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Let's try to fix funding:
Poll: How much would you donate for a foreigner run tournament?10$ (18) 49% 20$ (9) 24% 50$+ (9) 24% 50$ (1) 3% 37 total votes Your vote: How much would you donate for a foreigner run tournament? (Vote): 10$
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I think a really good thing, would be that someone creates an official international ranking system,
Like was Kespa ranking.
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I will be frank here and say that I admire you trying to start up the scene with more projects for funding tournaments like ISL(although they should call it FSL because only foreigners only play in the tournament ) and also Noise ASL .However we must know that broodwar has long gone it's expiry date . Sure some people may pick up the game out of curiosity and than play it and after that drop the game and play other more shiny and more appealing games out there with healthy communities.
Bw is at it's last leg while I am typing this Iccup once a prominent server for foreigners and koreans to enjoy bashing each other with their superior skill is currently at 560 + players in the server . What does that number tell you ? Interest in the game is dwindling and the lack of new blood flowing in the scene is already enough to kill the scene even though one of you guys will keep continue playing the game it's really a futile effort .
The koreans are a well develop e-sport country where playing games actually can benefit you momentarily if you make it big or make it a chance for you to work in one of the respected company that has sponsored you for years . As seen previously in Xellos retirement to become one of CJ work force in the company . Inviting koreans over to compete with us, first what level is the current foreigners right now are we as good as the long standing korean clans like n.die,shield,by and etc ?
If we can't satisfy a simple basics requirements like this to peek interest from the korean communities, the project will fail immediately and if you want a revival for broodwar right now the best chance we ever had was proleague it self .It's the number one source of inspiration out there for all of us broodwar fans, the lightning effects, korean commentators using their WPM to their best, professional broodwar players putting in their soul to the game so we viewers can enjoy it .
If broodwar proleague goes down everything will go down. I know I am being pessimistic over the situation at hand because I fail to see any other lasting communities without there being a professional scene for it . Cs 1.6 is still being played because professional players are still playing the game but the numbers are smaller, Quake 3 is literally dead and no longer is active except Quake Live where pro players are still playing the game . I submit that bw proleague is the very core of our community and it going down is going to make our numbers grow smaller into nothing .
However this isn't the only problem we are facing right now I urge players who are still willing to play broodwar to try out games out there in your respectively country which are growing right now . If Dota 2 is huge in your country than go for it, If Sc2 is having lots of tournament in your designated country you have to play the game and give your shot and making big out of thriving community . My respective views that to grasp the opportunity at hand when there is still available it's actually quite justifiable in the long run we may prefer one game over the other but that's merely our preference .
Until company developers actually stop molesting their franchise with inferior sequels that actually will make us oldies proud .I see there is no end to starcraft 3,4,5,6 and it's expansion to come out the next year and the word e-sports still being used to promote it's product . I am not saying we should give it all up and not support the remaining scene and I don't want to be called some sort of a leech who does nothing but reap the benefit of the resources and enjoyment that the broodwar scene has been giving us all the time .
This is probably one of the few remaining years to actually watch bw at it's glorious level although quite sub par compared to it's previous years if compared and we should enjoy while it still remains .
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On April 29 2012 00:01 Sawamura wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I will be frank here and say that I admire you trying to start up the scene with more projects for funding tournaments like ISL(although they should call it FSL because only foreigners only play in the tournament ) and also Noise ASL .However we must know that broodwar has long gone it's expiry date . Sure some people may pick up the game out of curiosity and than play it and after that drop the game and play other more shiny and more appealing games out there with healthy communities.
Bw is at it's last leg while I am typing this Iccup once a prominent server for foreigners and koreans to enjoy bashing each other with their superior skill is currently at 560 + players in the server . What does that number tell you ? Interest in the game is dwindling and the lack of new blood flowing in the scene is already enough to kill the scene even though one of you guys will keep continue playing the game it's really a futile effort .
The koreans are a well develop e-sport country where playing games actually can benefit you momentarily if you make it big or make it a chance for you to work in one of the respected company that has sponsored you for years . As seen previously in Xellos retirement to become one of CJ work force in the company . Inviting koreans over to compete with us, first what level is the current foreigners right now are we as good as the long standing korean clans like n.die,shield,by and etc ?
