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It's not that simple though. Not a lot of "old timers" (a lot of us came fewer than 3 years ago btw) can even begin to imagine moving into sc2 the way they loved broodwar.
1) SC2 is a good game. Possibly even a great game. But it just doesn't compare to broodwar in our eyes, and from the direction it's going it never will.
2) We were ok with that. We were satisfied enjoying what we still called Starcraft. When someone said starcraft, they meant broodwar. But that all changed when blizzard actively tried to shut it down. They attacked iccup and they attacked kespa, the two pillars of starcraft broodwar.
3) We were not ok with that. What started out as mild disappointment escalated into bitter hatred. This inferior product was being pushed to replace that which we loved. By its own creator, no less. We turned to our former enemy, KeSPA, to be the champion that would save the broodwar proscene. We put aside its outrageous rulings and technical failures to stand united against a common enemy.
4) This period of time saw the greatest animosity between fans of the two starcrafts. Broodwar fans were scared, we were vulnerable but determined. Countless forum-goers vowed never to play starcraft 2 if it meant the murder of broodwar. But deep inside we were all uncertain of our future. The extremists of Wings of Liberty, however, either held no mercy or wallowed in ignorance in this subject, openly rejoicing in the assassination of the veterans' idol. On our homeground, no less. The extremists would cross the wall built to keep the peace, for the sole purpose of desecrating our gods.
5) What other reaction could anyone have expected? The more fanatical of us ( fanatacists, if you may) saw no option other than to return fire, making out their intended successor's weaknesses to be much bigger than they were. A war erupted, and the peacekeepers struggled to disway violence. Even the more just veterans' view of SC2 became cynical.
6) Eventually, the war between the fans subsided along with the courtroom battles between KeSPA and ActiBlizz. Broodwar had bought itself a few more years, leading to cheers in the BW camp, and a couple belligerent grunts from the SC2 camp.
7) But the animosity never disappeared. As evident in this thread alone it's still going strong. Neither side has truly forgiven each other, and peace might never be achieved. We may still hope, but that hope is dimming, together with the star that is broodwar.
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On May 03 2012 10:38 Ribbon wrote:Bad as the SC2 community and their ESPORTS fervor can be, at least they haven't spent the past three years bitching, moaning, pissing, whining, raging, and praying for BW to fail so they have an excuse to feel even more persecuted and superior. At least I've actually supported the scene, and continue to do so with tournaments. What the fuck have you, or most of the people in this thread, ever done for BW? Nothing. So you don't get to feel superior just because you still have your BW purity ring. You're useless, worthless, and no benefit at all to the scene.
I beg to differ, there is a strong reason as to why TL had to create two separate threads for all the BW/sc2 news during the past few weeks. It's because the BW threads were plagued with sc2 babies coming in and sprouting juvenile crap about celebrating the death of bw, along with off handed remarks such as "I can't wait to see bw pros fail in sc2".
Also nice baseless assumptions, but I think you should get off your high horse before you embarrass yourself further.
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On May 03 2012 10:38 Ribbon wrote:Bad as the SC2 community and their ESPORTS fervor can be, at least they haven't spent the past three years bitching, moaning, pissing, whining, raging, and praying for BW to fail so they have an excuse to feel even more persecuted and superior. At least I've actually supported the scene, and continue to do so with tournaments. What the fuck have you, or most of the people in this thread, ever done for BW? Nothing. So you don't get to feel superior just because you still have your BW purity ring. You're useless, worthless, and no benefit at all to the scene.
Seriously dude? What is wrong with you? I don't want to feel superior to anybody. I want to fucking watch the game I love to watch. I get mad when people come in and tell me to try out something that I've already played more of then they have had, or when I'm told to move on or something like that, but I could care less about being "superior". I think BW is a better game than SC2. But that does not mean everyone has to think that, and they are perfectly free to watch as much SC2 as they want. If someone asks me why BW is better than SC2, I will tell them why. That's not me trying to be superior, it's just explaining my like.
I get it, there are a lot of assholes in the BW community, I don't disagree, but do not lump the entire community under such a label. Saying we have been praying for BW to fail is honestly one of the most insulting things I have every seen on these forums and I'm really disapointed you would think that.
