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BroodWarHD
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
136 Posts
November 03 2011 19:21 GMT
#1
Strange Fish Behavior


There seems to be an influx of strange behavior on the Fish server. People killing their own troops, giving vision, then leaving game.Sayle got trolled by it, as well as chatters on his and Pro7ect's stream today. Is it a fad among korean kids busting each others balls in Pc bangs? Is it an expression of ceremonial anger toward foreigners playing on fish? Whats going on? Quite unsettling to experience in a game.
imEnex
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
November 03 2011 19:24 GMT
#2
Maybe its not the foreigners but more showing that they have the game on their favour. On Sayle's stream, the opponent zealots were attacking each other just trolling the opponent saying that their in the lead and that killing each other's units doesn't matter.

Personally, I think its BM, you shouldn't do that in a match first of all, but also in a ladder game.
Program yourself to Success
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
November 03 2011 19:40 GMT
#3
aw man i wish i saw this. PEW PEW PEW PEW
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Rawr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Sweden624 Posts
November 03 2011 19:43 GMT
#4
I don't think that this has to be something new. It is just another way of being bm to people. It was the first time it happened to Sayle, but giving vision and such has happened before, right?
Joo Se-Hyuk
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
November 03 2011 19:45 GMT
#5
I remeber that some guy flicked sayle off in a game as well. Need chat to translate for him to understand.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
November 03 2011 19:49 GMT
#6
would be kinda...... Funny/Amusing if they lost cause they lost those units ..
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keiraknightlee
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States301 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 20:06:47
November 03 2011 19:51 GMT
#7
I don't think this sort of behavior is BM at all. Of course it's all subjective and there is no concrete definition of what constitutes BM and what doesn't, but being a show-off and taunting the opponent is still legal. Some people might say that you shouldn't make hatcheries in your opponent's base or infest command centers or mind control enemy units or anything to throw the opponent off his game or taunt the opponent. I think it's perfectly fine to be a show-off ingame and do whatever it takes to win, including killing your own units or other fun/wacky stuff, it keeps the game entertaining and fresh. But I do oppose verbal chat attacks.The whole point of killing your own units or something like that is to show your opponent "oh look i have more stuff than you i can easily win stop wasting my time u noob, im so good i can win even with killing my own units or making 5 hatcheries in your base LOL" you get the idea -.-

In other words, doing stuff ingame isn't BM, but verbally abusing the opponent sure is. Psychology and mindgames are just as much a part of the game as skill, technique, micro, macro. Bobby Fischer, the great chess player, once said that he played chess to enjoy seeing the moment when his opponent's ego would crumble. This might be seen as quite sadistic, but it's fun to watch.
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BroodWarHD
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
136 Posts
November 03 2011 19:53 GMT
#8
Yeah but when a guy does that and leaves the game, he still gets a lose, so no ladder points.. maybe to taunt and stay low on ladder to play weaker opponents?
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
November 03 2011 19:58 GMT
#9
Let's me tell u guys my story. One year ago I played on Iccup in a PvP and lost my first attack. I was definitely behind, 1 base vs 2 base. I'm fed up and order my zealots to kill my gateways and kill each other. My opponent sent 1 probe to scout, see that, typed " ???" and "R u OK ?" then quit, giving me the easy 130 points haha. So yeah that's a valid strategy to win points on ladder.
Khassar de Templari
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6832 Posts
November 03 2011 20:03 GMT
#10
On November 04 2011 04:58 kamikami wrote:
Let's me tell u guys my story. One year ago I played on Iccup in a PvP and lost my first attack. I was definitely behind, 1 base vs 2 base. I'm fed up and order my zealots to kill my gateways and kill each other. My opponent sent 1 probe to scout, see that, typed " ???" and "R u OK ?" then quit, giving me the easy 130 points haha. So yeah that's a valid strategy to win points on ladder.


