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On April 15 2012 00:44 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:43 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:43 Blasterion wrote:On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Zergfood is probably refering to you man... Dude I was being sarcastic bro. Real suck Blasty. No like he's saying you are Zergfood, like Food for zergs
In other words, it's a terrible joke.
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On April 15 2012 00:45 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:44 Blasterion wrote:On April 15 2012 00:43 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:43 Blasterion wrote:On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Zergfood is probably refering to you man... Dude I was being sarcastic bro. Real suck Blasty. No like he's saying you are Zergfood, like Food for zergs In other words, it's a terrible joke.
Something like that. perhaps
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On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed.
I would post something about how SC2 will eventually arrive at the identical position as BW with Koreans dominating the majority of the tournament but I guess that point is moot this is already happening. The point is that if you want this whole 'e-sports' thing to succeed, killing the oldest, most experiences forerunner is not the correct way to spread the industry.
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On April 15 2012 00:51 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. I would post something about how SC2 will eventually arrive at the identical position as BW with Koreans dominating the majority of the tournament but I guess that point is moot this is already happening. The point is that if you want this whole 'e-sports' thing to succeed, killing the oldest, most experiences forerunner is not the correct way to spread the industry.
actually from a bussiness perspective it makes perfect sense for blizzard to want to sell more titles of their new game..
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On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood?
Yeah, wow. Accusing us of being unwilling to put up money/actively support our scene is SO far beyond the truth, it's insulting. You know how much money I've personally put up since SC2 started, just to keep things going until people had faith in foreign BW again? If you don't, I strongly suggest you consider your own words ill-educated and rude.
Want to know why we can't pay to watch Korean stuff? It's most likely because if we did, Blizzard would once again come in and shaft Korean BW so hard that we wouldn't have a scene any more. Not that anything's going to stop them trying anyway... I would put money (yes, money) on there being more BW fans willing to pay for the game, than those not. You just aren't in possession of the facts.
Of course, I and all the rest of us pale in comparison to you, noble SC2 fans, who have obviously been sooooo instrumental in the growth of the game, and have all personally taken great pains to build a scene from the ground up. I hope sarcasm works on the internet.
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On April 15 2012 00:54 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:51 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. I would post something about how SC2 will eventually arrive at the identical position as BW with Koreans dominating the majority of the tournament but I guess that point is moot this is already happening. The point is that if you want this whole 'e-sports' thing to succeed, killing the oldest, most experiences forerunner is not the correct way to spread the industry. actually from a bussiness perspective it makes perfect sense for blizzard to want to sell more titles of their new game..
But for a culture perspective. This is to show that being a progamer is the least safest profession to devote your life into. All these years and blood of sweat for mastering one game will go into waste just because one company wants to make more money.
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On April 14 2012 19:35 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
i tend to agree with white-horse and trainsamurai. i dont know how you can say that bw has no storylines but gsl has them....
just because they to some extent talk with/to the community? as an example you could look at GSL OffTheRecord...i like the idea behind the show just like i loved to watch nal_ra and his series on OGN. the problem is there arent too many personalitites in sc2...its always the same players that get ALOT of "airtime" (drg,nada,mc,mkp).
and to be honest i rather watch soulkey for his great play (queens!) than his personality...
You can have great play while also pushing the storyline. Most BW players (notable exceptions: FireBatHero for his personality, Iris for his playstyle) were built at a factory. They just want to "show great matches".
You don't have to make shit up or be a clown. You can look at any players stats and make a story out of them, or even say something semi-obvious like "Player X has never made it to round Y before". "This is Bisu's OSL" is a good example. That's a storyline that people were talking about.
I feel like I'm having trouble communicating my point. But it feels like "Flash is good" is all everyone talks about, except for a brief period where it was the Legend of the Fall and suddenly I was excited about BW again and apparently so were a lot of other people, because tons of people who don't watch BW watched that final. It was a game everyone was quite clearly really excited for, for reasons that extended beyond "it's the finals of a tournament", and that excitement was palpable and contagious. BW needs more of that.
On April 14 2012 18:34 TrainSamurai wrote:
Are you seriously telling me to advertise the game by telling people about what they might reasonably classify as nerd drama. Not about how fun the game is but because other teenage boys play the games and lead very dramatic lives within the gaming world because they're unique snowflakes.