If we can't satisfy a simple basics requirements like this to peek interest from the korean communities, the project will fail immediately and if you want a revival for broodwar right now the best chance we ever had was proleague it self .It's the number one source of inspiration out there for all of us broodwar fans, the lightning effects, korean commentators using their WPM to their best, professional broodwar players putting in their soul to the game so we viewers can enjoy it .
If broodwar proleague goes down everything will go down. I know I am being pessimistic over the situation at hand because I fail to see any other lasting communities without there being a professional scene for it . Cs 1.6 is still being played because professional players are still playing the game but the numbers are smaller, Quake 3 is literally dead and no longer is active except Quake Live where pro players are still playing the game . I submit that bw proleague is the very core of our community and it going down is going to make our numbers grow smaller into nothing .
However this isn't the only problem we are facing right now I urge players who are still willing to play broodwar to try out games out there in your respectively country which are growing right now . If Dota 2 is huge in your country than go for it, If Sc2 is having lots of tournament in your designated country you have to play the game and give your shot and making big out of thriving community . My respective views that to grasp the opportunity at hand when there is still available it's actually quite justifiable in the long run we may prefer one game over the other but that's merely our preference .
Until company developers actually stop molesting their franchise with inferior sequels that actually will make us oldies proud .I see there is no end to starcraft 3,4,5,6 and it's expansion to come out the next year and the word e-sports still being used to promote it's product . I am not saying we should give it all up and not support the remaining scene and I don't want to be called some sort of a leech who does nothing but reap the benefit of the resources and enjoyment that the broodwar scene has been giving us all the time .
This is probably one of the few remaining years to actually watch bw at it's glorious level although quite sub par compared to it's previous years if compared and we should enjoy while it still remains .
I don't understand why people care about "esports". Just play the game you love. If you just wanna see esports grow go play LoL. No one is trying revive bw here, but just keep it going as long as possible.
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Some really good ideas here. Personally, I have problems watching twitchtv streams so I might or might not be able to tune in much but I think many other people would be interested in watching Korean ex-pros in a community organized tournament, if it's run & hyped up properly. 
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On April 29 2012 00:56 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 00:01 Sawamura wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I will be frank here and say that I admire you trying to start up the scene with more projects for funding tournaments like ISL(although they should call it FSL because only foreigners only play in the tournament ) and also Noise ASL .However we must know that broodwar has long gone it's expiry date . Sure some people may pick up the game out of curiosity and than play it and after that drop the game and play other more shiny and more appealing games out there with healthy communities.
Bw is at it's last leg while I am typing this Iccup once a prominent server for foreigners and koreans to enjoy bashing each other with their superior skill is currently at 560 + players in the server . What does that number tell you ? Interest in the game is dwindling and the lack of new blood flowing in the scene is already enough to kill the scene even though one of you guys will keep continue playing the game it's really a futile effort .
The koreans are a well develop e-sport country where playing games actually can benefit you momentarily if you make it big or make it a chance for you to work in one of the respected company that has sponsored you for years . As seen previously in Xellos retirement to become one of CJ work force in the company . Inviting koreans over to compete with us, first what level is the current foreigners right now are we as good as the long standing korean clans like n.die,shield,by and etc ?
If we can't satisfy a simple basics requirements like this to peek interest from the korean communities, the project will fail immediately and if you want a revival for broodwar right now the best chance we ever had was proleague it self .It's the number one source of inspiration out there for all of us broodwar fans, the lightning effects, korean commentators using their WPM to their best, professional broodwar players putting in their soul to the game so we viewers can enjoy it .
If broodwar proleague goes down everything will go down. I know I am being pessimistic over the situation at hand because I fail to see any other lasting communities without there being a professional scene for it . Cs 1.6 is still being played because professional players are still playing the game but the numbers are smaller, Quake 3 is literally dead and no longer is active except Quake Live where pro players are still playing the game . I submit that bw proleague is the very core of our community and it going down is going to make our numbers grow smaller into nothing .
