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BinaryStar
Profile Joined November 2004
Afghanistan669 Posts
April 18 2005 14:18 GMT
#21
On April 18 2005 22:25 Sky101 wrote:
Lol what a fag, senior executive my fucking ass, he writes like a 14 year-old.


I'm sure he gives a crap about coming off as smart when he's writing an email on a whim.
camooT
Profile Joined October 2004
United States1354 Posts
April 18 2005 14:21 GMT
#22
On April 18 2005 22:04 Ammo wrote:
I really think retards who say "I don't mind people who play BGH for fun at all" have really low self-esteem. Who the hell are you to be in the position of "not minding" what others do? Are you like the international referee for all Starcraft-related activity? If kids play soccer in your backyard, then you may or may not mind: it's YOUR backyard. When other people play Starcraft in ways that provide them with a moment of harm-free leisure, it is such a fucking stupid thing to say "i don't mind". The It's just none of your business. You sound like tough guys on a basketball court laughing at people who double-dribble and don't care. And tough guys usually laugh at others cuz they just don't have a life. "What do you think of people who play BGH?" Man, what a fucking lame question, so damn elitist. Sounds like intellectual ghettoism and eugenics put together. Sorry for my vehemence, I love to see people have fun without having to put up with others better than them who say "that's not the right way". There.


O.K. Freud.
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
April 18 2005 14:33 GMT
#23
Maps with limited resources are just harder to play in all or most aspects of the game. BGH is poorer, but it can still be complex and it is different. However, for the following reasons BGH players learn less skills from playing the game

On BGH it doesn't matter if you are "denied expansion" so that strategic part is gone...
You don't need to worry about expanding yourself - there is little or no comparison with the opponent's resources and the need to get more..
The landscape is uniform - the element of holding a ramp is missing, very little higher/lower ground situations
Because of pathway structure of the map, it's easier to predict the placement of enemy forces.
Because of the said pathways, micro is more limited (flanking, spreading units, surrounding)
It is not hard to secure the workers/minerals and make them almost untouchable with cannons turrets/a few units

But BGH can still be fun, and I've played with players who suck outside of BGH but on BGH can give a fairly player a run for his money.There are skills in BGH but playing BGH doesn't train them as well as playing non-money maps. A BGHer loses a lot in playing non-money map but a player of standard maps has a more diverse experience and can much more easily adapt
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-04-18 14:38:32
April 18 2005 14:36 GMT
#24
On April 18 2005 22:04 Ammo wrote:
I really think retards who say "I don't mind people who play BGH for fun at all" have really low self-esteem. Who the hell are you to be in the position of "not minding" what others do? Are you like the international referee for all Starcraft-related activity? If kids play soccer in your backyard, then you may or may not mind: it's YOUR backyard. When other people play Starcraft in ways that provide them with a moment of harm-free leisure, it is such a fucking stupid thing to say "i don't mind". The It's just none of your business. You sound like tough guys on a basketball court laughing at people who double-dribble and don't care. And tough guys usually laugh at others cuz they just don't have a life. "What do you think of people who play BGH?" Man, what a fucking lame question, so damn elitist. Sounds like intellectual ghettoism and eugenics put together. Sorry for my vehemence, I love to see people have fun without having to put up with others better than them who say "that's not the right way". There.


I really think assholes who have thoughts on the opinions of other peoples thoughts should shut the fuck up and insert many expletives until theres a big block of text that couldve been summed up with the word "opinion". Shit.
Moonlight Shadow
maareek
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2042 Posts
April 18 2005 14:46 GMT
#25
Hmm, I play some team games on BGH from time to time with old school nhers. It's pretty fun but only because I know the guys I'm playing with. It's hard to not have fun with people you like to play with. Still prefer the good old 1v1 on any pro map though, far more in-depth strategically and more reliant on micro/macro as has been said.
FrozenArbiter: Obless PvT master
splat
Profile Joined July 2003
Seychelles358 Posts
April 18 2005 14:51 GMT
#26
On April 18 2005 22:25 Sky101 wrote:
Lol what a fag, senior executive my fucking ass, he writes like a 14 year-old.


He writes at a level higher than what 90% (maybe 99%?) of adult Americans are capable of. Sad, but true. Unless you are claiming to be the next Einstein, I don't see why you would claim that such a 32-yr-old is like a 14-yr-old.
What is your substance, whereof are you made, That millions of strange shadows on you tend?
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
April 18 2005 14:57 GMT
#27
On April 18 2005 22:25 Sky101 wrote:
Lol what a fag, senior executive my fucking ass, he writes like a 14 year-old.


