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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
note: Since 1999 Source: Uzoo.net | ||
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HaiVan
Bulgaria1698 Posts
Nice to see Grrr up there with the big names. | ||
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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GTR
51418 Posts
and a negative gametv ranking means.....? | ||
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
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Pumpkin
United States1141 Posts
On November 02 2005 12:22 1tym wrote: I think WCG is counted very little compared to OGN or MBC game. Hence why Nada is on top. Otherwise it would've been boxer. Base on xellos and boxers points on etc.. it looks like it counts around 180-200 points for a win which is a generous amount. Nada is on top because of his beastly gameTV points and him having more points between mbcgame and ogn over boxer. | ||
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GTR
51418 Posts
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
but since ogn > mbc boxer is still > all | ||
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SChasu
United States1505 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
like osl 1st xxx points osl 2nd xyz points osl 3rd abc points etc | ||
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game.no
Norway445 Posts
5 zerg and 4 Terran, surprising how little terran there is. | ||
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
http://esports.uzoo.net/Es/Star/Rank/list.do?categoryStep=040107 | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
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Gandalf
Pakistan1905 Posts
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
On November 02 2005 12:46 Carnac wrote: yeah obviously it does. but since ogn > mbc boxer is still > all I second that | ||
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
Boxer > YellOw > NaDa as a BW living legends which made that game as it looks like nowadays ~~ | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
edit:I totally agree with Musli 1.Boxer 2.Yellow 3.Nada | ||
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
On November 02 2005 13:30 game.no wrote: 5 toss 5 zerg and 4 Terran, surprising how little terran there is. hm, now that you mention it, there are fewer terrans on this list, but look at their rankings, 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th X_X. monster terrans. | ||
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
nice to see Grrr... HOT and garimto still up there | ||
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miNi
Korea (South)2010 Posts
i dont think etc. fits there nicely. EDIT: woah, garimto is still owning with only OGN points... | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On November 02 2005 14:20 coulthard[pR] wrote: not reallyand Yellow,Yellow is so underrated nowadays,he still>>>all zergs july has accomplished way more in way less time ~ july won three majors, yellow none | ||
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Luhh
Sweden2974 Posts
On November 02 2005 14:47 YoUr_KiLLeR wrote: hm, now that you mention it, there are fewer terrans on this list, but look at their rankings, 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 6th X_X. monster terrans. Yeah, othernotable terrans just outside I would guess: Sync, The_Marine. New guys: Goodfriend Other good terrans right now: Midas, Cloud. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
12위 Kingdom SK텔레콤 T1 417.6 249.4 87.1 -0.4 753.7 15 13위 Grrr 무소속 456.4 1.3 21 65 543.7 New 14위 Garimto 은퇴 506.8 0 -0.5 -0.8 505.5 New 15위 Mumyung SK텔레콤 T1 76.4 428 -17.4 10.6 497.6 43 16위 Sync KTF Magicⓝs 336.2 135.8 -9.6 10.6 473 53 17위 Zeus KOR 170.6 142.3 82.5 0.6 396 69 18위 Goodfriend KTF Magicⓝs 361.2 32.2 0 0 393.4 67 19위 Themarine KTF Magicⓝs 197.6 128.8 0.7 31.6 358.7 2 20위 Junwi 한빛 Stars 177.6 54.4 113.8 0.6 346.4 62 21위 IPXZerg Greatest One 33.8 311 0 0 344.8 18 22위 ChRh 삼성 Khan 140.6 118.2 16.5 27.2 302.5 New 23위 Oddysay 은퇴 45.4 71.9 165 15 297.3 New 24위 Silent_Control 팬택앤큐리텔 큐리어스 153.8 69.4 9 52.4 284.6 14 25위 FreeMura 은퇴 279.8 0 0 0.6 280.4 New 26위 JJU 삼성 Khan 127.2 127.6 0 11.6 266.4 50 27위 Midas SK텔레콤 T1 108.6 33.2 0 100 241.8 ▼2 28위 OgOgO 무소속 10.8 -1.2 0 203.8 213.4 New 29위 TheBoy 은퇴 208 0 0 1.2 209.2 New 30위 TaeWoo 은퇴 0 205.8 0 0 205.8 New 31위 Elky 은퇴 48.4 -2.4 -3 152.4 195.4 New 32위 ClouD KOR 163.8 7.6 0 0 171.4 ▼17 33위 InToTheRainbow SK텔레콤 T1 72.6 68 2.5 15.8 158.9 ▼26 34위 AnyTime Plus 137 11.4 0 0 148.4 ▼33 35위 [z-zone]Soo 은퇴 0 142.8 0 0 142.8 New 36위 fOru Greatest One 60 88 -2.5 -3.4 142.1 ▼10 37위 Pusan POS 101.6 27.4 0 0 129 ▼34 38위 TheWinD SouL 68.6 54 0 2.4 125 41 39위 Oversky Greatest One 91.8 26.6 0 -0.6 117.8 ▼26 40위 Junior eNature Top 48.4 65 -0.5 2 114.9 New 41위 TheSide KOR 75.4 20.7 0 11.2 107.3 3 42위 SsamJang 은퇴 101 0 0 0 101 New 43위 Sonic)Black 은퇴 11.4 99.9 -8.9 -3.4 99 New 44위 s.s.m~[silver] 팬택앤큐리텔 큐리어스 56.2 22.4 0 5.8 84.4 ▼40 45위 kOs eNature Top 12.4 67.3 0 3 82.7 New 46위 Casy KOR 52 26 0 0 78 ▼6 47위 H_Violet_W* 삼성 Khan 64.8 9.5 0 0 74.3 ▼11 48위 Jinsu 은퇴 36.2 29.8 7.2 0.4 73.6 New 49위 TheSunny 한빛 Stars 37 33.2 0 0 70.2 16 50위 TheRock 팬택앤큐리텔 큐리어스 62.4 6.4 0 0 68.8 ▼31 * - I thought H_Violet_W = Zerglee but this guys team says samsung khan, did he get kicked/leave SKT T1 or am I wrong about the AKA? | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
and who the hell is taewoo? | ||
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YoMeR
United States263 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
34위 AnyTime Plus 137 11.4 0 0 148.4 ▼33 Anytime was #1 lifetime achievement? o_o | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On November 03 2005 16:53 Carnac wrote: mummy on rank 15 seems soooooo wrong and who the hell is taewoo? KiSS)TaeWoo I can't remember if he was that really good zerg or petty good protoss ;P | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
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Sha-Mat
Greece277 Posts
Should be boxer yellow and garimto at the top ;p still the best... | ||
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Fayth[pG]
Canada1093 Posts
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bunny
United States24 Posts
