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Stop being jerks to each other please. Stop talking about seperate TL sites, BW vs SC2, or which fan base is retarded/ignorant/elitist/old/constipated.
Don't post in the thread unless you take the time to read the situation.
Don't post in the thread to let others know that they should have been banned longer.
Don't post in the thread to claim that kespa is the evil empire based on you reading the translated musing of a random Chinese blogger.
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On September 29 2011 07:57 Game wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 23:33 Sawamura wrote:On September 28 2011 23:12 infinity2k9 wrote:
If Kolll didn't show the potential to be one day an A-team progamer, then who else? I'm pretty sure he meant after some time in Korea. Not immediately. Kolll was 14 at the WCG where he came 4th. Now of course a few years lost of possible hard practice is bad but i think if he had the potential then he's still got it and could do something for sure. But this is all theoretical and i believe he's correctly focusing on education. Like i said in another topic in the past i would have chosen Kolll/gosi[terran] out of anyone to 'realistically' compete over there.
To be honest i think KeSPA would legitimately welcome the publicity of a foreign player with everything that's happened lately, if someone had a line of communication with them. But i'm not sure anybody right now is willing to dedicate their all to it, i might be wrong though i'm not familar with a lot of the foreign players situations. I agree tl.net should sponsor koll to qualify in courage :D I am not against this 
Oh man, I would be so excited to see kolll give it a shot in Korea, the kid is just oozing with potential. It's a shame that we don't have Artosis to promote foreigners in the pro Korean scene anymore.
On September 29 2011 09:00 Seraphic wrote:
Yay! I'm glad for several reasons. The biggest one is JD finally get's a new team he's been asking for. Hopefully with BaBy.
I am actually really hoping BaBy doesn't end up on a team with Jaedong. The two of them produce such awesome games that I would hate to see that matchup become a team kill.
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On September 28 2011 04:30 Game wrote:
This is great. I can foresee a couple of gossip problems outside of the league, but, other than that it's great. This goes out to all of those who doubted BW. We have something besides corporations, it's called patriotism. Get some. So awesomeeeeeeeee
"SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters."
Nice quote there joseph
Can I take a wild guess and say, you lose a lot.
My second guess is that when you lose, your rage centers around calling them a tryhard.
<shrug>
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On September 29 2011 08:10 setzer wrote:
Thread before put in Community News = great!
Thread after put in Community News = filled with SC2 trolls and ignorant KeSPA bashing
People who still like and follow BW are going to find this information on the BW forums that is (relatively) free of trolling. Every experience I have had with a BW topic that is put on community news is almost instantly met with trolling, red text everywhere and a huge mod warning at the top explicitly stated that SC2 vs BW discussions will not be tolerated. I definitely feel that some information should be put there, but when it is specific to only BW the result has not been one of overall positivity.
I personally feel the mods would save some time (and a few aspirin) if controversial topics like were kept to the BW forum.
To rebuke Imbatoss: there is a wealth of information on TL that can introduce a SC2 player to BW such as liquipedia, TLPD, the vods section, and most importantly the TL write-ups that are constantly put out. None of those invoke the trolling and disrespect some people show when news like this gets put on the community news section.
User was warned for this post
Ouch, do I need rebuking? That hurts a little. I've worked pretty hard in this scene trying to make BW as attractive as possible.
On September 29 2011 07:52 MrSandman wrote:
Edit: read the note above
Basically, long live brood war, go Kespa for helping the scene stay successful and let's look for some more damn good star league finals.
XD this. That OSL final had me on the edge of my seat til the last second... I actually said to my team on skype "shit, there's no way Jangbi could win this now". Absolute instant classic, if I was a CEO of anything I'd have been chucking sponsorship at the TV at that point 
On September 29 2011 09:26 OPL3SA2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 04:30 Game wrote:
This is great. I can foresee a couple of gossip problems outside of the league, but, other than that it's great. This goes out to all of those who doubted BW. We have something besides corporations, it's called patriotism. Get some. So awesomeeeeeeeee "SC is like sex. You should play often, but never too hard. And you should only try hard when it matters."Nice quote there joseph Can I take a wild guess and say, you lose a lot. My second guess is that when you lose, your rage centers around calling them a tryhard. <shrug>
LMAO way to have never heard of LRM)Game...
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We are not even sure bout the real text. The chinese translator could be trolling for all I know.