Tim Tebow and Jeremy Lin didn't become these huge icons just because they were good. Right now, there's a showmatch going on between Destiny and Dragon. No one wants to see that because the players are so top notch.
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On April 15 2012 00:54 ImbaTosS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Yeah, wow. Accusing us of being unwilling to put up money/actively support our scene is SO far beyond the truth, it's insulting. You know how much money I've personally put up since SC2 started, just to keep things going until people had faith in foreign BW again? If you don't, I strongly suggest you consider your own words ill-educated and rude. Want to know why we can't pay to watch Korean stuff? It's most likely because if we did, Blizzard would once again come in and shaft Korean BW so hard that we wouldn't have a scene any more. Not that anything's going to stop them trying anyway... I would put money (yes, money) on there being more BW fans willing to pay for the game, than those not. You just aren't in possession of the facts. Of course, I and all the rest of us pale in comparison to you, noble SC2 fans, who have obviously been sooooo instrumental in the growth of the game, and have all personally taken great pains to build a scene from the ground up. I hope sarcasm works on the internet.
look not all sc2 fans are dickbags, just mostly the ones who post in BW ones for some reason.
Also why the hell are you paying for sc2 thinking bw scene will come back? That does seem a bit silly since basically sc2 is BW's eventual killer.
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On April 15 2012 00:58 Xiphos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:54 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:51 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. I would post something about how SC2 will eventually arrive at the identical position as BW with Koreans dominating the majority of the tournament but I guess that point is moot this is already happening. The point is that if you want this whole 'e-sports' thing to succeed, killing the oldest, most experiences forerunner is not the correct way to spread the industry. actually from a bussiness perspective it makes perfect sense for blizzard to want to sell more titles of their new game.. But for a culture perspective. This is to show that being a progamer is the least safest profession to devote your life into. All these years and blood of sweat for mastering one game will go into waste just because one company wants to make more money.
to be fair you don't play video games as a profession to look at job security.. rofl
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On April 15 2012 01:01 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:54 ImbaTosS wrote:On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Yeah, wow. Accusing us of being unwilling to put up money/actively support our scene is SO far beyond the truth, it's insulting. You know how much money I've personally put up since SC2 started, just to keep things going until people had faith in foreign BW again? If you don't, I strongly suggest you consider your own words ill-educated and rude. Want to know why we can't pay to watch Korean stuff? It's most likely because if we did, Blizzard would once again come in and shaft Korean BW so hard that we wouldn't have a scene any more. Not that anything's going to stop them trying anyway... I would put money (yes, money) on there being more BW fans willing to pay for the game, than those not. You just aren't in possession of the facts. Of course, I and all the rest of us pale in comparison to you, noble SC2 fans, who have obviously been sooooo instrumental in the growth of the game, and have all personally taken great pains to build a scene from the ground up. I hope sarcasm works on the internet. look not all sc2 fans are dickbags, just mostly the ones who post in BW ones for some reason. Also why the hell are you paying for sc2 thinking bw scene will come back? That does seem a bit silly since basically sc2 is BW's eventual killer.
He means the money hes put up for BW since the advent of SC2.
On April 15 2012 01:03 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:58 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:54 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:51 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. I would post something about how SC2 will eventually arrive at the identical position as BW with Koreans dominating the majority of the tournament but I guess that point is moot this is already happening. The point is that if you want this whole 'e-sports' thing to succeed, killing the oldest, most experiences forerunner is not the correct way to spread the industry. actually from a bussiness perspective it makes perfect sense for blizzard to want to sell more titles of their new game.. But for a culture perspective. This is to show that being a progamer is the least safest profession to devote your life into. All these years and blood of sweat for mastering one game will go into waste just because one company wants to make more money. to be fair you don't play video games as a profession to look at job security.. rofl
And thats why the Korean BW model is so different you do have a salary there is job security!