Sorry to highjack this thread.. but I'm kinda new around here so I can't create my own threads yet, and I wanted to ask some questions about the top SC players. Would any of you mind directing me to some good links to any popular SC sites with articles or info on the top players, fan favorites, and/or their current strategies? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks ^^ | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On November 03 2005 18:17 bunny wrote: hello :> Sorry to highjack this thread.. but I'm kinda new around here so I can't create my own threads yet, and I wanted to ask some questions about the top SC players. Would any of you mind directing me to some good links to any popular SC sites with articles or info on the top players, fan favorites, and/or their current strategies? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks ^^ *points to "Articles" section at the top* | ||
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CreationZealot
72 Posts
and my favoruite progamer he is complete Apms hotkeys micro and macro etc... | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 02 2005 14:56 Carnac wrote: not really july has accomplished way more in way less time ~ july won three majors, yellow none Yellow had Boxer! | ||
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pubbanana
United States3063 Posts
He left SKT T1 quite some time ago and went to Khan with Zergman and JJu | ||
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bunny
United States24 Posts
On November 03 2005 18:23 NeoIllusions wrote: *points to "Articles" section at the top* Yeah... I look through that page already and was hoping there was something a little more recent or current regarding the players people have named here. The most recent interview was of Rekrul which was done in June. I think most of the interviews/articles prior to that were quite a while back. Are there any other places or sites aside from this one?  | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Use the search function on the right and search "interviews", I suppose. Edit: You wouldn't happened to be "bunny" from the WC3 community? | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On November 02 2005 14:56 Carnac wrote: not really july has accomplished way more in way less time ~ july won three majors, yellow none Considering without players like yellow players like july wouldnt exist. | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
That having been said, Boxer owns Nada twelve ways from tuesday. | ||
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YoUr_KiLLeR
United States3420 Posts
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bunny
United States24 Posts
On November 03 2005 20:25 NeoIllusions wrote: Edit: You wouldn't happened to be "bunny" from the WC3 community? yeah thanks for your help~ | ||
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gravity
Australia1847 Posts
On November 03 2005 20:07 bunny wrote: Yeah... I look through that page already and was hoping there was something a little more recent or current regarding the players people have named here. The most recent interview was of Rekrul which was done in June. I think most of the interviews/articles prior to that were quite a while back. Are there any other places or sites aside from this one? www.gosugamers.net is pretty good, I'm not sure if they have quite the kind of information you're looking for though. | ||
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In_FeR_NaL
Turkey3 Posts
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1hp
Korea (South)903 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Since he's won 2 finals and lost 3 (2 x 300, 3 x 200 = 1200 which is more or less his points ;p). @ Bunny Do you mean non-korean top gamers or progamers? If you mean korean, you can find lots of highlight videos here Though I'm not sure if it would be immediately apparent to someone who doesn't play war3 what exactly their style is.. But for example; BoxeR (Terran, Im Yo Hwan) is known for making absolutely amazing builds, his amazing micro etc. Also widely considered the greatest player ever, nicknamed 'Terran Emperor'. Won 2 OGN Starleagues, been in the finals of 5 and is making his 6th appearance tomorrow. Won 2 WCGs and 1 MBC Starleague as well. Multiple 3rd place finishes as well. Should he win the final tomorrow, he'll be the only player to ever win 3 starleagues and will be awarded with a 300g golden mouse (initially he was supposed to get 2 autoseeds as well, one for the next starleague as well as one for the following one, however, both boxer and the fans protested and OGN changed it). UPDATE: Boxer lost the final 2-3. This guy MADE modern BW, he's invented half of the terran tricks in use, he's the creator of almost all the terran cheese rushes, he's the man who invented soooooooo much of the micro tricks used not only by terran (garimto adapted a lot of boxer's terran tricks for protoss I hear). He might not have invented marine vs lurker control, nor dropship control but he might as well have - he's the god of both. I could write sooo much about this guy, but it wouldn't make him justice anyway. He also handpicked iloveoov for his team while oov was still an amateur.. Talk about a good choice! BoxeR played Grrr... in a special exhibition match (a goodbye to the 1.07 patch) which he won 3-0. He also beat slayer (one of the worlds best players at the time) 3-0. In his match vs Grrr he also created a famous barracks block outlined here; http://www.sclegacy.com/features/pimpestplays_2002.php#7 Later, when the map bifrost appeared boxer won quite a few games by landing a barracks in a way so that it blocked the way up to his opponents cliff overlooking their main, then bunker rushed with them being helpless to defend. In one particulary amazing move vs elky, who had made a supply depot nearby to spot (or block, I'm not sure), he used it to make a wall with sup/rax combined. Some other boxer patented moves include mass blind + wraith vs carriers (http://www.sclegacy.com/features/pimpestplays_2002.php#6) The boxer nuke+emp rush: http://www.sclegacy.com/features/pimpestplays_2002.php#5 The boxer lockdown (vs chunsang, considered to be the next boxer but unfortunately he never made it big). Boxer locks down a score of battlecruisers within seconds. http://www.sclegacy.com/features/pimpestplays_2002.php#2 He's got a 560,000 member fan club, has appeared in one movie (that I know of) and makes 180,000$/year (3 year contract) with a yearly bonus of 80,000$ for doing well. Has written a book and owns a PC cafe. Most wins on OGN. Most games on OGN (I think?). Yellow is second in both categories I believe. He's got a very big winning record vs yellow, as they've played eachother something like 35-40 times on TV. NaDa (Terran, Lee Yun Yeol) sort of created modern macro style (while still having awesome control, it's not nearly as flashy as boxer's). Called 'Genius terran', invented tornado style TvP pretty much (harass while building up a giant force which you then use to steamroll the protoss, previously most TvPs had been more slow push style). Won 2 OGN Starleagues. 