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Desert1fox
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom10 Posts
November 27 2011 11:08 GMT
#421
I can't complain with +23 this week for my main team, but Jangbi and Free are ruining my anti team -7 for them, I hope they get horrific form. I imagine free is ruining alot of peoples teams
Win or lose have a booze
IGotPlayguuu
Profile Joined June 2011
Italy660 Posts
November 27 2011 11:19 GMT
#422
mm I didn't get my FBH point
BW |JaeDong|Bisu|FBH|BeSt| SC2 |MC|DRG|MMA|TLO|HuK|July|ClouD| ||| Boxer best player ever! ||| "HuK never use penix" ||| I <3 SeleCT ||| GO Space! ||| Nerf Roach! |||
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
November 27 2011 11:26 GMT
#423
On November 27 2011 19:13 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 19:11 Talin wrote:
So how many other people did free's win make sad this morning?

Just when I thought I'd get a free pass on my anti points this round too.


God dammit, i know that feel.
And then Reality proceeded to win his game as well.
It's a bitter round for me

No offense, but you guys have only yourself to blame. Reality on the anti-team is a high-risk pick. Anyone who follows BW knows that he's the top terran prospect right now. It's only a question of time before he will start owning. Even if he haven't improved much since last season, he is worth the 4 points.

And Free, he have a long history as a ace player in proleague. Only a year ago he was the nr 1 protoss in the league, so he could escape his slump at any time.
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
November 27 2011 11:26 GMT
#424
You already got points ? I still have 0 .. l seems like the ACE points are not in yet. Well, lets see how far I can get.
Where is my ACE flair
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
November 27 2011 11:26 GMT
#425
On November 27 2011 20:08 Desert1fox wrote:
I can't complain with +23 this week for my main team, but Jangbi and Free are ruining my anti team -7 for them, I hope they get horrific form. I imagine free is ruining alot of peoples teams


uhhh what? you get 1 point for a win,2 points if your captain won,you lose one point if a player on your anti wins and gain nothing if he loses.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
November 27 2011 11:36 GMT
#426
Dont stress, points aren't done properly yet, waiting for some minor issues to be sorted, expect to see it your points up properly soon.
Writer
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
November 27 2011 11:40 GMT
#427
On November 27 2011 20:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 20:08 Desert1fox wrote:
I can't complain with +23 this week for my main team, but Jangbi and Free are ruining my anti team -7 for them, I hope they get horrific form. I imagine free is ruining alot of peoples teams


uhhh what? you get 1 point for a win,2 points if your captain won,you lose one point if a player on your anti wins and gain nothing if he loses.


You should re-read the OP! You confused something.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 27 2011 12:59 GMT
#428
On November 27 2011 19:58 ShadeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 19:32 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:30 Kipsate wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Fenrax wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:11 Talin wrote:
So how many other people did free's win make sad this morning?


278
by far the player on most Anti Teams


Runner up is like Action with 200 or so I think.


On November 27 2011 19:26 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Kipsate wrote:
why you would put reality on anti is beyond me.


I expected sub zero one hit wonder boy to fail , instead he power up and owned shy , but we shall see these is just the first round of fpl....


Samsung Khan has 2 terrans only, Turn and Reality
The maps look fairly terran favored.
Reality was the runner up for the #1 rookie award of the year
Reality made fairly far in the MSL only to fall to Jaedong's ZvT
and most importantly

January is in love with Reality.


What no love for shine ? I am doom.......

How many time have you played FPL? I realised after my 2nd time? That for your anti it's less about whos bad but rather more about whos going to be fielded the least.
Not that i can follow my own advice though. I've got Action Hoejja and Best lmao...


my first fpl , maybe I would have followed the advice if some one actually told me about it , I thought if the player is bad it's good for my anti , I guess It's too late to change right now , How does the trade system work ? Can I just simply trade a anti team player with another immediately or Do I need to wait for other players to trade with me ?.
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 13:03:08
November 27 2011 13:02 GMT
#429
On November 27 2011 21:59 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 19:58 ShadeR wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:32 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:30 Kipsate wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Fenrax wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:11 Talin wrote:
So how many other people did free's win make sad this morning?


278
by far the player on most Anti Teams


Runner up is like Action with 200 or so I think.


