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If you derail this thread to argue about SC2 vs BW in any context other than that of the interview (e.g. saying things like "colosi suck" or "all BW fans are elitist jerks!"), I will ban you for at least a week, if not more. This is your only warning. I added this page 17

You have been warned
~GMarshal
Sprouter
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1724 Posts
May 23 2012 02:47 GMT
#141
it would be really interesting to see an esports players union, i hope it happens. gogo stork
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
May 23 2012 02:47 GMT
#142
A player's union isn't going to save Brood War. Maybe if it was formed a year ago it could have made the transition a little better for the players. What Stork says is true, if players don't learn Sc2 fast their careers are over. I don't want that to be true but there's no reason to expect anything different.
ellerina
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines452 Posts
May 23 2012 02:49 GMT
#143
It might be too late for BW, but I'm glad someone spoke up about this (and it being someone I'm a fan of is just icing on the cake). There were hints in the coaches interview (one of January's comments) that the players/coaches were not consulted with regarding the specifics of the transition, (or possibly even the transition itself), and it's nice to see confirmation. Putting aside the whole BW vs. SC2 thing, it's outrageous that a change as big as this was just handed down to those who are primarily involved instead of coming up with the best possible situation with input from all sides.

I can't imagine the stress they're all going through with having to practice for 2 different games. The continuation of all the hard work they put in for the past how many years now depends on how fast they can transition to a new game in a few months, which would be fine normally I guess, except they can't even put 100% into the transition and practice because of the format. Or they could put 100% in at the expense of the quality of the BW games they show their fans, and which they played with so high quality before. It all must be very frustrating.
Still round the corner there may wait , A new road or a secret gate /And though I oft have passed them by, A day will come at last when I /Shall take the hidden paths that run/West of the Moon, East of the Sun
Jaevlaterran
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden578 Posts
May 23 2012 02:54 GMT
#144
Thank you stork. Create a players union, initiate a strike until the old format with bw only is back and then win all of it.
Need a light?
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 23 2012 03:02 GMT
#145
stork.. awesomeness just went up 10000x.
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
May 23 2012 03:09 GMT
#146
What a mature guy.
Nemesis
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2568 Posts
May 23 2012 03:16 GMT
#147
Mad respect to stork!
Lee Young Ho fighting! KT P are just CHINTOSSTIC.
MicrowaveMess
Profile Joined May 2012
United States42 Posts
May 23 2012 03:17 GMT
#148
I stayed up all night to watch Stork get his 100th Win

Thank you for the translation.
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
May 23 2012 03:18 GMT
#149
dear stork, don't just say it ... make it happen !
starleague forever
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
May 23 2012 03:27 GMT
#150
Thinking about it, it's pretty scary how little Kespa cares for its most important assets. I mean, what separates Kespa from current SC2 teams and associations? It's their collection of what most believe to be the best collection of RTS talent in the entire world. So you'd think that Kespa would want their talented players to want to stay around after the SC2 transition, to have them happily slave away for 10+hrs/day on the computer practicing. But instead they've managed to make every single player become depressed. Most of the post-game interviews have been about how players are struggling mentally and physically. How do you expect to compete with the current SC2 industry if your players are all nervous wrecks?

Fostering communication and care between company and workers is always important for the health of everyone involved. And in this aspect Kespa could prove to be a huge failure, if current BW progamers fail to play up to their potential due to this fucked up transition.
Meh
zawk9
Profile Joined March 2011
United States427 Posts
May 23 2012 03:29 GMT
#151
Maybe Stork (or someone following in his footsteps?) can be the Curt Flood in Kespa's side? A shame players still have to deal with having their concerns be completely ignored in an entertainment business that depends on them as much as this.

Make it happen someday!
there's a bug in the new patch where the other player keeps killing all my dudes.. please nerf this
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
May 23 2012 03:30 GMT
#152
STORKUU

We need someone to be a beacon for pro-gamers. Glad to see Stork not afraid to speak his mind and telling it like it is.
Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
May 23 2012 03:32 GMT
#153
I don't know why crying to reporters at this point is somehow worthy of praise. As a player who was on top of the game he kept quiet when others got stepped on. Now that he sees that even people at the top are disposable he starts crying.