However this isn't the only problem we are facing right now I urge players who are still willing to play broodwar to try out games out there in your respectively country which are growing right now . If Dota 2 is huge in your country than go for it, If Sc2 is having lots of tournament in your designated country you have to play the game and give your shot and making big out of thriving community . My respective views that to grasp the opportunity at hand when there is still available it's actually quite justifiable in the long run we may prefer one game over the other but that's merely our preference .
Until company developers actually stop molesting their franchise with inferior sequels that actually will make us oldies proud .I see there is no end to starcraft 3,4,5,6 and it's expansion to come out the next year and the word e-sports still being used to promote it's product . I am not saying we should give it all up and not support the remaining scene and I don't want to be called some sort of a leech who does nothing but reap the benefit of the resources and enjoyment that the broodwar scene has been giving us all the time .
This is probably one of the few remaining years to actually watch bw at it's glorious level although quite sub par compared to it's previous years if compared and we should enjoy while it still remains . I don't understand why people care about "esports". Just play the game you love. If you just wanna see esports grow go play LoL. No one is trying revive bw here, but just keep it going as long as possible.
No where did I state about reviving bw in my statement...
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On April 29 2012 01:03 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 00:56 L3gendary wrote:On April 29 2012 00:01 Sawamura wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I will be frank here and say that I admire you trying to start up the scene with more projects for funding tournaments like ISL(although they should call it FSL because only foreigners only play in the tournament ) and also Noise ASL .However we must know that broodwar has long gone it's expiry date . Sure some people may pick up the game out of curiosity and than play it and after that drop the game and play other more shiny and more appealing games out there with healthy communities.
Bw is at it's last leg while I am typing this Iccup once a prominent server for foreigners and koreans to enjoy bashing each other with their superior skill is currently at 560 + players in the server . What does that number tell you ? Interest in the game is dwindling and the lack of new blood flowing in the scene is already enough to kill the scene even though one of you guys will keep continue playing the game it's really a futile effort .
The koreans are a well develop e-sport country where playing games actually can benefit you momentarily if you make it big or make it a chance for you to work in one of the respected company that has sponsored you for years . As seen previously in Xellos retirement to become one of CJ work force in the company . Inviting koreans over to compete with us, first what level is the current foreigners right now are we as good as the long standing korean clans like n.die,shield,by and etc ?
If we can't satisfy a simple basics requirements like this to peek interest from the korean communities, the project will fail immediately and if you want a revival for broodwar right now the best chance we ever had was proleague it self .It's the number one source of inspiration out there for all of us broodwar fans, the lightning effects, korean commentators using their WPM to their best, professional broodwar players putting in their soul to the game so we viewers can enjoy it .
If broodwar proleague goes down everything will go down. I know I am being pessimistic over the situation at hand because I fail to see any other lasting communities without there being a professional scene for it . Cs 1.6 is still being played because professional players are still playing the game but the numbers are smaller, Quake 3 is literally dead and no longer is active except Quake Live where pro players are still playing the game . I submit that bw proleague is the very core of our community and it going down is going to make our numbers grow smaller into nothing .
However this isn't the only problem we are facing right now I urge players who are still willing to play broodwar to try out games out there in your respectively country which are growing right now . If Dota 2 is huge in your country than go for it, If Sc2 is having lots of tournament in your designated country you have to play the game and give your shot and making big out of thriving community . My respective views that to grasp the opportunity at hand when there is still available it's actually quite justifiable in the long run we may prefer one game over the other but that's merely our preference .
Until company developers actually stop molesting their franchise with inferior sequels that actually will make us oldies proud .I see there is no end to starcraft 3,4,5,6 and it's expansion to come out the next year and the word e-sports still being used to promote it's product . I am not saying we should give it all up and not support the remaining scene and I don't want to be called some sort of a leech who does nothing but reap the benefit of the resources and enjoyment that the broodwar scene has been giving us all the time .
This is probably one of the few remaining years to actually watch bw at it's glorious level although quite sub par compared to it's previous years if compared and we should enjoy while it still remains . I don't understand why people care about "esports". Just play the game you love. If you just wanna see esports grow go play LoL. No one is trying revive bw here, but just keep it going as long as possible. No where did I state about reviving bw in my statement...
