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lexpoa
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil73 Posts
April 21 2012 05:50 GMT
#621
On April 21 2012 14:47 Enhancer_ wrote:
Will the splash they make on the scene with their eventual switch really be as great as they think it is?


Putting TBLS to play? Yeah.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 05:53:11
April 21 2012 05:52 GMT
#622
On April 21 2012 14:50 lexpoa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 14:47 Enhancer_ wrote:
Will the splash they make on the scene with their eventual switch really be as great as they think it is?


Putting TBLS to play? Yeah.

They at least have star power, though how many people want to see them play different game I don't know.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 05:58:04
April 21 2012 05:57 GMT
#623
It's going to take time for things to settle down so I don't think people should just jump ship starting on day 1. There is always a chance for success (no matter how small) so we should give it a chance and see how things are like when they iron out all the creases and things start running more smoothly.

That said, forcing players to practice for two totally different games is really going overboard. It has to be incredibly difficult to deal with it. The quality of gameplay is probably going to go down for both BW and SC2, and if this happens I'm leaving. Quality of spectating is what matters.
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EGMachine
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1643 Posts
April 21 2012 06:00 GMT
#624
BW is such a great game, It's going to be very hard for SC2 to ever live up to the perfection that came with BW.
I'm like, the coolest
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
April 21 2012 06:01 GMT
#625
On April 21 2012 14:47 Enhancer_ wrote:
It's concerning to see how little they speak of GSL and the actual current SC2 scene. It's as if they think it's a completely clean slate for them to work with, when, in reality, the game has been released for two years and has a scene that's established pretty well with zero involvement from them. I can see this kind of thinking leading to some very poor decisions.


Why does being involved with the game longer matter? It's not like the SC2 scene today is dominated by beta players.
Meh
friendbg
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria576 Posts
April 21 2012 06:08 GMT
#626
at least they are not retiering. We will still be able to watch them
Why leave today's work for tomorrow, when you can do it the day after
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
April 21 2012 06:13 GMT
#627
ugh, depressing.

i think bw still has legs.

i don't like blizzard in control of SC2. blizzard did almost nothing for the state of BW that we see now. that's why i don't like any of the hype for any press conferences or for HotS because they never knew what they were doing in the first place. switching to sc2, even partially, surrenders a lot of control to them. they're at the mercy of their balance patches. there's no LAN, etc.

i really think that if KeSPA did something to rope in non-koreans like they were saying, hell, if they were to actively promote amateur foreign bw leagues and training and do it the right way, we wouldn't have this conversation. instead, now we have them chasing SC2 money which is probably even less stable than BW.

i'm not even an old timey fan. i'm a relatively new fan, watching since 2008.
i don't think any game will ever be as long-lasting and well-tuned by the community as BW. why give it up? there's absolutely no need to switch.
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
April 21 2012 06:14 GMT
#628
On April 21 2012 02:55 UTL_Unlimited wrote:
That's the end. I think that the thing as us, the BW watchers, should understand is that even when the switch occurs, we should still root passionately for the players and the team, even if we don't like the game. I know that the BW elitists really enjoy BW (I grew up with it, I learned English from it, my life REVOLVED around BW. My daddy and I went to the fucking OSLs and shit and I got autograph from Grr when I was 5 woot!) but if we want the players to be able to play and still have a job, we should always be vocal and show our support and prove that the BW supporters, and more importantly, the player supporters still exist!
So please don't trash SC2! I don't even play it but I am willing to at least 'accept it' if it means our players can still play!


I think you summed that up very well. ^^ Thanks for that
Luck makes talent look like genius.
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
April 21 2012 06:28 GMT
#629
On April 21 2012 15:00 EGMachine wrote:
BW is such a great game, It's going to be very hard for SC2 to ever live up to the perfection that came with BW.


Is this the real EGMachine? Cool~!
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
April 21 2012 06:50 GMT
#630
lol the current SC2 players are probably sweating bullets now. If someone like Flash who has no idea what units do still manages to get to GM, with practice, he's probably going to wipe the floor with them.

wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 07:16:47
April 21 2012 07:15 GMT
#631
On April 21 2012 14:57 white_horse wrote:
It's going to take time for things to settle down so I don't think people should just jump ship starting on day 1. There is always a chance for success (no matter how small) so we should give it a chance and see how things are like when they iron out all the creases and things start running more smoothly.