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On May 03 2012 12:12 seRapH wrote:
It's not that simple though. Not a lot of "old timers" (a lot of us came fewer than 3 years ago btw) can even begin to imagine moving into sc2 the way they loved broodwar.
1) SC2 is a good game. Possibly even a great game. But it just doesn't compare to broodwar in our eyes, and from the direction it's going it never will.
2) We were ok with that. We were satisfied enjoying what we still called Starcraft. When someone said starcraft, they meant broodwar. But that all changed when blizzard actively tried to shut it down. They attacked iccup and they attacked kespa, the two pillars of starcraft broodwar.
3) We were not ok with that. What started out as mild disappointment escalated into bitter hatred. This inferior product was being pushed to replace that which we loved. By its own creator, no less. We turned to our former enemy, KeSPA, to be the champion that would save the broodwar proscene. We put aside its outrageous rulings and technical failures to stand united against a common enemy.
4) This period of time saw the greatest animosity between fans of the two starcrafts. Broodwar fans were scared, we were vulnerable but determined. Countless forum-goers vowed never to play starcraft 2 if it meant the murder of broodwar. But deep inside we were all uncertain of our future. The extremists of Wings of Liberty, however, either held no mercy or wallowed in ignorance in this subject, openly rejoicing in the assassination of the veterans' idol. On our homeground, no less. The extremists would cross the wall built to keep the peace, for the sole purpose of desecrating our gods.
5) What other reaction could anyone have expected? The more fanatical of us (fanatacists, if you may) saw no option other than to return fire, making out their intended successor's weaknesses to be much bigger than they were. A war erupted, and the peacekeepers struggled to disway violence. Even the more just veterans' view of SC2 became cynical.
6) Eventually, the war between the fans subsided along with the courtroom battles between KeSPA and ActiBlizz. Broodwar had bought itself a few more years, leading to cheers in the BW camp, and a couple belligerent grunts from the SC2 camp.
7) But the animosity never disappeared. As evident in this thread alone it's still going strong. Neither side has truly forgiven each other, and peace might never be achieved. We may still hope, but that hope is dimming, together with the star that is broodwar.
I dig your method of conveying deep contemplation as both of us appears to be at the identical page. I must add that the most abhorrent thought is that SC2 players randomly pops up out of nowhere and decide to trash our very much beloved recreational activity when as matter of fact, never even attempted to bring themselves to go on to ICCup. Perhaps it is fear. Fear that one may shrunk that boosted ego of brat with a spoiled heart. Fear that they maybe never taste the sweetness of victory again. Fear that the very basic foundation of their arguments is based on nothing substantial. And I, for one give in to the sweet gluttony of their bulging goosebumps.
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On May 03 2012 11:38 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 10:43 Taku wrote:On May 03 2012 10:38 Ribbon wrote:On May 03 2012 10:21 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:Wonderful @Ribbon it is wonderful that you are a Star2 guy, here, check this link, it is a place for people like you and hey, dont tell anyone but i've read somewhere that you got a victory in korea http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=19 Bad as the SC2 community and their ESPORTS fervor can be, at least they haven't spent the past three years bitching, moaning, pissing, whining, raging, and praying for BW to fail so they have an excuse to feel even more persecuted and superior. At least I've actually supported the scene, and continue to do so with tournaments. What the fuck have you, or most of the people in this thread, ever done for BW? Nothing. So you don't get to feel superior just because you still have your BW purity ring. You're useless, worthless, and no benefit at all to the scene. Well I guess we can all be useless, worthless, and of no benefit to dota2 now then. No loss for you too~ Also that's a perfect example of posting style as I mentioned, notice the harsh personal attacks and lack of actual argument, with a touch of whining. Well, that's just my perception at least, you don't see that as much over here eh? Are you serious? All the BW forum is now is whining and trolling. It's pure tribalism, and no one even cares about the games anymore, just about proving they're better than the other guy. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 10:49 Sawamura wrote:On May 03 2012 10:43 Taku wrote:On May 03 2012 10:38 Ribbon wrote:On May 03 2012 10:21 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:Wonderful @Ribbon it is wonderful that you are a Star2 guy, here, check this link, it is a place for people like you and hey, dont tell anyone but i've read somewhere that you got a victory in korea http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=19 Bad as the SC2 community and their ESPORTS fervor can be, at least they haven't spent the past three years bitching, moaning, pissing, whining, raging, and praying for BW to fail so they have an excuse to feel even more persecuted and superior. At least I've actually supported the scene, and continue to do so with tournaments. What the fuck have you, or most of the people in this thread, ever done for BW? Nothing. So you don't get to feel superior just because you still have your BW purity ring. You're useless, worthless, and no benefit at all to the scene. Well I guess we can all be useless, worthless, and of no benefit to dota2 now then. No loss for you too~ Yup no loss at all ~~ after all most of us are just leeches anyway. I don't think hosting a few tournaments is enough to say you have supported the scene . And what have you done? Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 10:51 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:On May 03 2012 10:38 Ribbon wrote:On May 03 2012 10:21 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:Wonderful @Ribbon it is wonderful that you are a Star2 guy, here, check this link, it is a place for people like you and hey, dont tell anyone but i've read somewhere that you got a victory in korea http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=19 Bad as the SC2 community and their ESPORTS fervor can be, at least they haven't spent the past three years bitching, moaning, pissing, whining, raging, and praying for BW to fail so they have an excuse to feel even more persecuted and superior. At least I've actually supported the scene, and continue to do so with tournaments. What the fuck have you, or most of the people in this thread, ever done for BW? Nothing. So you don't get to feel superior just because you still have your BW purity ring. You're useless, worthless, and no benefit at all to the scene. why are you bothered ? Because, unlike you, I care about BW. Not just getting to feel like a persecuted woe-is-me elite master race Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 11:32 sinistral wrote:On May 03 2012 10:16 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Also, another point to note, how exactly do you guys discern SC2 people from BW people? I'm confused with the 'SC2 people get out' calls. + Show Spoiler +SC2 fans - kids playing around a playground, yelling around, making up fights, crying to mum about not buying this soda drink which become immensely popular virally 2 years ago for them but adults don't really like it.
BW fans - fine class gentlemen wearing business suits tasting a 13 years old champagne talking about the finest of this champagne while also discussing which makers for 13 years old champagne produce the best champagne.
Just check the post history will do. It's easier to find 'BW people' because they always post in BW LR threads. + Show Spoiler +Then there's those adults that drink both champagne and that soda drink. I am disappoint. Like this guy. Look at this guy! He just wants to feel superior. Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 10:48 TrainSamurai wrote:On May 03 2012 10:38 Ribbon wrote:On May 03 2012 10:21 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote:Wonderful @Ribbon it is wonderful that you are a Star2 guy, here, check this link, it is a place for people like you and hey, dont tell anyone but i've read somewhere that you got a victory in korea http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=19 Bad as the SC2 community and their ESPORTS fervor can be, at least they haven't spent the past three years bitching, moaning, pissing, whining, raging, and praying for BW to fail so they have an excuse to feel even more persecuted and superior. At least I've actually supported the scene, and continue to do so with tournaments. What the fuck have you, or most of the people in this thread, ever done for BW? Nothing. So you don't get to feel superior just because you still have your BW purity ring. You're useless, worthless, and no benefit at all to the scene. I don't know about everyone else but I still play the game every now and then. What more do you want? I'm sad the scene is dead and getting replaced by an inferior game but I don't need a scene. I don't care about sharing BW with anyone because I'm perfectly happy with the game, if I lose iccup then so be it I will move on with life. Everyone contributes and volunteers for love of the game and community. I don't think someone like Kiett does things for e-peen, hopefully. If the scene dies I don't see whats wrong with things fizzling out. The differences is that you want something more and lashing out at people who just accepted the death of BW. Death isn't strictly a bad thing. The manner in which it is dying is another issue, this OSL is going to be fkn terrible. I'm not really aiming my vitriol at people like you, who enjoyed BW, and are now sad that it's going away. It's more at people like Sawamura, who were actively hurting it and are now trying to claim some bullshit moral high ground. Blaming other people for their own failures. That's what's getting me all in a dander.
What have I done huh ?
