EPTThere seems to be an influx of strange behavior on the Fish server. People killing their own troops, giving vision, then leaving game.Sayle got trolled by it, as well as chatters on his and Pro7ect's stream today. Is it a fad among korean kids busting each others balls in Pc bangs? Is it an expression of ceremonial anger toward foreigners playing on fish? Whats going on? Quite unsettling to experience in a game.
Strange Fish Behavior
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BroodWarHD
136 Posts
There seems to be an influx of strange behavior on the Fish server. People killing their own troops, giving vision, then leaving game.Sayle got trolled by it, as well as chatters on his and Pro7ect's stream today. Is it a fad among korean kids busting each others balls in Pc bangs? Is it an expression of ceremonial anger toward foreigners playing on fish? Whats going on? Quite unsettling to experience in a game. | ||
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imEnex
Canada500 Posts
Personally, I think its BM, you shouldn't do that in a match first of all, but also in a ladder game. | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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Rawr
Sweden624 Posts
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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keiraknightlee
United States301 Posts
In other words, doing stuff ingame isn't BM, but verbally abusing the opponent sure is. Psychology and mindgames are just as much a part of the game as skill, technique, micro, macro. Bobby Fischer, the great chess player, once said that he played chess to enjoy seeing the moment when his opponent's ego would crumble. This might be seen as quite sadistic, but it's fun to watch. | ||
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BroodWarHD
136 Posts
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6832 Posts
On November 04 2011 04:58 kamikami wrote: Let's me tell u guys my story. One year ago I played on Iccup in a PvP and lost my first attack. I was definitely behind, 1 base vs 2 base. I'm fed up and order my zealots to kill my gateways and kill each other. My opponent sent 1 probe to scout, see that, typed " ???" and "R u OK ?" then quit, giving me the easy 130 points haha. So yeah that's a valid strategy to win points on ladder. sad..... really dont like this part then quit, giving me the easy 130 points haha | ||
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LML
Germany1785 Posts
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Notsober
France54 Posts
I played on fish dozen games and this shit happens with no reason, cannons start to kill the base and units kill eachothers but its purely automatic..they do not target their units to troll or whatever..And to conclude, they are always forced to leave the game and thus loose ladder points (if ladder games..) so what a big deal... It seems this "bug" happens when a foreigner plays but its purely randomely and could even happens to your own ally (i do only 22 and sometimes my own ally which i know well sees his units going insane) so what the hell is going on ???? is it fish ?? or what ? Help guys ! | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
So, I definitely know that it's possible for a hack program to exist that will have your own units kill eachother. Dangerous hack to have available on a server :D | ||
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KenNage
Chile885 Posts
On November 04 2011 05:36 Day[9] wrote: I know that once upon a time there was an "anti-maphack" software. Interestingly, the anti-maphack software had a malicious counter measure: if it detected you maphacking, it would have your own units shoot and kill eachother. In other words, the "anti-maphack software" was, itself, a hack lol. So, I definitely know that it's possible for a hack program to exist that will have your own units kill eachother. Dangerous hack to have available on a server :D LOL, i actually find this very funny XD | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On November 04 2011 05:36 Day[9] wrote: I know that once upon a time there was an "anti-maphack" software. Interestingly, the anti-maphack software had a malicious counter measure: if it detected you maphacking, it would have your own units shoot and kill eachother. In other words, the "anti-maphack software" was, itself, a hack lol. So, I definitely know that it's possible for a hack program to exist that will have your own units kill eachother. Dangerous hack to have available on a server :D Day[9] comes to save the day  | ||
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Notsober
France54 Posts
Thats not logical. Why would you use a hack and an anti hack at the same time ?? You use a hack only ;; Plus we all use mini launcher or wlauncher so basically hacks are detected, no it is not a hack, and it happened one time on a ladder game so the 4th players were clean. Does not make sense | ||
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MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On November 04 2011 05:36 Day[9] wrote: I know that once upon a time there was an "anti-maphack" software. Interestingly, the anti-maphack software had a malicious counter measure: if it detected you maphacking, it would have your own units shoot and kill eachother. In other words, the "anti-maphack software" was, itself, a hack lol. So, I definitely know that it's possible for a hack program to exist that will have your own units kill eachother. Dangerous hack to have available on a server :D I had it happen to me, also while streaming just yesterday. A guy in my chat mentioned that it could be a map problem. The thing is that when I host, all the koreans have the version of fighting spirit that I use - and I've used it coundless times on both fish and iccup without trouble. So day9, what I'm getting from your post (and I'm probably wrong here, but I want to understand it) is that when this happens, my opponents are actually cheating (or at least it reads as if they're cheating ...on this specific map?), and mini launcher's "antihack-hack" counteracts it by giving me vision and have him suicide? | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1695 Posts