That said, forcing players to practice for two totally different games is really going overboard. It has to be incredibly difficult to deal with it. The quality of gameplay is probably going to go down for both BW and SC2, and if this happens I'm leaving. Quality of spectating is what matters.


Its gonna break alotta BW hearts knowing JD cant muta micro and Fantasy can't use vultures

and jangbi storms are a thing of the past

even more bitter because these are things that can be added to improve the sequel but blizzard has been simply too pigheaded
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 21 2012 07:21 GMT
#632
On April 21 2012 13:25 c3rberUs wrote:
I don't know what things were lost in translation but it seems to me that the coaches wish for broodwar to continue, but the times are changing, and they(esports people in general) failed to make BW succeed further (globalization, better infrastructure) and communication with fans was ignored a bit.

The closing of MBCgame definitely hit them hard as well.

It isn't even just the closing of MBC game. It's that since 2007 BW has been taking increasingly large hits which have turned off investors. By this I mean...
- KeSPA selling PL rights to IEG and causing a huge mess
- Savior and the match fixing fiasco
- Blizzard lawsuits
- Popularity of LoL/hands on approach of Riot

All of these things make investing in BW less attractive
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
April 21 2012 07:32 GMT
#633
On April 21 2012 16:15 wassbix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 14:57 white_horse wrote:
It's going to take time for things to settle down so I don't think people should just jump ship starting on day 1. There is always a chance for success (no matter how small) so we should give it a chance and see how things are like when they iron out all the creases and things start running more smoothly.

That said, forcing players to practice for two totally different games is really going overboard. It has to be incredibly difficult to deal with it. The quality of gameplay is probably going to go down for both BW and SC2, and if this happens I'm leaving. Quality of spectating is what matters.


Its gonna break alotta BW hearts knowing JD cant muta micro and Fantasy can't use vultures

and jangbi storms are a thing of the past

even more bitter because these are things that can be added to improve the sequel but blizzard has been simply too pigheaded


to be honest they aren't trying to make bw, they are trying to make it a different game. What's the point in making sc2 if it's going to be the exact same as bw? Muta micro wouldn't work btw in sc2 anyway, thors crush stacked muta's so you wouldn't want to do it anyway, vultures would need rebalancing otherwise mines would absolutely destroy zerg due to no detection except for overseer's..

I think blizzard not copying all bw units over is nice (although I do miss lurker :/). But having exact units added back it just sounds like you want bw which we already have.
When I think of something else, something will go here
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
April 21 2012 07:48 GMT
#634
On April 21 2012 12:14 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 11:53 Ksquared wrote:
I just hope that SC2 becomes just as good as BW in the future.


I've been hoping for a long time but Dustin Browder and his mindset is just seeming to be doing terrible terrible damge to the franchise right now...

We'll just have to keep hoping I guess..

Show nested quote +
STX Coach Lee: I think Blizzard named their new game very well. If the name of SC2 wasn’t “StarCraft 2”, I’m quite certain we wouldn’t even need to have this talk right now.



So true... Dustin Browder needs to pull his head outta his ass and use SC:BW and its near perfection to fucking influence SCII. What use is a sequel if it doesn't incorporate what made its predecessor the best?
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
April 21 2012 07:50 GMT
#635
For Broodwar elitists Sc2 would never have been a succes no matter what, you can't please people who don't want a change.
If it was excactly the same as BW, they would say why bother ? We have BW.
If it is different, they say it's not as good as BW
And your done, typical human behavior tbh.

So i don't understand why they all say they looked forward to Sc2, what did you guys expect ? What would you have wanted ?

For me personaly i wanted Sc2 for the downtime when there was no Broodwar going on, i love broodwar but we don't see enough so much bloody downtime, for me Sc2 would be the game that i could watch next to Broodwar and i could be a fan of both, i never thought 1 would replace the other, still can't tbh.

ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
April 21 2012 08:05 GMT
#636
On April 21 2012 16:50 Lysanias wrote:
For Broodwar elitists Sc2 would never have been a succes no matter what, you can't please people who don't want a change.
If it was excactly the same as BW, they would say why bother ? We have BW.
If it is different, they say it's not as good as BW
And your done, typical human behavior tbh.