On November 27 2011 19:26 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Kipsate wrote:
why you would put reality on anti is beyond me.


I expected sub zero one hit wonder boy to fail , instead he power up and owned shy , but we shall see these is just the first round of fpl....


Samsung Khan has 2 terrans only, Turn and Reality
The maps look fairly terran favored.
Reality was the runner up for the #1 rookie award of the year
Reality made fairly far in the MSL only to fall to Jaedong's ZvT
and most importantly

January is in love with Reality.


What no love for shine ? I am doom.......

How many time have you played FPL? I realised after my 2nd time? That for your anti it's less about whos bad but rather more about whos going to be fielded the least.
Not that i can follow my own advice though. I've got Action Hoejja and Best lmao...


my first fpl , maybe I would have followed the advice if some one actually told me about it , I thought if the player is bad it's good for my anti , I guess It's too late to change right now , How does the trade system work ? Can I just simply trade a anti team player with another immediately or Do I need to wait for other players to trade with me ?.


You can trade but only ''downwards'' meaning that for anti's you can only trade ''upwards'' aka, on main team you trade for players of lower value and for anti you trade for players of higher value. for example, Snow was 6 points, but I can't trade him for say Best on my anti-team because Best is 4 points, I can however trade him for Bisu(lol) who is 10 points(or 11, I dunno). The same thing is the other way around, If I have say Bogus on my main team who is 7 points, I can not trade him for someone who is of higher value(E.G Bisu) but I can of lower value(E.G Killer who is 6 points).
Values change depending on performances, one player can become worth more or one can become worth less.
You trade with the ''system'' not with players, you also need to wait each week till trading ''opens''.

Moreover, you will recieve a penalty for trading of -1 point.
WriterXiao8~~
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
November 27 2011 13:07 GMT
#430
On November 27 2011 22:02 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 21:59 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:58 ShadeR wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:32 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:30 Kipsate wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Fenrax wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:11 Talin wrote:
So how many other people did free's win make sad this morning?


278
by far the player on most Anti Teams


Runner up is like Action with 200 or so I think.


On November 27 2011 19:26 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Kipsate wrote:
why you would put reality on anti is beyond me.


I expected sub zero one hit wonder boy to fail , instead he power up and owned shy , but we shall see these is just the first round of fpl....


Samsung Khan has 2 terrans only, Turn and Reality
The maps look fairly terran favored.
Reality was the runner up for the #1 rookie award of the year
Reality made fairly far in the MSL only to fall to Jaedong's ZvT
and most importantly

January is in love with Reality.


What no love for shine ? I am doom.......

How many time have you played FPL? I realised after my 2nd time? That for your anti it's less about whos bad but rather more about whos going to be fielded the least.
Not that i can follow my own advice though. I've got Action Hoejja and Best lmao...


my first fpl , maybe I would have followed the advice if some one actually told me about it , I thought if the player is bad it's good for my anti , I guess It's too late to change right now , How does the trade system work ? Can I just simply trade a anti team player with another immediately or Do I need to wait for other players to trade with me ?.


You can trade but only ''downwards'' meaning that for anti's you can only trade ''upwards'' aka, on main team you trade for players of lower value and for anti you trade for players of higher value. for example, Snow was 6 points, but I can't trade him for say Best on my anti-team because Best is 4 points, I can however trade him for Bisu(lol) who is 10 points(or 11, I dunno). The same thing is the other way around, If I have say Bogus on my main team who is 7 points, I can not trade him for someone who is of higher value(E.G Bisu) but I can of lower value(E.G Killer who is 6 points).
Values change depending on performances, one player can become worth more or one can become worth less.
You trade with the ''system'' not with players, you also need to wait each week till trading ''opens''.

Moreover, you will recieve a penalty for trading of -1 point.


thanks for the information , I would get a chance to amend my mistake than in my anti ...
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
Desert1fox
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom10 Posts
November 27 2011 13:13 GMT
#431
On November 27 2011 20:40 Fenrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 20:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:08 Desert1fox wrote:
I can't complain with +23 this week for my main team, but Jangbi and Free are ruining my anti team -7 for them, I hope they get horrific form. I imagine free is ruining alot of peoples teams


uhhh what? you get 1 point for a win,2 points if your captain won,you lose one point if a player on your anti wins and gain nothing if he loses.