3 MBCs (6 finals) and 1 or 2 ghemtv starleagues, as well as the first KT-KTF. He really deserves much more of a writeup than this.. He changed the way people played the game really. In 2002, shortly after reach had beat boxer 3-1 in the SKY 2002 final, nada 3-0:ed him in their MBC Final (though reach's mindset obviously wasn't the greatest, having just won a (more important sort of, as Ongamenet is a bit more prestigious than MBC) final a week or so earlier, it was still quite a demonstration Iloveoov (Terran, Choi Yeon Seong) sort of revolutionized the way you macro, burst into the scene about 2 years ago and immediately won 3 MBC starleagues back to back (nada had done so just before him, and in oov's second final he beat nada) and looked set to win an OGN Starleague as well but the phenom Julyzerg stopped him cold at the semi final. Oov did win the next one though, after a very close final vs boxer. 1 OGN Starleague and 3 MBC Starleague wins. 2 OGN 3rd Place finishes. Anyhow, he's called cheater terran or busdriver terran (a reference to how he absolutely dominates players at times), cheater terran comes from how he always has an army much larger than what would seem humanly possible. Xellos (Terran, Seo Ji Hoon) should be mentioned, nicknamed 'Perfect Terran' for his standard, safe and, well, perfect play. Won OGN Olympus Starleague (3-2 vs yellow). Probably the best TvT in the world (he beats boxer, oov, goodfriend but loses to nada, nada is even with boxer, loses to oov and I'm not sure about goodfriend, goodfriend is even with boxer and oov I think, oov is even with boxer and beats nada, loses to xellos and sort of even with goodfriend.. yeah). Won WCG 2004 (beating Midas 2-0 in the final) and is heavily favoured to do so again. Has a perfect pokerface while playing. Julyzerg (Zerg, Bak Seong Jun) rose to the top about a year ago and within that time he's been in 3 OGN finals, winning 2. Prior to his wins, no zerg had ever won OGN, but in one year him and gorush won a total of 4 big leagues together (july winning 3 of them). His style is based around crazy ling lurker attacks and the most beautiful mutalisk control you'll ever see. There's been a highlight video of him which showcases how he plays perfectly, it's in the thread I linked above. He's called 'God of Fighting' (Tusin/Toosin) because of his beautiful control. 2 OGN Starleague titles, one OGN 2nd place and 1 KT-KTF win. Won the first starleague he participated in (Gillete), beating reach 3-1 in the finals. He is the first 'Royal Road player' (winning the first starleague you play). His name is the same as on-the-rise player Zergman. Yellow (Zerg, Hong Jin Ho) is the perpetual 2nd place finisher, he's been around almost as long as boxer and in their time they've clashed multiple times; at first, in Coca-Cola starleague they met in the finals, at a time when boxer was considered invincible vs zerg yellow managed to take 2 games from him, but beating boxer twice on hall of valhalla + ragnarok (a hugely terran favoured map) was too much and he lost a very close series. They have since met in the finals of WCG 2002, the finals of the first KPGA Tour (now the MBC Starleague), and the finals of 2-3 king of king events. Yellow has never won any of their starleague meetings (semi finals, finals etc) but has won a king of king event vs boxer. Yellow doesn't only lose to boxer in finals, in oov's first mbc starleague he lost 0-3 to the newcomer, this after overcoming nada in the winners final, but Oov's style was just so new and unheard of that yellow just got walked over. When nada won his first OGN starleague yellow was there to lose vs him in the semis (again, to a player who brought something new to the table). When Xellos won his first starleague, it was vs yellow in the finals (closest finals ever I dare say, brilliant play). When reach won SKY 2002 he beat yellow in the semis with absolutely brilliant play (the man was on fire, no doubt about that). Stormed everything in sight with deadly accuracy. When boxer, only last year, once again brought in a new killer build (the 8 rax), yellow was there to lose 0-3 to him in the semis. All but one game was under 10 minutes. Yellow has won one starleague though, beating NaDa in the GhemTV Challenge Open Starleague Yellow also owns a PC Cafe. When Garimto won SKY 2001 yellow was, once again, there to lose to him in the semis. He's insanely consistent, a master of special events (winner of blizzcon, winner of snickers allstar, winner of at least one MBC Winners championship, winner of the 2nd OGN King of Kings) but has always fell short of winning any of the majors. Got a pretty huge fanbase and hopefully he can return and win a final (he's not been true to form lately). Nicknamed 'Storm Zerg' because of his aggressive, low eco play where he'll just harass everywhere (look at his blizzcon replays, beautiful drops/mutas and then - defilers). Gorush (Zerg, Bak Tae Min), he's been around since the very first WCG (when it was called WCGC, world cyber games challenge) he dropped off the map for a couple of years before returning to the limelight about a year or so ago, winning vs NaDa 4-2 in the finals of the You Are The Golfking MBC Starleague, finishing 3rd in IOPS Starleague - I think, might have been a later one, the name escapes me. Also the runner up of the second KT-KTF (which julyzerg won). Reach (Protoss, Bak Jeong Seok) is generally regarded as the best protoss of the day (perhaps ever, but garimto should hold this position imo). He's only won 1 OGN starleague, 2nd place once as well as one or two 3rd place finishes. He's been the runner up of 2 MBC Starleagues. He's known for his amazing storms ('mudang storms', mudang meaning something like exorcist, shaman etc) and flawless macro (one of the few to ever match Oov in a completely straightup macro fight - Oov even said he never understood why people rated reach's macro so highly until their semi final games in Ever 2004, an encounter which Oov won 3-2, very, very close series. Reach did beat Oov 3-0 in the most recent MBC however). His PvP and PvT are pretty much the best in the world, no doubt, his PvZ could be seen as his one weakness but at times (Sky 2002, Ever 2004 3rd place game) that too is beyond almost everyone. In the most recent MBC Starleague (Uzoo), where he finished second he beat chojja (3-2, very