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SCBW in Korea: Headlines 2011-08-31

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OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 03:33:55
August 31 2011 13:36 GMT
#1
Our hearts have been bombarded with one bad news after another. I don't need to list them out for you - just check the top 10 threads in the BW General section and you'll get the idea.

Instead, I will try to enlighten you (and myself, too!) with these fresh news articles from Fomos and DES. No, I do not have the time to translate them all right now (and I'm not allowed to translate Fomos ones anyway). So these are open for fellow translators to grab as you wish (I'll link the articles here), but most them are short and perhaps not worthy of a full translation. I do encourage someone to pick up the Twitter Q&A with Reach though. If there aren't any takers, I'll get on it this weekend.

- Thanks Kalent for translating the OGN Commentator Um Jae Gyung article. Updated link.
- Updated link to Ryo's thread regarding Light Girl's conditions.

Stats rewarded with a 100%+ salary increase from KT
Fomos DES
Brief overview: Stats, earlier in the season, set a personal goal to achieve 40 wins in the SPL season and to double his salary for next season. He indeed achieved his goal when KT rewarded him for his contributions and hard work. KT management said that they awarded Stats with a huge salary increase that brings his salary near the 100 million won mark (approximately $100k USD). Stats is extremely happy about this, and is recovering well from his recent chin surgery.

KT renews Violet's contract
Fomos DES
Brief overview: KT showed that they are indeed a loyal and caring team by signing a contract with Violet. Violet, who has been diagnosed with leukemia early in the season and hospitalized ever since, said that he's very grateful for the support from his team. He is optimistic about his treatment and recovery process, and wishes to return to the stage soon.

Player contracts in the finalization stage
Fomos
Brief overview: KT announced that all of their player contracts have been renewed for next season. SKT announced that all of their player contracts except for Bisu's have been finalized. Bisu, who was the main force behind SKT's incredible SPL regular season record, is still in the process of negotiating the terms with the team. Both SKT and Bisu are expected to come to terms soon. CJ, which also had a good run last season, have announced that there are not going to be major surprises in player contracts, and that they are in the final stage of getting the contracts done. Fans are curious about whether Hydra will get a raise, and how CJ will value the return of Effort. Other teams like Samsung Khan, Woongjin Stars, and STX are also expected to finalize their player contracts soon, with few to no raises due to their disappointing results last season.

Light shows his support for his fan
DES
Brief overview: Light Girl is sick (see this thread). Light, having heard the news, immediately visited a local hospital to make blood donation towards the girl's surgery. Light is also planning to visit the girl in the hospital once she is cleared to accept visitors. He expressed his concern and wishes the girl a successful surgery and swift recovery.
Bonus: in the comments: "Jaetler to forcibly extract and donate Woongjin Team blood to the girl's surgery"

Flash's surgery date finalized
DES
Brief overview: Flash will receive surgery in the coming 19th (September 19th). KT released their position on this, saying that "they had to delay the surgery a little bit due to the re-scheduling of SPL Finals and the ensuing vacation to Guam." Flash is expected to be ready and well for the start of next season.

Twitter Q&A: REACH
DES
Brief overview: Twitter Q&A with everyone's favourite MANTOSS. There are questions regarding his manly looks, manly muscles, why he's so good looking, what he thinks about his muscles... oh and also about his future plans, has he thought of SC2 like YellOw, what were some of his most memorable moments in his career, and blabla.

OGN commentator Um Jae Gyung opens up about the current state of the scene
DES
Full Translated Article by Kalent
Brief overview: OGN's oldest commentator Um Jae Gyung has been a part of this scene ever since the very roots of Korean e-sports scene, starting with Tooniverse (founded 1995, anime/cartoon channel). He recalls having the first broadcasted SC match ever on the Tooniverse channel - with 0 dollars of sponsorship, pocket change for prize money, an old dusty ping pong table, and a couple computers. Nobody imagined the e-sports scene as it is today. Match-fixing scandal and legal feud with Blizzard are two biggest factors he identifies as the cause of recent withdrawal of three corporate sponsors. He acknowledges the events of today as temporary setbacks, and that the livelihood of SCBW e-sports scene is in the hands of the fans - both die-hard regulars and casuals.

KT sends 100 blood donation certificates to Light Girl
Fomos DES
See Ryo's thread for Light Girl regarding the original articles and updates.

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My friends, it looks certain that there will be a next season. Do not fear. I'll try to deliver these kind of comprehensive quick-news whenever I can. Also, to Ryo, sorry I didn't have time to work on that Stork overview article you linked me last time, but don't you think I forgot about it!
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oldgregg
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand1176 Posts
August 31 2011 13:41 GMT
#2
nice one man i was getting sick of all the doom and gloom, haha good for stats! and good to see light supporting his sexy fan
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 13:42:59
August 31 2011 13:41 GMT
#3
I haven't been visiting TL for a few weeks and suddenly all I see is BW doomsday predictions making me so sad

This makes me happy :D
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white_horse
Profile Joined July 2010
1019 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 13:44:12
August 31 2011 13:43 GMT
#4
I've also read that Flash has already signed a contract with a roughly $300,000 salary and that Bisu, who has a salary of over about $200,000, is going into renegotiation with SKT1.
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MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
August 31 2011 13:44 GMT
#5
so many good news, makes me happy <3
blubbdavid
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Switzerland2412 Posts
August 31 2011 13:44 GMT
#6
Thanks for this, I really appreciate it.
And doubling the salary for stats? Wow.
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Duka08
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
3391 Posts
August 31 2011 13:46 GMT
#7
Wow this was a needed post. So nice ^^ !
Neoattitude
Profile Joined April 2010
Guam172 Posts
August 31 2011 13:47 GMT
#8
When will they be on guam!!! I live there and would like to meet the KT crew!!
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
August 31 2011 13:50 GMT
#9
(T)Light girl fighting!!
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
smaugswe
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden121 Posts
August 31 2011 13:51 GMT
#10
Thanks i really needed this! and its mah birthday!!! So :D Thanks for this "Birthday gift" :D made me really happy lol (i know it wasnt for me but still :D)
I dont have any Windows in my room... I use linux... :)
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
August 31 2011 13:51 GMT
#11
Brood War forever!

Finally some GOOD news...
kiss kiss fall in love
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
August 31 2011 13:55 GMT
#12
Whew, its about time.
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
August 31 2011 13:55 GMT
#13
I'm really surprised the big teams are tightening belts in this economy and with broodwar falling off abit.
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 31 2011 13:56 GMT
#14
Thanks OpticalShot for this update!

So many things have happened in BW recently, some good but most of them just devastating.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Vuk_91
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia1690 Posts
August 31 2011 13:57 GMT
#15
Things are actually very simple: As long as there are people watching BW, it will not die. And obviously it wont die soon because a) Proleague finals were again most viewed E-sport event of the year,which means people are still interested in BW, and b) Do you think these guys from KT and SKT are idiots? They wouldn`t sign those 200.000-300.000$ contracts unless they knew that Flash and Bisu will earn them 10x more money than they are paid. And teams disbanding? Not good for sure,but it`s normal...Teams disband in football or basketball all the time, industries that make 1000x more money than Brood War. SC2 a threat for BW? Not really, people were saying that 2009. was the last year of Brood War-it didn`t happen. 2010. again- again didn`t happen. If we can get one sponsor and merge 3 teams into 1 super strong team which will be able to compete with SKT,KT and CJ, things would look very nice for Brood War.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 31 2011 13:59 GMT
#16
stats and Violet!

KT Fighting,also I would like to read that Q&A with MANTOSS!
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Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
August 31 2011 14:06 GMT
#17
Thanks for all these updates Opticalshot, appreciate it.
Wow stats earning 100K :0, well done. Also really really happy Violet got re-signed.

What are SKT and Bisu negotiating? pay?
Yeah Light, you go visit that girl and make her happy. And someone please translate that Reach Q&A please :D (pretty please)
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
August 31 2011 14:11 GMT
#18
Is there any pictures of Stats since his chin surgery?

In my head I'm picturing him looking waaaaaaaaaay different but I'm sure it was just minor work to make sure his jaw closed properly.

Good luck Light Girl.
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Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
August 31 2011 14:14 GMT
#19
hooray for Stats! and the Light - Light girl story is sweet :>
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 14:21:16
August 31 2011 14:20 GMT
#20
Stars tightening their wallet strings (Yes, I'm looking at you, Free) for possible future purchases? Time to buy our way to victory.

<.<
>.>

Smooth move there Light. Whip those Stars to the hospital.
SCnai
Profile Joined February 2010
322 Posts
August 31 2011 14:21 GMT
#21
Good news for a change.
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kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
August 31 2011 14:24 GMT
#22
Finally some happy news! This needs to frontpaged or something, so people don't think BW is all doom and gloom.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
August 31 2011 14:24 GMT
#23
Can anyone translate the mantoss Q&A? PLEASE
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 31 2011 14:31 GMT
#24
On August 31 2011 23:21 SCnai wrote:
Good news for a change.