You should re-read the OP! You confused something.

Well after re-reading it, as far as i can tell +1 for line up, +2 for win, +1 for team win??

By.Sun +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win = +4
n.Die_soO +1 Line up -1 Loss +1 Team win = +1
EffOrt + 1 Line up +2 Win + 1 Team win = +4
Neo.G_Soulkey (c) +1 Line up +2 Win (doubled) = +6
Shine +1 Team win
Turn +1 Team win
CJ Entus 3 - 0 Victory +6

Anti Team

Flying 0
Jangbi +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win
free +1 Line up + 2 Win

Total Main = +23 Total Anti = -7 Overall +16

Or am i missing something in the OP?
Win or lose have a booze
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
November 27 2011 13:43 GMT
#432
On November 27 2011 22:13 Desert1fox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 20:40 Fenrax wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:08 Desert1fox wrote:
I can't complain with +23 this week for my main team, but Jangbi and Free are ruining my anti team -7 for them, I hope they get horrific form. I imagine free is ruining alot of peoples teams


uhhh what? you get 1 point for a win,2 points if your captain won,you lose one point if a player on your anti wins and gain nothing if he loses.


You should re-read the OP! You confused something.

Well after re-reading it, as far as i can tell +1 for line up, +2 for win, +1 for team win??

By.Sun +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win = +4
n.Die_soO +1 Line up -1 Loss +1 Team win = +1
EffOrt + 1 Line up +2 Win + 1 Team win = +4
Neo.G_Soulkey (c) +1 Line up +2 Win (doubled) = +6
Shine +1 Team win
Turn +1 Team win
CJ Entus 3 - 0 Victory +6

Anti Team

Flying 0
Jangbi +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win
free +1 Line up + 2 Win

Total Main = +23 Total Anti = -7 Overall +16

Or am i missing something in the OP?


You are correct. I meant the guy I quoted, BLinD-RawR.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
November 27 2011 13:57 GMT
#433
On November 27 2011 22:13 Desert1fox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 20:40 Fenrax wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:08 Desert1fox wrote:
I can't complain with +23 this week for my main team, but Jangbi and Free are ruining my anti team -7 for them, I hope they get horrific form. I imagine free is ruining alot of peoples teams


uhhh what? you get 1 point for a win,2 points if your captain won,you lose one point if a player on your anti wins and gain nothing if he loses.


You should re-read the OP! You confused something.

Well after re-reading it, as far as i can tell +1 for line up, +2 for win, +1 for team win??

By.Sun +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win = +4
n.Die_soO +1 Line up -1 Loss +1 Team win = +1
EffOrt + 1 Line up +2 Win + 1 Team win = +4
Neo.G_Soulkey (c) +1 Line up +2 Win (doubled) = +6
Shine +1 Team win
Turn +1 Team win
CJ Entus 3 - 0 Victory +6

Anti Team

Flying 0
Jangbi +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win
free +1 Line up + 2 Win

Total Main = +23 Total Anti = -7 Overall +16

Or am i missing something in the OP?


now it makes sense.

but really 23 points?

u must be number 1.I thought you were counting points by player value.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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Desert1fox
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom10 Posts
November 27 2011 14:17 GMT
#434
On November 27 2011 22:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 22:13 Desert1fox wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:40 Fenrax wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:08 Desert1fox wrote:
I can't complain with +23 this week for my main team, but Jangbi and Free are ruining my anti team -7 for them, I hope they get horrific form. I imagine free is ruining alot of peoples teams


uhhh what? you get 1 point for a win,2 points if your captain won,you lose one point if a player on your anti wins and gain nothing if he loses.


You should re-read the OP! You confused something.

Well after re-reading it, as far as i can tell +1 for line up, +2 for win, +1 for team win??

By.Sun +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win = +4
n.Die_soO +1 Line up -1 Loss +1 Team win = +1
EffOrt + 1 Line up +2 Win + 1 Team win = +4
Neo.G_Soulkey (c) +1 Line up +2 Win (doubled) = +6
Shine +1 Team win
Turn +1 Team win
CJ Entus 3 - 0 Victory +6

Anti Team

Flying 0
Jangbi +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win
free +1 Line up + 2 Win

Total Main = +23 Total Anti = -7 Overall +16

Or am i missing something in the OP?


now it makes sense.

but really 23 points?

u must be number 1.I thought you were counting points by player value.

