Ground Zero is the worst "pro" map I've seen since Demon's Forest. Electric Current and Sniper Ridge aren't much better. This looks more like an april fool's mappool than a serious one...

Garrl

Scotland1972 Posts

November 17 2011 16:03 GMT

#242

Outlier = outsider with semi-islands (with more zanyness due to the semi-island highground points)?

slappy

United States1271 Posts

November 17 2011 16:06 GMT

#243

in the east the reverse swastika is an ancient buddhist symbol and has been used as such way before adolf came and gave it an negative connotation.

exactly

maps look sic tho im so effin excited !!!

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

November 17 2011 16:13 GMT

#244

It's always nice to have new maps, but these look like they could be very troublesome. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Xiphos

Canada7507 Posts

November 17 2011 16:29 GMT

#245

Alot of those maps looks very identical with Main on the corners, then naturals with expos on the sides of the main.

Toadily

United States837 Posts

November 17 2011 16:30 GMT

#246

haha, i can see why bisu complained about the maps xD

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10328 Posts

November 17 2011 16:40 GMT

#247

a map possibly better than python? =D (as in standard/fornewbs)

blahblahblahwhatever

Armenia52 Posts

November 17 2011 16:42 GMT

#248

On November 17 2011 19:29 Vuk_91 wrote:
How is zerg player going to defend against some sort of 2rax openings against terran on chain reaction? It seems like there is too much space to defend with sunkens :S

He can defend by not going 12 hatch.

sharkeyanti

United States1273 Posts

November 17 2011 16:44 GMT

#249

Why are people comparing Outlier to Outsider? Outsider is a 3-player map with a ramp from the main to a mineral-only third base. The tileset and "island: expansions are the only obvious similarities.

Ideas

United States8091 Posts

November 17 2011 16:47 GMT

#250

none of the map pics are showing up right now

operwolf

United States324 Posts

November 17 2011 16:56 GMT

#251

Cool looking maps, they sure do like the twilight tile set a bit much though

Hinanawi

United States2250 Posts

November 17 2011 17:07 GMT

#252

Chain Reaction and Outlier look wild.

Ground Zero...uh...well, that'll be...different.

Is it just me or does Jade look a little boring, giving each spawn "here, these are your two expos" like that?

baubo

China3370 Posts

November 17 2011 17:40 GMT

#253

From a balance perspective, I can see why protoss are complaining about the maps. I feel like It's T>Z>P. overall.

But I really wish they're fairly balanced, because I can envision some crazy strategies in non-mirror matchups. And I'm glad they've done some zany things so it's not just your typical Circuit Breaker/Fighting Spirit balance but yawners. But my fear is that they turn into Raid Assault or Fortress type mirror facepalms.

DarkMatter_

Canada1774 Posts

November 17 2011 17:44 GMT

#254

I expect we'll see Jaedong play on Ground Zero a lot given his success on maps like Fighting Spirit and Circuit Breaker.

MuK_x

743 Posts

November 17 2011 17:48 GMT

#255

i dont like chain reaction,but Jade looks so balanced.

gds

Iceland1391 Posts

November 17 2011 17:49 GMT

#256

Ground zero looks like a nightmare for P vs Z. I guess we'll have to wait and see but on the paper it doesnt look too good in my eyes.

BroodWarHD

136 Posts

November 17 2011 17:54 GMT

#257

On November 18 2011 01:42 blahblahblahwhatever wrote:

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He can defend by not going 12 hatch.

Ehh? Pool first openings are even weaker against 2rax. We had similar nat setup in the last MSL map too and 2 rax wasnt a problem there, in fact it will be easier to defend against sunkenbusters if you build your sunks on the edge of the highground so they have the height advantage over advancing troops

rabidch

United States20289 Posts

November 17 2011 18:02 GMT

#258

wowowow new maps look awesome in style but i'm guessing there's going to be a lot of problems for protoss this season

Crisium

United States1618 Posts

November 17 2011 18:16 GMT

#259

It just bugs me that there are 3 Twilight tile set maps. I know it's the easiest on the eyes, but 3/6, really? When we have 0 Desert and 0 Ice (can be done with little actual snow) and 0 Badlands. It just seems so repetitive and boring.

Hinanawi

United States2250 Posts

November 17 2011 18:22 GMT

#260

Can someone explain why P is going to have a hard time on these maps? Ground Zero looks T-favored, but besides that I can't see it. I'm only a D noob though, so I just wanted to hear from better players on why this map pool is supposed to be Protoss hell.

Edit: And even on Ground Zero, PvT looks like arbiter play would be really good. The middle ground is unbuildable, right? No Terran turret-pushes.