EPTOf course its hard to argue that this coaching gig of his is a dead end road and its in the best interest of him to just pursue something else.
Match Fixing Savior starts paid lessons - Page 22
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Byo
Canada206 Posts
Of course its hard to argue that this coaching gig of his is a dead end road and its in the best interest of him to just pursue something else. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On March 31 2012 04:09 JiPrime wrote: Yo, mind if I quote your post and and re-post in Korean sites? Let's see what the koreans say about your statement. Why are you still allowed to post here? Is it like imperative that you troll every BW thread? | ||
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LittLeLives
United States692 Posts
Anyway, I'm actually kind of happy Savior didn't just fade into obscurity like virtually all other progamer match fixers who were legitimately good at the game. This is perfectly legal and I don't see how people who want him to "go straight" have any problem with this just because it doesn't fit their own normative view of criminals not being allowed to use their skills. | ||
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HeaDStrong
Scotland785 Posts
On March 31 2012 04:37 ore0z wrote: The fact that he charged money for streaming and charging money for lessons makes it pretty obvious that he's doing this for the money. He's allowed to, of course. But don't downplay his mistakes or his selfishness. He made mistakes (if you can call his actions like that) and he damaged the scene maybe beyond repair. but I dont like to judge people, I don't know their intentions or circumstances. All I can do is judge their actions, I guess this context makes sense for me to take a utilitarian standpoint. What he did with match fixing- bad. What he is doing now-good. He payed his debt for his crimes already so no need to mix the two up. On March 31 2012 04:40 JiPrime wrote: Not to mention he's pretty much damaging other legit progamers' chance to make some extra income with BW tutoring by setting the price way too cheap. lol. As of my knowledge no progamers currently part of a team are actually doing any coaching and the few ex-pros that were mentioned in this thread- charged less than him. And no way one person could take away the labor of all the pros to damage the scene. And also so much inconsistency in his critics- he should not charge for it, he shouldn't charge so little. And hell whatever happened to free market? No, sir, your point is invalid. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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LittLeLives
United States692 Posts
On March 31 2012 04:49 JimmiC wrote: Guess you never heard of Ben Johnson, Who was banned after winning gold medal. Not only did he make a come back in running, but he trained and coached many others. Ryan Leaf, shamed out of the league in NFL was a QB coach till getting arrested again. Pete Rose never has been completely away from baseball. This is just off the top of my head I'm sure I could come up with 50-100 more. This is not unheard of, if anything it's completly common. We're on TL man, real sports are something we only refer to, not something we actually know about! | ||
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Eywa-
Canada4876 Posts
On March 31 2012 04:48 HeaDStrong wrote: He made mistakes (if you can call his actions like that) and he damaged the scene maybe beyond repair. but I dont like to judge people, I don't know their intentions or circumstances. All I can do is judge their actions, I guess this context makes sense for me to take a utilitarian standpoint. What he did with match fixing- bad. What he is doing now-good. He payed his debt for his crimes already so no need to mix the two up. lol. As of my knowledge no progamers currently part of a team are actually doing any coaching and the few ex-pros that were mentioned in this thread- charged less than him. And no way one person could take away the labor of all the pros to damage the scene. And also so much inconsistency in his critics- he should not charge for it, he shouldn't charge so little. And hell whatever happened to free market? No, sir, your point is invalid. Very sound reply. I agree with you fully dear Sir. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 31 2012 04:51 LittLeLives wrote: We're on TL man, real sports are something we only refer to, not something we actually know about! Speak for yourself! O_O Holy shit. <---- Sports jockey. | ||
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oBlade
United States5572 Posts
On March 31 2012 04:40 JiPrime wrote: Not to mention he's pretty much damaging other legit progamers' chance to make some extra income with BW tutoring by setting the price way too cheap. Professional BW gamers make money by earning salaries, tournament prizes, and performance bonuses from winning games that they spend all their time practicing and preparing for. They don't waste time by giving lessons for skittles, and they aren't really allowed to anyway - doing things outside the team like streaming/coaching/replay doesn't help you win that next televised game, and it even hurts your chances if you gift wrap your preparation and show it to the opponent. This includes low level players who don't earn salaries, because they especially need to get their skills up if they want to get TV games. | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On March 31 2012 05:30 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote: I can't believe how vindictive and unforgiving this scene is. I think that he shouldn't "bow out" of the SC scene, he should do whatever he wants to do, and if people want to pay for him to coach them they should. I hope that people get over this and move on, not because it wasn't a big deal, but because it has been dealt with in a ridiculously harsh way. Let it go already. You should see how the Koreans react to him. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
It's quite sad what he's doing, but I guess you gotta do what you gotta do. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Besides, it's already 2012, 4 years after the recession. Not every place got hit as hard as the US and EU was. And personally, living in the US, we've been in recovery mode for quite a while now. The economy in many places is not in the dumps anymore. Many Asian countries have recovered even faster. It's time people stop using the economy as an excuse for Savior not to learn a different skill and get a different job in a different industry. | ||
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darkmetal505
United States639 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On March 31 2012 06:34 darkmetal505 wrote: Dickish move by him earlier but good for him now. Cool, cool cool cool. Ohhhh Abed. Hot hot, hot hot. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
On March 31 2012 05:42 StarStruck wrote: You should see how the Koreans react to him. thousands boot up his stream and send him balloons  | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
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Befree
695 Posts
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine he'd only charge $25 for a real lesson that involves him actually talking about your play and helping you. If he really is just selling commentary, I find that pretty distasteful given his history, and the fact the most players who already commentate their own games do it for free. If this is real, interactive, quality teaching, then I'd say he's giving quite the deal and I think that's somewhat commendable.. | ||
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theslayer922
Canada304 Posts
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