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On January 28 2012 13:02 Hinanawi wrote:
I think we've all been there, done that. Brood War is a legend, SC2 is a poorly designed cashgrab unworthy of the name 'Starcraft', supported by zealots with religious fervor for something they call 'ESPORTS' (which apparently is about supporting any competitive game, no matter how bad it is, because it's a video game).
The one thing I really don't understand is how SC2 managed to create a poorer UMS experience than Battle.net provided BW players over a decade ago. If your map isn't on the first two pages, good luck ever filling a game on it. Where is the Kyprion Pact RPG of SC2? Buried on page 200 somewhere probably, without a single game played on it.
I'm not sure how this contributes anything positive to the discussion. Don't post in the thread if you aren't willing to argue in a logical fashion. Acting like that will just derial the constructive discussion even more.
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He touched a really fair point on one of the reasons why SC2 is bad. Bnet 2.0 is just retarded, horribly designed and it looks like Blizzard doesn't care about it.
How is that not contributing?
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On January 28 2012 13:02 Hinanawi wrote:
I think we've all been there, done that. Brood War is a legend, SC2 is a poorly designed cashgrab unworthy of the name 'Starcraft', supported by zealots with religious fervor for something they call 'ESPORTS' (which apparently is about supporting any competitive game, no matter how bad it is, because it's a video game).
This is blatantly angry and has no place in this topic.
Being a BW player some years ago, then picking up SC2 shortly after its release, I went back and played BW again a couple of months ago. My APM was higher, my macro was more solid, and my crisis management was smooth. It is so easy to get carried away in this "SC2 sucks, BW for life" and "Friggin hipsters, move to SC2 already" mentality, but the point is that you watch what you enjoy and play what you enjoy. BW pushed my base skills along pretty nicely, and SC2 refined my macro and helped me see the aspects of macro and timing that I never saw in BW. I currently watch both, play both, and theres nothing wrong with that. I watch SC2 during the day when the foreign tournaments are going on, and BW at night when i can watch that. Over all, they correlate strongly with one another and any game-bashing and anger in this thread is completely unnecessary.
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I hope they are going to introduce a female Ursadak in the HOTS.
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i really dont think you can learn anything from sc2, from a mechanical aspec,t if your are c- or higher
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On January 28 2012 23:37 fabiano wrote:
He touched a really fair point on one of the reasons why SC2 is bad. Bnet 2.0 is just retarded, horribly designed and it looks like Blizzard doesn't care about it.
How is that not contributing?
When you tell something in an extremely offensive fashion, it's called "not contributing" because it makes people overlook the facts. It's easy to mistake his statement for a pointless hate post if you only read the first part, therefore it's not exactly a good post.
PS: I'd be very happy if somebody could implement a "please keep the SC2 vs BW out of this discussion" line into the thread like they did with the mirror in the SC2 section.
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Most of the angry post happens because we did expect SC2 to be a worthy sequel to BW, but rightnow its going the opposite direction and mr Browder doesnt look like will change his ideas in the next two expansions. Too many design flaws all over the place to be ignored.
But there is hope someday, after the last expansion, SC2 fix its blatant flaws and become a truly eSport game. Until then, we continue playing BW, you guys continue helping to improve SC2 and as long as SC2 doesn't kill BW pro scene in korea, then we are all good.
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On January 28 2012 17:11 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 12:08 MK4512 wrote:On January 28 2012 11:50 whatusername wrote:On January 28 2012 07:35 Epoch wrote:
So much distaste for sc2 here. Both sc2, and sc:bw are great games.
If sc2 is good enough for fucking Nada, Julyzerg, and Slayersboxer then it's good enough for you. It's fine if you don't like it. But none of you are too good for the game. Actually they were kind of washed up by the time they entered SC2 so.............................. Who the fuck cares if they're washed up or not. If they think it has strategic depth, than it fucking has strategic depth. I'm so suprised people turn so quickly. You sound really angry to be honest  Show nested quote +
Epoch
So much distaste for sc2 here. Both sc2, and sc:bw are great games.
