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On October 27 2011 09:05 fabiano wrote:
SC2 has 3 major disadvantages when comparing to BW (excluding the gameplay/balance):
1) BW is infinitely cheaper than SC2
2) BW runs on any PC, SC2 only runs on newer PCs
3) BW has LAN, freedom to implement decent laddering systems and much more, SC2 is bound to Bnet 2.0, SC2 scene is hostage of Blizzard's will (horrible map pool, no LAN, blabla)
I like how the first point is also the 3rd point.
On October 27 2011 09:15 Onox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 09:05 fabiano wrote:this article is kind of biased though, while I was reading I could see that the guy who wrote this is just another SC2 fan (not in an offensive way) who just wishes them to transition. SC2 has 3 major disadvantages when comparing to BW (excluding the gameplay/balance): 1) BW is infinitely cheaper than SC2 2) BW runs on any PC, SC2 only runs on newer PCs 3) BW has LAN, freedom to implement decent laddering systems and much more, SC2 is bound to Bnet 2.0, SC2 scene is hostage of Blizzard's will (horrible map pool, no LAN, blabla) Edit: well, actually I meant BW isn't necessarily bound to Bnet so you can have different servers and what not >.> @1st point. I think I've heard you can play sc2 for free in pc cafes, I could be mistaken though Doesn't change the price if you want to play at home though.
I think a lot of PC Baangs can't run SC2.
On October 27 2011 10:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 10:37 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2011 10:29 Tump wrote:On October 27 2011 10:22 nalgene wrote:
There's also something about not having LAN... in the event that their company ever dies... you can't play on bnet 2.0 anymore... but BW ( even if the company died, you can still play LAN )... you could even play the game even in places with no internet... Because Blizzard is going to die, WoW makes bad revenue, and no one will buy any SC2 expansions or Diablo 3. Haha, not gonna happen anytime soon. They have a pretty tight noose on the competition. They need competition though and other developers really have to stop copying them (most notably with the WoW Design). I hate monopolies. Companies never do as good without good competition. ;/ Lol, companies need to stop copying Blizzard's WoW design. You know why they do? Because WoW was copied from Everquest, which itself was a rip off. Innovation is so much more difficult to get you somewhere than copying with a little glitter!
Brood War is a rip off of Warhammer 40K!
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On October 27 2011 10:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 10:37 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2011 10:29 Tump wrote:On October 27 2011 10:22 nalgene wrote:
There's also something about not having LAN... in the event that their company ever dies... you can't play on bnet 2.0 anymore... but BW ( even if the company died, you can still play LAN )... you could even play the game even in places with no internet... Because Blizzard is going to die, WoW makes bad revenue, and no one will buy any SC2 expansions or Diablo 3. Haha, not gonna happen anytime soon. They have a pretty tight noose on the competition. They need competition though and other developers really have to stop copying them (most notably with the WoW Design). I hate monopolies. Companies never do as good without good competition. ;/ Lol, companies need to stop copying Blizzard's WoW design. You know why they do? Because WoW was copied from Everquest, which itself was a rip off. Innovation is so much more difficult to get you somewhere than copying with a little glitter!
I wish there was some real competition for SC2/BW. The only major RTS release I can think of in the last 2 years was DoW2, and they sorta went really far away from anything esports-ey. why arent there any other developers out there trying to make a good competitive, spectator-friendly RTS? I'm fine playing BW but how awesome would it be if there was someone out there making games that made SC2 need to be even better to compete?
