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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 03:21:53
May 10 2012 03:13 GMT
#261
On May 10 2012 11:48 Demonhunter04 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:45 Gofarman wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:37 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:34 carloselcoco wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:30 Ribbon wrote:
Ladder Antiga? Antiga is an enh map, especially the ladder version. But I sincerely hope they're disallowing horizontal spawns.

Ohana and Cloud Kingdom, good maps (made by ICCUP, in fact). Entombed is a Blizzard map, but it's one of their good ones, despite looking kinda ugly.

Noteworthy: No GSL-made maps in OGN proleague. Hmmmm....


They were not made by ICCUP dude...

Also, WTF!!!!!!! No Daybreak?!?!?!?!


They were, actually. Once they lost their sponsors, the iCCup mapmaking team renamed themselves to ESV.


Lost their sponsors? The map making team was never supported by ICCUP in anything but reputation, the same with ICCUPtv. (Which never even saw any of its own ad revenue).

I would say they are much better supported as ESV then they ever were under the ICCUP banner;
Twitch.tv, TTeSports.

And while the Map making teams are very similar (still led by prodiG <3) They have picked up some very talented people in the last year, korean and foreigner alike.


I remember them saying they were sponsored by someone, but lost their sponsorship and chose to rename themselves. Ask Diamond if you really want to know, he posts here quite a lot.



I don't know how this got here, but just so the thread can move along.

ESV was originally formed under iCCup. After something like I think 13 months with 0 financial support (well they did buy one program one time), next to no promotional support, and a community that actively HATED SC2, we left and formed ESV.

I own ESV TV (and the ESV Mapmaking Team) and moving away from iCCup was the single greatest move I made for our company. No more red tape from people that don't understand broadcasting or SC2, and also now I actually own the company I run, where before iCCup was a majority owner despite offering us nothing or having any interaction with iCCup TV at all.

Hope that clears that up so the BW vs. SC2 debate can continue !

Edit: Here's the link about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255646
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 10 2012 03:13 GMT
#262
On May 10 2012 12:12 slappy wrote:
i hate to be a jerk, but I hope it fails miserabley and they go back to BW


It'll never go back to BW unless they attract foreign BW fans. The options are SC2 or nothing.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
May 10 2012 03:13 GMT
#263
omfggg finally good news about this league :D
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
May 10 2012 03:13 GMT
#264
On May 10 2012 12:07 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 12:07 a9arnn wrote:
On May 10 2012 12:01 amazingxkcd wrote:
Lee Jae Gyun (Stars): Like STX, there are rumors that we are the best [at sc2] and they are true. We gave up our team workshop and prepared a lot, so there won't be any elimination based on points. We will win the championship through pure skill. Keep an eye on us.


STARS FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!


DAT CONFIDENCE! Hell yeah!


SOULKEY AND ZERO SC2 BONJWA TIME!!!

Edit: I just realized that SC2 TvP is Bio-oriented.

Show nested quote +
Light (Stars): Because of hybrid sc1/2 it will be a tough season, but if we will all try hard and achieve good results. There won't be any missing out on the post-season because of points.


Light, you are our Terran savior now!


Woongjin Terrans thrive in SC2 apparently (MVP and Supernova ), so this'll be ezpz for the Stars!
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Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
May 10 2012 03:14 GMT
#265
On May 10 2012 12:13 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:48 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:45 Gofarman wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:37 Demonhunter04 wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:34 carloselcoco wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:30 Ribbon wrote:
Ladder Antiga? Antiga is an enh map, especially the ladder version. But I sincerely hope they're disallowing horizontal spawns.

Ohana and Cloud Kingdom, good maps (made by ICCUP, in fact). Entombed is a Blizzard map, but it's one of their good ones, despite looking kinda ugly.

Noteworthy: No GSL-made maps in OGN proleague. Hmmmm....


They were not made by ICCUP dude...

Also, WTF!!!!!!! No Daybreak?!?!?!?!


They were, actually. Once they lost their sponsors, the iCCup mapmaking team renamed themselves to ESV.