I was just thinking the same a little while ago.
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Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
August 31 2011 14:33 GMT
#25


Glad to hear good news after all of bad news past weeks
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19347 Posts
August 31 2011 14:37 GMT
#26
stats finally got what he deserved
i hope hydra also gets a raise
the news that there will be a next season makes me sooooo happy

these kinds of heart warming news is what tl's bw section needs, thank you
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hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
August 31 2011 14:41 GMT
#27
I wish KT would share some of that good news with the rest of us.

jk, I'm glad that there is enough money to double stat's salary.
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vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
August 31 2011 14:42 GMT
#28
This is all good stuff to read. Very invigorating to see that we will live on.
(-_-) BW for ever. #1 Iris fan.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
August 31 2011 14:48 GMT
#29
Yea, good news for a change. Thanks
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
August 31 2011 14:48 GMT
#30
I'm happy to hear that Stats is doing well after his surgery, and that he got such a big salary increase for his efforts.
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 14:50:15
August 31 2011 14:50 GMT
#31
thx for sharing this =) just hope the best for BW
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ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
August 31 2011 14:54 GMT
#32
Stats are you the second highest paid protoss now lol? Hope you have a quick recovery.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 31 2011 14:56 GMT
#33
The light girl story made me feel so happy thanks for this.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 31 2011 14:57 GMT
#34
BW is becoming like the NBA with the rich team vs poor team dynamic. The rich teams are throwing money and the poor teams are disbanding.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
August 31 2011 14:59 GMT
#35
This is all so weird...
They all seem to have a "show must go on attitude". Except they don't even need to express that - it just does.

Still hoping for new sponsors step in!
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
August 31 2011 15:00 GMT
#36
On August 31 2011 23:57 andrewlt wrote:
BW is becoming like the NBA with the rich team vs poor team dynamic. The rich teams are throwing money and the poor teams are disbanding.


Nah, the small sponsors are drifting out and only the big sponsors are remaining.

Now all it just depends on whether or not a big sponsor will form an 8th team. If that happens, BW should remain stable for a long, long time.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
August 31 2011 15:18 GMT
#37
OpticalShot, thanks a lot for the topic! Fuck yeah gogogo next season And hopefully, with at least 8 teams - very much hopes that the rumours about the new team (sponsored by JinAir or Korean Air) are true. So many players just can't be left without work, and moreso that among them there is Jaedong.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
August 31 2011 15:20 GMT
#38
Good news is always a nice change
Felt a bit too doom and gloom around here
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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 31 2011 15:22 GMT
#39
Stats <3

So deserved

Thanks for the good news :D
In the woods, there lurks..
ravemir
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal595 Posts
August 31 2011 15:24 GMT
#40
Even if I didn't care much for BW news (mainly a SC2 follower, sorry), the recent succession of news struck me as quite bad. But seeing this makes me think that maybe things aren't ALL that bad
"more gg, more skill"
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
August 31 2011 15:24 GMT
#41
I hope that BW will survive so I can maybe get enough money to travel to Korea and watch it in time. These news are good to read about.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 31 2011 15:25 GMT
#42
Stats owns Violet owns KT owns.
Remember Violet.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
August 31 2011 15:28 GMT
#43
On September 01 2011 00:24 ravemir wrote:
Even if I didn't care much for BW news (mainly a SC2 follower, sorry), the recent succession of news struck me as quite bad. But seeing this makes me think that maybe things aren't ALL that bad

Nice to see adequate SC2 users remembering and being respectful to their "roots"
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66161 Posts
August 31 2011 15:31 GMT
#44
congrats, stats. totally deserved it heh. hope stats, violet, flash and light girl all recovers soon!
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HaruHaru
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States988 Posts
August 31 2011 15:31 GMT
#45
Wow I would love to read the mantoss Q&A . I've always been wanting to hear about them muscles
Long live BroodWar!
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
August 31 2011 15:36 GMT
#46
KT renews Violet's contract
Fomos DES
Brief overview: KT showed that they are indeed a loyal and caring team by signing a contract with Violet. Violet, who has been diagnosed with leukemia early in the season and hospitalized ever since, said that he's very grateful for the support from his team. He is optimistic about his treatment and recovery process, and wishes to return to the stage soon.

This is by far the greatest news here. Amazing. Love KT.
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Ampster
Profile Joined August 2011
31 Posts
August 31 2011 15:38 GMT
#47
Not really a BW follower, but about Flash's injury. Is injury pretty common in the BW scene or is it something that happens that rarely happens now and then? I known that Boxer been suffering some injury for sometimes but don't really know that is it a common things among the Bownja?
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Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
August 31 2011 15:39 GMT
#48
Didn't a similar injury stop iloveoov's career?
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 15:44:07
August 31 2011 15:42 GMT
#49
Nice news. Thanks for this OpticalShot

On September 01 2011 00:39 Crisium wrote:
Didn't a similar injury stop iloveoov's career?

And don't forget GGPlay's exit to the same thing.
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
August 31 2011 15:46 GMT
#50
Awesome thread!
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 15:49:50
August 31 2011 15:49 GMT
#51
Thanks OpticalShot for the news. I'm really appreciate it.
All are great news except Light girl. wish her get well soon.

Can't wait for Violet comeback
and congrats to Stats.
Learn,live and love it.
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
August 31 2011 15:49 GMT
#52
I came to the starcraft scene with starcraft II, however people like day9 made me love bw as well, and eventhough I'm not good enough to play it I understand how amazing this game is. I'm glad to hear good news like that about bw in korea, thanks for doing that .
chaosTheory_14cc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1270 Posts
August 31 2011 15:51 GMT
#53
Yay! Finally some good news, especially for KT.

Light Girl deserves 110% support.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 31 2011 15:52 GMT
#54
On September 01 2011 00:42 Subversive wrote:
Nice news. Thanks for this OpticalShot

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 00:39 Crisium wrote:
Didn't a similar injury stop iloveoov's career?

And don't forget GGPlay's exit to the same thing.


GGplay yes,oov slipped while in the shower or something IIRC.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
August 31 2011 15:53 GMT
#55
So basically SKT1 and KT are like the Red Sox and the Yankees. And Fox/Oz/MBC are like the Royals/Devil Rays/Pirates. Except the revenue disparity is even higher and there's no revenue sharing or other ways for lesser teams to make ends meet.

I know this is suppose to be an upbeat thread, so sorry to be debbie downer here.
Meh
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
August 31 2011 16:03 GMT
#56
Thanks a lot!
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pStar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
996 Posts
August 31 2011 16:05 GMT
#57
Wow. KT so awesome renewing Violets contract.

And Light girl sick.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
August 31 2011 16:08 GMT
#58
Much thanks OpticalShot. BW forum has been so focused on sensationalist bad news that we are forgetting we still have a lot Here's to continuing to enjoy Brood War!
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 31 2011 16:19 GMT
#59
On September 01 2011 00:00 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 23:57 andrewlt wrote:
BW is becoming like the NBA with the rich team vs poor team dynamic. The rich teams are throwing money and the poor teams are disbanding.


Nah, the small sponsors are drifting out and only the big sponsors are remaining.

Now all it just depends on whether or not a big sponsor will form an 8th team. If that happens, BW should remain stable for a long, long time.



Yeah, that was what I was getting at. The rich sponsors are throwing money at players and buying championships so the poor sponsors are basically saying, "Fuck this. We can't compete."
smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
August 31 2011 16:25 GMT
#60
thanks a bunch! go light girl
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
August 31 2011 16:26 GMT
#61
On September 01 2011 00:53 baubo wrote:
So basically SKT1 and KT are like the Red Sox and the Yankees. And Fox/Oz/MBC are like the Royals/Devil Rays/Pirates. Except the revenue disparity is even higher and there's no revenue sharing or other ways for lesser teams to make ends meet.

I know this is suppose to be an upbeat thread, so sorry to be debbie downer here.


At this point in time, who gives a shit about the structure of the league when even the league itself was in question? I think most of us will take all the good news that we can get right about now.

Still so sad about Light girl though.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
August 31 2011 16:33 GMT
#62
On September 01 2011 00:00 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2011 23:57 andrewlt wrote:
BW is becoming like the NBA with the rich team vs poor team dynamic. The rich teams are throwing money and the poor teams are disbanding.


Nah, the small sponsors are drifting out and only the big sponsors are remaining.

Now all it just depends on whether or not a big sponsor will form an 8th team. If that happens, BW should remain stable for a long, long time.


I wonder who would sponsor the 8th team though. Would be deliciously random if it was a fried chicken place like Kyochon. :p
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GeeGeePLay
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada15 Posts
August 31 2011 16:37 GMT
#63
(T)Light Girl HWAITING~~~~
GG re?
mansa
Profile Joined May 2011
Philippines336 Posts
August 31 2011 16:40 GMT
#64
This thread gave me hope...
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
August 31 2011 16:43 GMT
#65
On September 01 2011 01:26 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 00:53 baubo wrote:
So basically SKT1 and KT are like the Red Sox and the Yankees. And Fox/Oz/MBC are like the Royals/Devil Rays/Pirates. Except the revenue disparity is even higher and there's no revenue sharing or other ways for lesser teams to make ends meet.

I know this is suppose to be an upbeat thread, so sorry to be debbie downer here.


At this point in time, who gives a shit about the structure of the league when even the league itself was in question? I think most of us will take all the good news that we can get right about now.


Let's put it this way.

1. There's a lot of fans who care about BW(high ratings)
2. There's a lot of money in BW(high player salary)
3. There's a lot of players in BW(best RTS players in the entire world)
4. THere's a lot of infrastructure in BW(2 cable channels

So why is it that half the league is saying "Screw this. Forget it"?

KT can give Stats a 100% raise. Yet Hwaseung thinks a team with Jaedong on it is not worth sponsoring. Do you not see the problem here?
Meh
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 16:47:05
August 31 2011 16:43 GMT
#66
On August 31 2011 22:57 Vuk_91 wrote:
Things are actually very simple: As long as there are people watching BW, it will not die. And obviously it wont die soon because a) Proleague finals were again most viewed E-sport event of the year,which means people are still interested in BW,


"most viewed E-sport event of the year"
all this means is that it stands a better chance of surviving on mainstream cable than any other E-sport.
it says nothing about how it compares to other possible programming the cable station can replace it with.

League of Legends and SC2 are not the competition here. It's baseball, comedy, reality tv, and mainstream drama that will push Brood War off of cable.

remember Brood War on MBCGame is not being replaced by Call of Duty or Halo competitions...
its being replaced by music videos.

player salaries are rising because they are no longer replaceable by up and coming 16 year olds.

