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On May 29 2012 13:37 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 12:43 GTR wrote:
10) KTF coach's baseball bat incident.
KTF coach's nickname is "Bat Jung" There was talk before that the coach physically punished his players with a baseball bat when they lost. It was only a rumor until Garimto posted on the internet that the coach sometimes does this to help the players concentrate. Werid thing is the KTF coach never came to defend his position. This incident led to a whole series of fanpics and jokes like that KTF players get locked up in the basement if they loose and that if they won they get a 1 week "no-bat" prize That's....actually kind of fucked up.
In korean society, that was perfectly normal. Only recently (like in the past 3-4 years I think?) have there been stricter measures to stop such abuse by teachers and team coaches. Thank cell phone technology for that. Kids with cell phones started recording such beatings and uploading them to the internet. Nowadays there is debate on whether to give such authority figures freedom to continue such corporal punishment in some form or abolish it altogether. The answer might seem obvious to a westerner, but changing a long-standing tradition that is considered a form of discipline is not easy.
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Mr. Soo-Yeong's last answer had me pumping my fists like crazy. 
Thanks for the translations and GTR's links! It made me think, were there live streams of OSLs in 2003 and before?
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On May 29 2012 10:05 altered wrote:
IMO the one thing that made BW so amazing is the evolution it went trough. From Boxer to Flash there happened so much to the way BW is played. I remember when i first started regurarly watching pro BW (around 2007) one of the thoughts that really amazed me was: "wow, they are still playing BW and they have gotten that good". Another highlight as a casual BW player and regular BW spectator was when the Fantasy build got popular. The fact that after so many years and already established meta/standard game someone came up with such a fresh and exciting startegy (that worked) just reinforced my love for BW even more.
Now im not saying SC2 couldnt have such a evolution and become as great as BW too. The problem i have with SC2 is that i get the feeling that Blizzard has a idea of how SC2 should be played and they are patching according to it. So pros dont have that possibility to discover something new because if they did it would get patched.
One thing in this interview really hit the spot for me and that was when he said that BW was made by a foreign company (Blizzard ofc) but that the e-sport was created by us (South Koreans).
Players like Boxer, Oov, Savior, Bisu, Fantasy, Flash and many more have made BW so awesome because they reached skill levels that werent imaginable before or because they found ways to play that werent predicted by Blizzard.
Just imagine Blizzard would have controlled the way BW had to be played like they do with SC2, all the above mentioned players would be faceless.
I followed SC2 with passion in its first year or so and i remember there was a patch where Blizz nerfed thors and defended their decision with the argument that they dont want thors to be a massable unit. That was a huge turn off to me because suddendly i got the feeling that Blizz made the game for themselves and not for the community and esports.
This are reasons why i as a spectator cant really be passionate about SC2 for the pros and teams there is ofcourse also that element of uncertainty that comes with SC2 being released in episodes and being patched all the time. Would you want to make the very risky decision to give up school to become a pro in a game that will change totally in 2 years?
Another statement was "SC2 is not fun to watch". While i agree with posters before me who said that this is a subjective statement, there is still a little truth in it. Blizzard somehow got the idea that for a game to become a esport it needs to get rid of all randomness. This may be true to a certain degree (especially from the perspective of a skilled pro player) but from a spectators point of view this is false. Just think about reavers, that moment when the scarab starts to fly towards a clump of workers. There is so much tension in this moment when you dont know if it will do damage or not and its a important reason why people are excited about BW. In SC2 such moments dont really exist.
Its not a coincidence that football wich has a lot of randomness has much more viewers than chess. For outsiders (people who dont play the sport themselves) these random moments are what make them excited about the sport. When a underdog wins against Barca, during the penalty shootouts or when a ball touches the net in tennis and you dont know on wich side it lands these are the moments that let emotions come up and its what the casual viewers like the most.
Edit:
Dont misunderstand me, i dont hate SC2 or find it totally boring (i still love to watch MLG for example). But i kinda feel its still in beta and will be until legacy of the void is out.
You speak the truth I still have faith in humanity luckily all fans of sc2 do not just blindly follow it just for the sake that there is potential in the game of being "e-sport material" . See the problem is broodwar is only release in one package and balance was quicker to address and blizzard back than didn't mess up with user ability to create new strategy they were arbitrary in some areas for example dumbing down reaver however their patches were welcome .
