On April 21 2012 02:30 rotinegg wrote: Just a quick note about SKT vs T8 in SC2 happening, I think there was a slight mistranslation.. It was a SC1 battle that T8 beat SKT in 4:2.
주훈 - ...이건 여담인데 프로리그 결승전 때 저희가 SK텔레콤의 스파링 파트너를 해줬거든요. 사실 우리 팀은 포스트시즌에서 일찍 탈락해서 그때도 스타2만 연습하고 있었어요. 스타2만 하던 선수들이 갑자기 스타1을 다시 하려니까 처음에는 ‘화면에 랙이 걸린 것 같다’부터 시작해서 웅성웅성 대더라고요. 단축키를 헷갈려 하는 선수들도 많았고. 그런데 또 그 날 오후가 되니까 그런 말들이 쏙 들어가요. 실제로 연습 경기도 잘 했고 오히려 우리 선수들이 SK텔레콤 선수들을 4:2로 이겼죠(웃음). 또 스타2가 굉장히 빠르다 보니까 스타1 컨트롤이 더 좋아지는 선수들도 있더라고요. 처음에는 불평불만이 생기겠지만 계속 하다 보면 잘 적응할 것 같기도 해요.
= Coach Ju: This is just a side note, but T8 was SKT's sparring partner for the PL finals. Honestly, after having been knocked out of playoffs, we had been practicing only SC2. When our players had to go back to playing SC1 all the sudden [for SKT to practice], people were saying stuff like 'I feel like the screen is lagging.' Lots of them were confusing hotkeys, also. However, by afternoon, the complaints subsided completely. Our players actually performed well in the practice games and even beat SKT 4:2 (laughs). Also, due to SC2's fast-paced gameplay, some players actually improved their SC1 mechanics. There will be complaints initially, but I feel that, with time, the players will adapt quite well.
Thanks for the translations though! Interesting news... sad news... ;_;
IdrA's best OSL prelim run was after he had already quit BW and switched to SC2 Beta for months and only had a few days preparation, if that.
On April 21 2012 02:40 Elbonbunny wrote: I've got a serious questions, Why don't kespa use the SC2:BW and that way BW does not die and they get the benfits of the improved graphics and ops controls
Well the game looks funny. Depo is same size as CC. It is better to stick to BW than do this.
On April 21 2012 02:30 rotinegg wrote: Just a quick note about SKT vs T8 in SC2 happening, I think there was a slight mistranslation.. It was a SC1 battle that T8 beat SKT in 4:2.
주훈 - ...이건 여담인데 프로리그 결승전 때 저희가 SK텔레콤의 스파링 파트너를 해줬거든요. 사실 우리 팀은 포스트시즌에서 일찍 탈락해서 그때도 스타2만 연습하고 있었어요. 스타2만 하던 선수들이 갑자기 스타1을 다시 하려니까 처음에는 ‘화면에 랙이 걸린 것 같다’부터 시작해서 웅성웅성 대더라고요. 단축키를 헷갈려 하는 선수들도 많았고. 그런데 또 그 날 오후가 되니까 그런 말들이 쏙 들어가요. 실제로 연습 경기도 잘 했고 오히려 우리 선수들이 SK텔레콤 선수들을 4:2로 이겼죠(웃음). 또 스타2가 굉장히 빠르다 보니까 스타1 컨트롤이 더 좋아지는 선수들도 있더라고요. 처음에는 불평불만이 생기겠지만 계속 하다 보면 잘 적응할 것 같기도 해요.
= Coach Ju: This is just a side note, but T8 was SKT's sparring partner for the PL finals. Honestly, after having been knocked out of playoffs, we had been practicing only SC2. When our players had to go back to playing SC1 all the sudden [for SKT to practice], people were saying stuff like 'I feel like the screen is lagging.' Lots of them were confusing hotkeys, also. However, by afternoon, the complaints subsided completely. Our players actually performed well in the practice games and even beat SKT 4:2 (laughs). Also, due to SC2's fast-paced gameplay, some players actually improved their SC1 mechanics. There will be complaints initially, but I feel that, with time, the players will adapt quite well.