close series with reach coming back from 1-2, and in the second to last game - where both players ran out of expansions - he won it by maelstroming, and then storming, about 3+ control groups of devourers) to get to the final. He lost the final 1-3 to IPXZerg (a new zerg star, came from absolutely NOWHERE and just dominated his way to his first title). In OGN he's beat Boxer 3-1 for the Sky 2002 title, and lost to julyzerg 1-3, finishing second in the Gillete starleague. As previously mentioned, he lost one MBC Starleague (I think it was still called KPGA Tour then) to nada 3-0. He's nicknamed hero toss, because at times when no other toss players were achieving success he was there - winning. Nal_rA (Protoss, Kang Min) is like a protoss version of boxer when it comes to ingenuity (or a newer version of garimto), who took his fair time actually making it into a starleague (but when he did, which coincided with some very nice maps for protoss coming into play, it was all nal_ra - almost). In his first starleague appearance (I think it was his first, someone correct me if I'm wrong) he made it to the final, beating reach in the semi, only to run into Kingdom - old school returnee and Protoss vs Protoss GOD. He lost 3-1. However, the very next starleague he was back, and beat zeus 3-1 in the final (ZeuS is a very old school protoss player with awesome PvZ, PvT but a bit worse PvP). Won the Stout MBC Starleague (2-0 nada, but since he came from the winners bracket he started with 1-0 so 3-0). Finished 3rd in the Spris MBC Starleague and 4th in Hanafos MBC Starleague. He's got loads of nicknames, really, LOADS... For some reason I can't remember his most famous one.. I think it's sun god toss or something (I assume because of the Ra part of his name, nal_ra means 'want fly' btw). Only other name I remember is Flower toss (because of his love of photon cannons, and their resemblence of flowers). Field of Flowers Toss (cannons) and Dreamer Toss are two of his other nicknames. Much like garimto and boxer, he often hides buildings, or proxies them (like he did vs mondragon in blizzcon). Also very, very skilled with reaver/sair (often from a fast expand) - indeed, he might be the best reaver sair player ever as his use of magic and reavers is just impeccable. Very good at fast expanding. Does lots of unusual and cute things. One of his most famous plays is his arbiter rush vs goodfriend on the island map Parallel Lines (has an expo in main) where he prepared 2 fast arbiters for a massive recall, was scouted (resulting in goodfriend putting up lots of turrets) and reacted by hallucinating his arbiters, and then recalling around 2 groups of zealots/dragoons in goodfriend's main. Garimto did a very similiar thing in one of his last games before retiring, vs boxer on forbidden zone he arbiter rushed from 1 base (boxer's build on forbidden zone was a fast cc - before barracks and this was pretty well known) and garimto's play seemed to work brilliantly, but boxer managed to shut down his only expansion at another main thanks to ghosts (lockdown), tanks and vultures. Has been in a severe slump when it comes to individual leagues as of late but has been absolutely tearing it up in the Sky Proleague (Teamleague) where he has won every single 5th and deciding game he has played for his team (KTF). Something like 8-0 total I believe. Garimto (Protoss, Kim Dong Su) is like the Boxer of protoss. He invented the archon splash on zealot to kill lurker, he was the first (I think?) to do proxy reavers and the like (one famous game vs st.eagle in Sky 2001 he actually made the robotics for the reaver at st.eagle's natural expansion). Another famous play of his was when he mindcontrolled an overlord instead of teching to observers (though this was not in a TV match). He's won 2 OGN Starleagues but not really done that much in the way of tournament wins outside of that (still, the only people to manage 2 starleague wins is him, boxer, nada and july). He retired shortly after I started following progaming so I can't really speak from personal experience of having watched his games live etc.. But he's just an amazing protoss who really should be mentioned here despite being retired. Nicknamed 'The Zealot' because of his hardcore zealot rushes and use of mass zealots. Kingdom (Protoss, Bak Yong Wook) is another player who you should mention I guess, as he's won 1 OGN Starleague (Mycube in 2003), finished 4th in one (Hanbitsoft starleague.. Grrr finished 3rd, this was back in 2001) and was the runner up of the Spris MBC Starleague (lost 3-4 to oov). He's sort of the inventor of a zealot/reaver timing rush, which he used to great effect in the korean wcg qualifiers 2004, however, while attempting to proxy gate julyzerg he managed to get his zealot trapped against the edge. Unable to get it out, he lost. Quite a famous mistake  He's the king of PvP, has awesome control (him and reach have some devil probe control, they kill scvs with ease by backing up -> shooting, ie not running away just backing up out of range of the scvs attack and using the probes range also very good with carriers) and is very good at PvZ.Nicknamed 'Devil Toss' because of his reavers/dts/probes. There's a new generation of very skilled protoss players coming up these days, Pusan (Bak Ji Ho) and Anytime (O Yeong Jong) being the most noticeable. While they haven't accomplished enough yet to be mentioned individually I think they deserve at least a few lines; Anytime and Pusan both made it straight into starleague, straight through all of the incredibly hard qualifiers (at least I think they made it on their first try), and they both advanced into the semi finals, Anytime beating oov 3-1 and pusan losing to boxer 2-3, Oov then beat pusan with the same score as boxer, 3-2. Anytime vs Boxer will be played tomorrow). They are both incredibly solid players with awesome macro and solid play, anytime seems to be good at making builds as well. Solid PvZ. Pusan is called 'attack ground protoss' because of his mass units style (the 'Ji-Ho mode', from his name Bak Ji Ho). Anytime is called 'zealot factory owner' because of his ability to churn out zealots at an unmatched rate. His second nickname is 'Sasin' or god of death because of his excellent dark templar usage. Anytime has a shot at being a 'Royal Road player' (winning the first starleague you appear in starleague). Update: AnyTime (Protoss, Oh Young Jong) became the second royal road player (july being the first) by beating boxer in the SO1 2005 OGN Starleague by a score of 3 to 2. His nickname of zealot factory owner describes his style very