How about writing about 2011 in review for broodwar when no one bothered to do it ?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299585
Also I have uploaded numerous of old school msl fpvods thanks to moktira for uploading the sources for them
Edit : Laptop crash ... all fpvods are gone from my laptop I still believe you can download from the dl links moktira uploaded are in the thread..
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=272381
Hyping up my team for last year pro league season ? seriously how is my actions are hurting the broodwar ? I have always been supporting broodwar for the past few years even if it just means being there for every broodwar games that goes live.
Is that not enough for a bw fan ? Look maybe you have access to monetary funds but I will do what I can in terms of my capability for the scene . I don't mind writing articles for broodwar and if tl.net requires help I would gladly help them even though my writing's aren't that good compared to all the TL Final edits who are much more superior than me in terms of using the English language. I may not have the money but I am willing to do as much as I can for broodwar if it needs me .
Also I didn't like you singled me out and made an example out like this and call me as some sort of a scumbag who is now hurting the scene if that means rooting for my team, fanboying my players like hell on each game wishing they would easily owned the other team they are playing against is destroying broodwar . Than that's pretty great man.
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wow what a shitfest you guys
Timeline
BW fans: QQ bw die. i leave gl TL ggs best community nothing like sc2
Me: y u guys leave qq...
BW fans: SC2 not cool. I will now life.
Ribbon: srs u guys?
BW fans: YES I SRS  U FROM SC2 GTFO OF BW -or- I LIKE BW BUT IT DIE QQ
Ribbon: srs u guys?
srs u guys?
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Obviously this thread has some really facepalm worthy posts and expresses some pretty disturbing cult-like mentality from a lot of posters, but who exactly is Ribbon again? Why is he speaking with any kind of authority or standing?
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Aw man, I was hoping to post this in a couple years when it's more nostalgic, but if that many of you are really going to leave TL, I'd better not wait.
This is pretty much my favorite thread in TL history, or at least the slice of it that I was here for: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=101973
Good times 
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On May 03 2012 12:12 seRapH wrote:It's not that simple though. Not a lot of "old timers" (a lot of us came fewer than 3 years ago btw) can even begin to imagine moving into sc2 the way they loved broodwar. 1) SC2 is a good game. Possibly even a great game. But it just doesn't compare to broodwar in our eyes, and from the direction it's going it never will. 2) We were ok with that. We were satisfied enjoying what we still called Starcraft. When someone said starcraft, they meant broodwar. But that all changed when blizzard actively tried to shut it down. They attacked iccup and they attacked kespa, the two pillars of starcraft broodwar. 3) We were not ok with that. What started out as mild disappointment escalated into bitter hatred. This inferior product was being pushed to replace that which we loved. By its own creator, no less. We turned to our former enemy, KeSPA, to be the champion that would save the broodwar proscene. We put aside its outrageous rulings and technical failures to stand united against a common enemy. 4) This period of time saw the greatest animosity between fans of the two starcrafts. Broodwar fans were scared, we were vulnerable but determined. Countless forum-goers vowed never to play starcraft 2 if it meant the murder of broodwar. But deep inside we were all uncertain of our future. The extremists of Wings of Liberty, however, either held no mercy or wallowed in ignorance in this subject, openly rejoicing in the assassination of the veterans' idol. On our homeground, no less. The extremists would cross the wall built to keep the peace, for the sole purpose of desecrating our gods. 5) What other reaction could anyone have expected? The more fanatical of us ( fanatacists, if you may) saw no option other than to return fire, making out their intended successor's weaknesses to be much bigger than they were. A war erupted, and the peacekeepers struggled to disway violence. Even the more just veterans' view of SC2 became cynical. 6) Eventually, the war between the fans subsided along with the courtroom battles between KeSPA and ActiBlizz. Broodwar had bought itself a few more years, leading to cheers in the BW camp, and a couple belligerent grunts from the SC2 camp. 7) But the animosity never disappeared. As evident in this thread alone it's still going strong. Neither side has truly forgiven each other, and peace might never be achieved. We may still hope, but that hope is dimming, together with the star that is broodwar.
While your explanation is good (and accurate), you should mention that neither of those groups actually can be proved to represent the whole. For example, I'd imagine the larger BW community would be very bitter without the court battle when KeSPA announced a full SC2 transition.
