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lexpoa
Brazil73 Posts
On April 21 2012 14:47 Enhancer_ wrote: Will the splash they make on the scene with their eventual switch really be as great as they think it is? Putting TBLS to play? Yeah. | ||
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
They at least have star power, though how many people want to see them play different game I don't know. | ||
white_horse
1019 Posts
That said, forcing players to practice for two totally different games is really going overboard. It has to be incredibly difficult to deal with it. The quality of gameplay is probably going to go down for both BW and SC2, and if this happens I'm leaving. Quality of spectating is what matters. | ||
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EGMachine
United States1643 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On April 21 2012 14:47 Enhancer_ wrote: It's concerning to see how little they speak of GSL and the actual current SC2 scene. It's as if they think it's a completely clean slate for them to work with, when, in reality, the game has been released for two years and has a scene that's established pretty well with zero involvement from them. I can see this kind of thinking leading to some very poor decisions. Why does being involved with the game longer matter? It's not like the SC2 scene today is dominated by beta players. | ||
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friendbg
Bulgaria576 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
i think bw still has legs. i don't like blizzard in control of SC2. blizzard did almost nothing for the state of BW that we see now. that's why i don't like any of the hype for any press conferences or for HotS because they never knew what they were doing in the first place. switching to sc2, even partially, surrenders a lot of control to them. they're at the mercy of their balance patches. there's no LAN, etc. i really think that if KeSPA did something to rope in non-koreans like they were saying, hell, if they were to actively promote amateur foreign bw leagues and training and do it the right way, we wouldn't have this conversation. instead, now we have them chasing SC2 money which is probably even less stable than BW. i'm not even an old timey fan. i'm a relatively new fan, watching since 2008. i don't think any game will ever be as long-lasting and well-tuned by the community as BW. why give it up? there's absolutely no need to switch. | ||
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Ero-Sennin
United States756 Posts
On April 21 2012 02:55 UTL_Unlimited wrote: That's the end. I think that the thing as us, the BW watchers, should understand is that even when the switch occurs, we should still root passionately for the players and the team, even if we don't like the game. I know that the BW elitists really enjoy BW (I grew up with it, I learned English from it, my life REVOLVED around BW. My daddy and I went to the fucking OSLs and shit and I got autograph from Grr when I was 5 woot!) but if we want the players to be able to play and still have a job, we should always be vocal and show our support and prove that the BW supporters, and more importantly, the player supporters still exist! So please don't trash SC2! I don't even play it but I am willing to at least 'accept it' if it means our players can still play! I think you summed that up very well. ^^ Thanks for that | ||
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Black[CAT]
Malaysia2589 Posts
On April 21 2012 15:00 EGMachine wrote: BW is such a great game, It's going to be very hard for SC2 to ever live up to the perfection that came with BW. Is this the real EGMachine? Cool~! | ||
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Apex
United States7226 Posts
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On April 21 2012 14:57 white_horse wrote: It's going to take time for things to settle down so I don't think people should just jump ship starting on day 1. There is always a chance for success (no matter how small) so we should give it a chance and see how things are like when they iron out all the creases and things start running more smoothly. That said, forcing players to practice for two totally different games is really going overboard. It has to be incredibly difficult to deal with it. The quality of gameplay is probably going to go down for both BW and SC2, and if this happens I'm leaving. Quality of spectating is what matters. Its gonna break alotta BW hearts knowing JD cant muta micro and Fantasy can't use vultures  and jangbi storms are a thing of the past even more bitter because these are things that can be added to improve the sequel but blizzard has been simply too pigheaded | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On April 21 2012 13:25 c3rberUs wrote: I don't know what things were lost in translation but it seems to me that the coaches wish for broodwar to continue, but the times are changing, and they(esports people in general) failed to make BW succeed further (globalization, better infrastructure) and communication with fans was ignored a bit. The closing of MBCgame definitely hit them hard as well. It isn't even just the closing of MBC game. It's that since 2007 BW has been taking increasingly large hits which have turned off investors. By this I mean... - KeSPA selling PL rights to IEG and causing a huge mess - Savior and the match fixing fiasco - Blizzard lawsuits - Popularity of LoL/hands on approach of Riot All of these things make investing in BW less attractive | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 21 2012 16:15 wassbix wrote: Its gonna break alotta BW hearts knowing JD cant muta micro and Fantasy can't use vultures and jangbi storms are a thing of the past even more bitter because these are things that can be added to improve the sequel but blizzard has been simply too pigheaded to be honest they aren't trying to make bw, they are trying to make it a different game. What's the point in making sc2 if it's going to be the exact same as bw? Muta micro wouldn't work btw in sc2 anyway, thors crush stacked muta's so you wouldn't want to do it anyway, vultures would need rebalancing otherwise mines would absolutely destroy zerg due to no detection except for overseer's.. I think blizzard not copying all bw units over is nice (although I do miss lurker :/). But having exact units added back it just sounds like you want bw which we already have. | ||