On November 04 2011 05:29 LML wrote: oh well, I sometimes storm my own army, too, if I am majorly ahead. Really? What a dumb thing to do  just kidding, seriously this thing of killing my own units, i have never done. | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
but i do rather the AH dropped the hacker instead of killing him so it saves time. | ||
LuMiX
China5757 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6832 Posts
On November 04 2011 06:25 Metal[x] wrote: something similar happened to me but not really. I was in a 2v2 game and we were winning, then my ally said something to the opponents and started killing me then I got eliminated. xD maybe ur ally say that u are noob and he decided to kill u with ally off | ||
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NinjoOb
Canada128 Posts
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Notsober
France54 Posts
I think you are right bro, some korean dude told me with a miserable english it could be a map problem. But still, why is it recognized as a cheat ? And i hosted like yo many games before without any problems so..wtf ! | ||
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Notsober
France54 Posts
this is not taunting at all..as u said its early and they gotta leave the game so nice freelose..i just wish it is not a new insidious anti foreigners thing set up by fish itself ;; (as it occurs when at least when foreigner is in the game !) | ||
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NinjoOb
Canada128 Posts
On November 04 2011 06:56 Notsober wrote: @ninjoob this is not taunting at all..as u said its early and they gotta leave the game so nice freelose..i just wish it is not a new insidious anti foreigners thing set up by fish itself ;; (as it occurs when at least when foreigner is in the game !) It never happens between korean ips ? Like other people, I've always hosted the same version of FS and never had that happen in 3~4 months of play on fish. Maybe someone who can read korean should go check the fish forums to see if the issue is being discussed. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
for a shitlong time now, there has been a hack where you burrow drones and get 100k of minerals/gas. so much that it breaks the counter at the top lol. (Not patched and never will be) | ||
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
I´ve seen this 3-4 times on Sayles thread and it seems very strange. We need explination from someone who does actually do it (or that it is happening to). Korean speaker go massgame on fish?! | ||
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Notsober
France54 Posts
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Nazza
Australia1654 Posts
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Notsober
France54 Posts
i use wlauncher since i am on fish, this phenomenon is new. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11595 Posts
The anti-hack was one of the first issues of Penguin Plug. If you were caught map hacking then your own units/buildings would attack each other. It was to dissuade people from hacking. Maybe MiniLauncher had this updated into it. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9530 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=23206 | ||
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hehe
United States132 Posts
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On November 04 2011 08:49 hehe wrote: i wish someone remade penguin plug... that FPVOD replay feature was just to good http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=259853 Not exactly what you asked for, but I assume you didn't see this? | ||
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hehe
United States132 Posts
On November 04 2011 10:29 XsebT wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=259853 Not exactly what you asked for, but I assume you didn't see this? i watched the video it looks different than the plugin pp had. penguin plug didnt have the sound of their units/buildings being selected and you saw their mouse moving and the replay window was gone so it was actually like watching a stream in game | ||
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On November 04 2011 11:18 konadora wrote: is it just me or was anyone else's first reaction to thread title was "this should be in general forum" Yeah Strange Fish behaviour sounds like fishes are going crazy lols | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On November 04 2011 11:18 konadora wrote: is it just me or was anyone else's first reaction to thread title was "this should be in general forum" In that case I'd personally put it in the Liquid Team News forum. | ||
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KenNage
Chile885 Posts
On November 04 2011 08:49 hehe wrote: i wish someone remade penguin plug... that FPVOD replay feature was just to good i LOVED that feature /fpplay on was the shit, ive always missed it since PGT died =( | ||
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NotJumperer
United States1371 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On November 04 2011 05:36 Day[9] wrote: I know that once upon a time there was an "anti-maphack" software. Interestingly, the anti-maphack software had a malicious counter measure: if it detected you maphacking, it would have your own units shoot and kill eachother. In other words, the "anti-maphack software" was, itself, a hack lol. So, I definitely know that it's possible for a hack program to exist that will have your own units kill eachother. Dangerous hack to have available on a server :D I don't remember what you're talking about here, but I do remember there being a maphack that had a "backdoor" in it that could be exploited to make them kill their own units. There was a separate 'hack' released that purely took advantage of that backdoor to get your enemy to unally themselves. I assume it was something to do with auto-unally functionality that some hacks provided (such that if your ally backstabbed you, you'd automatically unally). Maybe you're misremembering that one slightly? | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32278 Posts
