EPTMatch Fixing Savior starts paid lessons - Page 20
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wangstra
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
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Fyrewolf
United States1533 Posts
Some bloodstains will never wash off no matter how hard you scrub. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
Its not even as bad as PedoWerra trying to molest his teammates. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
Savior was lucky that he was considered as a minor and only got banned from the game professionally, but if he was older when the match-fixing scandal was committed he would most likely be jailed for a short time, just like what happened to a few Korean players in their football league that had a similar scandal a while ago. Would you let a past match-fixing retired footballer coach your football youths? The guy has to have some nerve to not at least go away quieting and do something else with his life. Instead he chose to making a living from the sport he personally disgraced. Hell it was a even bigger deal because he was a fan favorite and a popular champion as well, and it put a question mark on the legitimacy of every loss he made, especially those while playing in the team league. Savior can play BW all he wants in private, but for him to making a living from it again? The irony. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3509 Posts
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Anlich
3 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
Of course his life should not be destroyed, others did much worse crimes and deserve another chance, too. But please not in Starcraft. It's too painful, I think. | ||
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On March 30 2012 23:21 Gescom wrote: I think everyone needs to go watch Cool Runnings. Savior = John Candy So the next zerg bonjwa will have a lucky egg? :O | ||
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JohannesH
Finland1364 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:58 wangstra wrote: Personally I don't see the connection between a match fixing scandal and deterring new comers from enjoying the game. I'm not particularly into sports but I've never reacted negatively to a scandal in any game feeling that the game had lost its enjoyment or legitimacy because of the actions of a few and especially such a long time after the incident. A lot of people make this claim, it very well might be true (which I'm okay with) but no one has ever demonstrated or proved such a causality. More importantly to me though, I partially went through this thread and I stopped, I couldn't take it. This community makes me ill sometimes. I've seen less polarization over much more serious incidents and forgiveness and acceptance over much more life altering situations. There is seemingly a refusal to see the humanity in this one person (savior) and an enjoyment in demonizing him. No matter how often you do that, he doesn't become a non-human, no less a microcosm of the human experience. Anyway this isn't necessarily unique to SC. I see this lack of compassion constantly. Yes he did a terrible thing. As far as I understand our species, there will always be someone on whose shoulder's that burden will fall on, there will always be someone who will push or cross the line. We should learn from it, accept it as part of what it means to be a person, have some compassion in that respect and move on. Wrong doing doesn't emanate from a single locus, its a product of our collective consciousness. I imagine some will see the above as an apology for what Savior did. Well it isn't. Others will understand it as an appeal to learn so we aren't doomed to repeat this. BW is/was popular in Korea because of the young faces and the honest passion/enthusiasm from commentators/fans/players. When the matchfixing scandal occured it was a slap in the face to what the entire industry stood for, and to what the entire fanbase admired in players and the scene. | ||
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supsun
United Kingdom343 Posts
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doothegee
Korea (South)3011 Posts
On March 30 2012 19:44 Biff The Understudy wrote: Of course it's not great, of course it made everybody sad. Saying that they are responsible for the death of BW when it can be explained by very solid and absolutely logical and structural reasons is just silly. Blame the financial situation, the crisis, the conflict with Kespa, Starcraft 2, a game becoming very old and technologically outdated. Don't you think it's logical a game starts to decline when young people don't really play it anymore, or at least less and less. Yeah, 2012 kids don't buy Brood War when they want a new video game. Maybe Starcraft 2. Anyway. Savior is reason n°53452664 why BW is struggling. He is as much responsible for the decline of BW as this front line soldier who fucked up something with a grenade or whatever is responsible for the defeat of Waterloo. If you think Shinhan Bank takes decision about sponsoring with million dollars a cultural or sport industry based on the cheating of a couple of has been players, you are plainly wrong. That's not how it works. Finally, Savior had been slumping hardcore for two or three years when the scandal was revealed. He was not even an important figure of the scene anymore except for regular "come back" where he would steal a game from a mediocre opponent and everybody would have an erection, before going into a losing streak again. When ex-MBCgame employers directly say that MBC game closed down because of certain "dishonorable events" that were in jeopardy of tarnishing their reputation as long as they stayed in the BW scene, I would say, yeah, it was pretty significant. That is how it works in Korea. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
We're all gonna send him 18 won ($0.018 USD) from each of us. Shit's gonna be hillarious. From the gist of the message note from him, he's real desperate for money to buy his luxury products. I wonder whether he sold his Frostmourne yet... | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On March 30 2012 22:24 sinistral wrote: You're joking aren't you? Viewership has dropped for quite some times, and you expect someone like Savior who drops players out of the scene to bring players back in, as well as viewership? Wth. Anyone who can still inspire people to play and keep people interested is an asset. He destroyed part of the scene, yes but let's judge actions shall we. Imagine if a serial killer saved a person's life. Would you go HOW DARE HE! He might be getting some money out of it but let's face it, the consensus says it's dirt cheap. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On March 31 2012 03:24 JieXian wrote: Wth. Anyone who can still inspire people to play and keep people interested is an asset. He destroyed part of the scene, yes but let's judge actions shall we. Imagine if a serial killer saved a person's life. Would you go HOW DARE HE! He might be getting some money out of it but let's face it, the consensus says it's dirt cheap. I wouldn't feel safe if a serial killer saved my life... | ||
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Slardar
Canada7595 Posts
On March 31 2012 02:59 JiPrime wrote: LOL me and my friends at PlayXP and DCG (pretending to be his fans) got his bank account number from him. We're all gonna send him 18 won ($0.018 USD) from each of us. Shit's gonna be hillarious. From the gist of the message note from him, he's real desperate for money to buy his luxury products. I wonder whether he sold his Frostmourne yet... What is the luxury products you speak of? ^^ Also someone posted the idea of getting lessons from him streamed, and just calling him a traitor for the hour or until he cut you off. lol | ||
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greggy
United Kingdom1483 Posts
On March 31 2012 03:26 JiPrime wrote: I wouldn't feel safe if a serial killer saved my life... You need to watch more Dexter, man. To be fair, I can't see what the big deal is. He's been banned from pro-gaming and he's not doing that or breaking any laws, so let him live his life in peace. Loads of whining around these forums for nothing. | ||
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JiPrime
Canada688 Posts
On March 31 2012 03:32 Slardar wrote: What is the luxury products you speak of? ^^ Also someone posted the idea of getting lessons from him streamed, and just calling him a traitor for the hour or until he cut you off. lol http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=ardenne1941&logNo=50088557185 | ||
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Glockateer
United States254 Posts
He messed up big time and is banned from pro gaming and now he still wishes to play and coach. That shows that his punishment is fitting to the crime since he can no longer compete in something he is clearly passionate about. Regardless of his actions, e-sports in general is starting to grow globally at this time. You never have to forgive him but he shouldn't be sitting here crucified years later because he made such a horrible mistake. He can't correct it or be apart of what he hurt. I might even say he nearly helped BW as much as he hurt it with his era of dominance and changing the metagame into what is considered a post-savior era. | ||
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