well, as his macro is stunning, and during the course of this starleague he also proved his strategic cunning, making very solid builds for all games. He started of in groups by beating Yellow, and rising zerg star GGplay (who is very good at ZvP) and losing to Oov. His build vs Yellow was particulary interesting, as it made great use of his trademark dark templars. He then proceeded to win vs xellos 2-1, iloveoov 3-1 and finally boxer 3-2. In the process of one starleague he beat 3 of the top 4 terrans (maybe 3 of the top 5 if you go by current form and put goodfriend ahead of nada) in a very convincing manner. His nicknames are; Sasin (god of death, referencing to his great dark templar usage) and Zealot factory owner. Grrr... (Guillaume Patry, Giyom), was a random player turned protoss pretty much, he won one OGN Starleague in the early days of progaming as well as a King of Kings. He's one of the few non-korean progamers and was, at his prime the best player in the world. He retired in 2003 I believe, because he said he couldn't keep up with the new players. He's made it into scores of older tournaments, but, just as with garimto, I wasn't playing back then so no personal comment. I do know that aside from his OGN wins, he made it into the final of one GhemTV Starleague, where he lost to Oddysay. Made it into the finals of the Seoul Cup Tournament, where he lost to October. Won 2-3 BNET Ladder Seasons as well. Anyhow, he changed the game a lot and was the first real star of the game I think. Other players who should be mentioned here I feel are; Elky (Terran, Bertrand Grospellier), from france. Retired only last year (now a poker pro), and was doing very good for a while. Finished 4th in sky 2002 at best I think, also made it into multiple top 8s of starleagues I think. Moreover, he was the last non-korean to make it into a starleague (not that there's been a lot of non-korean progamers). He did well in the early days of Warcraft3 as well (2nd place in a starleague at best I think?). Played very macro heavy with expansions everywhere (I think he was called 'The father of command centers' or something like that). In his first televised game in korea (I think it was the first) he was still playing protoss, was up against V-Gundam and mindcontrolled an SCV, to make tanks. A move which almost cost him the game but I'm sure looked great (again, not around ).He finished second at WCG 2001 (losing to boxer) and has been to every WCG that france has sent players to I think (not sure about the 2000 WCGC). In 2001, he beat V-Gundam in the group play, nuking him. Boxer promised to 'take revenge' by nuking elky in the final, which he did. H.O.T-Forever had a severe jinx vs elky, losing pretty much every official game they played (elky is 7-1 vs him) Challenged people to 50$ rock, paper, scissor matches at wcg 2004. Always plays with sunglasses. Nicknamed "Desperate terran" because of how he'd often struggle to survive and then come back with massive macro. And because he'd really look desperate while this was happening IIRC V-Gundam (Jo Jeong Hyun) deserves a mention here as well, as he perfected the 'bamboo rush' or Gundam rush. This rush was, for the longest time, one of the most common builds all over battle.net, as well as in tournament play and he was really insanely good with it. He was also very good vs zerg (that's where his nickname 'bamboo terran' comes from I'm told, but I'm not sure why). Some bad luck prevented him from ever really succeeding. Though he did come close.. Before retiring he had made it into a starleague (first time in quite a while I believe) but, in a strike of incredibly bad luck he managed to break his finger just before. He did play if I remember correctly, but retired shortyl thereafter. He was the runner up of the 2nd OGN King of Kings, losing 0-3 to Yellow in the finals. Another player worth mentioning is Sync (Terran, Byun Gil Sup)), who is still around. He won the NATE 2002 starleague, a starleague which almost no one remember due to it coinceeding with the World Cup football (soccer) final held in korea-japan at the time. His crazy marine medic charge vs zerg is widely used (he is very good at taking down sunken colonies with marines/medics/firebats). Very good infantry control. Is jinxed vs gorush. Nicknamed 'Sparks Terran' or 'Fireworks Terran' H.O.T-Forever (Zerg, Kang Do Kyung) is worth mentioning, as he is one of the oldest progamers. He lost to Grrr in the Hanaro Communication Tooniverse Starleague, 2-3 (from 2-0 I believe) and later to Sync (in nate) 1-3. Nowadays he's mostly a deadly 2:2 player for hanbit in teamleagues. Can't tell you much about his styles I'm afraid, a bit too old school for me. I think he used zerglings extensively though, lots of zergling harass. SKELTON (Zerg, Bong Jun Gu) should perhaps also be mentioned, he lost in the final of the OGN Freechal starleague to Garimto (0-3 I think). Was one of the worlds best Kingdom under fire gamers, one of the top gamers in the early days of warcraft 3 (he's now the coach/manager of SK.Asia) and owns a PC Cafe. In addition he was also a champion in the korean game Atrox (http://www.atrox.co.kr has a few vods from OGN) and Jurassic War. Perhaps I should mention Freemura (Zerg, Choi Jin Woo) as well, he was the winner of the 1999 Progamer Korea Open (precursor to starleague, held by OGNs mothercompany Tooniverse if I'm not mistaken). IntoTheRain (Protoss, Im Seong Chun) deserves a mention, he was known for his amazing PvZ and did very well in Game-Q, as well as finishing 3rd in the KPGA 1st Tour (now MBC Starleague). He had problems with playing infront of big crowds and his full potential was never really seen, unfortunately Now retired, but works as a caster for OGN or MBC, can't remember which. Garimto does that too btw. Intotherain played a 'hanbang' style protoss, bursting out with one big attack to kill the zerg. Was also known for his amazing use of magic (high templars in particular, he stormed like nobody else, well, maybe except for reach in mudang mode). Tossgirl (Terran, Seo Ji Su) is the only female progamer to play in the male leagues (I think, at least she's the only one doing it with any success). She recently knocked yellow out of the WCG prelims (but lost next round). Has made it far enough to get on TV in the male leagues (MBC). Also won the GhemTV Womens Starleague at least once. When Freemura made a come back last year or so, after having been away (he had to do his military service) tossgirl beat him, FreeMura once again retired shortly thereafter. I think she has caused two returnees to retire but I'm not