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
On April 21 2012 12:14 JieXian wrote: I've been hoping for a long time but Dustin Browder and his mindset is just seeming to be doing terrible terrible damge to the franchise right now... We'll just have to keep hoping I guess.. So true... Dustin Browder needs to pull his head outta his ass and use SC:BW and its near perfection to fucking influence SCII. What use is a sequel if it doesn't incorporate what made its predecessor the best? | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
If it was excactly the same as BW, they would say why bother ? We have BW. If it is different, they say it's not as good as BW And your done, typical human behavior tbh. So i don't understand why they all say they looked forward to Sc2, what did you guys expect ? What would you have wanted ? For me personaly i wanted Sc2 for the downtime when there was no Broodwar going on, i love broodwar but we don't see enough so much bloody downtime, for me Sc2 would be the game that i could watch next to Broodwar and i could be a fan of both, i never thought 1 would replace the other, still can't tbh. | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On April 21 2012 16:50 Lysanias wrote: For Broodwar elitists Sc2 would never have been a succes no matter what, you can't please people who don't want a change. If it was excactly the same as BW, they would say why bother ? We have BW. If it is different, they say it's not as good as BW And your done, typical human behavior tbh. So i don't understand why they all say they looked forward to Sc2, what did you guys expect ? What would you have wanted ? For me personaly i wanted Sc2 for the downtime when there was no Broodwar going on, i love broodwar but we don't see enough so much bloody downtime, for me Sc2 would be the game that i could watch next to Broodwar and i could be a fan of both, i never thought 1 would replace the other, still can't tbh. DOTA2 wants a word with you. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
On April 21 2012 16:50 Lysanias wrote: For Broodwar elitists Sc2 would never have been a succes no matter what, you can't please people who don't want a change. If it was excactly the same as BW, they would say why bother ? We have BW. If it is different, they say it's not as good as BW And your done, typical human behavior tbh. For you SC2 traitors, a BW elitist wouldn't be any good unless he embraced SC2 already even though you guys keep telling everyone that an expansion is coming and it'll change the game and get better and whatnot. Yeah this was not a very good move in a discussion and I used it to show you how senseless your move was. You have no authority to speak for a group of people to prove your point, yet you decided to do just that - typical human behavior tbh. Personally I'd be more than happy to see the legacy of BW living on and I'd support it if it was better. Not BW, just better than it's now. | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
Who would sponsor an OSL when it's been publicly said that the players are now practicing SC2 ? Fomos: But sure, when SC2 came out, SC1 suddenly felt old, and many felt an obligation to play SC2. STX Coach Lee: I think Blizzard named their new game very well. If the name of SC2 wasn’t “StarCraft 2”, I’m quite certain we wouldn’t even need to have this talk right now. This really made me sad | ||
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
On April 21 2012 16:32 blade55555 wrote: to be honest they aren't trying to make bw, they are trying to make it a different game. What's the point in making sc2 if it's going to be the exact same as bw? Muta micro wouldn't work btw in sc2 anyway, thors crush stacked muta's so you wouldn't want to do it anyway, vultures would need rebalancing otherwise mines would absolutely destroy zerg due to no detection except for overseer's.. I think blizzard not copying all bw units over is nice (although I do miss lurker :/). But having exact units added back it just sounds like you want bw which we already have. Do you realize how nonsensical this sounds given that HT and Mutas exist in SC2 just with the complexicity ripped from them. Thor countering muta stacks doesn't excuse removal of muta-stacking, its not like storms or valks didn't counter mutas in BW as well. Unless your point is that SC2 removed complexicity from the starcraft franchise and if so I agree in a bad way. | ||
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Archers_bane
United States1338 Posts
On April 21 2012 18:05 endy wrote: My biggest concern is that when they admit they are practicing SC2, they are sabotaging the upcoming OSL. Who would sponsor an OSL when it's been publicly said that the players are now practicing SC2 ? This really made me sad wow, yes...That sucks | ||
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