If he writes like a 14 year old you write write like a 2 year old
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
April 18 2005 15:05 GMT
#28
On April 18 2005 23:57 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2005 22:25 Sky101 wrote:
Lol what a fag, senior executive my fucking ass, he writes like a 14 year-old.


If he writes like a 14 year old you write write like a 2 year old

and you 1.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
Sky101
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States1758 Posts
April 18 2005 15:06 GMT
#29
On April 18 2005 23:51 splat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2005 22:25 Sky101 wrote:
Lol what a fag, senior executive my fucking ass, he writes like a 14 year-old.


He writes at a level higher than what 90% (maybe 99%?) of adult Americans are capable of. Sad, but true. Unless you are claiming to be the next Einstein, I don't see why you would claim that such a 32-yr-old is like a 14-yr-old.

Lol stop pulling shit out of your ass. Gosh retard why don't you back up your statistic with something instead of running your mouth like that.
Peter, Dang, pm me!!!
splat
Profile Joined July 2003
Seychelles358 Posts
April 18 2005 15:15 GMT
#30
When I first started playing SC I hated BGH. If you played too much of it, it would obviously corrupt your skills on normal resource maps. But after a while I started to change my attitude about BGH for the following reason: at the end of it all, SC/BW is just a game and you payed money for it and therefore deserve to play it how you wish. It's wrong to try to tell someone what maps they should (or should not) play when it's their own money at stake. It's kind of like going to a restaurant and telling someone not to order their favorite meal. Even if you know that their favorite meal is not necessarily healthy and you personally like other meals better, what right do you have to say to someone what they should order?

Let the BGHers live in their own world. Let the "normal resource" players live in their own world. They already can, and will, co-exist. And if BGHers help maintain the popularity of SC, then so much the better for the rest of us. Long live SC!
What is your substance, whereof are you made, That millions of strange shadows on you tend?
gg2w
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada118 Posts
April 18 2005 15:24 GMT
#31
I've always been struck by how so many non-money map players think that expanding is not an issue on BGH. Expanding has nothing to do with increasing your total resource potential on this map, it has to do with increasing the rate at which you gather resources. I enjoy playing 3v3s with friends and family who don't take the game too seriously and I find in big macro games, it's critical to have an expansion up and going by mid game. You simply can't gather resources fast enough at that point to stay competitive troop count wise off of one base even when saturated. A few situations where it's particularly noticeable is if you wall-in as T and metal + mass dship or as P when you are forced into the 3 tech trees because of what your opponents have. In fact I find sometimes I even need to grab a second expansion purely for economic reasons. This comes into play late game when trying to balance probe efficiency and the unit cap. Expanding also has huge strategic value in terms of map control, and even by providing fodder so you can launch counters late game.
Archon_Wing
Profile Joined May 2004
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-04-18 15:37:39
April 18 2005 15:36 GMT
#32
I think lack of space in the main is a good reason to expand on BGH

Anyhow, I treat BGH like a UMS. I find people who go on vitrolic rants about how Starcraft is declining because of money maps to be funny though. Do they object to UMS games too?
Nothing witty here atm
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
April 18 2005 15:47 GMT
#33
bgh is the funnest map on sc hands down.i still get those streaks where i want to go play some bgh.its where i started
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
splat
Profile Joined July 2003
Seychelles358 Posts
Last Edited: 2005-04-18 15:59:51
April 18 2005 15:54 GMT
#34
What is your substance, whereof are you made, That millions of strange shadows on you tend?
splat
Profile Joined July 2003
Seychelles358 Posts
April 18 2005 15:59 GMT
#35
On April 19 2005 00:06 Sky101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2005 23:51 splat wrote:
On April 18 2005 22:25 Sky101 wrote:
Lol what a fag, senior executive my fucking ass, he writes like a 14 year-old.


He writes at a level higher than what 90% (maybe 99%?) of adult Americans are capable of. Sad, but true. Unless you are claiming to be the next Einstein, I don't see why you would claim that such a 32-yr-old is like a 14-yr-old.

Lol stop pulling shit out of your ass. Gosh retard why don't you back up your statistic with something instead of running your mouth like that.

