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On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback.
imagine the organization you entrusted to for many years one day suddenly changed their method of dealing with things and started withdrawing liberty from you and your much younger junior colleagues. the youngsters suck it up by mindless following the instruction in fearing for consequences. then some of them just can't take the treatment any longer and decided to call it a quit. you, as an hyung (older brother) feels remorse that you can't possibly alter the outcomes even if you laid your hands out. now past bitter memories conjures up in your mind, rage burning but mostly at the fact that the perception of that organization is merely an illusion. yeah, that would bring the morale of many down.
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On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback.
Put yourself in his position stork is an amazing talented person if he didn't played bw he would have studied electrical engineering according to one of his interview he likes to tinker with electronic devices .Also you don't know the stress he is going through when you have to put your soul in to two games and expect to be good at both of them . Some will falter, Some will adapt, some will just immediately say screw this I am better working as a muscleman and carry heavy goods for hard labour.
The inception of player union will probably stop kespa from pushing our players from getting screwed all over just because business suit man one says "hmmm foreign scene has sc2 maybe we can try doing this to get more cash ? ". If what stork said is true and they didn't even bother to take into account pro gamers opinion and just force this idea of "hold the line for sc2 " than this is a total bull shit than any long standing proleague fan shouldn't be supporting it's movement.
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On May 23 2012 11:54 Jaevlaterran wrote:
Thank you stork. Create a players union, initiate a strike until the old format with bw only is back and then win all of it.
And then Team 8, who still doesn't have a sponsor, folds. Proleague is now down to seven teams and more players have to retire.
KESPA needed a change, but this hybrid format is awful. The splitting is only going to give the BW diehard fans bad Brood War games and give the SC2 international fans that the KESPA players are five levels below the players they've seen in the GSL for the past two years.
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On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback.
LOL, that's cause you don't understand what BW means to them, how could you?
How could I?
But this I know, Sc2 players play for the money. BW players play because they love what they do.
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I love Stork, so much respect for him!
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On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback.
I think he was at the meantime very happy for his 100th OSL victory. He already had tears in his eyes when doing the handprint, we could see he was very touched.
Then the interview translated in OP was right after the hand print if I remember correctly, so....
Anyway, still huge respect for talking about that issue, now that all the old timers are gone, Stork is the dean !
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On May 23 2012 12:55 empty.bottle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback. LOL, that's cause you don't understand what BW means to them, how could you? How could I? But this I know, Sc2 players play for the money. BW players play because they love what they do.
I don't think all SC2 players only play for the money. There are a lot of middle to low tier players that could go to other places and earn much more money. There are also high-tier players that play for the love of the game as well.
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On May 23 2012 12:55 empty.bottle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback. LOL, that's cause you don't understand what BW means to them, how could you? How could I? But this I know, Sc2 players play for the money. BW players play because they love what they do.
This is like a new low in delusional posts.
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I thought Kespa was supposed to help out players more than anything? I mean, whats the point of even having a Kespa if it isn't doing it's job. Why are players untouchable within Kespa, but don't get the best treatment? maybe someone could clarify but yeah I think this is BS and stork is doing a good thing here.
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On May 23 2012 13:02 emc wrote:
I thought Kespa was supposed to help out players more than anything? I mean, whats the point of even having a Kespa if it isn't doing it's job. Why are players untouchable within Kespa, but don't get the best treatment? maybe someone could clarify but yeah I think this is BS and stork is doing a good thing here.
Kespa = Korean E-Sport Association. It is a organization that focus completely on the managing of the scene and the interest of the partnership. Honestly after Kespa have been created, gamers have become less and less vocal. Remember Reach being forced to wear makeups? And more recently JangBi can't even wear his favorite clothing. That's is atrocious.
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On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback.
I think Koreans just tend to be a bit more melodramatic.
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On May 23 2012 13:07 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback. I think Koreans just tend to be a bit more melodramatic.
I don't know man, this is a game that these progamers poured hard work and passion to get to where they are now. And now for that to be taken away to transition into another game that does not guarantee the security of their jobs kinda blows. And it plain sucks.
It's like going to college and studying for 2 years as a musician because you love music so much then out of the blue your parents are like NO YOU CANT BE A MUSICIAN, YOU BECOME DOCTOR NOW and make you change your major to Medicine. That's bullshit.
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Yeah I wouldn't be upset either if my boss came up to one day and told me I had to drop the current career (which I loved) I'd been pursuing for the past 1/3 of my life in favor of a completely new one that I had no idea about, and that if I didn't I would lose my job.
It also wouldn't help either if he mentioned that I had to still simultaneously practice my old career, and that everyone expected me to be perfect at both of them.
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On May 23 2012 12:55 empty.bottle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback. LOL, that's cause you don't understand what BW means to them, how could you? How could I? But this I know, Sc2 players play for the money. BW players play because they love what they do.
Seriously, this is fucking retarded bullshit. Many players on korean sc2 teams don't even get a salary. Hundreds of people are attending the code A qualifiers because they dream to one day win a GSL, to go down into history. By saying that they "only play for the money" is fucking disrespectful for the ones that give it all just to have a shot at glory.
You just said "fuck you" to all the guys that are grinding their hearts out in team houses, or alone at home, just to fulfill their dream of being a progamer. There are so many people out there that don't just care for the money. Stop being freaking short sighted. Just because you hate SC2, you have no right to look down on the people that play it.