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
dudecrush
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada418 Posts
August 31 2011 16:51 GMT
#67
I'm glad there's some good news around.
Grats to Stats (pun defiantly intended).
Its great that Light is being so chivalrous like that.
And lastly, I hope Violet recovers soon.
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
August 31 2011 16:52 GMT
#68
Holy shit, a 100% salary increase is huuuge!
http://twitter.com/jhNz
soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
August 31 2011 17:00 GMT
#69
thanks for some good news ^-^


ace hwaiting!!
catleaves
Profile Joined December 2010
United States506 Posts
August 31 2011 17:01 GMT
#70
thank you a lot for these updates!
^^
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
August 31 2011 17:03 GMT
#71
On September 01 2011 01:43 baubo wrote:
Let's put it this way.
1. There's a lot of fans who care about BW(high ratings)
2. There's a lot of money in BW(high player salary)
3. There's a lot of players in BW(best RTS players in the entire world)
4. THere's a lot of infrastructure in BW(2 cable channels
So why is it that half the league is saying "Screw this. Forget it"?
KT can give Stats a 100% raise. Yet Hwaseung thinks a team with Jaedong on it is not worth sponsoring. Do you not see the problem here?

over all numbers are slowly falling with no growth potential in other areas.
ever major corporations knows their is a hard ceiling on ratings.... the peak is over and "investment spending" will always be limited.

Intel/AMD/ZOTAC all make logical sponsors for a computer game just as Ford/GM/Chrysler/Honda are great sponsors for an auto race.

the problem with Brood War is that I can pick a computer up for free at the local "Salvation Army Donation Store" and it will play Brood War.

Therefore, an entire segment of international manufacturers is out as a sponsor.

Could the Indianapolis Racing League by a thriving//growing entity if Auto Parts Manufacturer's and Auto Maker's themselves would not be a sponsor of any events?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
August 31 2011 17:04 GMT
#72
Nice to see at least some good news.

Too bad about the girl though, hope she and the BW scene can recover from this.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
August 31 2011 17:11 GMT
#73
Stats and Bisu definitely deserve their raises. Hopefully Hydra gets a good one also. I highly doubt he was well paid coming into this season. Sad to hear about Light's girl. Hopefully the girl will be cheered up when her hero comes to visit her. Reach's twitter Q&A article MUST be translated.
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
August 31 2011 17:16 GMT
#74
bw fighting^^ Nice to read some good news for a change.
Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
August 31 2011 17:18 GMT
#75
All of this put a smile on my face today, especially dat raise for Stats, he really deserves it!
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2227 Posts
August 31 2011 17:22 GMT
#76
I'm 28 and these news brought tears to my eyes, the hell, i love BW!
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
August 31 2011 17:27 GMT
#77
On September 01 2011 01:52 jhNz wrote:
Holy shit, a 100% salary increase is huuuge!

So was Stats' hit-list in the PL play-offs. The karmic circle closes.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 17:30:33
August 31 2011 17:29 GMT
#78
On September 01 2011 02:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 01:43 baubo wrote:
Let's put it this way.
1. There's a lot of fans who care about BW(high ratings)
2. There's a lot of money in BW(high player salary)
3. There's a lot of players in BW(best RTS players in the entire world)
4. THere's a lot of infrastructure in BW(2 cable channels
So why is it that half the league is saying "Screw this. Forget it"?
KT can give Stats a 100% raise. Yet Hwaseung thinks a team with Jaedong on it is not worth sponsoring. Do you not see the problem here?

over all numbers are slowly falling with no growth potential in other areas.
ever major corporations knows their is a hard ceiling on ratings.... the peak is over and "investment spending" will always be limited.

Intel/AMD/ZOTAC all make logical sponsors for a computer game just as Ford/GM/Chrysler/Honda are great sponsors for an auto race.

the problem with Brood War is that I can pick a computer up for free at the local "Salvation Army Donation Store" and it will play Brood War.

Therefore, an entire segment of international manufacturers is out as a sponsor.

Could the Indianapolis Racing League by a thriving//growing entity if Auto Parts Manufacturer's and Auto Maker's themselves would not be a sponsor of any events?


I fail to see why you are disagreeing with me.

My point is that there is a ton of money to be made off of BW. But that the current setup is flawed. You have basically explained why that is the case.

So why is there a need for 1 sponsor, 1 team? Why can't it be "National Starcraft Association" where every game is sponsored by Shinhan, Olleh, SK Telecom, etc.? Or something similar? Why do you force companies like Hwaseung and Wemade to make huge investment of a single team rather than lesser sponsorships?

My only point is that there's enough stuff to make things work. There's just not enough ingenuity.
Meh
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
August 31 2011 17:29 GMT
#79
Thanks for this, finally some better news!
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
August 31 2011 17:30 GMT
#80
With all this money they're throwing around, KT should pick up JD. Imagine JD and Flash as constant practice partners...o.O

If Khan took on JD, I'd be equally giddy. SKT I don't think would fit him.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1688 Posts
August 31 2011 17:33 GMT
#81
Why the gloomy comments?? This post is a much-needed ray of sunshine, and I'm gonna bask. Argue and cast shadows if you like, but don't come over here to me. BW hwaiting!!!
EleGant[AoV]
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 31 2011 17:35 GMT
#82
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Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
August 31 2011 17:39 GMT
#83
On September 01 2011 02:29 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 02:03 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On September 01 2011 01:43 baubo wrote:
Let's put it this way.
1. There's a lot of fans who care about BW(high ratings)
2. There's a lot of money in BW(high player salary)
3. There's a lot of players in BW(best RTS players in the entire world)
4. THere's a lot of infrastructure in BW(2 cable channels
So why is it that half the league is saying "Screw this. Forget it"?
KT can give Stats a 100% raise. Yet Hwaseung thinks a team with Jaedong on it is not worth sponsoring. Do you not see the problem here?

over all numbers are slowly falling with no growth potential in other areas.
ever major corporations knows their is a hard ceiling on ratings.... the peak is over and "investment spending" will always be limited.

Intel/AMD/ZOTAC all make logical sponsors for a computer game just as Ford/GM/Chrysler/Honda are great sponsors for an auto race.

the problem with Brood War is that I can pick a computer up for free at the local "Salvation Army Donation Store" and it will play Brood War.

Therefore, an entire segment of international manufacturers is out as a sponsor.

Could the Indianapolis Racing League by a thriving//growing entity if Auto Parts Manufacturer's and Auto Maker's themselves would not be a sponsor of any events?


I fail to see why you are disagreeing with me.

My point is that there is a ton of money to be made off of BW. But that the current setup is flawed. You have basically explained why that is the case.

So why is there a need for 1 sponsor, 1 team? Why can't it be "National Starcraft Association" where every game is sponsored by Shinhan, Olleh, SK Telecom, etc.? Or something similar? Why do you force companies like Hwaseung and Wemade to make huge investment of a single team rather than lesser sponsorships?

My only point is that there's enough stuff to make things work. There's just not enough ingenuity.


I think that's more of a problem with those specific corporations than anything else. However, my point was to not worry about problems that have no short-term solution, and just take what we can get. For example, what you say might sound good on paper, but in actuality, there might be logistical, financial, and other obstacles that prevent such a situation from materializing.
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
August 31 2011 17:47 GMT
#84
I never was into BW. This saddens me and I certainly regret it. Not only do I respect the game itself, and I don't want it to die, but if BW lasts 5 more years, maybe that means SC2 will also last longer. Maybe SC2 wont die until 5 years after SC3 comes out. Maybe SC3 could last ~15+ years as well. #futureofesports
elsx
Profile Joined November 2009
115 Posts
August 31 2011 17:53 GMT
#85
Thanks for the updates OP.
shaba
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1 Post
August 31 2011 17:57 GMT
#86
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

User was banned for this post.
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iinsight
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada293 Posts
August 31 2011 17:59 GMT
#87
Would love to see a translation on the questions for reach o.O
gesgi
Profile Joined December 2010
United States36 Posts
August 31 2011 18:05 GMT
#88
Bunch of good news. Hearing about the blood donations especially made me feel like there's hope for us humans.
Dear 허영무, thank you for everything. Oh, and congrats!
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
August 31 2011 18:07 GMT
#89
--- Nuked ---
Dakota69
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
August 31 2011 18:10 GMT
#90
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

User was temp banned for this post.
"My nipples are hard, I'm ready..I know your nipples are hard"--EGiNcontrol
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 31 2011 18:10 GMT
#91
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

So basically you're saying many people in Korea are lunatics and psychotic? That's not very polite.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
August 31 2011 18:12 GMT
#92
Time for some
Arevall
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1133 Posts
August 31 2011 18:12 GMT
#93
Good news!


And also,
Please don't derail this thread with SC2 vs. bw or even worse shit.

ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1688 Posts
August 31 2011 18:17 GMT
#94
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

You're nobody. Fuck off.
EleGant[AoV]
Dakota69
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
August 31 2011 18:18 GMT
#95
On September 01 2011 03:10 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

So basically you're saying many people in Korea are lunatics and psychotic? That's not very polite.

By a stretch he is saying that, but what the more general message is that devoting time and money to something that is outdated and (potentially) failing is lunacy.
"My nipples are hard, I'm ready..I know your nipples are hard"--EGiNcontrol
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1688 Posts
August 31 2011 18:18 GMT
#96
On September 01 2011 03:10 Dakota69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

And you. Also fuck off.
EleGant[AoV]
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 31 2011 18:19 GMT
#97
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

people will watch what they enjoy.
theres no rational reason people should watch pitchers take 10 mins to throw out a pitch but its been going on for 100+ years.
who are you to tell people what they should be watching/supporting.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 18:20:37
August 31 2011 18:20 GMT
#98
On September 01 2011 03:10 Dakota69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

Nobody cares what you think.
Dakota69
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
August 31 2011 18:20 GMT
#99
On September 01 2011 03:18 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:10 Dakota69 wrote:
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

And you. Also fuck off.