Now sc2 fans and pro players have to wait for hots to learn everything again and LoTV which are two games that aren't the same when different units and changes are made to the game .
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I hope they bring back the imba units and retarded pathing.
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On May 29 2012 14:06 empty.bottle wrote:
I hope they bring back the imba units and retarded pathing.
Sc2 elitist will disagree with you on that changes .
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On May 29 2012 14:09 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 14:06 empty.bottle wrote:
I hope they bring back the imba units and retarded pathing. Sc2 elitist will disagree with you on that changes .
Yeah those Sc2 elitist are jerks... they like their fancy AI and balanced units.
We casuals need imba interesting units to have fun.
EDIT: The post from below has opened my eyes. I regret my previous statement.
My new statement will be: I hope they bring back the imba interesting units and retarded wild pathing.
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On May 29 2012 14:06 empty.bottle wrote:
I hope they bring back the imba units and retarded pathing.
Or just make the game interesting without artificially raising the difficulty.
I miss old Blizzard.
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On May 29 2012 13:45 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 13:37 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 12:43 GTR wrote:
10) KTF coach's baseball bat incident.
KTF coach's nickname is "Bat Jung" There was talk before that the coach physically punished his players with a baseball bat when they lost. It was only a rumor until Garimto posted on the internet that the coach sometimes does this to help the players concentrate. Werid thing is the KTF coach never came to defend his position. This incident led to a whole series of fanpics and jokes like that KTF players get locked up in the basement if they loose and that if they won they get a 1 week "no-bat" prize That's....actually kind of fucked up. In korean society, that was perfectly normal. Only recently (like in the past 3-4 years I think?) have there been stricter measures to stop such abuse by teachers and team coaches. Thank cell phone technology for that. Kids with cell phones started recording such beatings and uploading them to the internet. Nowadays there is debate on whether to give such authority figures freedom to continue such corporal punishment in some form or abolish it altogether. The answer might seem obvious to a westerner, but changing a long-standing tradition that is considered a form of discipline is not easy.
Beating children with a baseball bat because they lost in a video game is not a cultural value.
Stork wants a players union because the BW maps are half-assed, but the physical assault of players is cool? What the fuck?
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On May 29 2012 14:15 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 13:45 jpak wrote:On May 29 2012 13:37 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 12:43 GTR wrote:
10) KTF coach's baseball bat incident.
KTF coach's nickname is "Bat Jung" There was talk before that the coach physically punished his players with a baseball bat when they lost. It was only a rumor until Garimto posted on the internet that the coach sometimes does this to help the players concentrate. Werid thing is the KTF coach never came to defend his position. This incident led to a whole series of fanpics and jokes like that KTF players get locked up in the basement if they loose and that if they won they get a 1 week "no-bat" prize That's....actually kind of fucked up. In korean society, that was perfectly normal. Only recently (like in the past 3-4 years I think?) have there been stricter measures to stop such abuse by teachers and team coaches. Thank cell phone technology for that. Kids with cell phones started recording such beatings and uploading them to the internet. Nowadays there is debate on whether to give such authority figures freedom to continue such corporal punishment in some form or abolish it altogether. The answer might seem obvious to a westerner, but changing a long-standing tradition that is considered a form of discipline is not easy. Beating children with a baseball bat because they lost in a video game is not a cultural value. Stork wants a players union because the BW maps are half-assed, but the physical assault of players is cool? What the fuck?
this year osl maps were bad because apparently kespa do not give a damn about the bw scene any more when they refuse to invest time in creating new maps for the osl . I don't see where jpak says abusing players physically is cool however maybe it's a tradition thing where people bash people up to show discipline in korea .
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On May 29 2012 13:58 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 10:05 altered wrote:
IMO the one thing that made BW so amazing is the evolution it went trough. From Boxer to Flash there happened so much to the way BW is played. I remember when i first started regurarly watching pro BW (around 2007) one of the thoughts that really amazed me was: "wow, they are still playing BW and they have gotten that good". Another highlight as a casual BW player and regular BW spectator was when the Fantasy build got popular. The fact that after so many years and already established meta/standard game someone came up with such a fresh and exciting startegy (that worked) just reinforced my love for BW even more.