On April 29 2012 00:01 Sawamura wrote:
the project will fail immediately and if you want a revival for broodwar right now the best chance we ever had was proleague it self.
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On April 29 2012 01:11 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 01:03 Sawamura wrote:On April 29 2012 00:56 L3gendary wrote:On April 29 2012 00:01 Sawamura wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I will be frank here and say that I admire you trying to start up the scene with more projects for funding tournaments like ISL(although they should call it FSL because only foreigners only play in the tournament ) and also Noise ASL .However we must know that broodwar has long gone it's expiry date . Sure some people may pick up the game out of curiosity and than play it and after that drop the game and play other more shiny and more appealing games out there with healthy communities.
Bw is at it's last leg while I am typing this Iccup once a prominent server for foreigners and koreans to enjoy bashing each other with their superior skill is currently at 560 + players in the server . What does that number tell you ? Interest in the game is dwindling and the lack of new blood flowing in the scene is already enough to kill the scene even though one of you guys will keep continue playing the game it's really a futile effort .
The koreans are a well develop e-sport country where playing games actually can benefit you momentarily if you make it big or make it a chance for you to work in one of the respected company that has sponsored you for years . As seen previously in Xellos retirement to become one of CJ work force in the company . Inviting koreans over to compete with us, first what level is the current foreigners right now are we as good as the long standing korean clans like n.die,shield,by and etc ?
If we can't satisfy a simple basics requirements like this to peek interest from the korean communities, the project will fail immediately and if you want a revival for broodwar right now the best chance we ever had was proleague it self .It's the number one source of inspiration out there for all of us broodwar fans, the lightning effects, korean commentators using their WPM to their best, professional broodwar players putting in their soul to the game so we viewers can enjoy it .
If broodwar proleague goes down everything will go down. I know I am being pessimistic over the situation at hand because I fail to see any other lasting communities without there being a professional scene for it . Cs 1.6 is still being played because professional players are still playing the game but the numbers are smaller, Quake 3 is literally dead and no longer is active except Quake Live where pro players are still playing the game . I submit that bw proleague is the very core of our community and it going down is going to make our numbers grow smaller into nothing .
However this isn't the only problem we are facing right now I urge players who are still willing to play broodwar to try out games out there in your respectively country which are growing right now . If Dota 2 is huge in your country than go for it, If Sc2 is having lots of tournament in your designated country you have to play the game and give your shot and making big out of thriving community . My respective views that to grasp the opportunity at hand when there is still available it's actually quite justifiable in the long run we may prefer one game over the other but that's merely our preference .
Until company developers actually stop molesting their franchise with inferior sequels that actually will make us oldies proud .I see there is no end to starcraft 3,4,5,6 and it's expansion to come out the next year and the word e-sports still being used to promote it's product . I am not saying we should give it all up and not support the remaining scene and I don't want to be called some sort of a leech who does nothing but reap the benefit of the resources and enjoyment that the broodwar scene has been giving us all the time .
This is probably one of the few remaining years to actually watch bw at it's glorious level although quite sub par compared to it's previous years if compared and we should enjoy while it still remains . I don't understand why people care about "esports". Just play the game you love. If you just wanna see esports grow go play LoL. No one is trying revive bw here, but just keep it going as long as possible. No where did I state about reviving bw in my statement... Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 00:01 Sawamura wrote:
the project will fail immediately and if you want a revival for broodwar right now the best chance we ever had was proleague it self.
Reviving broodwar and e-sports are two different things . If you read the whole passage in context you would have understand what I meant right there and if you kept up with current event bw revival is already impossible when there is not enough interest in it and also bw coaches on sc2 interview have already gave a view on it that bw had a chance to be big if kespa actually did a world tour during it's popularity.
Also I don't see the point of you nit picking my words about bw revival I was merely suggesting "If you want a bw revival " not aggressively pointing there "should be a bw revival" .
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Pro BW might die but the amateur scene can still thrive. There's still a very vibrant amateur scene in Korea.
The biggest obstacles in uniting the BW communities (Korean and international) are the stupid IP restrictions and KSSN requirements on Korean websites. 
