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On March 31 2012 03:32 Slardar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 02:59 JiPrime wrote:
LOL me and my friends at PlayXP and DCG (pretending to be his fans) got his bank account number from him.
We're all gonna send him 18 won ($0.018 USD) from each of us.
Shit's gonna be hillarious.
From the gist of the message note from him, he's real desperate for money to buy his luxury products.
I wonder whether he sold his Frostmourne yet... What is the luxury products you speak of? ^^ Also someone posted the idea of getting lessons from him streamed, and just calling him a traitor for the hour or until he cut you off. lol
 Don't do that.
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On March 31 2012 02:59 JiPrime wrote:
LOL me and my friends at PlayXP and DCG (pretending to be his fans) got his bank account number from him.
We're all gonna send him 18 won ($0.018 USD) from each of us.
Shit's gonna be hillarious.
From the gist of the message note from him, he's real desperate for money to buy his luxury products.
I wonder whether he sold his Frostmourne yet...
that's borderline harassment. and no it's not going to be hilarious. it's low.
the guy stood in front of a court. he got his punishment. he is clean he can do what he want and he can make money any legal way he wants. and yes like it or not he obviously still has fans that watch his stream.
You don't need to like him but don't mess with a person for no reason apart from you not liking him.
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On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era.
Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished.
He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit?
Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable.
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On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable.
Sorry, but do you know what probation means? It means he can not commit crimes in that time. It's not an exile or banishment. He is not pulling bullshit, just doing everyone a huge favor. Yeah someone might not like it- guess what dont watch his stream don't but his lessons and walk along. You are not a judge and are waaaaaaay out of line here.
No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it.
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On March 31 2012 04:05 HeaDStrong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it.
Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement.
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On March 30 2012 18:16 Pholon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 16:42 Eywa- wrote:
With that being said, due to the natural way of development of games, Brood War will not live on forever as a professional sport (unless something crazy happens) nor would it have if sAviOr never existed. Brood War is more threatened by it's natural successor that being, Starcraft 2 and in the end, e-Sports will move on... Sure, none of us Brood War fans want to see Brood War die and we'll do everything in our power to keep it a live, however, be it 2 years, be it 10 years, professional Brood War will come to an end, but it won't be due to sAviOr, it'll be due to the natural succession in e-Sports. And, when the new generation of gamers blossom, the scandals and scars created by sAviOr, while they will be heard, they will fall on deaf ears because no one cares about events when they were not around to see them. This much is pretty well fact, shown throughout history (Some things taking more generations to recover from than others).
I'd say this is demonstrably false since WC3 (nor any other game coming out inf 10 years or so) managed to replace replace BW. Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 17:54 supernovamaniac wrote:
Should I take this seriously? Because with what happened during streaming, I can't honestly tell if you're just trying to make yourself sound smart or trying to make a valid argument. Yes. TL is a very serious place and you should always take everyone seriously ô_ô
The map fixing in WCIII certainly didn't help. ;D
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On March 31 2012 04:17 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:09 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 04:05 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it. Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement. Just because x group of people gets angry about something does not make their opinion more valid than y group of people.
Are you implying the korean audience, which pretty much makes the most of the BW scene, don't matter?
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On March 31 2012 04:09 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:05 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it. Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement.
Yo, mind if you actually bring something to worthwhile to the table.
Yes he has damaged the scene beyond no repair. But you tell me how him streaming and coaching a game that is falling out of popularity and in desperate need of more viewership is a bad thing now? If people are unable to forgive him they can mind their own business and move on.
But really YOU tell me how is he doing something bad now? What is he taking away from anyone now? What kind of bullshit is he pulling?
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On March 31 2012 04:17 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:09 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 04:05 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it. Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement. Just because x group of people gets angry about something does not make their opinion more valid than y group of people.
One thing is pissing off some people. All it does it get's hate projected on savior, but that is not even my point. if you disregard his past- he is doing a good thing now.
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Oh savior, why can't you fade with some semblance of dignity?
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On March 31 2012 04:09 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:05 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it. Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement.