G'night, kid.
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What is your substance, whereof are you made, That millions of strange shadows on you tend?
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
April 18 2005 16:47 GMT
#36
Im dead serious when i say that

BGH is one of my favorite maps haha

i've encountered some people who are actually very good at BGH, and i think the standard P>T>Z>P goes out the window. It's a very different kind of game and I think it does require alot of skill to be REALLY good at BGH. LoL, i remember asking trek if he wanted to 2v4@BGH and he said "No thx, people who play BGH are good at BGH." Its actually quite true. Although ALOT of people suck, i've been fucked over pretty hard by some :D

Nonetheless, low resources do take a shitload more skill than BGH. A very different kind of skill, but a shitload more skill regardless.

Also, i think other people have said this too: Pimpest Plays is implicitly referring to low resource games. Of course people have used arbiter/hallucination before. Hell, i did it on the single player before I could even get online. It's not "someone thinking up a play" way before anyone else, but rather then using it in a game EFFECTIVELY. Obviously, if i donkey punch some 3rd rate newbie in a BGH game w/ arbiter/hallucination, it doesn't really impress anyone. But, Nal_rA using it as THE game winning move against GoodFriend, THAT deserves a pimpest play award.

:D

BGH > LT hah
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
April 18 2005 16:50 GMT
#37
On April 18 2005 22:04 Ammo wrote:
I really think retards who say "I don't mind people who play BGH for fun at all" have really low self-esteem. Who the hell are you to be in the position of "not minding" what others do? Are you like the international referee for all Starcraft-related activity? If kids play soccer in your backyard, then you may or may not mind: it's YOUR backyard. When other people play Starcraft in ways that provide them with a moment of harm-free leisure, it is such a fucking stupid thing to say "i don't mind". The It's just none of your business. You sound like tough guys on a basketball court laughing at people who double-dribble and don't care. And tough guys usually laugh at others cuz they just don't have a life. "What do you think of people who play BGH?" Man, what a fucking lame question, so damn elitist. Sounds like intellectual ghettoism and eugenics put together. Sorry for my vehemence, I love to see people have fun without having to put up with others better than them who say "that's not the right way". There.


I play BGH alot and i have alot of fun playing it

I totally see why other people play it for fun and i encourage them to continue to do so

I have high self-esteem
Whenever I encounter some little hitch, or some of my orbs get out of orbit, nothing pleases me so much as to make the crooked straight and crush down uneven places. www.day9.tv
RedMeat
Profile Joined September 2002
United Kingdom490 Posts
April 18 2005 17:02 GMT
#38
On April 19 2005 00:06 Sky101 wrote:
Lol stop pulling shit out of your ass. Gosh retard why don't you back up your statistic with something instead of running your mouth like that.


Pot.... kettle, etc
I am the mirror, I am the destiny, I am the herald that points the way...
Resonate
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8402 Posts
April 18 2005 17:28 GMT
#39
bgh is leet, period!
Memory lane in nice
exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
April 18 2005 17:29 GMT
#40
On April 18 2005 22:04 Ammo wrote:
I really think retards who say "I don't mind people who play BGH for fun at all" have really low self-esteem. Who the hell are you to be in the position of "not minding" what others do? Are you like the international referee for all Starcraft-related activity? If kids play soccer in your backyard, then you may or may not mind: it's YOUR backyard. When other people play Starcraft in ways that provide them with a moment of harm-free leisure, it is such a fucking stupid thing to say "i don't mind". The It's just none of your business. You sound like tough guys on a basketball court laughing at people who double-dribble and don't care. And tough guys usually laugh at others cuz they just don't have a life. "What do you think of people who play BGH?" Man, what a fucking lame question, so damn elitist. Sounds like intellectual ghettoism and eugenics put together. Sorry for my vehemence, I love to see people have fun without having to put up with others better than them who say "that's not the right way". There.


I MIND when you post retarded crap like this. Please refrain from doing this. Ever. Again. I hate misinformation and when people think what they're doing is "the best" or "right". Granted, if they're doing it for fun, who gives a shit. It's when BGH players start saying nonmoney has less skill, or they like playing FPM because it's "more intense and fast paced and strategic where I have a problem. I like this e-mail regardless of if he is pretending to be someone, becuase it was nicely written, wasn't condescending (like the above post), and further, he was knowledgable about the level of Starcraft is played at on the highest level.

My Aunt has some coworkers and they like to play 4v4 games on 256x256 maps, and last year when I played with them I would always bitch and whine about how the big maps took no skill and it took 15 minutes to walk from place to place therefore it was more luck based and less timing. Fact of the matter is, those people just want to fuck around, I'm sure they would be impressed if they saw some progamer replays, when I offered, they declined. "Why would I want to watch someone do something that I can do myself?" It still brings me a little bit of nerd fury even today.
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