Now im not saying SC2 couldnt have such a evolution and become as great as BW too. The problem i have with SC2 is that i get the feeling that Blizzard has a idea of how SC2 should be played and they are patching according to it. So pros dont have that possibility to discover something new because if they did it would get patched.
One thing in this interview really hit the spot for me and that was when he said that BW was made by a foreign company (Blizzard ofc) but that the e-sport was created by us (South Koreans).
Players like Boxer, Oov, Savior, Bisu, Fantasy, Flash and many more have made BW so awesome because they reached skill levels that werent imaginable before or because they found ways to play that werent predicted by Blizzard.
Just imagine Blizzard would have controlled the way BW had to be played like they do with SC2, all the above mentioned players would be faceless.
I followed SC2 with passion in its first year or so and i remember there was a patch where Blizz nerfed thors and defended their decision with the argument that they dont want thors to be a massable unit. That was a huge turn off to me because suddendly i got the feeling that Blizz made the game for themselves and not for the community and esports.
This are reasons why i as a spectator cant really be passionate about SC2 for the pros and teams there is ofcourse also that element of uncertainty that comes with SC2 being released in episodes and being patched all the time. Would you want to make the very risky decision to give up school to become a pro in a game that will change totally in 2 years?
Another statement was "SC2 is not fun to watch". While i agree with posters before me who said that this is a subjective statement, there is still a little truth in it. Blizzard somehow got the idea that for a game to become a esport it needs to get rid of all randomness. This may be true to a certain degree (especially from the perspective of a skilled pro player) but from a spectators point of view this is false. Just think about reavers, that moment when the scarab starts to fly towards a clump of workers. There is so much tension in this moment when you dont know if it will do damage or not and its a important reason why people are excited about BW. In SC2 such moments dont really exist.
Its not a coincidence that football wich has a lot of randomness has much more viewers than chess. For outsiders (people who dont play the sport themselves) these random moments are what make them excited about the sport. When a underdog wins against Barca, during the penalty shootouts or when a ball touches the net in tennis and you dont know on wich side it lands these are the moments that let emotions come up and its what the casual viewers like the most.
Edit:
Dont misunderstand me, i dont hate SC2 or find it totally boring (i still love to watch MLG for example). But i kinda feel its still in beta and will be until legacy of the void is out. You speak the truth I still have faith in humanity luckily all fans of sc2 do not just blindly follow it just for the sake that there is potential in the game of being "e-sport material" . See the problem is broodwar is only release in one package and balance was quicker to address and blizzard back than didn't mess up with user ability to create new strategy they were arbitrary in some areas for example dumbing down reaver however their patches were welcome . Now sc2 fans and pro players have to wait for hots to learn everything again and LoTV which are two games that aren't the same when different units and changes are made to the game .
There are also many people who enjoy SC2 as of it's current state, or enjoy seeing how strategy being develop according to how balance patch are made too. So it's kinda depends on each person's opinion.
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On May 29 2012 14:37 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 13:58 Sawamura wrote:On May 29 2012 10:05 altered wrote:
IMO the one thing that made BW so amazing is the evolution it went trough. From Boxer to Flash there happened so much to the way BW is played. I remember when i first started regurarly watching pro BW (around 2007) one of the thoughts that really amazed me was: "wow, they are still playing BW and they have gotten that good". Another highlight as a casual BW player and regular BW spectator was when the Fantasy build got popular. The fact that after so many years and already established meta/standard game someone came up with such a fresh and exciting startegy (that worked) just reinforced my love for BW even more.
Now im not saying SC2 couldnt have such a evolution and become as great as BW too. The problem i have with SC2 is that i get the feeling that Blizzard has a idea of how SC2 should be played and they are patching according to it. So pros dont have that possibility to discover something new because if they did it would get patched.
One thing in this interview really hit the spot for me and that was when he said that BW was made by a foreign company (Blizzard ofc) but that the e-sport was created by us (South Koreans).
