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Poland6595 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:54 Itachii wrote: BroodWar's perfection mixed up with SC2 just doesn't seem right.Forcing players and spectators to play, follow new game which they don't even enjoy and find overhyped is simply wrong.Oh well, I am gone when this switch occurs, long live BroodWar! Forcing? huh? Nobody is forced them into anything. You want to keep the BW scene as it is? That's perfectly fine. Just get your credit card out of your pocket and sponsor the BW scene with enough money for them to keep going. I promise, for the right amount of money they will keep airing and playing BW as long as you want. The PROFESSIONAL scene is run by money. You pump money into the scene it goes on, you stop the scene dies. SC2 is gaining ground because of money not because players in TL likes to ladder. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On April 21 2012 18:48 papaz wrote: Forcing? huh? Nobody is forced them into anything. You want to keep the BW scene as it is? That's perfectly fine. Just get your credit card out of your pocket and sponsor the BW scene with enough money for them to keep going. I promise, for the right amount of money they will keep airing and playing BW as long as you want. The PROFESSIONAL scene is run by money. You pump money into the scene it goes on, you stop the scene dies. SC2 is gaining ground because of money not because players in TL likes to ladder. Polt fighting Players have to switch to sc2 because they have to do it or lose their careers as pro gamer and if they don't they will have to retire not much of a choice . So basically it is forcing even though you don't like it .... For esports..... | ||
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SCnai
322 Posts
Very bitter and very true. The ability to name your game 'Starcraft' turned out in the end a much more useful skill to have than game design. | ||
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lbmaian
United States689 Posts
Lots of things that BW fans and SC2 fans can cherry-pick out of the interview. I do find it hilarious that SKT gets as much hate (or envy) from the coaches as from the fans here :p | ||
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
Simply put, it's a regrettable but necessary step to keep the progamers' jobs. I'll give it a shot and watch Fantasy play 1 or 2 games of sc2. If it fails to be entertaining then well... that's that. I was very opposed to this idea before reading the full interview; I'm still opposed, but I understand the situation better, and sadly I might be inclined to agree with the coaches that some BW is better than no BW. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
On April 21 2012 04:36 Gosi wrote: The thing that will suck with a switch is to see those players staying/switching to Protoss in sc2. Just the thought seeing Bisu play sc2 Protoss makes me cringe so bad. All that multitasking skill and possibility wasted because the race design punish you for multitasking because your race suck ass if it's not in a deathball and you have minimal harass potential... At least Terran and Zerg rewards good mechanics and can be a challenge to handle even with MBS because you have to hit injects and spread creep, do multipronged attacks, drop, split and kite etc during the fast phased gameplay than can occur. With Protoss you almost don't do anything. You make probes, pylons, press W every 40 seconds or whatever the warpgate cooldown is and then press where you want your units to spawn with your mouse, produce from your robo and upgrade when you have the tech. It's sad when you watch PvZ or PvT and look at the production tab, it's almost always empty for Protoss.  Its true, that's why Rainbow switched to terran | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5761 Posts
On April 21 2012 16:50 Lysanias wrote: For Broodwar elitists Sc2 would never have been a succes no matter what, you can't please people who don't want a change. If it was excactly the same as BW, they would say why bother ? We have BW. If it is different, they say it's not as good as BW And your done, typical human behavior tbh. So i don't understand why they all say they looked forward to Sc2, what did you guys expect ? What would you have wanted ? For me personaly i wanted Sc2 for the downtime when there was no Broodwar going on, i love broodwar but we don't see enough so much bloody downtime, for me Sc2 would be the game that i could watch next to Broodwar and i could be a fan of both, i never thought 1 would replace the other, still can't tbh. You don't have to make a carbon copy of BW to capture its spirit. Just look at Armies of Exigo and ask any BW player that played it - he'll tell you that AoX captured the beauty of BW WAY better than SC2 does. Blizzard practically missed all the key ingredients that make BW so good. Getting rid of rock-paper-scissors units and replacing them with units more similar to Marines vs. Banelings, adding real highground/defender's advantage, adding positional play units, getting rid of deathballs and stupid unit clumping (and don't tell me you can prevent that with micro because that's only possible when units stay still; as soon as order some command, they all clump up; not to mention it's more beneficial to have them clumped up most of the time anyway). There are a dozen things Blizzard could do to improve SC2 while making it similar to BW. It's not a coincidence that the gameplay aspects that even SC2-only players like the best about their game are those that are similar to BW. | ||
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
I think eventually in 1~2 years time, SC2 will grow in me and become the norm just like what SC1 was to me when the scene was hot. Im just glad that the sc1 progamers will continue to show their skills even if it means they are playing a new game rather than retiring and never seen again. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