Thank you for your extremely well thought out and elegantly stated response. You truly are defending what you believe in there.
"My nipples are hard, I'm ready..I know your nipples are hard"--EGiNcontrol
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 31 2011 18:23 GMT
#100
He's pissed because you gave the worst fucking reason ever to not watch Brood War.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
hellbound
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2242 Posts
August 31 2011 18:24 GMT
#101
On September 01 2011 03:20 Dakota69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:18 ImbaTosS wrote:
On September 01 2011 03:10 Dakota69 wrote:
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

And you. Also fuck off.

Thank you for your extremely well thought out and elegantly stated response. You truly are defending what you believe in there.

There is really no point in properly responding to you, given your imminent warning/ban.
Dakota69
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
August 31 2011 18:25 GMT
#102
On September 01 2011 03:20 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:10 Dakota69 wrote:
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

Nobody cares what you think.

I explained my viewpoint and opened myself to criticism for it, you made a statement that has no backing and seemingly no reason to post. I really would have preferred an actual rebuttal.
"My nipples are hard, I'm ready..I know your nipples are hard"--EGiNcontrol
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 18:30:31
August 31 2011 18:27 GMT
#103
On September 01 2011 03:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
He's pissed because you gave the worst fucking reason ever to not watch Brood War.

Plus it's not worth his time explaining shit to someone who wouldn't understand.
But keep enjoying the 3d graphics.

On September 01 2011 03:25 Dakota69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:20 Condor Hero wrote:
On September 01 2011 03:10 Dakota69 wrote:
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

Nobody cares what you think.

I explained my viewpoint and opened myself to criticism for it, you made a statement that has no backing and seemingly no reason to post. I really would have preferred an actual rebuttal.

Your viewpoint is garbage, and I don't need to explain the inappropriateness of coming into a BW news thread telling people why you don't think it's worth your time to watch.
Basically like going to a college basketball game and telling the audience that you don't watch it because the NBA is better.
rasers
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden691 Posts
August 31 2011 18:27 GMT
#104
On September 01 2011 03:25 Dakota69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:20 Condor Hero wrote:
On September 01 2011 03:10 Dakota69 wrote:
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

Nobody cares what you think.

I explained my viewpoint and opened myself to criticism for it, you made a statement that has no backing and seemingly no reason to post. I really would have preferred an actual rebuttal.

y nice point u jump on everythign cause its new ^_^

and if u play games for graphics i dont know why the fuck u post on this site. and BW graphics > SC2 pew pew shiny graphics
Dakota69
Profile Joined March 2011
United States51 Posts
August 31 2011 18:28 GMT
#105
On September 01 2011 03:27 Condor Hero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
He's pissed because you gave the worst fucking reason ever to not watch Brood War.

Plus it's not worth his time explaining shit to someone who wouldn't understand.
But keep enjoying the 3d graphics.

Because I don't like Brood War I couldn't possibly understand why someone else might enjoy it? That's awfully close minded of you.
"My nipples are hard, I'm ready..I know your nipples are hard"--EGiNcontrol
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
August 31 2011 18:30 GMT
#106
On September 01 2011 03:28 Dakota69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:27 Condor Hero wrote:
On September 01 2011 03:23 BLinD-RawR wrote:
He's pissed because you gave the worst fucking reason ever to not watch Brood War.

Plus it's not worth his time explaining shit to someone who wouldn't understand.
But keep enjoying the 3d graphics.

Because I don't like Brood War I couldn't possibly understand why someone else might enjoy it? That's awfully close minded of you.

Go away please.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
August 31 2011 18:30 GMT
#107
For a game that you claim is so hard to watch because of it's graphics still had 1 in every 5 teenagers in Korea watch the proleague Grand Finlas,I'd prefer it if you learn to look past the graphics and actually critisise the game and it's proscene,otherwise your argument is quite poor.
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aguy38
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
131 Posts
August 31 2011 18:33 GMT
#108
On September 01 2011 03:25 Dakota69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:20 Condor Hero wrote:
On September 01 2011 03:10 Dakota69 wrote:
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

Nobody cares what you think.

I explained my viewpoint and opened myself to criticism for it, you made a statement that has no backing and seemingly no reason to post. I really would have preferred an actual rebuttal.


mk, how about this. As fun as I find SC2 it just isn't SC:BW. I have serious doubts that that will ever change. SC2 just doesn't feel the same. It lacks a certain dynamic feel to it that BW has right now. Maybe it is the development time that BW has had or maybe not. We have to give SC2 about ten years to find out. However, it is stupid to simply rule out one of (if not the) best games ever made. You expect people to abandon something as developed as BW for a game that is still in it's infancy. I find the notion laughable, and if one day SC2 does take over and BW disappears I hope that it is with enough time for it to be a graceful transition. I don't want it to be something that is just thrown on a game that is still being patched. I don't want it put on a game that still has TWO expansions left. I want the transition to be given to a better game than BW and that game is NOT SC2.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 18:40:51
August 31 2011 18:38 GMT
#109
All in all this sounds like great news, except for the Bisu part. I hope Light girl, Violet, and Flash all get well soon

P.S. <3 Harem
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
wassbix
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada499 Posts
August 31 2011 18:38 GMT
#110
Too bad God Young ho is in surgery, otherwise he could heal Light girl (or is it leprosy only?)
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
August 31 2011 18:38 GMT
#111
Damn, it's amazing that there's still all this awesome stuff happening! Looking forward to the next season
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
August 31 2011 18:42 GMT
#112
I'd donate blood to light girl as well, except i don't live in korea.
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
aguy38
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
131 Posts
August 31 2011 18:43 GMT
#113
It'll be interesting to see how Flash performs after his surgery. I expect him to be even better than he is now. Maybe I hope for too much.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 31 2011 18:43 GMT
#114
On September 01 2011 03:38 Grobyc wrote:
All in all this sounds like great news, except for the Bisu part. I hope Light girl, Violet, and Flash all get well soon

P.S. <3 Harem

haha yeah, Bisu should be fine too.
The guy already makes bank and after coming off a record season (I think the teams care a ton more about Proleague than individual leagues) he should definately get a raise. Probably not Flash level but he'll be amongst best paid in progaming.
LEGAsee
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
August 31 2011 18:44 GMT
#115
On September 01 2011 03:33 aguy38 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:25 Dakota69 wrote:
On September 01 2011 03:20 Condor Hero wrote:
On September 01 2011 03:10 Dakota69 wrote:
On September 01 2011 02:57 shaba wrote:
people still watch broodwar?? that is absolutely ridiculous. i was one of the first pro players here in America, in clan deathrow. broodwar is a great memory and im grateful for everything it taught and gave me. but i think its really psychotic people are still trying to support a game that is clearly obsolete in every way. not rational behavior.

if i was one of the last few guys in BW, i'd still take your money too. but who, on earth, would ever watch or support those matches??? lunacy

time to get some therapy. its not 2002 anymore. we have sc2 and other bigger better things, good god people.. LIVE

This ^^
I can't stand watching Brood War because the graphics are so terrible. Feel free to call me whatever since that is my reason for not watching, but the fact of the matter is that relatively the same game exists with a 3D graphics engine. TL is donating more attention to SC2, why won't everyone else.

Nobody cares what you think.

I explained my viewpoint and opened myself to criticism for it, you made a statement that has no backing and seemingly no reason to post. I really would have preferred an actual rebuttal.


mk, how about this. As fun as I find SC2 it just isn't SC:BW. I have serious doubts that that will ever change. SC2 just doesn't feel the same. It lacks a certain dynamic feel to it that BW has right now. Maybe it is the development time that BW has had or maybe not. We have to give SC2 about ten years to find out. However, it is stupid to simply rule out one of (if not the) best games ever made. You expect people to abandon something as developed as BW for a game that is still in it's infancy. I find the notion laughable, and if one day SC2 does take over and BW disappears I hope that it is with enough time for it to be a graceful transition. I don't want it to be something that is just thrown on a game that is still being patched. I don't want it put on a game that still has TWO expansions left. I want the transition to be given to a better game than BW and that game is NOT SC2.



Seriously, anyone who thinks they are the same game either sucks at sc2/sucked at both of them or never played BW. They are entirely different games, really. If sc2 was called Warcraft in Space there wouldn't be a split in the community and it probably wouldn't get any attention at all in Korea. It's actually funny that this guy says it's 'relatively the same game' when for the longest time sc2 guys criticized BW "elitists" for just wanting BW with better graphics.


Dakota, are you 12 years old? I hate playing an RTS in 3d, the entire feel is fucked and I can't imagine anyone who is post puberty would really have a problem with "graphics". I can't imagine anyone who is competitive in an RTS or any game to really give a shit about graphics at all, actually, unless it hindered gameplay (oh shit, it does that in sc2!!).


Awesome for Stats on his humongous raise, anyone have any idea when we will get to see him post op? Also, are they constantly renewing Violet's contract and he is still getting paid/ treated like a player despite having to sit in a hospital all day? That's pretty baller if that's the case. GO GO KT!
Brood War has been a part of our lives for the last 12 years. No, we don't want change.
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 18:48:31
August 31 2011 18:47 GMT
#116
Good to hear some good news. I'm guessing Bisu will get a pretty hefty raise. I'm really glad for Stats, and hope Violet, Flash, and Light Girl get well soon.