Players like Boxer, Oov, Savior, Bisu, Fantasy, Flash and many more have made BW so awesome because they reached skill levels that werent imaginable before or because they found ways to play that werent predicted by Blizzard.
Just imagine Blizzard would have controlled the way BW had to be played like they do with SC2, all the above mentioned players would be faceless.
I followed SC2 with passion in its first year or so and i remember there was a patch where Blizz nerfed thors and defended their decision with the argument that they dont want thors to be a massable unit. That was a huge turn off to me because suddendly i got the feeling that Blizz made the game for themselves and not for the community and esports.
This are reasons why i as a spectator cant really be passionate about SC2 for the pros and teams there is ofcourse also that element of uncertainty that comes with SC2 being released in episodes and being patched all the time. Would you want to make the very risky decision to give up school to become a pro in a game that will change totally in 2 years?
Another statement was "SC2 is not fun to watch". While i agree with posters before me who said that this is a subjective statement, there is still a little truth in it. Blizzard somehow got the idea that for a game to become a esport it needs to get rid of all randomness. This may be true to a certain degree (especially from the perspective of a skilled pro player) but from a spectators point of view this is false. Just think about reavers, that moment when the scarab starts to fly towards a clump of workers. There is so much tension in this moment when you dont know if it will do damage or not and its a important reason why people are excited about BW. In SC2 such moments dont really exist.
Its not a coincidence that football wich has a lot of randomness has much more viewers than chess. For outsiders (people who dont play the sport themselves) these random moments are what make them excited about the sport. When a underdog wins against Barca, during the penalty shootouts or when a ball touches the net in tennis and you dont know on wich side it lands these are the moments that let emotions come up and its what the casual viewers like the most.
Edit:
Dont misunderstand me, i dont hate SC2 or find it totally boring (i still love to watch MLG for example). But i kinda feel its still in beta and will be until legacy of the void is out. You speak the truth I still have faith in humanity luckily all fans of sc2 do not just blindly follow it just for the sake that there is potential in the game of being "e-sport material" . See the problem is broodwar is only release in one package and balance was quicker to address and blizzard back than didn't mess up with user ability to create new strategy they were arbitrary in some areas for example dumbing down reaver however their patches were welcome . Now sc2 fans and pro players have to wait for hots to learn everything again and LoTV which are two games that aren't the same when different units and changes are made to the game . There are also many people who enjoy SC2 as of it's current state, or enjoy seeing how strategy being develop according to how balance patch are made too. So it's kinda depends on each person's opinion.
Well you only have one game to enjoy which is sc2 so you have to deal with it or play other games .Luckily for me I can still play bw instead of forcing my self to play sc2 .
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On May 29 2012 14:25 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 14:15 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 13:45 jpak wrote:On May 29 2012 13:37 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 12:43 GTR wrote:
10) KTF coach's baseball bat incident.
KTF coach's nickname is "Bat Jung" There was talk before that the coach physically punished his players with a baseball bat when they lost. It was only a rumor until Garimto posted on the internet that the coach sometimes does this to help the players concentrate. Werid thing is the KTF coach never came to defend his position. This incident led to a whole series of fanpics and jokes like that KTF players get locked up in the basement if they loose and that if they won they get a 1 week "no-bat" prize That's....actually kind of fucked up. In korean society, that was perfectly normal. Only recently (like in the past 3-4 years I think?) have there been stricter measures to stop such abuse by teachers and team coaches. Thank cell phone technology for that. Kids with cell phones started recording such beatings and uploading them to the internet. Nowadays there is debate on whether to give such authority figures freedom to continue such corporal punishment in some form or abolish it altogether. The answer might seem obvious to a westerner, but changing a long-standing tradition that is considered a form of discipline is not easy. Beating children with a baseball bat because they lost in a video game is not a cultural value. Stork wants a players union because the BW maps are half-assed, but the physical assault of players is cool? What the fuck? this year osl maps were bad because apparently kespa do not give a damn about the bw scene any more when they refuse to invest time in creating new maps for the osl . I don't see where jpak says abusing players physically is cool however maybe it's a tradition thing where people bash people up to show discipline in korea .
Am I the crazy one here?