Lost their sponsors? The map making team was never supported by ICCUP in anything but reputation, the same with ICCUPtv. (Which never even saw any of its own ad revenue).

I would say they are much better supported as ESV then they ever were under the ICCUP banner;
Twitch.tv, TTeSports.

And while the Map making teams are very similar (still led by prodiG <3) They have picked up some very talented people in the last year, korean and foreigner alike.


I remember them saying they were sponsored by someone, but lost their sponsorship and chose to rename themselves. Ask Diamond if you really want to know, he posts here quite a lot.



I don't know how this got here, but just so the thread can move along.

ESV was originally formed under iCCup. After something like I think 13 months with 0 financial support (well they did buy one program one time), next to no promotional support, and a community that actively HATED SC2, we left and formed ESV.

I own ESV TV and moving away from iCCup was the single greatest move I made for our company. No more red tape from people that don't understand broadcasting, and also no more not owning a company I run without any support from iCCup.

Hope that clears that up so the BW vs. SC2 debate can continue !

Edit: Here's the link about it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255646


Ah, thanks.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
May 10 2012 03:14 GMT
#266
On May 10 2012 12:11 ShadeR wrote:
@Ribbon
I think we actually take the mechanics as a given, with exceptions best macro flash barracks. What we actually love about BW is this.... God of the Battlefield


Dude that article was....just reading it made me feel the chills.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
May 10 2012 03:14 GMT
#267
On May 10 2012 12:13 Ribbon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 12:12 slappy wrote:
i hate to be a jerk, but I hope it fails miserabley and they go back to BW


It'll never go back to BW unless they attract foreign BW fans. The options are SC2 or nothing.


they have recognized TL lately, we're a pretty decent sized foreign audience
jaedong imba
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 10 2012 03:15 GMT
#268
On May 10 2012 12:13 a9arnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 12:07 amazingxkcd wrote:
On May 10 2012 12:07 a9arnn wrote:
On May 10 2012 12:01 amazingxkcd wrote:
Lee Jae Gyun (Stars): Like STX, there are rumors that we are the best [at sc2] and they are true. We gave up our team workshop and prepared a lot, so there won't be any elimination based on points. We will win the championship through pure skill. Keep an eye on us.


STARS FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!


DAT CONFIDENCE! Hell yeah!


SOULKEY AND ZERO SC2 BONJWA TIME!!!

Edit: I just realized that SC2 TvP is Bio-oriented.

Light (Stars): Because of hybrid sc1/2 it will be a tough season, but if we will all try hard and achieve good results. There won't be any missing out on the post-season because of points.


Light, you are our Terran savior now!


Woongjin Terrans thrive in SC2 apparently (MVP and Supernova ), so this'll be ezpz for the Stars!


Bio is easy in SC2, right guys? right?
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
May 10 2012 03:15 GMT
#269
On May 10 2012 12:14 slappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 12:13 Ribbon wrote:
On May 10 2012 12:12 slappy wrote:
i hate to be a jerk, but I hope it fails miserabley and they go back to BW


It'll never go back to BW unless they attract foreign BW fans. The options are SC2 or nothing.


they have recognized TL lately, we're a pretty decent sized foreign audience


Not the BW section. If they converted a lot of SC2 fans to BW, then maybe.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
May 10 2012 03:16 GMT
#270
On May 10 2012 12:14 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 12:11 ShadeR wrote:
@Ribbon
I think we actually take the mechanics as a given, with exceptions best macro flash barracks. What we actually love about BW is this.... God of the Battlefield


Dude that article was....just reading it made me feel the chills.


you know its been almost an year since that article was written...
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
May 10 2012 03:16 GMT
#271
This is messed up, but I guess it was always going to be messed up right from the beginning with the idea of having both games in the league...The only bright side being I don't have to wait to watch BW. I can't believe they chose SC2 as the ace match...
Really disappointed.

I guess this is one of the last few chances I'll give SC2 a fair shot, if BW progamers can't make this game exciting to watch and make me feel like playing it, nothing will.