sure.. Legionnaire (Protoss, Peter Neate) from Australia. Retired very recently (only some months ago), after a pretty successful stint (he was there for 2 years I believe) in korean progaming. At first he played for POS but was soon (along with assem) picked up by the most traditionally non-korean team (gone by many names, started as AMD Dream Team, but when AMD withdrew their sponsorship I believe they became Hexatron and are now called eNature). He never achieved any great success (though the fact that he even qualified says a lot about how good he can be) in individual leagues, an MBC minorleague (qualifier for Starleague) appearance being his highlight but in the Team Leagues he did GREAT. He beat Boxer, he beat Xellos, he almost beat nada. He all killed the team Toona SG (now Pantech, the team of NaDa, and until recently; goodfriend - though I'm not sure if nada them played there at the time, also Moon of war3 fame's team - did his contract run out yet?). In the process of this all kill (4-0 in total) he beat S.S.M~[Silver] Ogogo, Goodfriend, and TheRock[3.33]. In this last game, he set the record for reaver kills in a televised game - I believe reach held it perviously - with a 57 kill reaver (55 or so of those were probes).. An AWESOME report written by waxangel can be found HERE Kyo[3.33] = TheRock[3.33] So what else did he do.. Hm yeah, he got stuck in traffic and as a result showed up too late for his MBC Minor League game vs Yooi (yooi's coach pushed for a forfeit - this was all within the rules as he was 30 minutes late or so.. or if he didn't show up early enough, I can't remember, and well, he got a forfeit and in the next round lost 0-2 vs mumyung. To qualify for his game vs yooi I think he had to beat silent_control which he did 2-1.. Can't remember exactly, it might have been from somewhere else. He was invited to a GhemTV (I think GhemTV and GameTV are the same at least) Rookie Starleague, but due to some mistakes in communication, he was disqualified because he was away for WCG (his games were supposed to be postponed but weren't, unfortunately ).I remember he got his semi-pro license very quickly.. First try even? Yeah, he retired this summer if I remember things correctly. Nicknamed 'Wink Toss' (because of his sexy wink )TheMarine (Terran, Kim Jung Min). If Boxer is the author of the terran book of tricks, Themarine is the one who wrote the book of Terran basics. This guy is the most by the book terran ever, and while he was always overshadowed by boxer he was one of the few to hold a winning record vs boxer during the time of his dominance (I don't think it's still a winning record these days though, but I'm not sure). Despite this he lost to BoxeR when it mattered (semi-finals etc) so he never did win any major. After a long period of slumping he was back at the top for a while but has dropped a little again (here's to hoping he'll be back  ).Won KBK Twice. Nicknamed 'By The Book Terran' Byun (Zerg, Byun Seong Cheol) is a killer zerg from the era of Grrr... He's too old school for me to really remember but he was one of the greats. He is now the coach of the PLUS Proteam. Goodfriend (Terran,Lee Byung Min). Doesn't have a huge following (probably because of playing too standard) but since his appearance in the majors he's been a constant player, and he was one of the very few who did not get rolled over by Oov when he first did the rounds of MBC (Goodfriend is about as newschool as Oov is too). Lost to July in the OGN Ever 2005 Finals 2-3. Chojja (Zerg, Jo Yong Ho). 'The Cowboy zerg', chojja was the king of ZvP for a long time and at times a killer ZvT. He lost 2-3 to NaDa in the finals of the (MBC) KPGA 4th Tour, and shortly thereafter he lost to nada in the OGN Panasonic Starleague finals 0-3 (after losing an almost won first game he seemed unable to recover). Was one of the fastest players, and probably still is. Insane mutalisk control. Nicknamed 'Cowboy zerg' because of how he uses ultralisks (cows ).Recently lost to Reach in 2-3 in the MBC UZOO Starleague (after losing to IPXZerg 2-3 - I think - in the winners final). Foru (Protoss, Lee Jae Hoon). Used to be the undisputed #1 terran killer, nowadays he's pretty well rounded. Known for his goon+obs play vs terran and for losing a game vs nada where he had 50 gateways (a reminder not to try to show-off). He's unfortunately never won anything major, but this year he qualified for WCG 2nd year running, definitely no mean feat considering how hard the korean WCG prelims are. Recently got knocked out of the MBC Cyon MSL by boxer 1-2 in the losers bracket after what, I hear, was a very close series. Ogogo (Zerg, Lee Yong Beom). Winner of WCG 2003, OgOgO sort of burst out of nowhere and won the korean WCG qualifiers (which, that year, had a lot of surprises as old school gosu H.O.T-Forever and new school terran player Silent_Control qualified), and then proceeded to win the WCG 2003 finals vs Fisheye 2-1 (winners bracket advantage if I remember correctly). Was a progamer for a while but retired, almost made it into the WCG qualifiers through the amateur field this year. Not sure if he'll go pro again or not. Assem (Terran, Brian Fransioli). American terran progamer on eNature. Not done that much so far but still has some very notable wins vs anytime and yellow in teamleague as well as a nice game vs kingdom. Beat H.O.T in some qualifiers I believe.. Can't remember to what.. Challenge League maybe. He's currently in the US sorting out Visa problem I think.. Qualified for WCG 2003, went 3-3 and tied for 4th in his group, with chinese gosu LinYu)PJ winning it, H.O.T-Forever coming in 2nd (this means he didn't advance). Was invited to blizzcon where he went 1-2 vs yellow, 1-2 vs Testie. Rekrul (Protoss, Dan Schreiber). Was in eNature together with Legionnaire and Assem, but never did very well (a lot of this probably had to do with how much poker he played, where he made lots of money). What he did do, however, was popularize the use of arbiters among non-korean protoss players, a trend which now, almost a year after his retirement, is also starting in korea with Pusan, kingdom and (I think) foru all using arbiters in recent games. Nazgul (Protoss, Victor Goossens). Spent 2-3 months in Korea in 2003, playing for the then AMD Dream Team (now eNature, if you recall). Has made it into every WCG since 2001 (but due to holland not having qualifiers for BW this year, he will not be present). In the 2001 WCG he got 5th (highest ranking protoss), beating gundam, fisheye, tomson and alejandro, losing only to elky, in the groups. Then beating MTY and CQ~2000 before