Also, Harem is awesome.
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 31 2011 18:47 GMT
#117
On September 01 2011 01:43 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 01:26 Qaatar wrote:
On September 01 2011 00:53 baubo wrote:
So basically SKT1 and KT are like the Red Sox and the Yankees. And Fox/Oz/MBC are like the Royals/Devil Rays/Pirates. Except the revenue disparity is even higher and there's no revenue sharing or other ways for lesser teams to make ends meet.

I know this is suppose to be an upbeat thread, so sorry to be debbie downer here.


At this point in time, who gives a shit about the structure of the league when even the league itself was in question? I think most of us will take all the good news that we can get right about now.


Let's put it this way.

1. There's a lot of fans who care about BW(high ratings)
2. There's a lot of money in BW(high player salary)
3. There's a lot of players in BW(best RTS players in the entire world)
4. THere's a lot of infrastructure in BW(2 cable channels

So why is it that half the league is saying "Screw this. Forget it"?

KT can give Stats a 100% raise. Yet Hwaseung thinks a team with Jaedong on it is not worth sponsoring. Do you not see the problem here?


maybe just maybe the problem is not with BW and its scene? Financial crisis got to Korea and its time to cut corners? Just guessing.
Stork[gm]
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
August 31 2011 18:50 GMT
#118
This is the first time I've heard about Light girl. Even though I found out about her because of a tragedy, the story still makes me smile. I really hope she can make it through
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JerKy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)3013 Posts
August 31 2011 18:55 GMT
#119
Hooray for good news
Hurry up Bisu!
You can type "StarCraft" with just your left hand.
erin[go]bragh
Profile Joined December 2008
United States815 Posts
August 31 2011 18:55 GMT
#120
Awesome stuff. I can't wait to see Stats' new chin! Hahahaha

And Light girl will truly be the ultimate Light fan- she can say she actually has his blood flowing in her veins!

And big thanks to Harem! <3
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aguy38
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
131 Posts
August 31 2011 18:57 GMT
#121
On September 01 2011 03:55 erin[go]bragh wrote:
Awesome stuff. I can't wait to see Stats' new chin! Hahahaha

And Light girl will truly be the ultimate Light fan- she can say she actually has his blood flowing in her veins!

And big thanks to Harem! <3

maybe, but what if they have a different blood type! That would be tragedy indeed, but in all seriousness I hope she gets better.
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
August 31 2011 19:00 GMT
#122
Some good news. Though I wonder where JD will go if Oz disbands.
NathanSC
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States620 Posts
August 31 2011 19:00 GMT
#123
These are all great stories. Thanks for sharing.

The Light Girl thing is really touching.
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
August 31 2011 19:08 GMT
#124
Thank you so much for this. It helps me keep faith and believe in a future of e-sports.

"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
August 31 2011 19:13 GMT
#125
On September 01 2011 03:27 Condor Hero wrote:
Basically like going to a college basketball game and telling the audience that you don't watch it because the NBA is better.


Very bad analogy. BW is not college basketball ........... and SC2 definitely isn't the NBA if BW is college basketball. Besides, isn't NBA really better?

It's more like telling people to watch Major League Soccer instead of the UEFA Champions League because he thinks that the European players are ugly and handsome David Beckham is there.
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LayZRR
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany449 Posts
August 31 2011 19:15 GMT
#126
What do they earn in a tournament? i mean the most money they make with their salary right?
aguy38
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
131 Posts
August 31 2011 19:20 GMT
#127
On September 01 2011 04:15 LayZRR wrote:
What do they earn in a tournament? i mean the most money they make with their salary right?

What do NFL players get from winning the Superbowl? I mean most of their money comes from endorsements right?

It is a prestige thing.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 31 2011 19:32 GMT
#128
On September 01 2011 04:15 LayZRR wrote:
What do they earn in a tournament? i mean the most money they make with their salary right?

Those who qualify for the OSL/MSL proper get some form of prize money. They also get bonuses for winning matches. Depending on the individual contracts, players may get bonuses for winning streaks, winning a certain number of games in a season, winning Ace games, getting past a certain round in the OSL/MSL etc.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
August 31 2011 19:34 GMT
#129
On September 01 2011 04:20 aguy38 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 04:15 LayZRR wrote:
What do they earn in a tournament? i mean the most money they make with their salary right?

What do NFL players get from winning the Superbowl? I mean most of their money comes from endorsements right?

It is a prestige thing.

This is a pretty dickish reply. As far as I recall, the prize money for a major event is nothing to scoff at.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190520

Assuming 1000:1 Won:USD, which is close enough, first place is $40,000.

Further, players often have success clauses in their contracts where they get a bonus if they get far enugh in a major tournament. Finally, if nothing less, winning events boosts their popularity and hence their power to renegotiate for higher salaries.
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aguy38
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
131 Posts
August 31 2011 19:36 GMT
#130
On September 01 2011 04:34 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 04:20 aguy38 wrote:
On September 01 2011 04:15 LayZRR wrote:
What do they earn in a tournament? i mean the most money they make with their salary right?

What do NFL players get from winning the Superbowl? I mean most of their money comes from endorsements right?

It is a prestige thing.

This is a pretty dickish reply. As far as I recall, the prize money for a major event is nothing to scoff at.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190520

Assuming 1000:1 Won:USD, which is close enough, first place is $40,000.

Further, players often have success clauses in their contracts where they get a bonus if they get far enugh in a major tournament. Finally, if nothing less, winning events boosts their popularity and hence their power to renegotiate for higher salaries.

ok ok, granted but I probably could have worded it better and not been such a dick. However, I still think that the prestige is worth more than the prize money.
Arc1
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland849 Posts
August 31 2011 19:50 GMT
#131
Now this kind of thread is something I would like to see more often. I'm very happy that there will be next season
Nothing to add.
Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
August 31 2011 19:57 GMT
#132
Light so cute <3
I am Latedi.
Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 19:59:55
August 31 2011 19:59 GMT
#133
Good news!
The doomsday predictions for Korean SC in other threads is ridiculous. SC is by all means a national sport in Korea. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 31 2011 20:00 GMT
#134
On September 01 2011 04:36 aguy38 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 04:34 Chill wrote:
On September 01 2011 04:20 aguy38 wrote:
On September 01 2011 04:15 LayZRR wrote:
What do they earn in a tournament? i mean the most money they make with their salary right?

What do NFL players get from winning the Superbowl? I mean most of their money comes from endorsements right?

It is a prestige thing.

This is a pretty dickish reply. As far as I recall, the prize money for a major event is nothing to scoff at.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190520

Assuming 1000:1 Won:USD, which is close enough, first place is $40,000.

Further, players often have success clauses in their contracts where they get a bonus if they get far enugh in a major tournament. Finally, if nothing less, winning events boosts their popularity and hence their power to renegotiate for higher salaries.

ok ok, granted but I probably could have worded it better and not been such a dick. However, I still think that the prestige is worth more than the prize money.

That all dependents on the individual. Some people value money more, and some, their rise in fame & reputation. Can't really generalise something like that according to your own views.
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rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
August 31 2011 20:13 GMT
#135
I would love to read the Um Jae Gyung interview if anyone would be so kind. He knows his shit.
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
August 31 2011 20:16 GMT
#136
cool post opticalshot
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Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
August 31 2011 20:17 GMT
#137
good news =)
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boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
August 31 2011 20:31 GMT
#138
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Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
August 31 2011 20:33 GMT
#139
On September 01 2011 04:13 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 03:27 Condor Hero wrote:
Basically like going to a college basketball game and telling the audience that you don't watch it because the NBA is better.


Very bad analogy. BW is not college basketball ........... and SC2 definitely isn't the NBA if BW is college basketball. Besides, isn't NBA really better?

It's more like telling people to watch Major League Soccer instead of the UEFA Champions League because he thinks that the European players are ugly and handsome David Beckham is there.

Way to not get my point, which was you don't go to an event then tell the people there you wouldn't watch the shit they watch.
Kalent
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada253 Posts
August 31 2011 20:41 GMT
#140
On September 01 2011 05:13 rift wrote:
I would love to read the Um Jae Gyung interview if anyone would be so kind. He knows his shit.


If nobody is willing to, I'll translate. But my Korean is hardly native anymore
Korean-Canadian who spends way too much time on Afreeca
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
August 31 2011 20:42 GMT
#141
Very good to hear news like this when we've been so depressed in the BW forum lately. If major corporations are re-signing six-figure salaries for their players, they clearly don't think the scene is going away anytime soon, I don't see why we should think it is either.

As long as the 3 sponsorless teams can successfully merge with a new sponsor, and as long as Jaedong doesn't throw off the balance even more by joining KT or SKT, we should have a thriving Proleague next season too. Looking forward to it.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
August 31 2011 20:48 GMT
#142
links arnt working for me? i want to read the Q&A of Reach.

i dont need a korean ip do i?
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
August 31 2011 21:01 GMT
#143
yey!!! this makes me smile

i hope there's a new season

but anyone knows what's going to happen to the great tyrant, jaedong? how is he taking it, is he going to transfer to other team?

and stats had chin surgery?!? what?!? is that a joke?!? seriously, what happened?
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
August 31 2011 21:02 GMT
#144
For the fricking win!
"Light, having heard the news, immediately visited a local hospital to make blood donation towards the girl's surgery" - Light girl is TOTALLY going to enjoy that blood.
For now, time to dive in!
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
August 31 2011 21:04 GMT
#145
On September 01 2011 00:24 OminouS wrote:
I hope that BW will survive so I can maybe get enough money to travel to Korea and watch it in time. These news are good to read about.


i second that! we're already planning to go to korea this june 2012. bw pls. don't die!!!
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
August 31 2011 21:10 GMT
#146
Thanks a lot.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
ZergMaestro
Profile Joined January 2011
United States169 Posts
August 31 2011 21:12 GMT
#147
Does Violet have a chance to come back to playing at all? I have no idea how leukemia works. No kid should have to deal with that shit its sad.
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Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
August 31 2011 21:14 GMT
#148
Thanks for giving us a brief summary of these news articles. Most of them are really great news, and I hope Light Girl gets better soon.

