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rainei
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada1316 Posts
September 06 2011 08:43 GMT
#1
In the spirit of heyoka's statisfaction and his wonderment at how quickly Pure's army died against Flash, I found a similar interest in the OSL unit counters of Game 2 of the OSL Ro8 between Jangbi and Flash. Interestingly enough, Flash was on the receiving end of the misfortune this time!

So here is the graph
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It paints a pretty interesting picture, as for the first 13 minutes, more nexii were made than units killed. Note* those small plateaus were Jangbi saving up 400 minerals to build a Nexus.

Basically, nothing happens until Jangbi hits 200/200, after which he promptly recalls into Flash's main, just so his gateways can keep making things, and make things they did! Jangbi's unit count quickly shotback up to 200/200 in just 2 short minutes. After which, the main encouter occured, and lots of things died. In a couple seconds over 170 food of units evaporated, as both sides suffered heavy losses. If this were a real war, both sides would be in full retreat as over half of their entire army just died.

But no! This battle is the last hope of Aiur! The freshly warped in warriors of Aiur were marched straight to their deaths. But their sacrifice would not be in vain. After several waves of zealots, the Terran oppressor found himself suddenly out of army and out of luck, as the ancient Chinese General mustered forces with the ferocity straight out of the Three Kingdoms. On this day, the weather seemed to be on the Chinese General's side, and soon, the Terran army was forced to vacate the space platform known as Pae-seu-pah-in-deo.


With this fantastic PvT showing from Jangbi, we can only hope that he makes it pass SoO, so just maybe, on the off chance, we can witness some more of this spectacular form and win an OSL for Protoss!!
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The forecast indicates some more stormy weather ahead!!
All aboard the HSY fanboat/train/ whatever form of transportation you desire!! Everyday is Sojin day
LoneWolf.Alpha-
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
123 Posts
September 06 2011 08:59 GMT
#2
What do you mean by "...ancient Chinese General mustered forces with the ferocity straight out of the Three Kingdoms. On this day, the weather seemed to be on the Chinese General's side..."

Jangbi is Korean right?
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
September 06 2011 09:03 GMT
#3
On September 06 2011 17:59 LoneWolf.Alpha- wrote:
What do you mean by "...ancient Chinese General mustered forces with the ferocity straight out of the Three Kingdoms. On this day, the weather seemed to be on the Chinese General's side..."

Jangbi is Korean right?


Jang Bi = Zhang Fei
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
September 06 2011 09:15 GMT
#4
I so wanted Flash to take this...
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
September 06 2011 09:19 GMT
#5
On September 06 2011 18:03 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 17:59 LoneWolf.Alpha- wrote:
What do you mean by "...ancient Chinese General mustered forces with the ferocity straight out of the Three Kingdoms. On this day, the weather seemed to be on the Chinese General's side..."

Jangbi is Korean right?


Jang Bi = Zhang Fei


Zhang Fei = Ancient Chinese General (for those who dunno chinese history)
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 06 2011 09:40 GMT
#6
On September 06 2011 18:19 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 18:03 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On September 06 2011 17:59 LoneWolf.Alpha- wrote:
What do you mean by "...ancient Chinese General mustered forces with the ferocity straight out of the Three Kingdoms. On this day, the weather seemed to be on the Chinese General's side..."

Jangbi is Korean right?


Jang Bi = Zhang Fei


Zhang Fei = Ancient Chinese General (for those who dunno chinese history)


But JangBi looks just like Guan Yu without the beard
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 06 2011 09:53 GMT
#7
Comparing this graph to the Pure vs Flash graphs, it's pretty clear to see that JangBi's macro in those games was incredibly solid (to the point where you can see where he saves up 400 mins for a nexus on the graph!)

I absolutely LOVED watching Jangbi's mad expanding and huge macro (holy gateway count, batman!)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50749 Posts
September 06 2011 10:50 GMT
#8
On September 06 2011 18:40 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 18:19 alffla wrote:
On September 06 2011 18:03 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On September 06 2011 17:59 LoneWolf.Alpha- wrote:
What do you mean by "...ancient Chinese General mustered forces with the ferocity straight out of the Three Kingdoms. On this day, the weather seemed to be on the Chinese General's side..."