Thanks for the translations though! Interesting news... sad news... ;_;
IdrA's best OSL prelim run was after he had already quit BW and switched to SC2 Beta for months and only had a few days preparation, if that.
^ I remember that, he actually beat GoRush 2:1 to advance one round.. forget what happened after that but I don't think he got through the next opponent..
So this is how it ends I feel so helpless -_-, and not to mention irked at how they lament the difficulties of the Foreign scene. WE ARE the foreign scene T_T we've been supporting BW for years and years :'( we were here all along...
What will amuse me though is seeing the former MBCGame HERO players destroy everyone in Star2
Ill keep a casual interest in my favourite players, but apart from that, Im not interested in Star2. Ill keep up with it for the last generation to phase out (TBLS going to the army basically) and then Im done. Its been a pleasure everyone.
On April 21 2012 02:30 rotinegg wrote: Just a quick note about SKT vs T8 in SC2 happening, I think there was a slight mistranslation.. It was a SC1 battle that T8 beat SKT in 4:2.
주훈 - ...이건 여담인데 프로리그 결승전 때 저희가 SK텔레콤의 스파링 파트너를 해줬거든요. 사실 우리 팀은 포스트시즌에서 일찍 탈락해서 그때도 스타2만 연습하고 있었어요. 스타2만 하던 선수들이 갑자기 스타1을 다시 하려니까 처음에는 ‘화면에 랙이 걸린 것 같다’부터 시작해서 웅성웅성 대더라고요. 단축키를 헷갈려 하는 선수들도 많았고. 그런데 또 그 날 오후가 되니까 그런 말들이 쏙 들어가요. 실제로 연습 경기도 잘 했고 오히려 우리 선수들이 SK텔레콤 선수들을 4:2로 이겼죠(웃음). 또 스타2가 굉장히 빠르다 보니까 스타1 컨트롤이 더 좋아지는 선수들도 있더라고요. 처음에는 불평불만이 생기겠지만 계속 하다 보면 잘 적응할 것 같기도 해요.
= Coach Ju: This is just a side note, but T8 was SKT's sparring partner for the PL finals. Honestly, after having been knocked out of playoffs, we had been practicing only SC2. When our players had to go back to playing SC1 all the sudden [for SKT to practice], people were saying stuff like 'I feel like the screen is lagging.' Lots of them were confusing hotkeys, also. However, by afternoon, the complaints subsided completely. Our players actually performed well in the practice games and even beat SKT 4:2 (laughs). Also, due to SC2's fast-paced gameplay, some players actually improved their SC1 mechanics. There will be complaints initially, but I feel that, with time, the players will adapt quite well.
Thanks for the translations though! Interesting news... sad news... ;_;
IdrA's best OSL prelim run was after he had already quit BW and switched to SC2 Beta for months and only had a few days preparation, if that.
^ I remember that, he actually beat GoRush 2:1 to advance one round.. forget what happened after that but I don't think he got through the next opponent..
He lost 1-2 to Jaehoon. During an interview he said he could have taken the series if not for some dumb mistakes, having thrown away a won game.
On April 21 2012 02:30 rotinegg wrote: Just a quick note about SKT vs T8 in SC2 happening, I think there was a slight mistranslation.. It was a SC1 battle that T8 beat SKT in 4:2.
주훈 - ...이건 여담인데 프로리그 결승전 때 저희가 SK텔레콤의 스파링 파트너를 해줬거든요. 사실 우리 팀은 포스트시즌에서 일찍 탈락해서 그때도 스타2만 연습하고 있었어요. 스타2만 하던 선수들이 갑자기 스타1을 다시 하려니까 처음에는 ‘화면에 랙이 걸린 것 같다’부터 시작해서 웅성웅성 대더라고요. 단축키를 헷갈려 하는 선수들도 많았고. 그런데 또 그 날 오후가 되니까 그런 말들이 쏙 들어가요. 실제로 연습 경기도 잘 했고 오히려 우리 선수들이 SK텔레콤 선수들을 4:2로 이겼죠(웃음). 또 스타2가 굉장히 빠르다 보니까 스타1 컨트롤이 더 좋아지는 선수들도 있더라고요. 처음에는 불평불만이 생기겠지만 계속 하다 보면 잘 적응할 것 같기도 해요.