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On May 29 2012 14:45 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 14:25 Sawamura wrote:On May 29 2012 14:15 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 13:45 jpak wrote:On May 29 2012 13:37 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 12:43 GTR wrote:
10) KTF coach's baseball bat incident.
KTF coach's nickname is "Bat Jung" There was talk before that the coach physically punished his players with a baseball bat when they lost. It was only a rumor until Garimto posted on the internet that the coach sometimes does this to help the players concentrate. Werid thing is the KTF coach never came to defend his position. This incident led to a whole series of fanpics and jokes like that KTF players get locked up in the basement if they loose and that if they won they get a 1 week "no-bat" prize That's....actually kind of fucked up. In korean society, that was perfectly normal. Only recently (like in the past 3-4 years I think?) have there been stricter measures to stop such abuse by teachers and team coaches. Thank cell phone technology for that. Kids with cell phones started recording such beatings and uploading them to the internet. Nowadays there is debate on whether to give such authority figures freedom to continue such corporal punishment in some form or abolish it altogether. The answer might seem obvious to a westerner, but changing a long-standing tradition that is considered a form of discipline is not easy. Beating children with a baseball bat because they lost in a video game is not a cultural value. Stork wants a players union because the BW maps are half-assed, but the physical assault of players is cool? What the fuck? this year osl maps were bad because apparently kespa do not give a damn about the bw scene any more when they refuse to invest time in creating new maps for the osl . I don't see where jpak says abusing players physically is cool however maybe it's a tradition thing where people bash people up to show discipline in korea . Am I the crazy one here?
Make a campaign than and save the poor people who are getting abused physically because feeling great injustice on the internet isn't going to change anything.
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On May 29 2012 12:43 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +9) KTF coach incident.
This was when KTF was hosting the premere league thing and had like 8 of the 16 players from KTF. Each team's head coach was supposed to show up for a meeting but Daniel Lee of Hexatron couldn't make it and he sent Jinnam and Jinsoo instead. KTF coach got pissed because he thought he was being ignored and said to the brothers "I will make sure you will never again play in the premere league if you come out this way" Jinnam Jinsu got pissed and wrote about it on their homepage..and it was a big controversy because at that time there was talk about how the KTF coach manipulated the players who got into the league.
10) KTF coach's baseball bat incident.
KTF coach's nickname is "Bat Jung" There was talk before that the coach physically punished his players with a baseball bat when they lost. It was only a rumor until Garimto posted on the internet that the coach sometimes does this to help the players concentrate. Werid thing is the KTF coach never came to defend his position. This incident led to a whole series of fanpics and jokes like that KTF players get locked up in the basement if they loose and that if they won they get a 1 week "no-bat" prize
This is exactly what I remembered when I mentioned never liking him as a coach in the past, but I wasn't 100% sure I remembered the facts right so I didn't bring it up. As big as his name was and as much of a legacy as he has, in my opinion he was never really that great a coach, and he certainly didn't have the kind of values I would aspire towards. This interview gives some very interesting insight on his viewpoints, but I really hope people aren't looking to him as their champion on any of the issues he brought up.
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On May 29 2012 14:45 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 14:25 Sawamura wrote:On May 29 2012 14:15 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 13:45 jpak wrote:On May 29 2012 13:37 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 12:43 GTR wrote:
10) KTF coach's baseball bat incident.
KTF coach's nickname is "Bat Jung" There was talk before that the coach physically punished his players with a baseball bat when they lost. It was only a rumor until Garimto posted on the internet that the coach sometimes does this to help the players concentrate. Werid thing is the KTF coach never came to defend his position. This incident led to a whole series of fanpics and jokes like that KTF players get locked up in the basement if they loose and that if they won they get a 1 week "no-bat" prize That's....actually kind of fucked up. In korean society, that was perfectly normal. Only recently (like in the past 3-4 years I think?) have there been stricter measures to stop such abuse by teachers and team coaches. Thank cell phone technology for that. Kids with cell phones started recording such beatings and uploading them to the internet. Nowadays there is debate on whether to give such authority figures freedom to continue such corporal punishment in some form or abolish it altogether. The answer might seem obvious to a westerner, but changing a long-standing tradition that is considered a form of discipline is not easy. Beating children with a baseball bat because they lost in a video game is not a cultural value. Stork wants a players union because the BW maps are half-assed, but the physical assault of players is cool? What the fuck? this year osl maps were bad because apparently kespa do not give a damn about the bw scene any more when they refuse to invest time in creating new maps for the osl . I don't see where jpak says abusing players physically is cool however maybe it's a tradition thing where people bash people up to show discipline in korea . Am I the crazy one here?