losing to first Boxer then Gorush. Brackets/results In 2002 he was once again the highest placing protoss (this year at 7th, tied with Grrr). He made it into Challenge League (something which no non-korean has since managed, even though it is harder now than when he did it), where he unfortunately lost all his games (most likely due to pressure, the casters even commentated on him not playing at his usual level). In Team league he beat Xellos, no mean feat. On the MBC Show "About Starcraft", in which they invite a rookie to play vs a progamer, he beat Jinnam, using an all new cheese build on Lost Temple. He actually beat him twice but first game had to be replayed due to the replay being corrupted (they always go over the replay as part of the show. He was then re-invited to play vs [Oops]Lee, vs whom he lost in a, if I remember it correctly, long and close game. He lost in the GhemTV qualifiers vs kOs (1-2). He was one of the few high ranking non-koreans on the old gamei server, with a high somewhere around 2100. He played a famous series of games vs boxer there, which he lost 2-3. Runs this site (http://www.teamliquid.net), and is retired. Smuft (Protoss, Stephen King) is a canadian protoss player, who was in korea for a while (not sure if he was ever pro or just amateur). I can't say I heard much about him but I know he was good. Don't know what he accomplished there, but he managed to 'scam' his way to fame with the WDTour (World Dream Tour, promising an invite to play for the AMD Dream Team to the winner of it all, which it later turns out, had never been confirmed by the AMD Team management). Later won the TLTour (teamliquid tour) beating mondragon 4-3 (I believe) in the finals. Got kicked out of Korea for selling drugs, and as a result he was disqualified from WCG (which he had qualified for), and banned the following year. This year I believe the ban was lifted, but he has since gone inactive. Mumyung (Zerg, Seong Hak Seung). Now, lots of people will ask 'why do I mention this guy? Has he won anything??'. And yeah. He has. The first MBC Winners Championship (beat yellow ZvZ, not sure about the score but I think it was 3-0). Aside from that, he hasn't done much but for the longest time he kept qualifying for starleagues and then ended up losing in group/play offs every time. Just thought he sort of deserved a mention. Someone who has to be mentioned is Maynard (Random - I hope I'm not wrong on this, but I think his best race was terran? Miguel Bombach). He hasn't played BW competitively for a long, long time but his name still lives on in the term 'Maynard transfer', which is when you oversaturate your main minerals in order to get maximum production at your expansion once it's finished (or even just used to describe the transfering of workers). Considered the best player in the world for a while, one of the first players who understood the concept of macro. Pimpest Plays lists: 2002 2003 2004 Thanks to Pubbanana, Raidern, Lightman, [-Bluewolf-], Nazgul, Judicator, YoUr_KiLLeR and SF)CruiseR for correcting mistakes and adding info (I'll update this as I check who else contributed in the comments ) | ||
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hands down thumbs up man, my most sincere congratulations. by the way you have to add: NTT, Maynard and Slayer, and nal_ra's cutest nick imo is "Professor Protoss". | ||
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Boxer while in his prime he was set up with an exhibition matchup verse who were considered the best non korean player at the time (and also 2nd best player of the world) Grrrr... whom he defeated by a flawless 3-0 including a patent of the Barrack landing next to mineral in Hall of Vallhallla, and verse the one considered the best Europe player at the time (and KBK winner) Slayer, equally 3-0. To mention some of his trademarks plays: ghost locking down multiple battlecruisers, EMP and Nuking a Nexus, Barrack landing next to mineral @ HOV, and finally my personal favorite and probably the best one, the Barrack choke lift block. Grrrr... also won the two or three BNet Ladder seasons, when the BNet Ladder was a very respectable place to play. | ||
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Okay not that bad but they are a bit strained by now. | ||
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On November 04 2005 05:17 GrandInquisitor wrote: OMFG awesome FA. I'm going to rewrite it into the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gameplay_of_StarCraft Thanks If you rewrite it, wait a little (want to add the things suggested) and add it to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=StarCraft_Players&action=edit as discussed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gameplay_of_StarCraft I think that would be great  Actually, I could probably add it myself.. except for all those reference links ;p I'd probably forget them 8D EDIT: Do you think I should make a separate topic for this article o_O? EDIT2: Maybe I should add in all the players birthdates o_O | ||
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Maynard was the first true random player able to truly dominate all matchups with deadly effectiveness. By the time he was in Korea he began playing zerg regulary and his ZvT and ZvP was regarded as deadly and mortal as any of the rest of the Korean gosu players. He hated ZvZ though and hence, he switched to Terran. He was one of the elite foreigners that played at KBK, losing to Grrr... a TvP match, where citing his own words "he curses to this day". Maynard, one the GG Lycos members, was perhaps the first player to express their anger because of the release of replays, citing "it wasn't fair that players were now allowed to get good just by copying their strats without even knowing the reasons why they played ingame", and vowed to never play Brood war again shortly after the 1.08 patch was released. However he showed up for USA WCG 2001 qualies, with a very very far away from his real skill display of game level (played terran all the way) and still managed to qualify for the WCG 2001 finals. After that, Maynard was never seen playing Brood war again. NTT aka hasudrone (Terran, Jacob Scharn) Ferocious terran player who is widely regarded as one of the greatest foreign bw players as well as perhaps the most hillarious and controversial. His sleeve had the following trademarks 1 Multiple CC running everywhere with continued and unbelievable non stop SCV production. When attacked, he would gather all the SCVs from his expansions and use them as defense troops while producing the real army that would serve as counter attack assault troop. At one time he was regarded as the greatest Macro Tank Terran player in the world, at the point that a show match between him vs NADA was being prepared but never happened. 