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On April 15 2012 01:03 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 01:01 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:54 ImbaTosS wrote:On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Yeah, wow. Accusing us of being unwilling to put up money/actively support our scene is SO far beyond the truth, it's insulting. You know how much money I've personally put up since SC2 started, just to keep things going until people had faith in foreign BW again? If you don't, I strongly suggest you consider your own words ill-educated and rude. Want to know why we can't pay to watch Korean stuff? It's most likely because if we did, Blizzard would once again come in and shaft Korean BW so hard that we wouldn't have a scene any more. Not that anything's going to stop them trying anyway... I would put money (yes, money) on there being more BW fans willing to pay for the game, than those not. You just aren't in possession of the facts. Of course, I and all the rest of us pale in comparison to you, noble SC2 fans, who have obviously been sooooo instrumental in the growth of the game, and have all personally taken great pains to build a scene from the ground up. I hope sarcasm works on the internet. look not all sc2 fans are dickbags, just mostly the ones who post in BW ones for some reason. Also why the hell are you paying for sc2 thinking bw scene will come back? That does seem a bit silly since basically sc2 is BW's eventual killer. He means the money hes put up for BW since the advent of SC2.
ahh i misread that.
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On April 15 2012 01:01 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 00:54 ImbaTosS wrote:On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Yeah, wow. Accusing us of being unwilling to put up money/actively support our scene is SO far beyond the truth, it's insulting. You know how much money I've personally put up since SC2 started, just to keep things going until people had faith in foreign BW again? If you don't, I strongly suggest you consider your own words ill-educated and rude. Want to know why we can't pay to watch Korean stuff? It's most likely because if we did, Blizzard would once again come in and shaft Korean BW so hard that we wouldn't have a scene any more. Not that anything's going to stop them trying anyway... I would put money (yes, money) on there being more BW fans willing to pay for the game, than those not. You just aren't in possession of the facts. Of course, I and all the rest of us pale in comparison to you, noble SC2 fans, who have obviously been sooooo instrumental in the growth of the game, and have all personally taken great pains to build a scene from the ground up. I hope sarcasm works on the internet. look not all sc2 fans are dickbags, just mostly the ones who post in BW ones for some reason. Also why the hell are you paying for sc2 thinking bw scene will come back? That does seem a bit silly since basically sc2 is BW's eventual killer.
I am a dickbag and the only reason I post on the Brood War forums is to pokefun at ZNF.
That aside really one should just enjoy the games you play and pretty much that's it, (which should be mahjong btw) But yeah I am ok with supporting either starcraft, and LoL (since i play them) but esports is kinda.....idk I have no affection for fps games.
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On April 15 2012 01:04 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 01:01 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:54 ImbaTosS wrote:On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Yeah, wow. Accusing us of being unwilling to put up money/actively support our scene is SO far beyond the truth, it's insulting. You know how much money I've personally put up since SC2 started, just to keep things going until people had faith in foreign BW again? If you don't, I strongly suggest you consider your own words ill-educated and rude. Want to know why we can't pay to watch Korean stuff? It's most likely because if we did, Blizzard would once again come in and shaft Korean BW so hard that we wouldn't have a scene any more. Not that anything's going to stop them trying anyway... I would put money (yes, money) on there being more BW fans willing to pay for the game, than those not. You just aren't in possession of the facts. Of course, I and all the rest of us pale in comparison to you, noble SC2 fans, who have obviously been sooooo instrumental in the growth of the game, and have all personally taken great pains to build a scene from the ground up. I hope sarcasm works on the internet. look not all sc2 fans are dickbags, just mostly the ones who post in BW ones for some reason. Also why the hell are you paying for sc2 thinking bw scene will come back? That does seem a bit silly since basically sc2 is BW's eventual killer. I am a dickbag and the only reason I post on the Brood War forums is to pokefun at ZNF. That aside really one should just enjoy the games you play and pretty much that's it, (which should be mahjong btw) But yeah I am ok with supporting either starcraft, and LoL (since i play them) but esports is kinda.....idk I have no affection for fps games.
ehh, mostly i dont like FPS games as an "e-sport" the only exception for me would be CS but its not very spectator friendly
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It's also worth reiterating Imbatoss' point that when the scene did try and look for other avenues of revenue Blizzard promptly came in and tried to sue MBC and OGN's pants off. BW is not dying a withered old man kept alive by life support. Match-fixing scandal, being sued by the developer of the game etc. it's actually a bit of a miracle BW hasn't disappeared off the face of the earth the way WC3 did.
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Well with War3, it was part of the ESPORTS apparatus that was modding units on some maps so its somewhat different from idiots making money off purposely losing.