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On April 29 2012 01:17 Sawamura wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 01:11 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 01:03 Sawamura wrote:On April 29 2012 00:56 L3gendary wrote:On April 29 2012 00:01 Sawamura wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I will be frank here and say that I admire you trying to start up the scene with more projects for funding tournaments like ISL(although they should call it FSL because only foreigners only play in the tournament ) and also Noise ASL .However we must know that broodwar has long gone it's expiry date . Sure some people may pick up the game out of curiosity and than play it and after that drop the game and play other more shiny and more appealing games out there with healthy communities.
Bw is at it's last leg while I am typing this Iccup once a prominent server for foreigners and koreans to enjoy bashing each other with their superior skill is currently at 560 + players in the server . What does that number tell you ? Interest in the game is dwindling and the lack of new blood flowing in the scene is already enough to kill the scene even though one of you guys will keep continue playing the game it's really a futile effort .
The koreans are a well develop e-sport country where playing games actually can benefit you momentarily if you make it big or make it a chance for you to work in one of the respected company that has sponsored you for years . As seen previously in Xellos retirement to become one of CJ work force in the company . Inviting koreans over to compete with us, first what level is the current foreigners right now are we as good as the long standing korean clans like n.die,shield,by and etc ?
If we can't satisfy a simple basics requirements like this to peek interest from the korean communities, the project will fail immediately and if you want a revival for broodwar right now the best chance we ever had was proleague it self .It's the number one source of inspiration out there for all of us broodwar fans, the lightning effects, korean commentators using their WPM to their best, professional broodwar players putting in their soul to the game so we viewers can enjoy it .
If broodwar proleague goes down everything will go down. I know I am being pessimistic over the situation at hand because I fail to see any other lasting communities without there being a professional scene for it . Cs 1.6 is still being played because professional players are still playing the game but the numbers are smaller, Quake 3 is literally dead and no longer is active except Quake Live where pro players are still playing the game . I submit that bw proleague is the very core of our community and it going down is going to make our numbers grow smaller into nothing .
However this isn't the only problem we are facing right now I urge players who are still willing to play broodwar to try out games out there in your respectively country which are growing right now . If Dota 2 is huge in your country than go for it, If Sc2 is having lots of tournament in your designated country you have to play the game and give your shot and making big out of thriving community . My respective views that to grasp the opportunity at hand when there is still available it's actually quite justifiable in the long run we may prefer one game over the other but that's merely our preference .
Until company developers actually stop molesting their franchise with inferior sequels that actually will make us oldies proud .I see there is no end to starcraft 3,4,5,6 and it's expansion to come out the next year and the word e-sports still being used to promote it's product . I am not saying we should give it all up and not support the remaining scene and I don't want to be called some sort of a leech who does nothing but reap the benefit of the resources and enjoyment that the broodwar scene has been giving us all the time .
This is probably one of the few remaining years to actually watch bw at it's glorious level although quite sub par compared to it's previous years if compared and we should enjoy while it still remains . I don't understand why people care about "esports". Just play the game you love. If you just wanna see esports grow go play LoL. No one is trying revive bw here, but just keep it going as long as possible. No where did I state about reviving bw in my statement... Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 00:01 Sawamura wrote:
the project will fail immediately and if you want a revival for broodwar right now the best chance we ever had was proleague it self.
Reviving broodwar and e-sports are two different things . If you read the whole passage in context you would have understand what I meant right there and if you kept up with current event bw revival is already impossible when there is not enough interest in it and also bw coaches on sc2 interview have already gave a view on it that bw had a chance to be big if kespa actually did a world tour during it's popularity. Also I don't see the point of you nit picking my words about bw revival I was merely suggesting "If you want a bw revival " not aggressively pointing there "should be a bw revival" .
You implied that a bw revival was impossible and shouldn't be attempted. I didn't disagree with that but said that no one is trying to revive bw with this initiative only keep it going at some level. Does that make sense?
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On April 29 2012 01:30 L3gendary wrote:
You implied that a bw revival was impossible and shouldn't be attempted. I didn't disagree with that but said that no one is trying to revive bw with this initiative only keep it going at some level. Does that make sense?