One of the reasons matchfixing was so scandalous to BW to begin with is the very fact that public opinion very quickly became a mob. Your appeal to the authority of the many is not relevant to whatever point you were trying to make originally (as posted above, probation doesn't mean "can't touch BW for 2 years or else will be lynched by people who hold grudges rather than just ignoring what they don't like," it means "don't commit crimes for this period of time instead of serving it in jail"). I don't think more people streaming BW can be worse for the game than fewer people streaming BW. The presence of each streamer's unique content helps keeps people watching/playing, if only in a vague and aggregate way.
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On March 31 2012 04:22 HeaDStrong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:09 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 04:05 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it. Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement. Yo, mind if you actually bring something to worthwhile to the table. Yes he has damaged the scene beyond no repair. But you tell me how him streaming and coaching a game that is falling out of popularity and in desperate need of more viewership is a bad thing now? If people are unable to forgive him they can mind their own business and move on. But really YOU tell me how is he doing something bad now? What is he taking away from anyone now? What kind of bullshit is he pulling?
His wrongdoing is being reported by the mainstream media and outsiders are astonished and disgusted that we are letting him get away with this.
You don't see disgraced players from other sports doing something of this sort, and get away with it.
Why should BW be exception?
Someone has to do something about it, and if others won't do it, me and my pals will do it, because it's the right thing to do.
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On March 31 2012 04:22 HeaDStrong wrote:
One thing is pissing off some people. All it does it get's hate projected on savior, but that is not even my point. if you disregard his past- he is doing a good thing now.
There's a clear distinction about doing something for the industry and doing something for yourself. In this case, Ma Jae Yoon is doing this for himself and only himself. If it helps the industry, its just a bonus.
Edit: I would just like to make his intentions clear.
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On March 31 2012 04:20 JiPrime wrote:
Are you implying the korean audience, which pretty much makes the most of the BW scene, don't matter?
That's not the point whether they like it or not that's not the discussion at hand.
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On March 31 2012 04:26 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:22 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:09 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 04:05 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it. Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement. Yo, mind if you actually bring something to worthwhile to the table. Yes he has damaged the scene beyond no repair. But you tell me how him streaming and coaching a game that is falling out of popularity and in desperate need of more viewership is a bad thing now? If people are unable to forgive him they can mind their own business and move on. But really YOU tell me how is he doing something bad now? What is he taking away from anyone now? What kind of bullshit is he pulling? His wrongdoing is being reported by the mainstream media and outsiders are astonished and disgusted that we are letting him get away with this. You don't see disgraced players from other sports doing something of this sort, and get away with it. Why should BW be exception? Someone has to do something about it, and if others won't do it, me and my pals will do it, because it's the right thing to do.
Get away? He fucking got banned from progaming and got 1 year of jail time with this conditional probation. How can you say he got away from it? He got his punishment and now he is a law abiding citizen.
Your mob mentality and self-righteousness is a disgrace to human kind.
On March 31 2012 04:27 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:22 HeaDStrong wrote:
One thing is pissing off some people. All it does it get's hate projected on savior, but that is not even my point. if you disregard his past- he is doing a good thing now. There's a clear distinction about doing something for the industry and doing something for yourself. In this case, Ma Jae Yoon is doing this for himself and only himself. If it helps the industry, its just a bonus. Edit: I would just like to make his intentions clear.
and you know his intentions how? and why is he not allowed to do something for himself and with a slight probability help the industry? In my book it's a win-win situation.
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On March 31 2012 04:31 HeaDStrong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:26 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 04:22 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:09 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 04:05 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it. Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement. Yo, mind if you actually bring something to worthwhile to the table. Yes he has damaged the scene beyond no repair. But you tell me how him streaming and coaching a game that is falling out of popularity and in desperate need of more viewership is a bad thing now? If people are unable to forgive him they can mind their own business and move on. But really YOU tell me how is he doing something bad now? What is he taking away from anyone now? What kind of bullshit is he pulling? His wrongdoing is being reported by the mainstream media and outsiders are astonished and disgusted that we are letting him get away with this. You don't see disgraced players from other sports doing something of this sort, and get away with it. Why should BW be exception? Someone has to do something about it, and if others won't do it, me and my pals will do it, because it's the right thing to do. Get away? He fucking got banned from progaming and got 1 year of jail time with this conditional probation. How can you say he got away from it? He got his punishment and now he is a law abiding citizen. Your mob mentality and self-righteousness is a disgrace to human kind.
He didn't get the jail time.
He bailed out with his dosh.