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On September 29 2011 08:43 Caladbolg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 08:07 mprs wrote:
I think what people need to realize is that this is great news for BW, but even better news for SC2 (well not really better, but really great). The success of BW drives the success of SC2, so everyone should be happy. Fully agree. To elaborate on this point, any sign that BW is recovering and can still continue bodes well for SC2 because of e-sports perception in general: that it's not really a sport. If BW can continue to survive and thrive financially through sponsors, then SC2 will always have that "potential" to be the next BW. If BW dies due to lack of financing, then potential sponsors for SC2 would see the sequel going down the path of its predecessor and hesitate to invest any money in it at all. I think this applies not only to Korea but to the rest of the world as well. The world follows what happens in Korea, so if the professional league/scene dies, then that will affect how the foreign scene will be perceived as well. A dead GSL will = a dying SC2 scene.
Or it can end up like the Counter-Strike scene where none of the games get enough attention to grow and evolve and slowly choke eachother to death. I fear that this may be the case. Esport in Korea may benefit from a flourishing BW scene in the long run, but not necessarily SC2.
That's a rather gloomy way to look at it but just as realistic as these 'this is grrreat for sc2!'-post.
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On September 29 2011 09:35 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 08:43 Caladbolg wrote:On September 29 2011 08:07 mprs wrote:
I think what people need to realize is that this is great news for BW, but even better news for SC2 (well not really better, but really great). The success of BW drives the success of SC2, so everyone should be happy. Fully agree. To elaborate on this point, any sign that BW is recovering and can still continue bodes well for SC2 because of e-sports perception in general: that it's not really a sport. If BW can continue to survive and thrive financially through sponsors, then SC2 will always have that "potential" to be the next BW. If BW dies due to lack of financing, then potential sponsors for SC2 would see the sequel going down the path of its predecessor and hesitate to invest any money in it at all. I think this applies not only to Korea but to the rest of the world as well. The world follows what happens in Korea, so if the professional league/scene dies, then that will affect how the foreign scene will be perceived as well. A dead GSL will = a dying SC2 scene. Or it can end up like the Counter-Strike scene where none of the games get enough attention to grow and evolve and slowly choke eachother to death. I fear that this may be the case. Esport in Korea may benefit from a flourishing BW scene in the long run, but not necessarily SC2. That's a rather gloomy way to look at it but just as realistic as these 'this is grrreat for sc2!'-post.
Much prefer the non-gloomy viewpoint, haha. When two scenarios seem equally realistic, I'd cast my lot with the optimistic outcome. It might hurt more, but it's always nicer to hope.
The CS scene was/is already an example of a scene that got badly divided. It didn't help that top players kept transferring teams (sounds familiar). At least we're all aware of what could happen, and can do our part to prevent that outcome for Starcraft in general. Moreover, we have a (currently) workable framework that we can just build on (Korean E-sports) and emulate in other places.
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So if Kespa owns all teams how does player trading work? It seems to me that Kespa is unlikely to get into a biding war agaisn't themselves for players, how will this effect player salaries?
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On September 29 2011 10:36 Krogan wrote:
So if Kespa owns all teams how does player trading work? It seems to me that Kespa is unlikely to get into a biding war agaisn't themselves for players, how will this effect player salaries?
This new management thing only applies to any new teams formed, that's if it's applied at all. Regardless, none of the existing teams will be affected.
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This sounds like great news 
Broodwar still going strong!
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On September 29 2011 10:44 Ryo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 10:36 Krogan wrote:
So if Kespa owns all teams how does player trading work? It seems to me that Kespa is unlikely to get into a biding war agaisn't themselves for players, how will this effect player salaries? This new management thing only applies to any new teams formed, that's if it's applied at all. Regardless, none of the existing teams will be affected.
Alright I missed that, so you are saying 3 teams will be managed by the league (Kespa) and 5 teams by themselves? Hm I am sorry but if anything that sounds even more dodgy.
To be honest this sounds a lot like putting a band aid on someone that just had their arm ripped off.
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On September 29 2011 09:20 conTAgi0n wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 07:57 Game wrote:On September 28 2011 23:33 Sawamura wrote:On September 28 2011 23:12 infinity2k9 wrote:
If Kolll didn't show the potential to be one day an A-team progamer, then who else? I'm pretty sure he meant after some time in Korea. Not immediately. Kolll was 14 at the WCG where he came 4th. Now of course a few years lost of possible hard practice is bad but i think if he had the potential then he's still got it and could do something for sure. But this is all theoretical and i believe he's correctly focusing on education. Like i said in another topic in the past i would have chosen Kolll/gosi[terran] out of anyone to 'realistically' compete over there.