I don't have a problem with the scene trying to extends it's life span on " some level " . So what's the point in having this discussion in the first place ?
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On April 29 2012 01:33 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 01:30 L3gendary wrote:
You implied that a bw revival was impossible and shouldn't be attempted. I didn't disagree with that but said that no one is trying to revive bw with this initiative only keep it going at some level. Does that make sense? I don't have a problem with the scene trying to extends it's life span on " some level " . So what's the point in having this discussion in the first place ?
Except you wrote a giant post telling everyone the game is done for without the pro community and we should just play other games like sc2/dota2.
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E-penis clash between l3gendary and Sawamura.....
Honestly clash of ideas over even basic things is why this entire idea won't work in the long run.
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Korea (South)11602 Posts
I can most likely get some top korean guilds / top amateurs participate.
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On April 29 2012 01:39 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 01:33 Sawamura wrote:On April 29 2012 01:30 L3gendary wrote:
You implied that a bw revival was impossible and shouldn't be attempted. I didn't disagree with that but said that no one is trying to revive bw with this initiative only keep it going at some level. Does that make sense? I don't have a problem with the scene trying to extends it's life span on " some level " . So what's the point in having this discussion in the first place ? Except you wrote a giant post telling everyone the game is done for without the pro community and we should just play other games like sc2/dota2.
Maybe I should be specific about that part of the explanation as I mention earlier about the statement it is really my opinion that any pro scene is the life support of a favourite community . Also I should have been specific about playing other games while the opportunities exist and just take this for an example in malaysia . Sc2 isn't really big, go to any LAN shop and you will be seeing kids playing dota and more dota . Basing on that my reasonable conclusion that dota has a better competitive scene even though you compared it to other games out there right now however locally speaking in your country you got a better shot at making a pro by playing dota than playing your "favourite" game .
Which is totally irrelevant with the topic at hand here and it's also my dumb mistake to include my opinions here and not staying on topic at hand.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51626 Posts
On April 29 2012 01:45 CaucasianAsian wrote:
I can most likely get some top korean guilds / top amateurs participate.
wow dat some pull bro
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Korea (South)11602 Posts
Just let me know the details, and I can help organize / talk with the teams/players.
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On April 29 2012 01:46 Sawamura wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 01:39 L3gendary wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2012 01:33 Sawamura wrote:On April 29 2012 01:30 L3gendary wrote:
You implied that a bw revival was impossible and shouldn't be attempted. I didn't disagree with that but said that no one is trying to revive bw with this initiative only keep it going at some level. Does that make sense? I don't have a problem with the scene trying to extends it's life span on " some level " . So what's the point in having this discussion in the first place ? Except you wrote a giant post telling everyone the game is done for without the pro community and we should just play other games like sc2/dota2. Maybe I should be specific about that part of the explanation as I mention earlier about the statement it is really my opinion that any pro scene is the life support of a favourite community . Also I should have been specific about playing other games while the opportunities exist and just take this for an example in malaysia . Sc2 isn't really big, go to any LAN shop and you will be seeing kids playing dota and more dota . Basing on that my reasonable conclusion that dota has a better competitive scene even though you compared it to other games out there right now however locally speaking in your country you got a better shot at making a pro by playing dota than playing your "favourite" game . Which is totally irrelevant with the topic at hand here and it's also my dumb mistake to include my opinions here and not staying on topic at hand.
Well no doubt, and that's been true for quite some time now. Personally, I'm not 15 anymore and don't have dreams of "going pro" but I can see why a lot of competitive minded people would want to play a game for that reason. Anyway, I don't think we have a big disagreement here, let's just not pollute this thread any longer and keep it to pm if you want to continue the discussion.
On April 29 2012 01:45 CaucasianAsian wrote:
I can most likely get some top korean guilds / top amateurs participate.
That would awesome!
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United Kingdom1733 Posts
Sawamura, I would like to respectfully disagree with you. I think that BW can continue to succeed as a strong, albeit very niche scene. And I'm a pessimist, not given to flights of fancy or wild imaginings- I really do think that we can do just fine in our own capacity.
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