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On October 27 2011 10:55 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 10:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 27 2011 10:37 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2011 10:29 Tump wrote:On October 27 2011 10:22 nalgene wrote:
There's also something about not having LAN... in the event that their company ever dies... you can't play on bnet 2.0 anymore... but BW ( even if the company died, you can still play LAN )... you could even play the game even in places with no internet... Because Blizzard is going to die, WoW makes bad revenue, and no one will buy any SC2 expansions or Diablo 3. Haha, not gonna happen anytime soon. They have a pretty tight noose on the competition. They need competition though and other developers really have to stop copying them (most notably with the WoW Design). I hate monopolies. Companies never do as good without good competition. ;/ Lol, companies need to stop copying Blizzard's WoW design. You know why they do? Because WoW was copied from Everquest, which itself was a rip off. Innovation is so much more difficult to get you somewhere than copying with a little glitter! I wish there was some real competition for SC2/BW. The only major RTS release I can think of in the last 2 years was DoW2, and they sorta went really far away from anything esports-ey. why arent there any other developers out there trying to make a good competitive, spectator-friendly RTS? I'm fine playing BW but how awesome would it be if there was someone out there making games that made SC2 need to be even better to compete?
FPS sells more? I think thats a reason.
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On October 27 2011 10:55 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 10:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 27 2011 10:37 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2011 10:29 Tump wrote:On October 27 2011 10:22 nalgene wrote:
There's also something about not having LAN... in the event that their company ever dies... you can't play on bnet 2.0 anymore... but BW ( even if the company died, you can still play LAN )... you could even play the game even in places with no internet... Because Blizzard is going to die, WoW makes bad revenue, and no one will buy any SC2 expansions or Diablo 3. Haha, not gonna happen anytime soon. They have a pretty tight noose on the competition. They need competition though and other developers really have to stop copying them (most notably with the WoW Design). I hate monopolies. Companies never do as good without good competition. ;/ Lol, companies need to stop copying Blizzard's WoW design. You know why they do? Because WoW was copied from Everquest, which itself was a rip off. Innovation is so much more difficult to get you somewhere than copying with a little glitter! I wish there was some real competition for SC2/BW. The only major RTS release I can think of in the last 2 years was DoW2, and they sorta went really far away from anything esports-ey. why arent there any other developers out there trying to make a good competitive, spectator-friendly RTS? I'm fine playing BW but how awesome would it be if there was someone out there making games that made SC2 need to be even better to compete?
would rather say wc3 then DoW2
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On October 27 2011 11:01 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 10:55 Ideas wrote:On October 27 2011 10:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 27 2011 10:37 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2011 10:29 Tump wrote:On October 27 2011 10:22 nalgene wrote:
There's also something about not having LAN... in the event that their company ever dies... you can't play on bnet 2.0 anymore... but BW ( even if the company died, you can still play LAN )... you could even play the game even in places with no internet... Because Blizzard is going to die, WoW makes bad revenue, and no one will buy any SC2 expansions or Diablo 3. Haha, not gonna happen anytime soon. They have a pretty tight noose on the competition. They need competition though and other developers really have to stop copying them (most notably with the WoW Design). I hate monopolies. Companies never do as good without good competition. ;/ Lol, companies need to stop copying Blizzard's WoW design. You know why they do? Because WoW was copied from Everquest, which itself was a rip off. Innovation is so much more difficult to get you somewhere than copying with a little glitter! I wish there was some real competition for SC2/BW. The only major RTS release I can think of in the last 2 years was DoW2, and they sorta went really far away from anything esports-ey. why arent there any other developers out there trying to make a good competitive, spectator-friendly RTS? I'm fine playing BW but how awesome would it be if there was someone out there making games that made SC2 need to be even better to compete? FPS sells more? I think thats a reason.
Think its part of the reason, RTSs don't sell as much, especially in US(where everyone plays on consoles), RTSs can't be sold on the consoles so it wont sell for as much.
ow and SC2 had BW to build forth on, you are going to do what......build an E-sport game from the ground up with no community nothing ?thats not going to be easy.
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Also because people don't really play non Blizzard RTS games. The most successful recently are COH/DOW and they never had big player bases. A company makes a game like Armies of Exigo and 0 people play it, why even bother?
Of course, more RTS games coming out doesn't mean anything for the competitive scene if the FPS genre is any indication. There's a new FPS every week and they're always garbage for competition.