To be honest i think KeSPA would legitimately welcome the publicity of a foreign player with everything that's happened lately, if someone had a line of communication with them. But i'm not sure anybody right now is willing to dedicate their all to it, i might be wrong though i'm not familar with a lot of the foreign players situations. I agree tl.net should sponsor koll to qualify in courage :D I am not against this Oh man, I would be so excited to see kolll give it a shot in Korea, the kid is just oozing with potential. It's a shame that we don't have Artosis to promote foreigners in the pro Korean scene anymore.
I was working on somthing similar to this. My goal was to pit the best foreigners. against the newer blood on the Korean teams. It was to sort of see if foreigners would be able to auctally compete in something like courage and play against the Koreans well. If that was the case and foreigners could compete. That would be great. Of course that is nothing like courage. but it would be almost a test run. If Foreigners could compete. KeSPA might have taken notice of the foreigner scene and worked with foreigners.
The problem though will all this is KeSPA staff themselves. I sent them numrous e-mail and long detailed plans. I had everything set up. Just needed the players (both foreigner and Korean) KeSPA stopped responding to e-mail. Their last e-mail to me was telling me it was undergoing approval and I should hear a response shortly. It never came, or its been since may and I've gotten nothing. I've sent many e-mail to them and nothing back.
KeSPA ignores the foreigner scene. Even Sean Oh (CJ marketing manager) sent them a e-mail asking them to speed up the process. Nothing occured.
Its quite sad to see really. If KeSPA would take a little notice in the foreigner scene. It would be easier for someone like Koll to go to courage and play. Travelling to Korea for possibly 1 BO3 is rather silly. and if he didn't either won courage or go really far. Spending all that money to go to courage would be a huge waste.
Allowing some sort of online Foreigner vs Korean showmatches and such would be a very good way of testing the mettle of the foreigners best.
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On September 29 2011 10:53 Krogan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 10:44 Ryo wrote:On September 29 2011 10:36 Krogan wrote:
So if Kespa owns all teams how does player trading work? It seems to me that Kespa is unlikely to get into a biding war agaisn't themselves for players, how will this effect player salaries? This new management thing only applies to any new teams formed, that's if it's applied at all. Regardless, none of the existing teams will be affected. Alright I missed that, so you are saying 3 teams will be managed by the league (Kespa) and 5 teams by themselves? Hm I am sorry but if anything that sounds even more dodgy. To be honest this sounds a lot like putting a band aid on someone that just had their arm ripped off.
7 teams are managed the way they've always been managed- KT, SKT, Stars, CJ, ACE, Khan, STX.
As for the new teams, this whole "kespa management" paragraph was written by the plu translator to try to explain what he thinks will happen. I don't remember the Kespa President actually saying this in his interview. It might happen or it might not. Just wait and see.
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This is great. Now I just want some news on  EffOrt!
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it sounds great, but it's going to be an unfamiliar system until we finally see it in action.
looks like jaedong and co. are back on ! :D
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On September 29 2011 11:13 Ryo wrote:
nvm
I did see your last comment before edit. I don't want to stry too off topic. But the goal was for a KeSPA sactioned event. which would be like any other event.
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On September 29 2011 10:03 Caladbolg wrote:
Or it can end up like the Counter-Strike scene where none of the games get enough attention to grow and evolve and slowly choke eachother to death. I fear that this may be the case. Esport in Korea may benefit from a flourishing BW scene in the long run, but not necessarily SC2.
That's a rather gloomy way to look at it but just as realistic as these 'this is grrreat for sc2!'-post.
The 1.6 counter-strike scene is still really active. I don't think that it can really be compared to brood war at all though since counter strike is a game that is played globally and not just in Korea so it would make sense that the scene is divided up more. Also, player transfers would have more impact in counter strike since they play 5v5.
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Hmmm I'm not sure how I feel about this, it sounds like the villian becoming the hero but too much involvement from KeSPA could mess things up. I doubt that they will have involvement in who each of the teams send out in proleague, I think that would be still up to the coach/team.
Anyway, this is much better than those teams and their players going to waste and it would have been very sad if many of them were forced to retire. What does it mean when it says "The rest of the players will be FA"?
On September 28 2011 04:31 Jonvvv wrote:
Good news everyone!
And yes, I read this in his voice as you were probably hoping, damn you!
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Alas, studies has kept me away from this mess :3 (im not confident in resisting against the trolls that have surfaced so far)
Heres to my Bisu ripping every little opponents into Tiny pieces next season :D (yes, im talking about you, Ultimate Weapon, Tyrant, etc)
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