There is no more professional BW league left, what you're hearing is the wallowing of a dying man.

Maybe it is unjust, maybe he was more fortunate than he could reasonably expect. All I know is that I rather had heard from him that he would conquer SC2 or retire to find some other occupation.
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CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 23 2012 03:34 GMT
#154
The fans like this. We are player fans. We are NOT Kespa fans.

Fuckya Stork hwaiting!
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
May 23 2012 03:35 GMT
#155
STORK ANGRY. HE SMASH.
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
May 23 2012 03:36 GMT
#156
So much respect gained for Stork
In the woods, there lurks..
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
May 23 2012 03:36 GMT
#157
Stork, from Dinotoss to Trotskytoss.
ॐ
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
May 23 2012 03:43 GMT
#158
On May 23 2012 11:46 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 10:22 Ribbon wrote:
On May 23 2012 09:39 Xiphos wrote:
On May 23 2012 09:35 Ribbon wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what Stork's grievance is. Does he want to go back to BW, skip this hybrid business and go straight to SC2, or just set up some kind of system for players who get lost in the transition? Is the transition the issue, the way the transition is happening, or just progamer life in general under KeSPA being pushed to a breaking point?

What exactly does he want this players association to do?


Players have little to no control about the decisions of the corporate and are basically forced into what ever tasks presented to them. Stork says "enough is enough, let's take back what is ours."

and we go "Hell, its about time!"


About time for what, exactly? You can't stay on BW without cutting players because the scene is smaller. That is simply a fact. 2007 is not coming back. I'd love to hear a realistic proposal of what's actually the best thing for the players. The options are

1. Stay in BW, but go smaller

2. Switch to SC2 and pray for the best (Current plan)

3. Keep the hybrid proleague, but alternate ace match between BW and SC2, and remove the requirement for players to alternate (in effect, having a half-size BW league glued awkwardly to an SC2 league forever). That's really the only middle ground on the switch front

Or is he talking about something tangentially related, like having a program to get BW players who wash out of the SC2 league a chance to go back to school and not be janitors for the rest of their lives?

I'm just not sure he's talking about the switch itself, but that the switch hurts a lot of players and no one seems to care.


This has nothing to do with BW to SC2 transition.

The problem is Kespa hasn't given a shit about its players since its inception, and not showing the maps and the mixed format was the straw that broke the camels back for Stork. Players have no say in what happens in the leagues or the maps that make it into the pool, and have their hands tied by the stupid kespa progamer licenses. Kespa nearly killed BW when it conjured the "license to broadcast starcraft" from thin air, and then sold it back to OGN for a sum that nearly made them go broke.

Kespa simply controls everything that happens without any player input, and any smallfry who talk back fear that they get their license revoked, which is why nobody has complained. Because Stork is such a high profile player, he used his 100 wins achievement to segway into making light of an issue that most progamers had feared to speak up about.

read the article again.

When we were only playing BW, Kespa would first initiate a map test but for this Starleague, the players were only given the final version of the maps the day before the opening.


stork talks about kespa stop giving a shit about bw matters in this case releasing of maps is the example.

This season's BW maps are an example, if you look at the vast majority of the things Kespa has done, the players' opinions have not once been taken into account. It might not matter to players who earn a lot of money but as a whole, if the top players and middle ranking players don't do well at SC2, it is the end for them.


stork talks about kespa forcing sc2 onto them without getting their opinions.

it is unfortunate but the context is bw to sc2 transition.
s3x2-2 xiao3x2+2 bone3+2+2
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
May 23 2012 03:44 GMT
#159
Huh. I wonder what made him so stressed he was crying? Sure, the stuff he outlined was very bad, but I don't think it's bad enough to bring tears to his eyes, especially in an interview that was going to the public. Maybe there's a bit more than just issues with player feedback.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Zariel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1285 Posts
May 23 2012 03:44 GMT
#160
Stork is the true baller of progamers.
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