You've not heard of corporal punishment lol? Rolling pins on your hands, kneeling in bird seeds, all manner of sticks and pink ass'.
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On May 29 2012 14:41 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 14:37 Veldril wrote:On May 29 2012 13:58 Sawamura wrote:On May 29 2012 10:05 altered wrote:
IMO the one thing that made BW so amazing is the evolution it went trough. From Boxer to Flash there happened so much to the way BW is played. I remember when i first started regurarly watching pro BW (around 2007) one of the thoughts that really amazed me was: "wow, they are still playing BW and they have gotten that good". Another highlight as a casual BW player and regular BW spectator was when the Fantasy build got popular. The fact that after so many years and already established meta/standard game someone came up with such a fresh and exciting startegy (that worked) just reinforced my love for BW even more.
Now im not saying SC2 couldnt have such a evolution and become as great as BW too. The problem i have with SC2 is that i get the feeling that Blizzard has a idea of how SC2 should be played and they are patching according to it. So pros dont have that possibility to discover something new because if they did it would get patched.
One thing in this interview really hit the spot for me and that was when he said that BW was made by a foreign company (Blizzard ofc) but that the e-sport was created by us (South Koreans).
Players like Boxer, Oov, Savior, Bisu, Fantasy, Flash and many more have made BW so awesome because they reached skill levels that werent imaginable before or because they found ways to play that werent predicted by Blizzard.
Just imagine Blizzard would have controlled the way BW had to be played like they do with SC2, all the above mentioned players would be faceless.
I followed SC2 with passion in its first year or so and i remember there was a patch where Blizz nerfed thors and defended their decision with the argument that they dont want thors to be a massable unit. That was a huge turn off to me because suddendly i got the feeling that Blizz made the game for themselves and not for the community and esports.
This are reasons why i as a spectator cant really be passionate about SC2 for the pros and teams there is ofcourse also that element of uncertainty that comes with SC2 being released in episodes and being patched all the time. Would you want to make the very risky decision to give up school to become a pro in a game that will change totally in 2 years?
Another statement was "SC2 is not fun to watch". While i agree with posters before me who said that this is a subjective statement, there is still a little truth in it. Blizzard somehow got the idea that for a game to become a esport it needs to get rid of all randomness. This may be true to a certain degree (especially from the perspective of a skilled pro player) but from a spectators point of view this is false. Just think about reavers, that moment when the scarab starts to fly towards a clump of workers. There is so much tension in this moment when you dont know if it will do damage or not and its a important reason why people are excited about BW. In SC2 such moments dont really exist.
Its not a coincidence that football wich has a lot of randomness has much more viewers than chess. For outsiders (people who dont play the sport themselves) these random moments are what make them excited about the sport. When a underdog wins against Barca, during the penalty shootouts or when a ball touches the net in tennis and you dont know on wich side it lands these are the moments that let emotions come up and its what the casual viewers like the most.
Edit:
Dont misunderstand me, i dont hate SC2 or find it totally boring (i still love to watch MLG for example). But i kinda feel its still in beta and will be until legacy of the void is out. You speak the truth I still have faith in humanity luckily all fans of sc2 do not just blindly follow it just for the sake that there is potential in the game of being "e-sport material" . See the problem is broodwar is only release in one package and balance was quicker to address and blizzard back than didn't mess up with user ability to create new strategy they were arbitrary in some areas for example dumbing down reaver however their patches were welcome . Now sc2 fans and pro players have to wait for hots to learn everything again and LoTV which are two games that aren't the same when different units and changes are made to the game . There are also many people who enjoy SC2 as of it's current state, or enjoy seeing how strategy being develop according to how balance patch are made too. So it's kinda depends on each person's opinion. Well you only have one game to enjoy which is sc2 so you have to deal with it or play other games .Luckily for me I can still play bw instead of forcing my self to play sc2 .