Fuck this, I can't belive I just wasted my 500th post on you.
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They probably take the risk of not getting a salary and practicing to win massive foreign tournaments that are held both at online & offline events. It's like bounty hunters, easy money though when vs foreigners. It can't be that bad when the opportunity to win money is so frequent (I swear, GSL like every month compared to OSL every three months, same thing with MLG, IPL, etc..WAAAAY too many events).
Trust me, the early days of Starcraft was way worse than it is now. --;
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On May 23 2012 13:47 RageCommodore wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 12:55 empty.bottle wrote:On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback. LOL, that's cause you don't understand what BW means to them, how could you? How could I? But this I know, Sc2 players play for the money. BW players play because they love what they do. Seriously, this is fucking retarded bullshit. Many players on korean sc2 teams don't even get a salary. Hundreds of people are attending the code A qualifiers because they dream to one day win a GSL, to go down into history. By saying that they "only play for the money" is fucking disrespectful for the ones that give it all just to have a shot at glory. You just said "fuck you" to all the guys that are grinding their hearts out in team houses, or alone at home, just to fulfill their dream of being a progamer. There are so many people out there that don't just care for the money. Stop being freaking short sighted. Just because you hate SC2, you have no right to look down on the people that play it. Fuck this, I can't belive I just wasted my 500th post on you.
Haha I can't take someone who cares about how many post he has seriously.
I don't think you should take me seriously neither, but there are a lot of examples of what I said, there's no need to argue about that since the post above this one resumes what I was trying to say.
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On May 23 2012 13:49 SlowBullets wrote:
They probably take the risk of not getting a salary and practicing to win massive foreign tournaments that are held both at online & offline events. It's like bounty hunters, easy money though when vs foreigners. It can't be that bad when the opportunity to win money is so frequent (I swear, GSL like every month compared to OSL every three months, same thing with MLG, IPL, etc..WAAAAY too many events).
Trust me, the early days of Starcraft was way worse than it is now. --;
GSL seasons last 2-3 months this year, I agree there were too many last year. Winning a title this year is far more prestigious.
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On May 23 2012 12:43 OopsOopsBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 11:46 sluggaslamoo wrote:On May 23 2012 10:22 Ribbon wrote:On May 23 2012 09:39 Xiphos wrote:On May 23 2012 09:35 Ribbon wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what Stork's grievance is. Does he want to go back to BW, skip this hybrid business and go straight to SC2, or just set up some kind of system for players who get lost in the transition? Is the transition the issue, the way the transition is happening, or just progamer life in general under KeSPA being pushed to a breaking point?
What exactly does he want this players association to do? Players have little to no control about the decisions of the corporate and are basically forced into what ever tasks presented to them. Stork says "enough is enough, let's take back what is ours." and we go "Hell, its about time!" About time for what, exactly? You can't stay on BW without cutting players because the scene is smaller. That is simply a fact. 2007 is not coming back. I'd love to hear a realistic proposal of what's actually the best thing for the players. The options are 1. Stay in BW, but go smaller 2. Switch to SC2 and pray for the best (Current plan) 3. Keep the hybrid proleague, but alternate ace match between BW and SC2, and remove the requirement for players to alternate (in effect, having a half-size BW league glued awkwardly to an SC2 league forever). That's really the only middle ground on the switch front Or is he talking about something tangentially related, like having a program to get BW players who wash out of the SC2 league a chance to go back to school and not be janitors for the rest of their lives? I'm just not sure he's talking about the switch itself, but that the switch hurts a lot of players and no one seems to care. This has nothing to do with BW to SC2 transition. The problem is Kespa hasn't given a shit about its players since its inception, and not showing the maps and the mixed format was the straw that broke the camels back for Stork. Players have no say in what happens in the leagues or the maps that make it into the pool, and have their hands tied by the stupid kespa progamer licenses. Kespa nearly killed BW when it conjured the "license to broadcast starcraft" from thin air, and then sold it back to OGN for a sum that nearly made them go broke. Kespa simply controls everything that happens without any player input, and any smallfry who talk back fear that they get their license revoked, which is why nobody has complained. Because Stork is such a high profile player, he used his 100 wins achievement to segway into making light of an issue that most progamers had feared to speak up about. read the article again.
pfffft lol, no you.
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On May 23 2012 13:30 SlowBullets wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 13:07 Bagi wrote:On May 23 2012 12:44 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback. I think Koreans just tend to be a bit more melodramatic. I don't know man, this is a game that these progamers poured hard work and passion to get to where they are now. And now for that to be taken away to transition into another game that does not guarantee the security of their jobs kinda blows. And it plain sucks. It's like going to college and studying for 2 years as a musician because you love music so much then out of the blue your parents are like NO YOU CANT BE A MUSICIAN, YOU BECOME DOCTOR NOW and make you change your major to Medicine. That's bullshit.
Stork is one of the more emotional guys, for sure. But as someone said earlier, his tears were mostly due to having won 100 games in the OSL and got his hand printed. So he was riding an emotional high going into the interview.
Also, he probably had a lot of frustrations that he couldn't voice until now. Remember, the switch happened in the offseason. Since then, Jangbi was interviewed for the PL match. And Stork lost his first OSL game. This was his interview since the switch, and first time he could finally voice his feelings to the public.
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