I think it's unlikely. Jangbi and Free
Win or lose have a booze
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 14:35:16
November 27 2011 14:21 GMT
#435
On November 27 2011 22:13 Desert1fox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 20:40 Fenrax wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On November 27 2011 20:08 Desert1fox wrote:
I can't complain with +23 this week for my main team, but Jangbi and Free are ruining my anti team -7 for them, I hope they get horrific form. I imagine free is ruining alot of peoples teams


uhhh what? you get 1 point for a win,2 points if your captain won,you lose one point if a player on your anti wins and gain nothing if he loses.


You should re-read the OP! You confused something.

+ Show Spoiler +
Well after re-reading it, as far as i can tell +1 for line up, +2 for win, +1 for team win??

By.Sun +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win = +4
n.Die_soO +1 Line up -1 Loss +1 Team win = +1
EffOrt + 1 Line up +2 Win + 1 Team win = +4

Neo.G_Soulkey (c) +1 Line up +2 Win (doubled) = +6
+ Show Spoiler +
Shine +1 Team win
Turn +1 Team win
CJ Entus 3 - 0 Victory +6

Anti Team

Flying 0
Jangbi +1 Line up +2 Win +1 Team win
free +1 Line up + 2 Win

Total Main = +23 Total Anti = -7 Overall +16

Or am i missing something in the OP?

Do the captain's points really double? Where did you get that? I can't find that part stated in the OP.

Edit: Btw, my Anti-team is only -1. So far so good . Having Jaedong, and 2 weak players(Chavi and Modesty) in my anti makes me really safe against Roro-esque players and I think Jeadong won't bring me problems as much as having 3 mediocre players.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
November 27 2011 14:24 GMT
#436
There's no doubling of captain points, so it's 3 points too many.

Captain can't be traded, and in the past was used for tie-breaking in case teams tied at the end of the season. I assume it's the same now.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 14:40:29
November 27 2011 14:33 GMT
#437
On November 27 2011 23:24 Zona wrote:
There's no doubling of captain points, so it's 3 points too many.

Captain can't be traded, and in the past was used for tie-breaking in case teams tied at the end of the season. I assume it's the same now.

Yeah what the fuck.... I'm always in the habit of making one of my weaker players Captain. If that was a new rule and somehow I'd just totally missed it I'd be so angry. (Best as a captain isn't so bad, but with Light, Soulkey, Effort...)

Edit. Yeah just re-read the rules for Captains and point scoring. It's as Zona says. Capt can't be traded, which is why a lot of people put low point players they assume they won't ever want to trade as Capt. On the other hand if by some fluke you not only win but tie for first, your captains points are compared to your opponents and highest wins. Still think its worth appointing someone you will never trade as Capt though (be that a high or low value player).

On November 27 2011 20:00 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 19:32 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:30 Kipsate wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Fenrax wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:11 Talin wrote:
So how many other people did free's win make sad this morning?


278
by far the player on most Anti Teams


Runner up is like Action with 200 or so I think.


On November 27 2011 19:26 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Kipsate wrote:
why you would put reality on anti is beyond me.


I expected sub zero one hit wonder boy to fail , instead he power up and owned shy , but we shall see these is just the first round of fpl....


Samsung Khan has 2 terrans only, Turn and Reality
The maps look fairly terran favored.
Reality was the runner up for the #1 rookie award of the year
Reality made fairly far in the MSL only to fall to Jaedong's ZvT
and most importantly

January is in love with Reality.


What no love for shine ? I am doom.......
\

Thats why entus pickups(imo) are pretty good anti picks, I have snow, he is worth 6 points, chances are Horang and Movie will be fielded over him except perhaps in a PvT snipe and I even doubt that since they also have Leta, Hydra and Alien.
I also have Skyhigh, who except in TvT and against Fantasy won't play or win anyway.
The only disadvantage is that Entus is likely to win so you will recieve -points for that, but they are safe antipicks for me

then again I picked ggaemo aswell so fuck that lol.