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On May 03 2012 11:32 sinistral wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 10:16 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
Also, another point to note, how exactly do you guys discern SC2 people from BW people? I'm confused with the 'SC2 people get out' calls. + Show Spoiler +SC2 fans - kids playing around a playground, yelling around, making up fights, crying to mum about not buying this soda drink which become immensely popular virally 2 years ago for them but adults don't really like it.
BW fans - fine class gentlemen wearing business suits tasting a 13 years old champagne talking about the finest of this champagne while also discussing which makers for 13 years old champagne produce the best champagne.
Just check the post history will do. It's easier to find 'BW people' because they always post in BW LR threads. + Show Spoiler +Then there's those adults that drink both champagne and that soda drink. I am disappoint.
lol I wouldn't say it like that. BW has its kids too you know 
SC2 has nice posters as well~
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I'm just tired of being told I can't like BW because I don't hate SC2 enough for you guys.
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While I'm still an SC2 player/fan over broodwar, BW is something very special, almost perfect in many ways, and it's a shame that its scene will slowly crumble apart.
What I want to say mostly is that I sympathize with what this means for BW followers because the same thing happened to me when Street Fighter 4 released. I bought a PS3 for it, played it a bit, but ultimately the new wave of fighting games has nothing on Third Strike and Capcom vs. SNK 2 in my heart. Just a few months after SF4 released, the CVS2 scene at the arcade I frequented completely died. Just months prior you had to wait for 6 matches before it was your turn at the stick and in just a couple months time this diminished to maybe one guy who would be around and maybe, just maybe, would play a few matches for the fun of it. Now the machine is gone from Pinball Pete's and Evo removed CVS2 and SF3 from the tournament. My favorite players were playing SF4 and the lot of new fighters. New CVS2 play was basically non-existant and SF3 had shrunk to a fraction of its former glory.
This community that supports BW is much bigger and not eager to let go of the passion. You will never watch the scene completely die (maybe in like 10+ years). At worst I think it will remain much bigger than even SF3 is now. Enjoy it and support it until the absolute bitter end guys and gals.
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On May 03 2012 08:14 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 07:40 cuppatea wrote:On May 03 2012 07:18 sCCrooked wrote:
Please also keep in mind that this poll is incredibly inaccurate since sc2 people voted as well. If you want real numbers, just watch my peoples' reactions. The pros and fans sentiments will tell all. lol at "real numbers" being a few select quotes that support your viewpoint. In terms of the Western audience the real numbers are already in: SC2 is far more popular than BW ever was. On a site with hundreds of thousands of users you guys have only managed to get 414 people to admit that they will leave the community once KeSPA switches to SC2. You "SC2 is shit and so is anyone who likes it" guys are certainly vocal but in the grand scheme of things you're so insignificant in number you barely even register. The Korean numbers will come in once OGN starts showing Flash, Jaedong etc. playing SC2. Either people will keep watching, in which case those guys still have jobs, or they won't, in which case they'll have to start looking into a new career because their current one is over. Yeah Day9 uploaded like what 10 hours of Skyrim, a complete playthrough of Amnesia and however many hours of that other RPG. His SC2 content seems to be working out for him! Look at Husky's subscribers, when he started uploading SC2 content his subscriber count skyrocketed to 500 000 in just a few months, this was about 1 year ago. How many do you think he has now? 2 million? 3 million? No, he has just over 600 000. Psy has pretty stopped streaming for a while now and reguarly gets more views and likes on his Boshy videos, a dumnass game that consists of bullshit. And this is the western audience, the guys that allegedly love SC2 to death. It's already on the way out. People aren't upset because SC2 will replace BW, because it will never happen. We are mad because in one of their (hopefully) last attepts to keep SC2 afloat, Blizzard will severly disrupt and inconveience the BW scene. Some up and coming players might leave completely and the following shitstorm will stain e-sports' reputation. At the very least, the BW players don't deserve to be put through a year or rubbish just so Blizzard can go "WELP THAT DIDN'T WORK EITHER, TIME FOR ANOTHER EXPANSION I GUESS".
Those numbers are nothing relative to how much sc2 day9 streamd every day... He just streams popular RPG and (fan requested) amnesia once in a while.