sad..... really dont like this part
then quit, giving me the easy 130 points haha
LML
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Germany1785 Posts
November 03 2011 20:29 GMT
#11
oh well, I sometimes storm my own army, too, if I am majorly ahead.
LML
Notsober
Profile Joined November 2011
France54 Posts
November 03 2011 20:30 GMT
#12
Guys, you all are completely wrong. I talked with HD about this problem and he made this topic. The thing is, they do not kill their own units by their OWN, its automatic !!!
I played on fish dozen games and this shit happens with no reason, cannons start to kill the base and units kill eachothers but its purely automatic..they do not target their units to troll or whatever..And to conclude, they are always forced to leave the game and thus loose ladder points (if ladder games..) so what a big deal...
It seems this "bug" happens when a foreigner plays but its purely randomely and could even happens to your own ally (i do only 22 and sometimes my own ally which i know well sees his units going insane)
so what the hell is going on ???? is it fish ?? or what ? Help guys !
life is ;;
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
November 03 2011 20:36 GMT
#13
I know that once upon a time there was an "anti-maphack" software. Interestingly, the anti-maphack software had a malicious counter measure: if it detected you maphacking, it would have your own units shoot and kill eachother. In other words, the "anti-maphack software" was, itself, a hack lol.

So, I definitely know that it's possible for a hack program to exist that will have your own units kill eachother. Dangerous hack to have available on a server :D
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
KenNage
Profile Joined May 2009
Chile885 Posts
November 03 2011 20:40 GMT
#14
On November 04 2011 05:36 Day[9] wrote:
I know that once upon a time there was an "anti-maphack" software. Interestingly, the anti-maphack software had a malicious counter measure: if it detected you maphacking, it would have your own units shoot and kill eachother. In other words, the "anti-maphack software" was, itself, a hack lol.

So, I definitely know that it's possible for a hack program to exist that will have your own units kill eachother. Dangerous hack to have available on a server :D


LOL, i actually find this very funny XD
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
November 03 2011 20:42 GMT
#15
On November 04 2011 05:36 Day[9] wrote:
I know that once upon a time there was an "anti-maphack" software. Interestingly, the anti-maphack software had a malicious counter measure: if it detected you maphacking, it would have your own units shoot and kill eachother. In other words, the "anti-maphack software" was, itself, a hack lol.

So, I definitely know that it's possible for a hack program to exist that will have your own units kill eachother. Dangerous hack to have available on a server :D

Day[9] comes to save the day
Notsober
Profile Joined November 2011
France54 Posts
November 03 2011 20:46 GMT
#16
@day 9
Thats not logical. Why would you use a hack and an anti hack at the same time ?? You use a hack only ;;
Plus we all use mini launcher or wlauncher so basically hacks are detected, no it is not a hack, and it happened one time on a ladder game so the 4th players were clean. Does not make sense
life is ;;
MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
November 03 2011 20:46 GMT
#17
I read this as Strange FLASH Behavior o_O
Life's good :D
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
November 03 2011 20:55 GMT
#18
On November 04 2011 05:36 Day[9] wrote:
I know that once upon a time there was an "anti-maphack" software. Interestingly, the anti-maphack software had a malicious counter measure: if it detected you maphacking, it would have your own units shoot and kill eachother. In other words, the "anti-maphack software" was, itself, a hack lol.

So, I definitely know that it's possible for a hack program to exist that will have your own units kill eachother. Dangerous hack to have available on a server :D

I had it happen to me, also while streaming just yesterday. A guy in my chat mentioned that it could be a map problem. The thing is that when I host, all the koreans have the version of fighting spirit that I use - and I've used it coundless times on both fish and iccup without trouble.
So day9, what I'm getting from your post (and I'm probably wrong here, but I want to understand it) is that when this happens, my opponents are actually cheating (or at least it reads as if they're cheating ...on this specific map?), and mini launcher's "antihack-hack" counteracts it by giving me vision and have him suicide?
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1695 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-03 21:00:59
November 03 2011 20:59 GMT
#19
On November 04 2011 05:29 LML wrote:
oh well, I sometimes storm my own army, too, if I am majorly ahead.


Really? What a dumb thing to do

just kidding, seriously this thing of killing my own units, i have never done.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
fabiano
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Brazil4644 Posts
November 03 2011 21:12 GMT
#20
if day9 is correct, that would be so funny hahah

but i do rather the AH dropped the hacker instead of killing him so it saves time.
"When the geyser died, a probe came out" - SirJolt
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