= Coach Ju: This is just a side note, but T8 was SKT's sparring partner for the PL finals. Honestly, after having been knocked out of playoffs, we had been practicing only SC2. When our players had to go back to playing SC1 all the sudden [for SKT to practice], people were saying stuff like 'I feel like the screen is lagging.' Lots of them were confusing hotkeys, also. However, by afternoon, the complaints subsided completely. Our players actually performed well in the practice games and even beat SKT 4:2 (laughs). Also, due to SC2's fast-paced gameplay, some players actually improved their SC1 mechanics. There will be complaints initially, but I feel that, with time, the players will adapt quite well.
Thanks for the translations though! Interesting news... sad news... ;_;
IdrA's best OSL prelim run was after he had already quit BW and switched to SC2 Beta for months and only had a few days preparation, if that.
^ I remember that, he actually beat GoRush 2:1 to advance one round.. forget what happened after that but I don't think he got through the next opponent..
he lost to jaehoon 2-1 if i recall correctly e: too slow tt anyways i lol'd when i read the flash part
On April 21 2012 02:30 rotinegg wrote: Just a quick note about SKT vs T8 in SC2 happening, I think there was a slight mistranslation.. It was a SC1 battle that T8 beat SKT in 4:2.
주훈 - ...이건 여담인데 프로리그 결승전 때 저희가 SK텔레콤의 스파링 파트너를 해줬거든요. 사실 우리 팀은 포스트시즌에서 일찍 탈락해서 그때도 스타2만 연습하고 있었어요. 스타2만 하던 선수들이 갑자기 스타1을 다시 하려니까 처음에는 ‘화면에 랙이 걸린 것 같다’부터 시작해서 웅성웅성 대더라고요. 단축키를 헷갈려 하는 선수들도 많았고. 그런데 또 그 날 오후가 되니까 그런 말들이 쏙 들어가요. 실제로 연습 경기도 잘 했고 오히려 우리 선수들이 SK텔레콤 선수들을 4:2로 이겼죠(웃음). 또 스타2가 굉장히 빠르다 보니까 스타1 컨트롤이 더 좋아지는 선수들도 있더라고요. 처음에는 불평불만이 생기겠지만 계속 하다 보면 잘 적응할 것 같기도 해요.
= Coach Ju: This is just a side note, but T8 was SKT's sparring partner for the PL finals. Honestly, after having been knocked out of playoffs, we had been practicing only SC2. When our players had to go back to playing SC1 all the sudden [for SKT to practice], people were saying stuff like 'I feel like the screen is lagging.' Lots of them were confusing hotkeys, also. However, by afternoon, the complaints subsided completely. Our players actually performed well in the practice games and even beat SKT 4:2 (laughs). Also, due to SC2's fast-paced gameplay, some players actually improved their SC1 mechanics. There will be complaints initially, but I feel that, with time, the players will adapt quite well.
Thanks for the translations though! Interesting news... sad news... ;_;
IdrA's best OSL prelim run was after he had already quit BW and switched to SC2 Beta for months and only had a few days preparation, if that.
^ I remember that, he actually beat GoRush 2:1 to advance one round.. forget what happened after that but I don't think he got through the next opponent..
He lost 1-2 to Jaehoon. During an interview he said he could have taken the series if not for some dumb mistakes, having thrown away a won game.
I'm pretty sure there was some cheese involved too.
8) Team8 Coach wants SC1 to exist as a "Living Legend", but they feel that when the SC2 switch occurs, then it will lead to people saying later on in life, "why the hell did we play this shitty old game SC1 for so long". This is because SC1 only really existed in Korea and nowhere else. He doesn't want SC1 to be just thrown away after leaving such a mark in the community, and wants some form of existence for SC1.
Optical shot translation was much better than this .... Thank you optical shot ^_^
Opti
Team 8 Coach Joo: When I meet with corporate executives, I can definitely feel the tensions and worries. Despite that, my personal wish is for StarCraft 1 to fade away as a legend, but maybe in the future we’d say the same thing about StarCraft 2. None of us can stop the flow of time. The reality is that not a single country outside Korea has an offline StarCraft 1 league right now. In the times where eSports is going global, we can’t help but choose StarCraft 2. The times demand that we play both SC1 and SC2. Soon the proleague will be completely SC2, but I dearly wish that we don’t abandon SC1, which has led and carried eSports for the past decade. Personally, I wish that SC1 would continue, even if the league is much smaller and shorter.