2 Being regarded as perhaps the best player to watch in replays (when they became available), and holds at least 10 or more, amazing and extraordinary matches in replays every brood war player must have and keep in their gold library as they were the original Death Sea manuscripts, including a series of 3 amazing ass beating Garimto. His TvT and TvP were as close and good as Korean level. Special mention to his incredible skills with dropships and managing drops in general. 3 While not playing, NTT (aka hasudrone)'s personality and atipical behavior was hillarious to follow whether if it was in forums, articles, interviews, battle net chats and even in game chats, he insulted, hated, joked on anything handy he had. Although at some time he praised a wide hate to death for his GG Lycos clan teammate Maynard, the most probable thing is that they were actually good friends. 4 He would quit and NEVER play a game if he spawned at the 6 o'clock lost temple main base, as he had a theory citing it was the worst possible position to play for Terrans. 5 He would repeatedly use Marines & Medics vs Protoss players, with incredible and deadly accuracy, a strat virtually impossible to succeed vs Protoss. He was one of the foreigners that managed to qualify to the KBK event, which was eventually won by his teammate and friend Slayer (aka hasulurker). I have no idea to whom NTT lost with. NTT achieved 3rd place in the first WCG 2000, losing to Gorush (I think) in the semifinals. He retired shortly after replays were released citing the same reason Maynard would eventuallly confess as well, as he couldn't stand how 100% newbie and (place 20+ random cursing words here) players were now able to become good players just by "watching a replay and copying all the hard work players like him had invented". He made a brief comeback, weeks before WCG 2001 Netherland qualifiers where he eventually played, but it wasn't enough as he lost 4-1 to Liquid`Nazgul in the finals when the Protoss player was very close to his prime. After this NTT left the BW scene and was never seen again. Numerous replays were spreaded thenafter that time with smurf accounts regarding it was NTT, but none of them were confirmed and there's a high probablity they were all fake. | ||
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Regarded by many of his peers as the smartest and most intelligent brood war player ever. Personally, I believe when people who are smart and intelligent say that there is this guy, who is even smarter and more ingelligent than them, something has to be going on. One of GG Lycos members, Slayer was a pioneer of brood war, as there are replays of him with an amazing +220 APM even 250 APM, in the times were BW Chart, replays, Vods, BW Coach, whatever program today exists that helps new players realize "HOW" skilled players play, simply didn't exist. He knew you had to be fast and hell he was fast. Moreover, his hotkey usage was minimal, meaning he probably was the fastest mouse Brood war player by a long shot. When seen live playing, his teammates regarded him also as not just a hotkey and mouse clicking insane spammer; his speedness was 100% justified and every click had an intention and reason. It is well known that Slayer invented 80% or more of modern brood war strategies, along with his close friend and ABS clan founder, Sven aka Sven@abs (another player that deserves to be at least cited), also friend and "hasu" clan founder, hasudrone (aka NTT) and GG Lycos team mate Maynard. The fantastic four. Citing Maynard's words "Slayer's creativity, timing and intelligence made him take Brood war to another level". It is unknown how many hours Slayer dedicated to BW, but probably practicing with Sven, NTT and Maynard, he became as good enough to know every strenght and weakness in every single matchup and sieze it to the maximum. Although initially random, Slayer eventually began racepicking TvZ, ZvT and, TvP or ZvP (depending on the map) he sporadically played PvT as well. In an astounding display of skill level, Slayer qualified and won the KBK League, defeating Intotherain in the semifinals (ZvP) and I_love_star in the finals (TvZ) 2-1, an astounding fact as he was totally unknown and favorites were, korean gosu players like I_love_star, intotherain, The marine, and of course Grrrr... . I really don't know if he went random all the way or he was already race picking at that time. When the 1.08 patch was released, a "1.07 Farewell Event" was hosted that featured "The best player of all time" (Grrrr...) vs "The best korean player at that time" (an unknown, unheralded Slayers`Boxer, ironically he himself would eventually become the greatest player of all time). The winner of this match, Boxer, was set up to then play the best european player (Slayer). He lost 0-3, but although the result doesn't seem, the games were a lot more better, evened, interesting and closer than the previous Grrr... vs Boxer match. Slayer quit playing Brood war right after this match vs Boxer, and even though he never actually said it, it was rumoured that he shared Maynard's and NTT's ideas with the replay release issue. His close friend Sven@abs kept playing and won WCG Norway 2001, and if I correctly recall he was top 8 at WCG, losing to Boxer somewhere. Slayer made a quick return to the brood war scene in 2002 joining a new clan forming to rivalize the solid [pG], called Electronic Sports United aka eSu, which featured a very very skilled lineup: SaFT, sven, Blackman, Dreame, and Slayer himself, but he rapidly left, and eSu dissappeared shortly afterwards. Again, Slayer made another quick comeback (supposedly less than 1 month of practice) to compete in WCG 2004 Norway qualifiers, losing in the semifinals to Stinger. Since then he hasn't been seen again. Extremely introverted and quiet, there is very few information known about Slayer's personality, personal life and past and current status. As I recall he never gave interviews. | ||
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On November 05 2005 02:45 Return wrote: but he did thou be in a documentary called Alias:Slayer which every starcraft player should see if they havent already. you could see how fast he was.. and that was KBK, which is like a trillionz years before the real pro-gaming ( apm shit & CO ) started.. He's so amazing fast :D:D | ||
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