I actually would like to see more of these, I'd imagine it takes a lot less work to write a brief summary than translate an entire article.
tube
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1475 Posts
August 31 2011 21:15 GMT
#149
On September 01 2011 05:31 boesthius wrote:
The story about Light and Light Girl are very touching - it's like something out of a movie~

yeah seriously
they could make a romance tragedy about the hard life of a progamer and his relationship with a fan
and legitly say based on a true story
Two in harmony surpasses one in perfection.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
August 31 2011 21:19 GMT
#150
On September 01 2011 06:12 ZergMaestro wrote:
Does Violet have a chance to come back to playing at all? I have no idea how leukemia works. No kid should have to deal with that shit its sad.


he said he'd try to make a comeback in 2012
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
August 31 2011 21:19 GMT
#151
Yay for good news! Chintoss and Violet! <3 :D
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1688 Posts
August 31 2011 21:20 GMT
#152
On September 01 2011 06:01 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote:
yey!!! this makes me smile

i hope there's a new season

but anyone knows what's going to happen to the great tyrant, jaedong? how is he taking it, is he going to transfer to other team?

and stats had chin surgery?!? what?!? is that a joke?!? seriously, what happened?

There was some problem whereby he was unable to close his mouth properly any more. He has had this corrected- don't expect a chinless stats next season :p
EleGant[AoV]
Umbrella
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Taiwan936 Posts
August 31 2011 21:29 GMT
#153
August has always been bad. Hopefully we'll see the scene stabilize afterwards.
Kalent
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 21:44:37
August 31 2011 21:41 GMT
#154
I translated the "OGN commentator Um Jae Gyung opens up about the current state of the scene" article found here http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364. I'm not too good a translating, and I didn't really check it over carefully so please forgive me of the bad quality .
Should I just leave it here or do I make another thread? I'm a noob here :p

+ Show Spoiler +
Commentator Um Jae Gyung has given some advice regarding the apparent danger esports (BW) is in.

Commentator Um, in a telephone interview with DES on the 29th said "Instead of looking at the scene negatively because of the apparent danger it is in and blaming others for it, we should try harder to make a more fun league, and a more fun esports for the future."

4 days ago, Commentator Um posed this on Twitter "The eSports scene started with nothing." He tweeted "Depressing news is all over the eSports scene but I don't worry too much. That choice is in the buyers, aka tha fans so there's no reason to blame anyone" He said as he started to talk about the early days of eSports

Um started commentating even before Ongamenet was created in a kid's cartoon channel named tooniverse that was brodcasting starcraft leagues. "There were no game channels at first. We just took a ping-pong table that was rolling around somewhere inside the tooniverse company building and put a black cloth over it to use for stage setup and had a very small prize pool. It was just for fun, a small, weird event" He reminisced.

So he explained that the current situation is not a danger through comparing. "In the eyes of a person who started with 0 won, I don't want to even say cheer up to the people who are depressed and saying it's dead from the scene falling from 10,000,000 won (T/N: $10,000 aprox.) to 9,000,000 won ($T/N $9,000 aprox.)" He tweeted.

In the telephone interview with DailyESports, Um explained "A team may disband because of many reasons from the sponsors. The important things are the coaching staff and the players that make up a game team. These guys are able to be players thanks to the system that allows them to be absorbed into other teams easily like the Estro situation."

If there is a disappointing point, it is the fact that one of the sponsors that is pulling away from their teams is the gaming cable channel MBCGame. "It is important culturally and industrially to have cable channels broadcast gaming content. The broadcast is a power mechanism as we are able to showcase our player's games to more places and people, therefore hardcore fans, people interested in the content and the people around them are able to take interest in it."

He also analysed the reason danger has appeared to us. One of the reasons that game teams lost their attractiveness to sponsors is because of the match-fixing with the illegal betting sites, and the other is the dispute between Kespa and Blizzard Ent about the broadcasting rights. The clean image that sponsors wanted was destroyed by the match-fixing in the world of competition and the disputes were taken all the way to court so the chances for synergy (T/N Not sure about my translations here) was reduced.

Commentator Um confessed his wishes to see leagues and eSports programs that people want to see. When Starcraft leagues were first being made, "Nobody predicted that the industry would grow, but it achieved a dream bigger than a dream (T/N: That's how he said it). He said, "When you talk of success in most industries, especially content-based industries, success is not just capturing the niche, hardcore fans but it has to have the ability to attract people that are just passing by."

It was possible for sponsors to create teams because there were not only fans that watched, but because that scene had the ability to attract people who watched occasionally. Creating more leagues and more content is important, but it's crucial to care about the quality of the games, history between players, and to create contents that give viewers a sense of enjoyment while watching.

Commentator Um says "I would be lying if I said I'm not disappointed about the sponsors pulling away from their game teams, but isn't it better than the times when we would have tournaments on top of a ping pong table with a black cloth on it? When danger is upon us, we need to analyse why carefullly and then we need to use this as a chance to capture that eyes of mainstream viewers."

[DailyeSports Reporter Nam Yoon Sung thenam@dailyesports.com]

From: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364
Korean-Canadian who spends way too much time on Afreeca
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 31 2011 21:44 GMT
#155
On September 01 2011 06:41 Kalent wrote:
I translated the "OGN commentator Um Jae Gyung opens up about the current state of the scene" article found here http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364. I'm not too good a translating, and I didn't really check it over carefully so please forgive me of the bad quality .

+ Show Spoiler +
Commentator Um Jae Gyung has given some advice regarding the apparent danger esports (BW) is in.

Commentator Um, in a telephone interview with DES on the 29th said "Instead of looking at the scene negatively because of the apparent danger it is in and blaming others for it, we should try harder to make a more fun league, and a more fun esports for the future."

4 days ago, Commentator Um posed this on Twitter "The eSports scene started with nothing." He tweeted "Depressing news is all over the eSports scene but I don't worry too much. That choice is in the buyers, aka tha fans so there's no reason to blame anyone" He said as he started to talk about the early days of eSports

Um started commentating even before Ongamenet was created in a kid's cartoon channel named tooniverse that was brodcasting starcraft leagues. "There were no game channels at first. We just took a ping-pong table that was rolling around somewhere inside the tooniverse company building and put a black cloth over it to use for stage setup and had a very small prize pool. It was just for fun, a small, weird event" He reminisced.

So he explained that the current situation is not a danger through comparing. "In the eyes of a person who started with 0 won, I don't want to even say cheer up to the people who are depressed and saying it's dead from the scene falling from 10,000,000 won (T/N: $10,000 aprox.) to 9,000,000 won ($T/N $9,000 aprox.)" He tweeted.

In the telephone interview with DailyESports, Um explained "A team may disband because of many reasons from the sponsors. The important things are the coaching staff and the players that make up a game team. These guys are able to be players thanks to the system that allows them to be absorbed into other teams easily like the Estro situation."

If there is a disappointing point, it is the fact that one of the sponsors that is pulling away from their teams is the gaming cable channel MBCGame. "It is important culturally and industrially to have cable channels broadcast gaming content. The broadcast is a power mechanism as we are able to showcase our player's games to more places and people, therefore hardcore fans, people interested in the content and the people around them are able to take interest in it."

He also analysed the reason danger has appeared to us. One of the reasons that game teams lost their attractiveness to sponsors is because of the match-fixing with the illegal betting sites, and the other is the dispute between Kespa and Blizzard Ent about the broadcasting rights. The clean image that sponsors wanted was destroyed by the match-fixing in the world of competition and the disputes were taken all the way to court so the chances for synergy (T/N Not sure about my translations here) was reduced.

Commentator Um confessed his wishes to see leagues and eSports programs that people want to see. When Starcraft leagues were first being made, "Nobody predicted that the industry would grow, but it achieved a dream bigger than a dream (T/N: That's how he said it). He said, "When you talk of success in most industries, especially content-based industries, success is not just capturing the niche, hardcore fans but it has to have the ability to attract people that are just passing by."

It was possible for sponsors to create teams because there were not only fans that watched, but because that scene had the ability to attract people who watched occasionally. Creating more leagues and more content is important, but it's crucial to care about the quality of the games, history between players, and to create contents that give viewers a sense of enjoyment while watching.

Commentator Um says "I would be lying if I said I'm not disappointed about the sponsors pulling away from their game teams, but isn't it better than the times when we would have tournaments on top of a ping pong table with a black cloth on it? When danger is upon us, we need to analyse why carefullly and then we need to use this as a chance to capture that eyes of mainstream viewers."

[DailyeSports Reporter Nam Yoon Sung thenam@dailyesports.com]

From: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364


Awesome job. You should start a new thread with the translation, or it might get skipped and buried in this thread.
Kalent
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada253 Posts
August 31 2011 21:46 GMT
#156
On September 01 2011 06:44 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 06:41 Kalent wrote:
I translated the "OGN commentator Um Jae Gyung opens up about the current state of the scene" article found here http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364. I'm not too good a translating, and I didn't really check it over carefully so please forgive me of the bad quality .

+ Show Spoiler +
Commentator Um Jae Gyung has given some advice regarding the apparent danger esports (BW) is in.

Commentator Um, in a telephone interview with DES on the 29th said "Instead of looking at the scene negatively because of the apparent danger it is in and blaming others for it, we should try harder to make a more fun league, and a more fun esports for the future."