Man ... utl translation and the word he chooses to convey really made me doubt the guy's objectivity in translation ....
Continuing on from previous post: 16) SKT mentions that they only practiced for 2 weeks and then because of proleague, couldn't play it really anymore.
17) One of the coaches mentioned that actually the recent proleague was supposed to be SC2 proleague because KESPA strongly suggested that they would use SC2. So they practiced for SC2, and then when it was SC1, the team went wtf and didn't do so well this league (Kim Un Dong...whose coach is that? Apparently Woonjin?) SKT Coach was apparently on the same boat: when the new maps came out, he was just baffled.
18) Apparently Woonjin gets the fastest information in regards to what happens in Proleague (whether or not SC2 will be used or not) Or so the SKT coach says.
19) Kim un Dong mentions that a lot of his players are GM and that in the beginning, the players felt they were forced to play, but after playing a LOT of games, they really enjoy playing SC2 now.
20) Kim Ga Ul (Samsung Khan Coach) mentioned that her team's practice regiment is so strict that they haven't done almost anything with SC2. She believes that Samsung will do the worst when SC2 appears. (If team's practice regiment is so strict, why is Stork so cell phone game savvy...?)
21) KT coach is worried that with the new SC2 implementation, with only one gaming channel and the number of games reduced, will put even more conditions that will be simply too much for the scene.However, he also believes that with the new game, more offline tournaments and events can be planned, so it might bring a new refreshing feeling to the scene.
22) Team 8 coach wishes that OGN will do something with SC2 before the actual proleague. Having informational programs that explain what Starcraft 2 is needed so that the commentary can still be at its high level analysis and the fans will understand the game before watching.
23) All coaches agree that the fans must be thought of first since even if the players show good games, if the fans don't know what's going on, no result will show. Since there's not much time left, action must be taken quickly. Apparently their used to be a program called "Yong Teacher's manner pylon" that explained SC1, and while it got some criticism as to why such a noob friendly program existed, it apparently got pretty good views and rating. The coaches believe this sort of program needs to exist for the incoming SC2 scene.
24) An amateur tournament needs to exist as well. Sure it might not get a ton of hits, but it will encourage fans and newer players to practice and LEARN the game, and inherently, they will watch more SC2 on proleague as well. This apparently needs to be tried at LEAST once. But CJ coach understands that since the Amateur tourneys never get a ton of hits, OGN also has to tread carefully before making such programs, especially since LoL gets so much hits and views.
25) Coaches wish for more Gaming channels, but more importantly, need to have internet broadcasting sites as well. Or more need for it.
26) So KT coach says the thing about Flash. But then Samsung Coach Kim Ga Ul says that Flash apparently told her he wants to play Protoss. Then Team 8 coach made a joke about how he'll force Jaedong to play Terran so force Flash to play Zerg (TROLOLOLOL)
27) The coaches believe if they contact their previous players who went to SC2, (MVP for Woongjin, then there is Nestea, July, MMA,) then they can get the help they need to make their players top notch.
28) The coaches wanted to approach these players during their preseason (for SC2 players) for help, but the coaches themselves had obligations and missed the timing so they are a bit sad about that.
29) There is a fear that if SC2 does NOT go well, both SC1 and SC2 will just suffer. Since they are the lifeblood of eSports, if things do not go according to plan with SC2 this season, then they fear it may all be lost.
30) The future of eSports is the fans. While many say the passion for SC1 has died out, in the most recent finals, the ratings was really good and many watched. It is also important to EMPHASIZE the star players. More star players will appear even in SC2 and they must cater and expose them to the public to gain the fans and the love.