If sc2 is good enough for fucking Nada, Julyzerg, and Slayersboxer then it's good enough for you. It's fine if you don't like it. But none of you are too good for the game.
Woh what's with the *insert pro names * and them dictating what games should I play as a gamer . I will play what games I want, I wont blindly follow sc2 just because there were my previous heroes in broodwar . I will wish them luck, but don't expect me to enjoy watching sc2 like I do for broodwar.
Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I said it's fine if you don't like it, but that no one here is too good for it.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 28 2012 23:42 Terrestrialrage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 13:02 Hinanawi wrote:
I think we've all been there, done that. Brood War is a legend, SC2 is a poorly designed cashgrab unworthy of the name 'Starcraft', supported by zealots with religious fervor for something they call 'ESPORTS' (which apparently is about supporting any competitive game, no matter how bad it is, because it's a video game). This is blatantly angry and has no place in this topic. Being a BW player some years ago, then picking up SC2 shortly after its release, I went back and played BW again a couple of months ago. My APM was higher, my macro was more solid, and my crisis management was smooth. It is so easy to get carried away in this "SC2 sucks, BW for life" and "Friggin hipsters, move to SC2 already" mentality, but the point is that you watch what you enjoy and play what you enjoy. BW pushed my base skills along pretty nicely, and SC2 refined my macro and helped me see the aspects of macro and timing that I never saw in BW. I currently watch both, play both, and theres nothing wrong with that. I watch SC2 during the day when the foreign tournaments are going on, and BW at night when i can watch that. Over all, they correlate strongly with one another and any game-bashing and anger in this thread is completely unnecessary.
No one is saying you can't watch both games . If you like sc2 and bw than play both of it, I don't see anyone forcing another individual down his throat in order to convert them to their respective believes .
On January 28 2012 23:52 Epoch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 17:11 Sawamura wrote:On January 28 2012 12:08 MK4512 wrote:On January 28 2012 11:50 whatusername wrote:On January 28 2012 07:35 Epoch wrote:
So much distaste for sc2 here. Both sc2, and sc:bw are great games.
If sc2 is good enough for fucking Nada, Julyzerg, and Slayersboxer then it's good enough for you. It's fine if you don't like it. But none of you are too good for the game. Actually they were kind of washed up by the time they entered SC2 so.............................. Who the fuck cares if they're washed up or not. If they think it has strategic depth, than it fucking has strategic depth. I'm so suprised people turn so quickly. You sound really angry to be honest
Epoch
So much distaste for sc2 here. Both sc2, and sc:bw are great games.
If sc2 is good enough for fucking Nada, Julyzerg, and Slayersboxer then it's good enough for you. It's fine if you don't like it. But none of you are too good for the game.
Woh what's with the *insert pro names * and them dictating what games should I play as a gamer . I will play what games I want, I wont blindly follow sc2 just because there were my previous heroes in broodwar . I will wish them luck, but don't expect me to enjoy watching sc2 like I do for broodwar. Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I said it's fine if you don't like it, but that no one here is too good for it.
First thing your statement says "If sc2 is good enough for fucking Nada, Julyzerg, and Slayersboxer then it's good enough for you" is already implying that okay if our bw heroes are saying sc2 is good than it must be good for us right ? From a mob perspective and bandwagon mentality of course I will say yes . But from an individual who plays the game for him self , why should I play something I don't enjoy ?
It's fine if you don't like it. But none of you are too good for the game.
Second, you manage tell people it's fine you don't like it and in the end we can't because we just suck because we are not boxer caliber or nada so we as a fan don't have the right to choose the game we prefer to watch . Am right ? I don't get it, I don't go around to sc2 forum and keep telling people hey Flash is the best in town and plays broodwar and if you don't like it .Your opinion doesn't matter because your opinions are not worthy because you are not good at the game in the first place.