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On October 27 2011 11:29 floor exercise wrote:
Also because people don't really play non Blizzard RTS games. The most successful recently are COH/DOW and they never had big player bases. A company makes a game like Armies of Exigo and 0 people play it, why even bother?
Of course, more RTS games coming out doesn't mean anything for the competitive scene if the FPS genre is any indication. There's a new FPS every week and they're always garbage for competition.
it was only a few years ago that RTS games were like the biggest genre on PC ( I remember reading an article around 2005/2006 that showed that strategy games (not just RTSs though) sold more than FPSs/MMOs/RPGs). I guess it's probably a lot easier to make a competent multiplayer shooter than a competent FPS.
man I hope valve makes an RTS after dota 2 lol
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On October 27 2011 09:05 fabiano wrote:
1) BW is infinitely cheaper than SC2
2) BW runs on any PC, SC2 only runs on newer PCs
3) BW has LAN, freedom to implement decent laddering systems and much more, SC2 is bound to Bnet 2.0, SC2 scene is hostage of Blizzard's will (horrible map pool, no LAN, blabla)
Although BW may be more accessible than SC2 in terms of hardware requirements, what worries me is that the opposite may be true in terms of operating systems. As it stands now, SC2 can definitely run on Windows 7 (granted that hardware requirements are met). However, I've heard horror stories of people desperately trying to get BW working correctly on Windows 7. Also, it appears that Blizzard is already cutting support for the newest Mac OSX. What if Blizzard does the same for the next Windows version and cuts support altogether? Then, BW would only work on outdated OSs, and I would imagine that it'd be pretty hard to grow a player base with that hurdle.
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On October 27 2011 11:17 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 11:01 fabiano wrote:On October 27 2011 10:55 Ideas wrote:On October 27 2011 10:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 27 2011 10:37 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2011 10:29 Tump wrote:On October 27 2011 10:22 nalgene wrote:
There's also something about not having LAN... in the event that their company ever dies... you can't play on bnet 2.0 anymore... but BW ( even if the company died, you can still play LAN )... you could even play the game even in places with no internet... Because Blizzard is going to die, WoW makes bad revenue, and no one will buy any SC2 expansions or Diablo 3. Haha, not gonna happen anytime soon. They have a pretty tight noose on the competition. They need competition though and other developers really have to stop copying them (most notably with the WoW Design). I hate monopolies. Companies never do as good without good competition. ;/ Lol, companies need to stop copying Blizzard's WoW design. You know why they do? Because WoW was copied from Everquest, which itself was a rip off. Innovation is so much more difficult to get you somewhere than copying with a little glitter! I wish there was some real competition for SC2/BW. The only major RTS release I can think of in the last 2 years was DoW2, and they sorta went really far away from anything esports-ey. why arent there any other developers out there trying to make a good competitive, spectator-friendly RTS? I'm fine playing BW but how awesome would it be if there was someone out there making games that made SC2 need to be even better to compete? FPS sells more? I think thats a reason. Think its part of the reason, RTSs don't sell as much, especially in US(where everyone plays on consoles), RTSs can't be sold on the consoles so it wont sell for as much. ow and SC2 had BW to build forth on, you are going to do what......build an E-sport game from the ground up with no community nothing ?thats not going to be easy.