Jangbi is Korean right?


Jang Bi = Zhang Fei


Zhang Fei = Ancient Chinese General (for those who dunno chinese history)


But JangBi looks just like Guan Yu without the beard


ha!

considering how close history say they are,I'm not surprised.
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ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
September 06 2011 10:59 GMT
#9
On September 06 2011 18:40 endy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 18:19 alffla wrote:
On September 06 2011 18:03 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On September 06 2011 17:59 LoneWolf.Alpha- wrote:
What do you mean by "...ancient Chinese General mustered forces with the ferocity straight out of the Three Kingdoms. On this day, the weather seemed to be on the Chinese General's side..."

Jangbi is Korean right?


Jang Bi = Zhang Fei


Zhang Fei = Ancient Chinese General (for those who dunno chinese history)


But JangBi looks just like Guan Yu without the beard


lol I thought both of them had a beard, it's just that Guan Yu had the ridiculously long one and Zhang Fei was pretty much only known for leaving places undefended due to heavy partying and drinking. That or absolutely destroying people with his brute strength.
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
September 06 2011 11:14 GMT
#10
I love these graphs, keep them coming!

Jangbi and Flash always produced very good games. Here are two more:



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Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
September 06 2011 11:23 GMT
#11
nice graph. different way to analyse the game. the oscillation after the first big engagement were the zealot waves? if so, it would be useful to annotate that!

good stuff
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soullogik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1171 Posts
September 06 2011 11:36 GMT
#12
jangbi's macro was crazy good and personally flash looked off those games.

jangbi pressured him, hit at the time right in all the games.

sidenote; plz crush soo, jangbi.
young ho
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
September 06 2011 15:29 GMT
#13
Nice graph! As an engineer I love seeing spreadsheets and graphs they make me feel all warm and fuzzy =D

This OP (graph + analysis) would be a great addition to any battle report.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
September 06 2011 15:35 GMT
#14
I wish there was this kind of analysis for every BW game. So nice and clear, thanks.
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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
September 06 2011 15:41 GMT
#15
Awesome graph.
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
September 06 2011 16:36 GMT
#16
One thing I've always noted, being a Samsung fan, is how in PvT they always expand at a faster pace than other protosses. They always seem to know when they can pause troop production, not to oversaturate probes, lay off the quick arbiters when arbiters aren't necessary, etc. It's to be expected given that the master of PvT plays there.

Meh
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 06 2011 16:56 GMT
#17
i spilled my fries when i read 'bad weather'. wellplayed
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chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
September 06 2011 17:47 GMT
#18
cool graph, please make more

lol stormssssss
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
September 06 2011 17:59 GMT
#19
I got a big smile on my face when I read the title of this, nice job

These graphs are a really fun way to look at games, your narrative is sweet too.
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caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 18:00:41
September 06 2011 17:59 GMT
#20
On September 06 2011 18:03 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2011 17:59 LoneWolf.Alpha- wrote:
What do you mean by "...ancient Chinese General mustered forces with the ferocity straight out of the Three Kingdoms. On this day, the weather seemed to be on the Chinese General's side..."

Jangbi is Korean right?


Jang Bi = Zhang Fei


OH! I don't speak korean but I feel dumb not making that connection.

and love the graph
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
September 06 2011 18:00 GMT
#21
Awesome stuff

And jangbi, please don't let fantasy win another title!
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rainei
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada1316 Posts
September 07 2011 00:15 GMT
#22
On September 07 2011 00:29 OpticalShot wrote:
Nice graph! As an engineer I love seeing spreadsheets and graphs they make me feel all warm and fuzzy =D

This OP (graph + analysis) would be a great addition to any battle report.


Yea, I'm an engineering student too!

On September 07 2011 02:59 heyoka wrote:
I got a big smile on my face when I read the title of this, nice job

These graphs are a really fun way to look at games, your narrative is sweet too.


hey! its heyoka! I agree, as I really was a fan of your graphs and statistical analysis. Perhaps I should continue this sort of analysis so I can get my statisfaction come the next proleague season.
All aboard the HSY fanboat/train/ whatever form of transportation you desire!! Everyday is Sojin day
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
September 07 2011 00:29 GMT
#23
JangBi should change his name to Zeus
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
September 07 2011 01:17 GMT
#24
The "bad weather" joke was too much. I'm smiling so much.

NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
September 07 2011 02:19 GMT
#25
fuck jangbi is awesome. that is all
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oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
September 07 2011 02:27 GMT
#26
also, where did you get the data to make these graphs??
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rainei
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada1316 Posts
September 07 2011 02:32 GMT
#27
On September 07 2011 11:27 oldgregg wrote:
also, where did you get the data to make these graphs??


I just watched the game and copied down the unit counts in the bottom right corner every 15 seconds or 5 seconds when battles were happening.
All aboard the HSY fanboat/train/ whatever form of transportation you desire!! Everyday is Sojin day
oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
September 07 2011 03:11 GMT
#28
awesome man. did it take you long?
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37066 Posts
September 07 2011 04:55 GMT
#29
C'mon Flash beat JangBi!!!! Oh wait....

C'mon Fantasy, AVENGE FLASH!

(although all this is IF JangBi goes to the finals)
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Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
September 07 2011 05:13 GMT
#30
On September 07 2011 13:55 Seeker wrote:
C'mon Flash beat JangBi!!!! Oh wait....

C'mon Fantasy, AVENGE FLASH!

(although all this is IF JangBi goes to the finals)

I don't know if I actually want to root for Fantasy at this point. Jangbi winning an OSL right now would be pretty baller after people yelling about him becoming a nobody and whatnot for the last little while and now he's suddenly being good again.
rainei
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada1316 Posts
September 07 2011 05:36 GMT
#31
On September 07 2011 12:11 oldgregg wrote:
awesome man. did it take you long?


took me half an hour to watch the game and copy down the unit counts, then about another 20-30 minutes making the graph look all pretty and stuff haha.


On September 07 2011 14:13 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 13:55 Seeker wrote:
C'mon Flash beat JangBi!!!! Oh wait....

C'mon Fantasy, AVENGE FLASH!

(although all this is IF JangBi goes to the finals)

I don't know if I actually want to root for Fantasy at this point. Jangbi winning an OSL right now would be pretty baller after people yelling about him becoming a nobody and whatnot for the last little while and now he's suddenly being good again.


I guess we can all agree we're all rooting for Jangbi to get past SoO, whoever you're cheering for to win it all in the end.
All aboard the HSY fanboat/train/ whatever form of transportation you desire!! Everyday is Sojin day
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
September 07 2011 09:03 GMT
#32
Very very cool.

Thanks for this!
sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
September 07 2011 12:14 GMT
#33
Thanks for this!
Super excited about the Jang Bang on friday ^_^
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oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
September 08 2011 03:30 GMT
#34
On September 07 2011 14:13 Magus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 13:55 Seeker wrote:
C'mon Flash beat JangBi!!!! Oh wait....

C'mon Fantasy, AVENGE FLASH!

(although all this is IF JangBi goes to the finals)

I don't know if I actually want to root for Fantasy at this point. Jangbi winning an OSL right now would be pretty baller after people yelling about him becoming a nobody and whatnot for the last little while and now he's suddenly being good again.


JangBi winning the OSL would be better for BW as well imo. He seems like he has more fans, and protoss winning would keep the protoss race 'viable'. So many T and Z winners these days...
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Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
September 08 2011 03:38 GMT
#35
This is off topic, but I read through the OP that inspired you. In that, I found this statement:

On May 10 2010 19:17 heyoka wrote:
Did you know Pure is 0-2 against ZergBong?


It is amazing how this guy went from zero to three time champion in a year. I said it was off topic...


On topic, I was slightly surprised that flash did little to no damage to jangbi early on, and as a result, jangbi was able to be a crazy macro monster and just roll over flash in a dominant fashion. Legend of the Fall is upon us all. Jangbi to avenge storks loss last time around.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 08 2011 04:10 GMT
#36
On September 08 2011 12:38 Rkie wrote:Legend of the Fall is upon us all. Jangbi to avenge storks loss last time around.

Flash cannot be allowed to exceed Nada!
zenMaster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada761 Posts
September 08 2011 05:13 GMT
#37
The BW Gods speaks! "Thou shall not obtain more than 3 of each individual league titles!"

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