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On January 28 2012 23:44 Amanebak wrote:
I hope they are going to introduce a female Ursadak in the HOTS.
O.o?????????????????????????????????
Anyways. There still hasn't been anything posted about what is good with SC2. What can SC2 offer me or to any other BW players that isn't already in BW?
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On January 28 2012 21:15 Hundisilm wrote:There should actually be a starter edition (free) for SC2 where you can play custom games on a couple of maps. As the matchmaking system isn't working you'd probably need a Friend or two as well. I'm guessing most people who are happy with their current game probably aren't going to switch another game (either from BW to SC2 or the other way around). Neither is that significantly better than the other to justify a switch, unless one is already inclined to try something new for one reason or another. Might be fun to occasionally relax and mess about though.
You sure are assuming a lot. I didn't say I've never played it. I just didn't like it so I didn't buy it. Bought RA3 instead, no regrets. I'm not going to argue that there is not a single thing that is better in SCII than on BW. I don't get people who argue against a better UI or non retarded pathfinding, it is a strategy game not a who can click MOAR game(also irrefutable proof that Bliz does not give a single fuck about esports, they would have patched that shit into BW years ago otherwise), the sad reality is many things are worse. And I really don't have that much time to mess around. Being an adult is shit.
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On January 28 2012 23:50 fabiano wrote:
Most of the angry post happens because we did expect SC2 to be a worthy sequel to BW, but rightnow its going the opposite direction and mr Browder doesnt look like will change his ideas in the next two expansions. Too many design flaws all over the place to be ignored.
But there is hope someday, after the last expansion, SC2 fix its blatant flaws and become a truly eSport game. Until then, we continue playing BW, you guys continue helping to improve SC2 and as long as SC2 doesn't kill BW pro scene in korea, then we are all good.
I don't think that anybody wants the korean BW scene to die, and even if it did, I don't think that SC2 would be the main reason for it. I'm actually a huge fan of the idea to implement an SC2 proleague to run besides the BW proleague. In the optimal case, it would have positive effects on both games, as BW would get more publicity outside of Korea and SC2 would possibly become a lot more competitive with the entrance of professionally operated Kespa SC2 teams.
Also, I agree that SC2 won't become perfectly balanced/ the game it could be until the last expansion is released.
My hope for the future of BW is that it becomes a lot more viable as an esport in the foreigner scene. It disheartens me to see that nobody is able to play BW professionally outside of Korea. While the scene is still very cool, nobody can possibly live off his game atm. I really hope that the good efforts that some people are making right now will develop even further so we can see a much bigger foreign BW scene in the future.
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i do play and watch a little and i must say i quite enjoy sc2 as a spectator sport as well. it may not be as refined as bw but it still does leave me on the edge of my seat at times.
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I like to play SC2 for relaxation, BW is a lot more of a challenge and thus also a lot more fun game. And spectatorwise there is just NOTHING like BW, the thrill of a reaver shooting a scarab and the climax of the impact or anticlimax of the dud sends shivers down my spine every single time!
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The reason why you should play SC2 is...
...SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN is really fun. After finishing it, you can throw your copy from your window. XD
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On January 29 2012 00:42 hitthat wrote:
The reason why you should play SC2 is...
...SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN is really fun. After finishing it, you can throw your copy from your window. XD
yeah I mean your physical copy is of no value anyway since the key is tied to your battle.net account :p
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On January 29 2012 00:42 hitthat wrote:
The reason why you should play SC2 is...
...SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN is really fun. After finishing it, you can throw your copy from your window. XD
Somehow I sort of agree with you, I honestly thought the campaign was very well made eventhough the story was rather mediocre. I actually spent more time playing the campaign than the multiplayer and in my opinion the multiplayer was rather poorly designed.