So i don't understand why they all say they looked forward to Sc2, what did you guys expect ? What would you have wanted ?

For me personaly i wanted Sc2 for the downtime when there was no Broodwar going on, i love broodwar but we don't see enough so much bloody downtime, for me Sc2 would be the game that i could watch next to Broodwar and i could be a fan of both, i never thought 1 would replace the other, still can't tbh.


DOTA2 wants a word with you.
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
April 21 2012 08:21 GMT
#637
On April 21 2012 16:50 Lysanias wrote:
For Broodwar elitists Sc2 would never have been a succes no matter what, you can't please people who don't want a change.
If it was excactly the same as BW, they would say why bother ? We have BW.
If it is different, they say it's not as good as BW
And your done, typical human behavior tbh.

For you SC2 traitors, a BW elitist wouldn't be any good unless he embraced SC2 already even though you guys keep telling everyone that an expansion is coming and it'll change the game and get better and whatnot.

Yeah this was not a very good move in a discussion and I used it to show you how senseless your move was. You have no authority to speak for a group of people to prove your point, yet you decided to do just that - typical human behavior tbh.

Personally I'd be more than happy to see the legacy of BW living on and I'd support it if it was better. Not BW, just better than it's now.
En Taro Violet
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
April 21 2012 09:05 GMT
#638
My biggest concern is that when they admit they are practicing SC2, they are sabotaging the upcoming OSL.
Who would sponsor an OSL when it's been publicly said that the players are now practicing SC2 ?


Fomos: But sure, when SC2 came out, SC1 suddenly felt old, and many felt an obligation to play SC2.

STX Coach Lee: I think Blizzard named their new game very well. If the name of SC2 wasn’t “StarCraft 2”, I’m quite certain we wouldn’t even need to have this talk right now.


This really made me sad

ॐ
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
April 21 2012 09:19 GMT
#639
On April 21 2012 16:32 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 16:15 wassbix wrote:
On April 21 2012 14:57 white_horse wrote:
It's going to take time for things to settle down so I don't think people should just jump ship starting on day 1. There is always a chance for success (no matter how small) so we should give it a chance and see how things are like when they iron out all the creases and things start running more smoothly.

That said, forcing players to practice for two totally different games is really going overboard. It has to be incredibly difficult to deal with it. The quality of gameplay is probably going to go down for both BW and SC2, and if this happens I'm leaving. Quality of spectating is what matters.


Its gonna break alotta BW hearts knowing JD cant muta micro and Fantasy can't use vultures

and jangbi storms are a thing of the past

even more bitter because these are things that can be added to improve the sequel but blizzard has been simply too pigheaded


to be honest they aren't trying to make bw, they are trying to make it a different game. What's the point in making sc2 if it's going to be the exact same as bw? Muta micro wouldn't work btw in sc2 anyway, thors crush stacked muta's so you wouldn't want to do it anyway, vultures would need rebalancing otherwise mines would absolutely destroy zerg due to no detection except for overseer's..

I think blizzard not copying all bw units over is nice (although I do miss lurker :/). But having exact units added back it just sounds like you want bw which we already have.


Do you realize how nonsensical this sounds given that HT and Mutas exist in SC2 just with the complexicity ripped from them. Thor countering muta stacks doesn't excuse removal of muta-stacking, its not like storms or valks didn't counter mutas in BW as well. Unless your point is that SC2 removed complexicity from the starcraft franchise and if so I agree in a bad way.
Archers_bane
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1338 Posts
April 21 2012 09:20 GMT
#640
On April 21 2012 18:05 endy wrote:
My biggest concern is that when they admit they are practicing SC2, they are sabotaging the upcoming OSL.
Who would sponsor an OSL when it's been publicly said that the players are now practicing SC2 ?


Show nested quote +
Fomos: But sure, when SC2 came out, SC1 suddenly felt old, and many felt an obligation to play SC2.

STX Coach Lee: I think Blizzard named their new game very well. If the name of SC2 wasn’t “StarCraft 2”, I’m quite certain we wouldn’t even need to have this talk right now.


This really made me sad




wow, yes...That sucks
Starcraft's BW glory days have passed, RIP Jaedong's dominance - 2013...EDIT 2017: WE BACK BOYS
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