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I wouldn't mind if some of the other gamers who were banned, like hwasin or luxury, who albeit playing a very minor role in the whole scandal immediately owned up to their crimes, posted an apology and accepted their forced-retirement with grace, started offering bw lessons. Owning up to their mistakes usually causes a response along the lines of 'You fucked up, but it's okay, you payed the price and it seems you learned your lesson. Don't fuck up again.'
savior, who arguably orchestrated the whole incident by brokering other deals and persuading other players to join in on the movement (and even ripped off the players whose deals he was brokering LOL) didnt own up to shit and went into hiding; he only wrote a (half-ass) apology when it was pretty much set in stone that he would be fucked in court, and then went on to prove that he didnt mean anything he wrote in his apology by streaming BW and collecting money from his fans a few months after. That says a lot about savior's character.
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On March 31 2012 04:33 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:31 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:26 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 04:22 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:09 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 04:05 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:01 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:50 Glockateer wrote:
So many people on this thread pretend to be perfect by pointing out that he should be damned forever. Sounds much like religions to me but that's another topic..
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time.
You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. Tbh, I wouldn't be this mad if he started doing this AFTER his probation is finished. He's still on 2 year probation for his crimes and he pulls this bullshit? Unacceptable. Absolutely unacceptable. No one with a sane mind can argue that what he is doing now somehow hurts the bw scene. If anything it only helps it. Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement. Yo, mind if you actually bring something to worthwhile to the table. Yes he has damaged the scene beyond no repair. But you tell me how him streaming and coaching a game that is falling out of popularity and in desperate need of more viewership is a bad thing now? If people are unable to forgive him they can mind their own business and move on. But really YOU tell me how is he doing something bad now? What is he taking away from anyone now? What kind of bullshit is he pulling? His wrongdoing is being reported by the mainstream media and outsiders are astonished and disgusted that we are letting him get away with this. You don't see disgraced players from other sports doing something of this sort, and get away with it. Why should BW be exception? Someone has to do something about it, and if others won't do it, me and my pals will do it, because it's the right thing to do. Get away? He fucking got banned from progaming and got 1 year of jail time with this conditional probation. How can you say he got away from it? He got his punishment and now he is a law abiding citizen. Your mob mentality and self-righteousness is a disgrace to human kind. He didn't get the jail time. He bailed out with his dosh.
He did get the jail time, but with a conditional probation of 2 years- any minor offence during those two years- he's behind bars for a year. And as mentioned before having something like that on your record is completely devastating for any career you would hope to partake. So no- he did not get away with it and no- you and your palls are just way out of line with your getting him, because no one else would stand up for what is right....
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On March 31 2012 04:31 HeaDStrong wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:27 ore0z wrote:On March 31 2012 04:22 HeaDStrong wrote:
One thing is pissing off some people. All it does it get's hate projected on savior, but that is not even my point. if you disregard his past- he is doing a good thing now. There's a clear distinction about doing something for the industry and doing something for yourself. In this case, Ma Jae Yoon is doing this for himself and only himself. If it helps the industry, its just a bonus. Edit: I would just like to make his intentions clear. and you know his intentions how? and why is he not allowed to do something for himself and with a slight probability help the industry? In my book it's a win-win situation.
The fact that he charged money for streaming and charging money for lessons makes it pretty obvious that he's doing this for the money. He's allowed to, of course. But don't downplay his mistakes or his selfishness.
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On March 31 2012 04:37 ore0z wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 04:31 HeaDStrong wrote:On March 31 2012 04:27 ore0z wrote:On March 31 2012 04:22 HeaDStrong wrote:
One thing is pissing off some people. All it does it get's hate projected on savior, but that is not even my point. if you disregard his past- he is doing a good thing now. There's a clear distinction about doing something for the industry and doing something for yourself. In this case, Ma Jae Yoon is doing this for himself and only himself. If it helps the industry, its just a bonus. Edit: I would just like to make his intentions clear. and you know his intentions how? and why is he not allowed to do something for himself and with a slight probability help the industry? In my book it's a win-win situation. The fact that he charged money for streaming and charging money for lessons makes it pretty obvious that he's doing this for the money. He's allowed to, of course. But don't downplay his mistakes or his selfishness.
Not to mention he's pretty much damaging other legit progamers' chance to make some extra income with BW tutoring by setting the price way too cheap.
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