On April 21 2012 16:21 Plexa wrote: It isn't even just the closing of MBC game. It's that since 2007 BW has been taking increasingly large hits which have turned off investors. By this I mean... - KeSPA selling PL rights to IEG and causing a huge mess - Savior and the match fixing fiasco - Blizzard lawsuits - Popularity of LoL/hands on approach of Riot All of these things make investing in BW less attractive Thanks for this. Yeah, I agree. In the end, its a matter of how the investors weigh their choices of investment. I can't blame them, its big money coming into this. | ||
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LEGAsee
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On April 21 2012 18:51 Sawamura wrote: Players have to switch to sc2 because they have to do it or lose their careers as pro gamer and if they don't they will have to retire not much of a choice . So basically it is forcing even though you don't like it .... For esports..... Nobody was forced throughout this whole saga: a) KESPA was not forced to switch to SC2. KESPA even got their license to broadcast BW legally from Blizzard. It was KESPA that was interested in obtaining broadcasting rights for SC2 from Blizzard, not the other way around. Blizzard even had to cancel their agreement with GOM that gave GOM exclusive rights to broadcast SC2 in Korea. b) MBC was not forced to abandon BW. MBC left BW by its own choice. c) KESPA can continue BW indefinitely but It's KESPA's fault that they cannot find a new sponsor. If KESPA had sponsors lined up, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On April 21 2012 19:39 YyapSsap wrote: Im just glad that the sc1 progamers will continue to show their skills even if it means they are playing a new game rather than retiring and never seen again. YyapSsap is one of the few posters that sees this the right way. Some of the posters in this thread are so destructive, they would rather see the destruction of all the careers of our BW heros rather than seeing our BW heros continue their careers in SC2. For example, some in this thread really wish that LoL takes over the e-sports scene and puts an end to all the careers of our BW heros. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On April 21 2012 20:55 ghostnuke1234 wrote: YyapSsap is one of the few posters that sees this the right way. Some of the posters in this thread are so destructive, they would rather see the destruction of all the careers of our BW heros rather than seeing our BW heros continue their careers in SC2. For example, some in this thread really wish that LoL takes over the e-sports scene and puts an end to all the careers of our BW heros. Our bw heroes ? huh Sorry but you can't own any one by law and slavery has been abolished in this age . Fun fact is I would rather see new games take over the scene like LoL and Dota2 . The game is really fun for those who are in to light gaming and it's probably is the future of e-sports . No one is going to spend time learning build orders and macro, micro over a game any more. All they want is to get right in to the action and start microing their heroes and playing with their friends . On April 21 2012 20:51 ghostnuke1234 wrote: Nobody was forced throughout this whole saga: a) KESPA was not forced to switch to SC2. KESPA even got their license to broadcast BW legally from Blizzard. It was KESPA that was interested in obtaining broadcasting rights for SC2 from Blizzard, not the other way around. Blizzard even had to cancel their agreement with GOM that gave GOM exclusive rights to broadcast SC2 in Korea. b) MBC was not forced to abandon BW. MBC left BW by its own choice. c) KESPA can continue BW indefinitely but It's KESPA's fault that they cannot find a new sponsor. If KESPA had sponsors lined up, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Not force to switch to sc2 ??? haha you are pulling my leg companies and future sponsor are curious about the foreign interest of sc2 already globally and in fact these is already enough to force kespa to change sc2 because sponsorship refusal to sponsor old broodwar . MBC game was forced to close down because business executives wants to cash on the Kpop Hype . Kespa is continuing BW in the mean time preparing it's audience for a full switch to sc2. | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On April 21 2012 20:55 ghostnuke1234 wrote: YyapSsap is one of the few posters that sees this the right way. Some of the posters in this thread are so destructive, they would rather see the destruction of all the careers of our BW heros rather than seeing our BW heros continue their careers in SC2. For example, some in this thread really wish that LoL takes over the e-sports scene and puts an end to all the careers of our BW heros. Just like when all the Micheal Jordan fans switched to baseball right? Fact is, alot of people here don't care for E-Sports or whatever, they loved BW and when that dies they move on. No we dont care about how great SC2 is going to be in 10 years or when X expansion is released. It's inferior watching/play atm and most people would rather move on. | ||
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
Thanks for the translation. Can't wait to see Brood war players fuck shit up. | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
Of course we would prefer if they still play BW, the iconic game that they love and have trained so hard for.But let's face it. The BW scene is dead. The money have dried up. No sponsors were willing to sponsor PL so that SK had to do it themselves. No one wanted to sponsor Team 8 which has premium players such as Jaedong , Baby, Sea. No one wanted to sponsor the OSL. If there were still sponsors available, there is no doubt that the teams , kespa, and the players would have done a BW only league. Instead, they have to transition to another game. They do both to slowly ease the players and the fans. It's possible that the fans will stick and follow the teams/players. Hell it's even possible that some sc2 sponsors and fans like BW and there can be a resurgence. | ||
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