Actually, i'm certain that all game content he streams are fan requested
You're talking about a week or two off of his DAILY TV running year long. Day9 has more viewers on his daily TV then back when started
Husky and psy subscribers aren't growing because, wait for it, competition. You realize how many broadcasters there are and how many DAILY tourney that are going on for sc2 right? All those are bound to cut down video consumptions or fans as it disperse the crowds. There are really not much of a reason to watch uploaded youtube version of a replay analysis when you can watch live games or live game analysis on a daily basis and almost at any time you want. There's always someone streaming and analysing games
sc2 is far more popular than broodwar ever will be in the western scene. this is undeniable truth. how are you comparing hundred thousands of viewers in large sc2 tourney when BW tourneys can't even draw a few thousand foreign viewers when being restreamed on TL?
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On May 03 2012 12:12 seRapH wrote:It's not that simple though. Not a lot of "old timers" (a lot of us came fewer than 3 years ago btw) can even begin to imagine moving into sc2 the way they loved broodwar. 1) SC2 is a good game. Possibly even a great game. But it just doesn't compare to broodwar in our eyes, and from the direction it's going it never will. 2) We were ok with that. We were satisfied enjoying what we still called Starcraft. When someone said starcraft, they meant broodwar. But that all changed when blizzard actively tried to shut it down. They attacked iccup and they attacked kespa, the two pillars of starcraft broodwar. 3) We were not ok with that. What started out as mild disappointment escalated into bitter hatred. This inferior product was being pushed to replace that which we loved. By its own creator, no less. We turned to our former enemy, KeSPA, to be the champion that would save the broodwar proscene. We put aside its outrageous rulings and technical failures to stand united against a common enemy. 4) This period of time saw the greatest animosity between fans of the two starcrafts. Broodwar fans were scared, we were vulnerable but determined. Countless forum-goers vowed never to play starcraft 2 if it meant the murder of broodwar. But deep inside we were all uncertain of our future. The extremists of Wings of Liberty, however, either held no mercy or wallowed in ignorance in this subject, openly rejoicing in the assassination of the veterans' idol. On our homeground, no less. The extremists would cross the wall built to keep the peace, for the sole purpose of desecrating our gods. 5) What other reaction could anyone have expected? The more fanatical of us ( fanatacists, if you may) saw no option other than to return fire, making out their intended successor's weaknesses to be much bigger than they were. A war erupted, and the peacekeepers struggled to disway violence. Even the more just veterans' view of SC2 became cynical. 6) Eventually, the war between the fans subsided along with the courtroom battles between KeSPA and ActiBlizz. Broodwar had bought itself a few more years, leading to cheers in the BW camp, and a couple belligerent grunts from the SC2 camp. 7) But the animosity never disappeared. As evident in this thread alone it's still going strong. Neither side has truly forgiven each other, and peace might never be achieved. We may still hope, but that hope is dimming, together with the star that is broodwar.
What this guy said.
I've tried both games. I prefer BW. I have watched a few "good" SC2 games each month to see how the game progresses. I'm not overly impressed. I guess I will make the switch, just because I like to see strategic realtime action, but I'd prefer to have BW stick around. It is the more exiting watching experience IMO, people saying otherwise just either don't get the depth, or is scared of pixels. There's so much skill, evolution even, that would simply be lost when all pros switched to SC2.
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On May 03 2012 14:14 Ribbon wrote:
I'm just tired of being told I can't like BW because I don't hate SC2 enough for you guys.
No one's telling you not to like BW, I'm just saying I don't want to be told to like SC2.
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On May 03 2012 16:52 Taku wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 14:14 Ribbon wrote:
I'm just tired of being told I can't like BW because I don't hate SC2 enough for you guys. No one's telling you not to like BW
Kim_Hyun_Han and Sawamura kind of are. I think people like them have probably scared off more than a few potential BW fans.
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On May 03 2012 12:27 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 12:12 seRapH wrote:
It's not that simple though. Not a lot of "old timers" (a lot of us came fewer than 3 years ago btw) can even begin to imagine moving into sc2 the way they loved broodwar.
1) SC2 is a good game. Possibly even a great game. But it just doesn't compare to broodwar in our eyes, and from the direction it's going it never will.