On May 10 2012 11:39 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:37 Grampz wrote:
Every single BW / SC2 thread is the greatest shit storm since BP oil spill

Imagine what the LR-threads will be like. XD

It's been talked about before, I think the solution was to have separate LR threads to stem the BW vs SC2 stuff. So people who like whichever game better should stay on their side. Don't know if that's still a go or not.
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 03:16:49
May 10 2012 03:16 GMT
#272
Is it over now? The media day? Or are there more news incoming?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
May 10 2012 03:17 GMT
#273
On May 10 2012 12:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 12:14 Zergneedsfood wrote:
On May 10 2012 12:11 ShadeR wrote:
@Ribbon
I think we actually take the mechanics as a given, with exceptions best macro flash barracks. What we actually love about BW is this.... God of the Battlefield


Dude that article was....just reading it made me feel the chills.


you know its been almost an year since that article was written...


Even longer, but I know what you mean. Ver withheld it because of the scandal.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
May 10 2012 03:17 GMT
#274
On May 10 2012 11:37 cam connor wrote:
I'm shocked the ace match is sc2
There's no question in my mind that it should be bw


This is my opinion as well.
iu, seungah, yura, taeyeon, hyosung, lizzy, suji, sojin, jia, ji eun, eunji, soya, younha, jiyeon, fiestar, sinb, jung myung hoon godtier. BW FOREVERR
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 10 2012 03:17 GMT
#275
On May 10 2012 12:16 Holgerius wrote:
Is it over now? The media day? Or are there more news incoming?


most likely, i don't know what else they would have to say.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
Elegance
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada917 Posts
May 10 2012 03:17 GMT
#276
On May 10 2012 12:14 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 12:11 ShadeR wrote:
@Ribbon
I think we actually take the mechanics as a given, with exceptions best macro flash barracks. What we actually love about BW is this.... God of the Battlefield


Dude that article was....just reading it made me feel the chills.

yeah holy crap.
Power of Ze
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
May 10 2012 03:18 GMT
#277
Flash (Rolster): I've become immersed in SC2 and play the game until 3-4 in the morning. It feels like when I first played SC1. I'll work hard so I can show everyone better games.


this is just so good to hear. So excited for this omfgggg.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
May 10 2012 03:19 GMT
#278
On May 10 2012 12:12 jidolboy wrote:
Let's be optimist guys.
At least they didnt alternate into BW-SC2-BW-SC2-BW-SC2 sets. Some of us can just stop watching when set 3 ends <3

Not only that, it also solves the LR thread problems. Remember when MBC was still around()? 2 games run simultaneously and when one is done, everyone from the finished match's lr thread will go to the other. We can have two LR threads on different forums but BW games will be LRed in the LR thread in the BW section and after that, others will call it a day, while some will go to the SC2 section LR thread where the rest of the games are LRed. Results should be updated in both threads.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
May 10 2012 03:19 GMT
#279
On May 10 2012 12:16 Hyde wrote:
This is messed up, but I guess it was always going to be messed up right from the beginning with the idea of having both games in the league...The only bright side being I don't have to wait to watch BW. I can't believe they chose SC2 as the ace match...
Really disappointed.

I guess this is one of the last few chances I'll give SC2 a fair shot, if BW progamers can't make this game exciting to watch and make me feel like playing it, nothing will.

Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 11:39 Holgerius wrote:
On May 10 2012 11:37 Grampz wrote:
Every single BW / SC2 thread is the greatest shit storm since BP oil spill

Imagine what the LR-threads will be like. XD

It's been talked about before, I think the solution was to have separate LR threads to stem the BW vs SC2 stuff. So people who like whichever game better should stay on their side. Don't know if that's still a go or not.


uhhh I thought since it was still BW teams all of it would be in the BW forums..
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
May 10 2012 03:20 GMT
#280
Flash: In my heart, I'd love to catch up in three months, but realistically I think it will take a year. If I want to reach my SC1 level of skill, I think it will take 2~3 years.


God mode in 3 months, tops
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
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