I have ggaemo too. I feel like we still made an 'ok' choice. I had Action originally and swapped him for ggaemo at the last second. But ggaemon realistically shouldn't be seeing too much play time on a team with Kal, Great, Iris, FBH, Piano, M18M. You'd think a team that deep they wouldn't play him every week... they better not.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-27 15:06:40
November 27 2011 14:52 GMT
#438
so how does feel to have (P)free[gm] in your antiteam guys?

oh i need to show off my e-penix

main

bogus: +1 (lineup) -1 (loss) = 0
brave: +1 (team win) = 1
effort: +1 (lineup) +2 (win) +1 (team win) = 4
leta: +1 (lineup) +2 (win) +1 (team win) = 4
reality: +1 (lineup) +2 (win) +1 (team win) = 4
shine: +1 (team win) = 1

samsung khan: +2 (victory 3-2)

overall: 16 points

anti

crazyhydra: 0
snow: -1 (team win)
hero: 0

overall: -1 point

TOTAL: 16-1= 15 points

:>

samsung ftw
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
November 27 2011 14:59 GMT
#439
On November 27 2011 23:33 Subversive wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 27 2011 23:24 Zona wrote:
There's no doubling of captain points, so it's 3 points too many.

Captain can't be traded, and in the past was used for tie-breaking in case teams tied at the end of the season. I assume it's the same now.

Yeah what the fuck.... I'm always in the habit of making one of my weaker players Captain. If that was a new rule and somehow I'd just totally missed it I'd be so angry. (Best as a captain isn't so bad, but with Light, Soulkey, Effort...)

Edit. Yeah just re-read the rules for Captains and point scoring. It's as Zona says. Capt can't be traded, which is why a lot of people put low point players they assume they won't ever want to trade as Capt. On the other hand if by some fluke you not only win but tie for first, your captains points are compared to your opponents and highest wins. Still think its worth appointing someone you will never trade as Capt though (be that a high or low value player).

Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 20:00 Kipsate wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:32 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:30 Kipsate wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Fenrax wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:11 Talin wrote:
So how many other people did free's win make sad this morning?


278
by far the player on most Anti Teams


Runner up is like Action with 200 or so I think.


On November 27 2011 19:26 Sawamura wrote:
On November 27 2011 19:21 Kipsate wrote:
why you would put reality on anti is beyond me.


I expected sub zero one hit wonder boy to fail , instead he power up and owned shy , but we shall see these is just the first round of fpl....


Samsung Khan has 2 terrans only, Turn and Reality
The maps look fairly terran favored.
Reality was the runner up for the #1 rookie award of the year
Reality made fairly far in the MSL only to fall to Jaedong's ZvT
and most importantly

January is in love with Reality.


What no love for shine ? I am doom.......
\

Thats why entus pickups(imo) are pretty good anti picks, I have snow, he is worth 6 points, chances are Horang and Movie will be fielded over him except perhaps in a PvT snipe and I even doubt that since they also have Leta, Hydra and Alien.
I also have Skyhigh, who except in TvT and against Fantasy won't play or win anyway.
The only disadvantage is that Entus is likely to win so you will recieve -points for that, but they are safe antipicks for me

then again I picked ggaemo aswell so fuck that lol.


I have ggaemo too. I feel like we still made an 'ok' choice. I had Action originally and swapped him for ggaemo at the last second. But ggaemon realistically shouldn't be seeing too much play time on a team with Kal, Great, Iris, FBH, Piano, M18M. You'd think a team that deep they wouldn't play him every week... they better not.

This is what ACE had to say about the way their line up was chosen

>Firebathero: We each picked our favourite maps, then did a random draw. The entry does not reflect our internal rankings. In the next game, you may not see me or the other two beside me, but you can expect the same ferocity and power.

> Piano: We're not kidding around here.

> Ggaemo: You can forget about the Airforce Ace you knew before.

I didn't think they'd be doing that when I put ggaemo on my anti, but meh we'll see lol
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cj balling it up first weekend for me;
killer- 0
wooki- 0
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leta- 4; effort- 4; bbyong- 1; CJ 6

+16 there, then -1 anti (s2, crazy hydra, and tyson) so +15 for me. good start. And damnit kt, use wooki instead of barracks.
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