2) We were ok with that. We were satisfied enjoying what we still called Starcraft. When someone said starcraft, they meant broodwar. But that all changed when blizzard actively tried to shut it down. They attacked iccup and they attacked kespa, the two pillars of starcraft broodwar.
3) We were not ok with that. What started out as mild disappointment escalated into bitter hatred. This inferior product was being pushed to replace that which we loved. By its own creator, no less. We turned to our former enemy, KeSPA, to be the champion that would save the broodwar proscene. We put aside its outrageous rulings and technical failures to stand united against a common enemy.
4) This period of time saw the greatest animosity between fans of the two starcrafts. Broodwar fans were scared, we were vulnerable but determined. Countless forum-goers vowed never to play starcraft 2 if it meant the murder of broodwar. But deep inside we were all uncertain of our future. The extremists of Wings of Liberty, however, either held no mercy or wallowed in ignorance in this subject, openly rejoicing in the assassination of the veterans' idol. On our homeground, no less. The extremists would cross the wall built to keep the peace, for the sole purpose of desecrating our gods.
5) What other reaction could anyone have expected? The more fanatical of us (fanatacists, if you may) saw no option other than to return fire, making out their intended successor's weaknesses to be much bigger than they were. A war erupted, and the peacekeepers struggled to disway violence. Even the more just veterans' view of SC2 became cynical.
6) Eventually, the war between the fans subsided along with the courtroom battles between KeSPA and ActiBlizz. Broodwar had bought itself a few more years, leading to cheers in the BW camp, and a couple belligerent grunts from the SC2 camp.
7) But the animosity never disappeared. As evident in this thread alone it's still going strong. Neither side has truly forgiven each other, and peace might never be achieved. We may still hope, but that hope is dimming, together with the star that is broodwar. I dig your method of conveying deep contemplation as both of us appears to be at the identical page. I must add that the most abhorrent thought is that SC2 players randomly pops up out of nowhere and decide to trash our very much beloved recreational activity when as matter of fact, never even attempted to bring themselves to go on to ICCup. Perhaps it is fear. Fear that one may shrunk that boosted ego of brat with a spoiled heart. Fear that they maybe never taste the sweetness of victory again. Fear that the very basic foundation of their arguments is based on nothing substantial. And I, for one give in to the sweet gluttony of their bulging goosebumps.
That goes both ways, as a c- player on iccup, i get pretty sad, and dissapointed in BW guys when they trashtalk the shit out of Sc2, which i love just as much as BW
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On May 03 2012 17:22 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 16:52 Taku wrote:On May 03 2012 14:14 Ribbon wrote:
I'm just tired of being told I can't like BW because I don't hate SC2 enough for you guys. No one's telling you not to like BW Kim_Hyun_Han and Sawamura kind of are. I think people like them have probably scared off more than a few potential BW fans.
All I saw was them saying to take the SC2 pontification to the right section. Dunno, I guess this thread is a funeral of sorts to the BW pro scene, if that helps; treat it as such.
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I dig your method of conveying deep contemplation as both of us appears to be at the identical page. I must add that the most abhorrent thought is that SC2 players randomly pops up out of nowhere and decide to trash our very much beloved recreational activity when as matter of fact, never even attempted to bring themselves to go on to ICCup. Perhaps it is fear. Fear that one may shrunk that boosted ego of brat with a spoiled heart. Fear that they maybe never taste the sweetness of victory again. Fear that the very basic foundation of their arguments is based on nothing substantial. And I, for one give in to the sweet gluttony of their bulging goosebumps.
Something about your post really struck a chord with me, I think you are on to something. I watched BW for a long time before I played it competively. I must have lost like 50 times before I won my first game on Iccup. You are right BW is scary but not because it is hard, it is scary because you have to leave your gaming ego at the door. I honestly think that is the biggest hurdle for getting into BW, not the graphics or the age of the game. Compared to Sc2 where the AI pretty much sets you up to hit a home run every time. Win lose or draw you can say to yourself "well I got into the late game and my macro was decent it is just that toss is op" it is nothing but an ego stroke. People get ladder anxiety for Sc2 I would imagine they would get something much worse playing BW.
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