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i don't understand why ether sc2 players or bw players should play the other game if they don't like it and don't have fun playing it just because they have website that has both games forums? when i played lots of cs 1.6 i didn't like cs:s but i didn't feel the need to go shit on that other game just because we had forums on same website. this hating on other games is ridicilous in my opinion.
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Guys, move on. Can we play Ches or Otello instead? Those games really bring back the nostalgia of BW with the builds and strategies involved. So much fun :D
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On January 28 2012 23:56 Sawamura wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 23:42 Terrestrialrage wrote:On January 28 2012 13:02 Hinanawi wrote:
I think we've all been there, done that. Brood War is a legend, SC2 is a poorly designed cashgrab unworthy of the name 'Starcraft', supported by zealots with religious fervor for something they call 'ESPORTS' (which apparently is about supporting any competitive game, no matter how bad it is, because it's a video game). This is blatantly angry and has no place in this topic. Being a BW player some years ago, then picking up SC2 shortly after its release, I went back and played BW again a couple of months ago. My APM was higher, my macro was more solid, and my crisis management was smooth. It is so easy to get carried away in this "SC2 sucks, BW for life" and "Friggin hipsters, move to SC2 already" mentality, but the point is that you watch what you enjoy and play what you enjoy. BW pushed my base skills along pretty nicely, and SC2 refined my macro and helped me see the aspects of macro and timing that I never saw in BW. I currently watch both, play both, and theres nothing wrong with that. I watch SC2 during the day when the foreign tournaments are going on, and BW at night when i can watch that. Over all, they correlate strongly with one another and any game-bashing and anger in this thread is completely unnecessary. No one is saying you can't watch both games . If you like sc2 and bw than play both of it, I don't see anyone forcing another individual down his throat in order to convert them to their respective believes . Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 23:52 Epoch wrote:On January 28 2012 17:11 Sawamura wrote:On January 28 2012 12:08 MK4512 wrote:On January 28 2012 11:50 whatusername wrote:On January 28 2012 07:35 Epoch wrote:
So much distaste for sc2 here. Both sc2, and sc:bw are great games.
If sc2 is good enough for fucking Nada, Julyzerg, and Slayersboxer then it's good enough for you. It's fine if you don't like it. But none of you are too good for the game. Actually they were kind of washed up by the time they entered SC2 so.............................. Who the fuck cares if they're washed up or not. If they think it has strategic depth, than it fucking has strategic depth. I'm so suprised people turn so quickly. You sound really angry to be honest
Epoch
So much distaste for sc2 here. Both sc2, and sc:bw are great games.
If sc2 is good enough for fucking Nada, Julyzerg, and Slayersboxer then it's good enough for you. It's fine if you don't like it. But none of you are too good for the game.
Woh what's with the *insert pro names * and them dictating what games should I play as a gamer . I will play what games I want, I wont blindly follow sc2 just because there were my previous heroes in broodwar . I will wish them luck, but don't expect me to enjoy watching sc2 like I do for broodwar. Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I said it's fine if you don't like it, but that no one here is too good for it. First thing your statement says "If sc2 is good enough for fucking Nada, Julyzerg, and Slayersboxer then it's good enough for you" is already implying that okay if our bw heroes are saying sc2 is good than it must be good for us right ? From a mob perspective and bandwagon mentality of course I will say yes . But from an individual who plays the game for him self , why should I play something I don't enjoy ? Second, you manage tell people it's fine you don't like it and in the end we can't because we just suck because we are not boxer caliber or nada so we as a fan don't have the right to choose the game we prefer to watch . Am right ? I don't get it, I don't go around to sc2 forum and keep telling people hey Flash is the best in town and plays broodwar and if you don't like it .Your opinion doesn't matter because your opinions are not worthy because you are not good at the game in the first place.
Uh, you don't seem to understand. I'm saying that you aren't too good for it. Which you aren't. If those players are not above it, then none of you are. Period. I'm not saying you have to like it. I'm saying you are not too good for it. So don't act like you are. Do you not understand? lol it's a pretty simple point
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