I also own BW too and play it from time to time. But I prefer to play SC2 more because I like faster combat pace. Although I have to admit that I prefer to watch SC more than play it. I don't have enough time to practice and playing on the ladder is really more stressful than relaxing 
On May 29 2012 14:47 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 14:45 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 14:25 Sawamura wrote:On May 29 2012 14:15 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 13:45 jpak wrote:On May 29 2012 13:37 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 12:43 GTR wrote:
10) KTF coach's baseball bat incident.
KTF coach's nickname is "Bat Jung" There was talk before that the coach physically punished his players with a baseball bat when they lost. It was only a rumor until Garimto posted on the internet that the coach sometimes does this to help the players concentrate. Werid thing is the KTF coach never came to defend his position. This incident led to a whole series of fanpics and jokes like that KTF players get locked up in the basement if they loose and that if they won they get a 1 week "no-bat" prize That's....actually kind of fucked up. In korean society, that was perfectly normal. Only recently (like in the past 3-4 years I think?) have there been stricter measures to stop such abuse by teachers and team coaches. Thank cell phone technology for that. Kids with cell phones started recording such beatings and uploading them to the internet. Nowadays there is debate on whether to give such authority figures freedom to continue such corporal punishment in some form or abolish it altogether. The answer might seem obvious to a westerner, but changing a long-standing tradition that is considered a form of discipline is not easy. Beating children with a baseball bat because they lost in a video game is not a cultural value. Stork wants a players union because the BW maps are half-assed, but the physical assault of players is cool? What the fuck? this year osl maps were bad because apparently kespa do not give a damn about the bw scene any more when they refuse to invest time in creating new maps for the osl . I don't see where jpak says abusing players physically is cool however maybe it's a tradition thing where people bash people up to show discipline in korea . Am I the crazy one here? Make a campaign than and save the poor people who are getting abused physically because feeling great injustice on the internet isn't going to change anything.
Also, it's in the past so there's no point trying to beating a dead horse right now.
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On May 29 2012 14:45 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2012 14:25 Sawamura wrote:On May 29 2012 14:15 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 13:45 jpak wrote:On May 29 2012 13:37 Ribbon wrote:On May 29 2012 12:43 GTR wrote:
10) KTF coach's baseball bat incident.
KTF coach's nickname is "Bat Jung" There was talk before that the coach physically punished his players with a baseball bat when they lost. It was only a rumor until Garimto posted on the internet that the coach sometimes does this to help the players concentrate. Werid thing is the KTF coach never came to defend his position. This incident led to a whole series of fanpics and jokes like that KTF players get locked up in the basement if they loose and that if they won they get a 1 week "no-bat" prize That's....actually kind of fucked up. In korean society, that was perfectly normal. Only recently (like in the past 3-4 years I think?) have there been stricter measures to stop such abuse by teachers and team coaches. Thank cell phone technology for that. Kids with cell phones started recording such beatings and uploading them to the internet. Nowadays there is debate on whether to give such authority figures freedom to continue such corporal punishment in some form or abolish it altogether. The answer might seem obvious to a westerner, but changing a long-standing tradition that is considered a form of discipline is not easy. Beating children with a baseball bat because they lost in a video game is not a cultural value. Stork wants a players union because the BW maps are half-assed, but the physical assault of players is cool? What the fuck? this year osl maps were bad because apparently kespa do not give a damn about the bw scene any more when they refuse to invest time in creating new maps for the osl . I don't see where jpak says abusing players physically is cool however maybe it's a tradition thing where people bash people up to show discipline in korea . Am I the crazy one here?
I'm not so sure about baseball bats but the general idea is that your parents believe that in some situations behaving a certain way is optimal so they discipline you hoping you would realise that or intimidate you into doing things a certain way until you know better. If you were some random kid they wouldn't care.
It seems to have worked in many cases(much more widespread than what westerners believe). I've never actually heard anyone resent thier parents as a result of this and act in a rebellious like american kids on TV (just an observation). Most just... knew better when they got older.
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Bat Jung~
Great interview.
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this guy knows what he is talking about so it should be spotlighted
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EPT