4 days ago, Commentator Um posed this on Twitter "The eSports scene started with nothing." He tweeted "Depressing news is all over the eSports scene but I don't worry too much. That choice is in the buyers, aka tha fans so there's no reason to blame anyone" He said as he started to talk about the early days of eSports

Um started commentating even before Ongamenet was created in a kid's cartoon channel named tooniverse that was brodcasting starcraft leagues. "There were no game channels at first. We just took a ping-pong table that was rolling around somewhere inside the tooniverse company building and put a black cloth over it to use for stage setup and had a very small prize pool. It was just for fun, a small, weird event" He reminisced.

So he explained that the current situation is not a danger through comparing. "In the eyes of a person who started with 0 won, I don't want to even say cheer up to the people who are depressed and saying it's dead from the scene falling from 10,000,000 won (T/N: $10,000 aprox.) to 9,000,000 won ($T/N $9,000 aprox.)" He tweeted.

In the telephone interview with DailyESports, Um explained "A team may disband because of many reasons from the sponsors. The important things are the coaching staff and the players that make up a game team. These guys are able to be players thanks to the system that allows them to be absorbed into other teams easily like the Estro situation."

If there is a disappointing point, it is the fact that one of the sponsors that is pulling away from their teams is the gaming cable channel MBCGame. "It is important culturally and industrially to have cable channels broadcast gaming content. The broadcast is a power mechanism as we are able to showcase our player's games to more places and people, therefore hardcore fans, people interested in the content and the people around them are able to take interest in it."

He also analysed the reason danger has appeared to us. One of the reasons that game teams lost their attractiveness to sponsors is because of the match-fixing with the illegal betting sites, and the other is the dispute between Kespa and Blizzard Ent about the broadcasting rights. The clean image that sponsors wanted was destroyed by the match-fixing in the world of competition and the disputes were taken all the way to court so the chances for synergy (T/N Not sure about my translations here) was reduced.

Commentator Um confessed his wishes to see leagues and eSports programs that people want to see. When Starcraft leagues were first being made, "Nobody predicted that the industry would grow, but it achieved a dream bigger than a dream (T/N: That's how he said it). He said, "When you talk of success in most industries, especially content-based industries, success is not just capturing the niche, hardcore fans but it has to have the ability to attract people that are just passing by."

It was possible for sponsors to create teams because there were not only fans that watched, but because that scene had the ability to attract people who watched occasionally. Creating more leagues and more content is important, but it's crucial to care about the quality of the games, history between players, and to create contents that give viewers a sense of enjoyment while watching.

Commentator Um says "I would be lying if I said I'm not disappointed about the sponsors pulling away from their game teams, but isn't it better than the times when we would have tournaments on top of a ping pong table with a black cloth on it? When danger is upon us, we need to analyse why carefullly and then we need to use this as a chance to capture that eyes of mainstream viewers."

[DailyeSports Reporter Nam Yoon Sung thenam@dailyesports.com]

From: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364


Awesome job. You should start a new thread with the translation, or it might get skipped and buried in this thread.


Ummm.. Thanks, I was wondering if I should or not.
Korean-Canadian who spends way too much time on Afreeca
Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
August 31 2011 21:48 GMT
#157
On September 01 2011 06:46 Kalent wrote:
Ummm.. Thanks, I was wondering if I should or not.


Definitely, and thanks for the translation.
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1688 Posts
August 31 2011 21:49 GMT
#158
On September 01 2011 06:44 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 06:41 Kalent wrote:
I translated the "OGN commentator Um Jae Gyung opens up about the current state of the scene" article found here http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364. I'm not too good a translating, and I didn't really check it over carefully so please forgive me of the bad quality .

+ Show Spoiler +
Commentator Um Jae Gyung has given some advice regarding the apparent danger esports (BW) is in.

Commentator Um, in a telephone interview with DES on the 29th said "Instead of looking at the scene negatively because of the apparent danger it is in and blaming others for it, we should try harder to make a more fun league, and a more fun esports for the future."

4 days ago, Commentator Um posed this on Twitter "The eSports scene started with nothing." He tweeted "Depressing news is all over the eSports scene but I don't worry too much. That choice is in the buyers, aka tha fans so there's no reason to blame anyone" He said as he started to talk about the early days of eSports

Um started commentating even before Ongamenet was created in a kid's cartoon channel named tooniverse that was brodcasting starcraft leagues. "There were no game channels at first. We just took a ping-pong table that was rolling around somewhere inside the tooniverse company building and put a black cloth over it to use for stage setup and had a very small prize pool. It was just for fun, a small, weird event" He reminisced.

So he explained that the current situation is not a danger through comparing. "In the eyes of a person who started with 0 won, I don't want to even say cheer up to the people who are depressed and saying it's dead from the scene falling from 10,000,000 won (T/N: $10,000 aprox.) to 9,000,000 won ($T/N $9,000 aprox.)" He tweeted.

In the telephone interview with DailyESports, Um explained "A team may disband because of many reasons from the sponsors. The important things are the coaching staff and the players that make up a game team. These guys are able to be players thanks to the system that allows them to be absorbed into other teams easily like the Estro situation."

If there is a disappointing point, it is the fact that one of the sponsors that is pulling away from their teams is the gaming cable channel MBCGame. "It is important culturally and industrially to have cable channels broadcast gaming content. The broadcast is a power mechanism as we are able to showcase our player's games to more places and people, therefore hardcore fans, people interested in the content and the people around them are able to take interest in it."

He also analysed the reason danger has appeared to us. One of the reasons that game teams lost their attractiveness to sponsors is because of the match-fixing with the illegal betting sites, and the other is the dispute between Kespa and Blizzard Ent about the broadcasting rights. The clean image that sponsors wanted was destroyed by the match-fixing in the world of competition and the disputes were taken all the way to court so the chances for synergy (T/N Not sure about my translations here) was reduced.

Commentator Um confessed his wishes to see leagues and eSports programs that people want to see. When Starcraft leagues were first being made, "Nobody predicted that the industry would grow, but it achieved a dream bigger than a dream (T/N: That's how he said it). He said, "When you talk of success in most industries, especially content-based industries, success is not just capturing the niche, hardcore fans but it has to have the ability to attract people that are just passing by."

It was possible for sponsors to create teams because there were not only fans that watched, but because that scene had the ability to attract people who watched occasionally. Creating more leagues and more content is important, but it's crucial to care about the quality of the games, history between players, and to create contents that give viewers a sense of enjoyment while watching.

Commentator Um says "I would be lying if I said I'm not disappointed about the sponsors pulling away from their game teams, but isn't it better than the times when we would have tournaments on top of a ping pong table with a black cloth on it? When danger is upon us, we need to analyse why carefullly and then we need to use this as a chance to capture that eyes of mainstream viewers."

[DailyeSports Reporter Nam Yoon Sung thenam@dailyesports.com]

From: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364


Awesome job. You should start a new thread with the translation, or it might get skipped and buried in this thread.

Wow yeah, really good job. This should at least be linked into the OP.
EleGant[AoV]
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 31 2011 21:49 GMT
#159
On September 01 2011 06:46 Kalent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 06:44 bearbuddy wrote:
On September 01 2011 06:41 Kalent wrote:
I translated the "OGN commentator Um Jae Gyung opens up about the current state of the scene" article found here http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364. I'm not too good a translating, and I didn't really check it over carefully so please forgive me of the bad quality .

+ Show Spoiler +
Commentator Um Jae Gyung has given some advice regarding the apparent danger esports (BW) is in.

Commentator Um, in a telephone interview with DES on the 29th said "Instead of looking at the scene negatively because of the apparent danger it is in and blaming others for it, we should try harder to make a more fun league, and a more fun esports for the future."

4 days ago, Commentator Um posed this on Twitter "The eSports scene started with nothing." He tweeted "Depressing news is all over the eSports scene but I don't worry too much. That choice is in the buyers, aka tha fans so there's no reason to blame anyone" He said as he started to talk about the early days of eSports

Um started commentating even before Ongamenet was created in a kid's cartoon channel named tooniverse that was brodcasting starcraft leagues. "There were no game channels at first. We just took a ping-pong table that was rolling around somewhere inside the tooniverse company building and put a black cloth over it to use for stage setup and had a very small prize pool. It was just for fun, a small, weird event" He reminisced.

So he explained that the current situation is not a danger through comparing. "In the eyes of a person who started with 0 won, I don't want to even say cheer up to the people who are depressed and saying it's dead from the scene falling from 10,000,000 won (T/N: $10,000 aprox.) to 9,000,000 won ($T/N $9,000 aprox.)" He tweeted.

In the telephone interview with DailyESports, Um explained "A team may disband because of many reasons from the sponsors. The important things are the coaching staff and the players that make up a game team. These guys are able to be players thanks to the system that allows them to be absorbed into other teams easily like the Estro situation."

If there is a disappointing point, it is the fact that one of the sponsors that is pulling away from their teams is the gaming cable channel MBCGame. "It is important culturally and industrially to have cable channels broadcast gaming content. The broadcast is a power mechanism as we are able to showcase our player's games to more places and people, therefore hardcore fans, people interested in the content and the people around them are able to take interest in it."

He also analysed the reason danger has appeared to us. One of the reasons that game teams lost their attractiveness to sponsors is because of the match-fixing with the illegal betting sites, and the other is the dispute between Kespa and Blizzard Ent about the broadcasting rights. The clean image that sponsors wanted was destroyed by the match-fixing in the world of competition and the disputes were taken all the way to court so the chances for synergy (T/N Not sure about my translations here) was reduced.

Commentator Um confessed his wishes to see leagues and eSports programs that people want to see. When Starcraft leagues were first being made, "Nobody predicted that the industry would grow, but it achieved a dream bigger than a dream (T/N: That's how he said it). He said, "When you talk of success in most industries, especially content-based industries, success is not just capturing the niche, hardcore fans but it has to have the ability to attract people that are just passing by."