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On April 15 2012 01:12 ShadeR wrote:
It's also worth reiterating Imbatoss' point that when the scene did try and look for other avenues of revenue Blizzard promptly came in and tried to sue MBC and OGN's pants off. BW is not dying a withered old man kept alive by life support. Match-fixing scandal, being sued by the developer of the game etc. it's actually a bit of a miracle BW hasn't disappeared off the face of the earth the way WC3 did.
The community makes a game what it is, if the community is strong the game will have a hard time dying.
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On April 15 2012 01:03 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 01:01 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:54 ImbaTosS wrote:On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Yeah, wow. Accusing us of being unwilling to put up money/actively support our scene is SO far beyond the truth, it's insulting. You know how much money I've personally put up since SC2 started, just to keep things going until people had faith in foreign BW again? If you don't, I strongly suggest you consider your own words ill-educated and rude. Want to know why we can't pay to watch Korean stuff? It's most likely because if we did, Blizzard would once again come in and shaft Korean BW so hard that we wouldn't have a scene any more. Not that anything's going to stop them trying anyway... I would put money (yes, money) on there being more BW fans willing to pay for the game, than those not. You just aren't in possession of the facts. Of course, I and all the rest of us pale in comparison to you, noble SC2 fans, who have obviously been sooooo instrumental in the growth of the game, and have all personally taken great pains to build a scene from the ground up. I hope sarcasm works on the internet. look not all sc2 fans are dickbags, just mostly the ones who post in BW ones for some reason. Also why the hell are you paying for sc2 thinking bw scene will come back? That does seem a bit silly since basically sc2 is BW's eventual killer. He means the money hes put up for BW since the advent of SC2. Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 01:03 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:58 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:54 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:51 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. I would post something about how SC2 will eventually arrive at the identical position as BW with Koreans dominating the majority of the tournament but I guess that point is moot this is already happening. The point is that if you want this whole 'e-sports' thing to succeed, killing the oldest, most experiences forerunner is not the correct way to spread the industry. actually from a bussiness perspective it makes perfect sense for blizzard to want to sell more titles of their new game.. But for a culture perspective. This is to show that being a progamer is the least safest profession to devote your life into. All these years and blood of sweat for mastering one game will go into waste just because one company wants to make more money. to be fair you don't play video games as a profession to look at job security.. rofl And thats why the Korean BW model is so different you do have a salary there is job security!
scene is 10 years old and is certainly having some big hiccups, thats some good long term stability for raising a family in!
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On April 15 2012 01:23 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 01:03 ShadeR wrote:On April 15 2012 01:01 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:54 ImbaTosS wrote:On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Yeah, wow. Accusing us of being unwilling to put up money/actively support our scene is SO far beyond the truth, it's insulting. You know how much money I've personally put up since SC2 started, just to keep things going until people had faith in foreign BW again? If you don't, I strongly suggest you consider your own words ill-educated and rude. Want to know why we can't pay to watch Korean stuff? It's most likely because if we did, Blizzard would once again come in and shaft Korean BW so hard that we wouldn't have a scene any more. Not that anything's going to stop them trying anyway... I would put money (yes, money) on there being more BW fans willing to pay for the game, than those not. You just aren't in possession of the facts. Of course, I and all the rest of us pale in comparison to you, noble SC2 fans, who have obviously been sooooo instrumental in the growth of the game, and have all personally taken great pains to build a scene from the ground up. I hope sarcasm works on the internet. look not all sc2 fans are dickbags, just mostly the ones who post in BW ones for some reason. Also why the hell are you paying for sc2 thinking bw scene will come back? That does seem a bit silly since basically sc2 is BW's eventual killer. He means the money hes put up for BW since the advent of SC2. On April 15 2012 01:03 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:58 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:54 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:51 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. I would post something about how SC2 will eventually arrive at the identical position as BW with Koreans dominating the majority of the tournament but I guess that point is moot this is already happening. The point is that if you want this whole 'e-sports' thing to succeed, killing the oldest, most experiences forerunner is not the correct way to spread the industry. actually from a bussiness perspective it makes perfect sense for blizzard to want to sell more titles of their new game.. But for a culture perspective. This is to show that being a progamer is the least safest profession to devote your life into. All these years and blood of sweat for mastering one game will go into waste just because one company wants to make more money. to be fair you don't play video games as a profession to look at job security.. rofl And thats why the Korean BW model is so different you do have a salary there is job security! scene is 10 years old and is certainly having some big hiccups, thats some good long term stability for raising a family in!