31) Coach last words to the fans: -Kim Un Dong (seriously is this Woongjin's?) : he is sorry that his team hasn't done well this proleague and that while he is also afraid of the incoming switch, he hopes that the fans will continue to root for the TEAM and the PLAYERS. -Kim Ga Ul (Samsung Coach): She doesn't have much to say, but hopes that the fans will root for the team with an open mind to the new game that will most inevitably come. -Ju Hoon (Team 8 Coach): He is sad that while the passion for his team was high, they couldn't get the results. He is also sad that while the passion for the game is still going strong, he understands that a lot were disappointed with the lack of games. He hopes that while he understands that fans will most likely cringe at the new game, that they at least accept the change and will root for the team and the fans. -Lee Jae Gun (Who?) He sees SC2 as a new challenge and they must beat it. He knows that even if it's not even SC2 they will play, his team and everyone will practice hard to prepare. He hopes the fans will always support them. -Kim Dong Woo (CJ Coach) Hopes that the fans will always be passionate for the eSports Industry. -Lee Jee Hoon (Who?...oh apparently MBC Coach) He's happy that all the coaches even after the incident. He hopes that everyone will work together to make eSports a better thing. -Pak Young Yoon (Who?) = Everyone support us pl0x.
That's the end. I think that the thing as us, the BW watchers, should understand is that even when the switch occurs, we should still root passionately for the players and the team, even if we don't like the game. I know that the BW elitists really enjoy BW (I grew up with it, I learned English from it, my life REVOLVED around BW. My daddy and I went to the fucking OSLs and shit and I got autograph from Grr when I was 5 woot!) but if we want the players to be able to play and still have a job, we should always be vocal and show our support and prove that the BW supporters, and more importantly, the player supporters still exist! So please don't trash SC2! I don't even play it but I am willing to at least 'accept it' if it means our players can still play!
On April 21 2012 02:48 Swiv wrote: The hate is stronk in this thread...
I think you'll find everyone in this thread has tried watching Sc2. Many don't like it, and even those of us that do tend to like it less than we like BW. Something we love is dying, and we're lashing out. If you don't like it, well there's the door.
8) Team8 Coach wants SC1 to exist as a "Living Legend", but they feel that when the SC2 switch occurs, then it will lead to people saying later on in life, "why the hell did we play this shitty old game SC1 for so long". This is because SC1 only really existed in Korea and nowhere else. He doesn't want SC1 to be just thrown away after leaving such a mark in the community, and wants some form of existence for SC1.
Optical shot translation was much better than this .... Thank you optical shot ^_^
Team 8 Coach Joo: When I meet with corporate executives, I can definitely feel the tensions and worries. Despite that, my personal wish is for StarCraft 1 to fade away as a legend, but maybe in the future we’d say the same thing about StarCraft 2. None of us can stop the flow of time. The reality is that not a single country outside Korea has an offline StarCraft 1 league right now. In the times where eSports is going global, we can’t help but choose StarCraft 2. The times demand that we play both SC1 and SC2. Soon the proleague will be completely SC2, but I dearly wish that we don’t abandon SC1, which has led and carried eSports for the past decade. Personally, I wish that SC1 would continue, even if the league is much smaller and shorter.
Man ... utl translation and the word he chooses to convey really made me doubt the guy's objectivity in translation ....
I thought we weren't allowed to do word by word translations O_O. That's the only reason I did it in the way I did it. Sorry if it leads people astray. I just tried to convey it in english as best as possible.
Also, for those who received my PM, please care to check out the original fomos article (link is in the OP) for the pictures or something. You know, give them some traffic... and when google chrome says it's malicious you shall proceed anyway like a boss.
optical has a very good translation, but people should go the PM route and not post a ton of it due to the no fomos deal (I don't even know the full stipends). Also probably don't want to post around on reddit.
The hype when the first top tier BW pro will play his first streamed match is going to be unmatched. Cait wait to see how many pages this mlg thread will reach.
On April 21 2012 02:57 OpticalShot wrote: Also, for those who received my PM, please care to check out the original fomos article (link is in the OP) for the pictures or something. You know, give them some traffic... and when google chrome says it's malicious you shall proceed anyway like a boss.
But the site IS malicious. The userbase down there is 4chan /b/-tier. If you know Korean, stay the fuck away from the comments section. It's disgusting as fuck.
EPT
I feel so helpless -_-, and not to mention irked at how they lament the difficulties of the Foreign scene. WE ARE the foreign scene T_T we've been supporting BW for years and years :'( we were here all along...