Anyone remember Starcaft 64?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft#Nintendo_64_version
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On October 27 2011 10:55 Ideas wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 10:44 TwoToneTerran wrote:On October 27 2011 10:37 StarStruck wrote:On October 27 2011 10:29 Tump wrote:On October 27 2011 10:22 nalgene wrote:
There's also something about not having LAN... in the event that their company ever dies... you can't play on bnet 2.0 anymore... but BW ( even if the company died, you can still play LAN )... you could even play the game even in places with no internet... Because Blizzard is going to die, WoW makes bad revenue, and no one will buy any SC2 expansions or Diablo 3. Haha, not gonna happen anytime soon. They have a pretty tight noose on the competition. They need competition though and other developers really have to stop copying them (most notably with the WoW Design). I hate monopolies. Companies never do as good without good competition. ;/ Lol, companies need to stop copying Blizzard's WoW design. You know why they do? Because WoW was copied from Everquest, which itself was a rip off. Innovation is so much more difficult to get you somewhere than copying with a little glitter! I wish there was some real competition for SC2/BW. The only major RTS release I can think of in the last 2 years was DoW2, and they sorta went really far away from anything esports-ey. why arent there any other developers out there trying to make a good competitive, spectator-friendly RTS? I'm fine playing BW but how awesome would it be if there was someone out there making games that made SC2 need to be even better to compete?
Red Alert 3 tried to copy a lot of design elements from the SC2 alphas in an attempt to capitalize on the pre-SC2 RTS market. IMO, it kinda felt like a hybrid between C&C3 and SC2, though it had an underwhelming release and fell victim to EA's lack of post-launch support as EA Los Angeles quickly moved on to rushing the disastrous C&C4 before being shut down entirely.
I think most developers are just too scared to create a game that can compete with SC2 as an esporty, traditional RTS. SC2 has almost full control of this very niche market, and to compete with it would also mean trying to compete with Blizzard's extensive polish, production values, and post-launch support. It's cheaper and easier to just create a normal RTS through a more conventional design process rather than be burdened by trying to directly compete with SC2.
Also, a lot of popular RTS franchises kinda killed themselves off in recent years. Rise of Nations was a great game and held a lot of promise as a franchise, but Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends turned out to be quite mediocre. Empire Earth held a lot of popularity as a franchise, but Empire Earth 3 was a complete disaster and pretty much killed off that franchise. Age of Empires sorta died after Ensemble shut down, and Age of Empires Online isn't really doing the franchise justice. Command and Conquer got forever tainted by C&C4 which caused EALA, the studio behind post-Westwood C&C games, to shut down, and there is almost no public info on the next C&C game hat is secretly in development. Supreme Commander dropped the ball with Sup Com 2, and it seems that the studio's next game, Kings and Castles, is Sup Com in a fantasy setting. Warcraft is on hold until next century, and SC3 the century after that.
There is a chance that a smaller studio may pull off another Armies of Exigo, but without the support of a larger studio or publisher, it may inevitably be forgotten under the shadow of bigger names and franchises.
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it was posted already in the previous page.
Edit: page 82,not previous page.
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Ah sorry, skimmed the last page but didn't see it linked, didn't think to check in quotes.
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On October 27 2011 05:09 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.fomos.kr/board/issue/1319623451_6.jpg) Wonder what the 4 gosu's are discussing.. Probably how it feels to win an OSL title  (LOL Beesuit)
wait..doesn't fantasy eat his burger upside down?
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On October 27 2011 17:57 ondik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 05:09 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:Wonder what the 4 gosu's are discussing.. Probably how it feels to win an OSL title (LOL Beesuit) wait..doesn't fantasy eat his burger upside down?
wait... does it matter?
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On October 27 2011 17:57 ondik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 05:09 sGs.Kal_rA wrote:Wonder what the 4 gosu's are discussing.. Probably how it feels to win an OSL title (LOL Beesuit) wait..doesn't fantasy eat his burger upside down?
yea, he's THAT good 
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jaedong could beat destiny in bw with just his mouse
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On October 27 2011 18:05 Bd.Snake wrote:
jaedong could beat destiny in bw with just his mouse
Losira almost did it last MLG in 1 game vs someone else.
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On October 27 2011 18:21 Herper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 18:05 Bd.Snake wrote:
jaedong could beat destiny in bw with just his mouse Losira almost did it last MLG in 1 game vs someone else.
against iNcontrol during MLG Columbus.
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On October 27 2011 18:05 Bd.Snake wrote:
jaedong could beat destiny in bw with just his mouse
why would destiny be playing a game he no longer plays lol
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