I'm not really getting your point? In order to raise a family you need to pick a career and stick to it your whole life?
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On April 15 2012 01:31 ShadeR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 01:23 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 01:03 ShadeR wrote:On April 15 2012 01:01 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:54 ImbaTosS wrote:On April 15 2012 00:39 Zergneedsfood wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. This is exactly what I'm talking about. You're just saying stuff off the top of your head without knowing what you're talking about. People do buy jerseys, posters, hoodies (that are discontinued now because teams have been disbanded by the way) and support in a variety of ways. Don't generalize the BW fanbase as a group of people who take shit for granted. That's downright not true. If anything, BW players know how valuable each game of BW is because we have so little these days to begin with. People have been generous in starting random foreign tournaments, watching the Kespa stream, etc. etc. There are plenty of examples of BW players pitching in support, even if it's not necessarily monetary related. Also, who the hell is ZergFood? Yeah, wow. Accusing us of being unwilling to put up money/actively support our scene is SO far beyond the truth, it's insulting. You know how much money I've personally put up since SC2 started, just to keep things going until people had faith in foreign BW again? If you don't, I strongly suggest you consider your own words ill-educated and rude. Want to know why we can't pay to watch Korean stuff? It's most likely because if we did, Blizzard would once again come in and shaft Korean BW so hard that we wouldn't have a scene any more. Not that anything's going to stop them trying anyway... I would put money (yes, money) on there being more BW fans willing to pay for the game, than those not. You just aren't in possession of the facts. Of course, I and all the rest of us pale in comparison to you, noble SC2 fans, who have obviously been sooooo instrumental in the growth of the game, and have all personally taken great pains to build a scene from the ground up. I hope sarcasm works on the internet. look not all sc2 fans are dickbags, just mostly the ones who post in BW ones for some reason. Also why the hell are you paying for sc2 thinking bw scene will come back? That does seem a bit silly since basically sc2 is BW's eventual killer. He means the money hes put up for BW since the advent of SC2. On April 15 2012 01:03 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:58 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:54 sc14s wrote:On April 15 2012 00:51 Xiphos wrote:On April 15 2012 00:23 TheButtonmen wrote:@Zergsfood: Except the context you normally see E-Sports invoked in involved the transfer of cold hard cash from the consumers to the players / leagues be in by purchasing merchandise (I can easily go buy jerseys, posters or hoodies for pretty much any SC2 team for instance but getting BW merchandise is much much harder), by purchasing subscriptions (GS(T)L, MLG, IPL and so forth all have subscriptions, why no BW league with them?), by organizing support for the companies who sponsor the events (through tools such as this which does have an actual effect.) or by direct donation drives for the players (see things like reddit paying for MKP's trip to MLG) Like I don't understand how you can be so bitter about BW fade away while simultaneously hating on the idea of an esports industry. Like it seems a matter of put your money where your mouth is, BW fans seem pretty fanatical from reading the forums so I'm not getting where the disdain for paying cash to support the scene. Hence my question about there being previous attempts which really failed. I would post something about how SC2 will eventually arrive at the identical position as BW with Koreans dominating the majority of the tournament but I guess that point is moot this is already happening. The point is that if you want this whole 'e-sports' thing to succeed, killing the oldest, most experiences forerunner is not the correct way to spread the industry. actually from a bussiness perspective it makes perfect sense for blizzard to want to sell more titles of their new game.. But for a culture perspective. This is to show that being a progamer is the least safest profession to devote your life into. All these years and blood of sweat for mastering one game will go into waste just because one company wants to make more money. to be fair you don't play video games as a profession to look at job security.. rofl And thats why the Korean BW model is so different you do have a salary there is job security! scene is 10 years old and is certainly having some big hiccups, thats some good long term stability for raising a family in! I'm not really getting your point? In order to raise a family you need to pick a career and stick to it your whole life?
I think he's saying that it's stable enough to raise a family on.
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BW don't have stories?
Ok, now listen to me SC2 fan. Go to the top navigation bar, click Features -> Final Edits.
How many BW stories? Lots. How many sc2 stories? Two. One about TL team, the other about BW players in SC2.
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