On November 09 2011 04:43 Insane wrote: I don't remember what you're talking about here, but I do remember there being a maphack that had a "backdoor" in it that could be exploited to make them kill their own units. There was a separate 'hack' released that purely took advantage of that backdoor to get your enemy to unally themselves. I assume it was something to do with auto-unally functionality that some hacks provided (such that if your ally backstabbed you, you'd automatically unally). Maybe you're misremembering that one slightly? Correct! | ||
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Muff2n
United Kingdom251 Posts
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akisa
Jamaica98 Posts
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
On November 09 2011 05:10 dRaW wrote: I don't think you can give vision in 1on1, but the attacking own units is very common. If you ever saw my stream I stasis/storm my own units all the time, even build nexus in their natural while the game is still going. Hey nice advertisement there, im def. gonna check it out now ^^ But also : its not just one person doing it, its multiple people. In the beginning with no telling on how the game is gonna end. And then usually leave the game. Super strange. | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9530 Posts
On November 09 2011 04:43 Insane wrote: I don't remember what you're talking about here, but I do remember there being a maphack that had a "backdoor" in it that could be exploited to make them kill their own units. There was a separate 'hack' released that purely took advantage of that backdoor to get your enemy to unally themselves. I assume it was something to do with auto-unally functionality that some hacks provided (such that if your ally backstabbed you, you'd automatically unally). Maybe you're misremembering that one slightly? He's talking about PenguinPlug. PP used to exploit that backdoor if it detected you using that maphack. Explanation from the creator of PP himself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=23206¤tpage=4#66 | ||
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mtvacuum
United States979 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11595 Posts
On November 11 2011 06:47 mtvacuum wrote: this has happened to me three times today, and it's getting pretty annoying. If you're trolling you're not very good at it. If you aren't, then please stop hacking. | ||
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KenNage
Chile885 Posts
On November 11 2011 06:52 CaucasianAsian wrote: If you're trolling you're not very good at it. If you aren't, then please stop hacking. maybe he was playing with someone else like 2v2 or something and his ally started killing himself | ||
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mtvacuum
United States979 Posts
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
It's like an ultimate show of "you suck so much that I'm going to let you win" kind of thing. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
On November 10 2011 08:08 Skeggaba wrote: Hey nice advertisement there, im def. gonna check it out now ^^ But also : its not just one person doing it, its multiple people. In the beginning with no telling on how the game is gonna end. And then usually leave the game. Super strange. Oh are you guys talking about melee games? they do this just to end the game fast ~ 2:00min so they can get their 30 games to ladder. Some alternative methods is the save game abuse. | ||
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CakeOrI)eath
United States327 Posts
I can't for the life of me remember who it was... a D+/C- Terran unfeatured streamer with like 20 viewers. Anyways, definitely a troll behavior and not a hack from what I can see. | ||
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soujiro_
Uruguay5195 Posts
some nice trolling from the loser + Show Spoiler + | ||
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NinjoOb
Canada128 Posts
On November 11 2011 11:17 soujiro_ wrote: best vs light on new tornado at the 47th minute some nice trolling from the loser + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01ty1HJAN8M I think he's just making some space for a final showdown because the map is almost mined out and he's broke. | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
On November 11 2011 06:52 CaucasianAsian wrote: If you're trolling you're not very good at it. If you aren't, then please stop hacking. What the hell are you talking about? | ||
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11595 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On November 10 2011 08:20 2Pacalypse- wrote: He's talking about PenguinPlug. PP used to exploit that backdoor if it detected you using that maphack. Explanation from the creator of PP himself: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=23206¤tpage=4#66 I was talking about PenguinPlug. His description is different from what PenguinPlug did. | ||
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On November 11 2011 12:20 CaucasianAsian wrote: I was under the impression that he said his units were attacking themselves. thus I assumed he was a hacker, or trolling the topic. But since that's not the case, my bad. so apparently if he was trolling, he's good at it, and if not, you're a dick | ||
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11595 Posts
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Notsober
France54 Posts
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NinjoOb
Canada128 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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