It was possible for sponsors to create teams because there were not only fans that watched, but because that scene had the ability to attract people who watched occasionally. Creating more leagues and more content is important, but it's crucial to care about the quality of the games, history between players, and to create contents that give viewers a sense of enjoyment while watching.

Commentator Um says "I would be lying if I said I'm not disappointed about the sponsors pulling away from their game teams, but isn't it better than the times when we would have tournaments on top of a ping pong table with a black cloth on it? When danger is upon us, we need to analyse why carefullly and then we need to use this as a chance to capture that eyes of mainstream viewers."

[DailyeSports Reporter Nam Yoon Sung thenam@dailyesports.com]

From: http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/read.php?id=49364


Awesome job. You should start a new thread with the translation, or it might get skipped and buried in this thread.


Ummm.. Thanks, I was wondering if I should or not.

Yes, please do. And thanks for translating
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Kalent
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada253 Posts
August 31 2011 22:03 GMT
#160
About KT resigning Violet.
Wow, KT is baller. Makes me want to become a fan. The trust they put into their players and Violet is amazing.
Korean-Canadian who spends way too much time on Afreeca
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
August 31 2011 22:16 GMT
#161
Yay! Happy news happy news! and Um Jae Gyung is absolutely right, can't focus on the bad and need to focus on what we can do for the future. ^^
http://www.starcraftmecca.net - Founder
juzlol
Profile Joined January 2011
United States125 Posts
August 31 2011 22:27 GMT
#162
Light girl hwaiting :$~~~~~
Pippah
Profile Joined January 2010
Denmark353 Posts
August 31 2011 22:36 GMT
#163
TY for this !
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
August 31 2011 22:39 GMT
#164
Wow i did not realise BW players earnt that much money, that is actually insane.
go stats! (i wonder how much flash is on)
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reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
August 31 2011 22:50 GMT
#165
A lot of good news about KT, which isn't surprising since they just won the PL finals.

Jae Gyung's commentary is reassuring. Even if BW shrinks in size, I think it will be around for a while.
HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
August 31 2011 23:09 GMT
#166
This is some decent news but the problem is, scbw in Korea is the only place where it exists, the game it self is way outdated and the market has no where to go but down due to it only existing in one place in the world. So as this is better news for KT fans, unfortunately as time goes on it will get worse and worse until it is no more which is sad because scbw is so entertaining to watch and the story lines behind pro league matches as well as OSL or an MSL are so full of excitement. Regardless, thanks for posting the article.
SlayerS Fighting!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
August 31 2011 23:10 GMT
#167
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Svennedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium86 Posts
August 31 2011 23:23 GMT
#168
Chin toss getting a chin surgery I lol'd xD
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
August 31 2011 23:29 GMT
#169
good good. this makes me feel a lot better
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-31 23:35:57
August 31 2011 23:33 GMT
#170
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
LEGAsee
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
August 31 2011 23:39 GMT
#171
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.
Brood War has been a part of our lives for the last 12 years. No, we don't want change.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
August 31 2011 23:44 GMT
#172
On September 01 2011 08:39 LEGAsee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.

The Dong will not go to any of the other TBLS teams.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 31 2011 23:47 GMT
#173
On September 01 2011 08:39 LEGAsee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.


For 100k?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 00:00:14
August 31 2011 23:58 GMT
#174
On September 01 2011 08:09 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:
This is some decent news but the problem is, scbw in Korea is the only place where it exists, the game it self is way outdated and the market has no where to go but down due to it only existing in one place in the world. So as this is better news for KT fans, unfortunately as time goes on it will get worse and worse until it is no more which is sad because scbw is so entertaining to watch and the story lines behind pro league matches as well as OSL or an MSL are so full of excitement. Regardless, thanks for posting the article.


China's where it's at. Got cockblocked by the hurricane typhoon once, but it's on a positive trend.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
September 01 2011 00:11 GMT
#175
On September 01 2011 08:58 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:09 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:
This is some decent news but the problem is, scbw in Korea is the only place where it exists, the game it self is way outdated and the market has no where to go but down due to it only existing in one place in the world. So as this is better news for KT fans, unfortunately as time goes on it will get worse and worse until it is no more which is sad because scbw is so entertaining to watch and the story lines behind pro league matches as well as OSL or an MSL are so full of excitement. Regardless, thanks for posting the article.


China's where it's at. Got cockblocked by the hurricane typhoon once, but it's on a positive trend.


I don't think it's realistic that BW gets huge e-sports dollars in the west, but I think it could pretty easily grow to 5-10 times its current size if the BW community shilled it a little harder and sponsored more tournaments and advertised them outside the BW section of TL.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
September 01 2011 00:12 GMT
#176
On September 01 2011 08:58 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:09 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:
This is some decent news but the problem is, scbw in Korea is the only place where it exists, the game it self is way outdated and the market has no where to go but down due to it only existing in one place in the world. So as this is better news for KT fans, unfortunately as time goes on it will get worse and worse until it is no more which is sad because scbw is so entertaining to watch and the story lines behind pro league matches as well as OSL or an MSL are so full of excitement. Regardless, thanks for posting the article.


China's where it's at. Got cockblocked by the hurricane typhoon once, but it's on a positive trend.

China's too enamored of WC3 and DotA to care much about SCBW. I can't fault them for it either. WC3's fucking amazing, and I'm glad it still exists somewhere in the world (similar to Korea and SCBW, really). I'll go ahead and admit that I could definitely live without DotA, though.
Logginurkeyz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States375 Posts
September 01 2011 00:41 GMT
#177
Excellent summaries- I'll have to go and see what words I know from the articles a bit later, should be fun!
Light bein a total baller
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
September 01 2011 00:48 GMT
#178
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


Because:

Stats

Fucking

OWNS
Remember Violet.
Kalent
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada253 Posts
September 01 2011 00:51 GMT
#179
On September 01 2011 08:44 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:39 LEGAsee wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.

The Dong will not go to any of the other TBLS teams.


I think it'd be okay for him to go to Khan, because Stork is slumping (As usual, but he slumps a lot) and KHAN needs a zerg. It wouldn't be imbalanced at all, it may even balance the teams more.
If Jaedong does go to KHAN though, STX would need a few more consistent and solid players for a proper 1-2 punch with Bogus.
Korean-Canadian who spends way too much time on Afreeca
LEGAsee
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
September 01 2011 01:05 GMT
#180
On September 01 2011 08:44 Ryo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:39 LEGAsee wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.

The Dong will not go to any of the other TBLS teams.


is this a fact or accurate speculation?
Brood War has been a part of our lives for the last 12 years. No, we don't want change.
ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1688 Posts
September 01 2011 01:05 GMT
#181
How can Stat's awesome input for this season possibly be denied? He deserves this pay rise, and I hope he can be even more instrumental next season.
EleGant[AoV]
LEGAsee
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
September 01 2011 01:06 GMT
#182
On September 01 2011 08:47 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:39 LEGAsee wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.


For 100k?


Oh, yeah, Jaedong worth more than 100k, I was just saying that the raise could be better put toward acquiring someone of J's caliber.
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
September 01 2011 01:15 GMT
#183
I suddenly feel so pumped. After all these bad news, Mantoss muscles are bigger and shinier than ever.

Thank you very much for this thread.
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fishbowl
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1575 Posts
September 01 2011 01:25 GMT
#184
Thanks a lot for the news. Good to see some positive news for the BW scene. Sad to hear about Light Girl though . Hope that she pulls through.
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
September 01 2011 01:26 GMT
#185
Long live BW
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
skiptomylou1231
Profile Joined January 2011
United States63 Posts
September 01 2011 01:27 GMT
#186
It's really good to see some good news about the BW scene for a change especially the news about Light, that's pretty amazing.
Plaaguu
Profile Joined April 2009
United States406 Posts
September 01 2011 01:32 GMT
#187
Man, KT resigning Violet is so awesome. The support they've shown him this whole time is just heartwarming. Violet get well soon!
MiraKul
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Malaysia498 Posts
September 01 2011 01:37 GMT
#188
thanks for the thread. do update it regulary. Bookmarked the thread ^^
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
September 01 2011 02:25 GMT
#189
On September 01 2011 09:12 babylon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:58 bearbuddy wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:09 HEROwithNOlegacy wrote:
This is some decent news but the problem is, scbw in Korea is the only place where it exists, the game it self is way outdated and the market has no where to go but down due to it only existing in one place in the world. So as this is better news for KT fans, unfortunately as time goes on it will get worse and worse until it is no more which is sad because scbw is so entertaining to watch and the story lines behind pro league matches as well as OSL or an MSL are so full of excitement. Regardless, thanks for posting the article.


China's where it's at. Got cockblocked by the hurricane typhoon once, but it's on a positive trend.

China's too enamored of WC3 and DotA to care much about SCBW. I can't fault them for it either. WC3's fucking amazing, and I'm glad it still exists somewhere in the world (similar to Korea and SCBW, really). I'll go ahead and admit that I could definitely live without DotA, though.


But China's a big market regardless and there are enough BW fans. It's like saying Americans care too much about baseball/basketball/football to care about Hockey, when there is a sizable hockey fanbase.

Now, what's more in question is their purchasing power.
Meh
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
September 01 2011 02:29 GMT
#190
On September 01 2011 03:47 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 01:43 baubo wrote:
On September 01 2011 01:26 Qaatar wrote:
On September 01 2011 00:53 baubo wrote:
So basically SKT1 and KT are like the Red Sox and the Yankees. And Fox/Oz/MBC are like the Royals/Devil Rays/Pirates. Except the revenue disparity is even higher and there's no revenue sharing or other ways for lesser teams to make ends meet.

I know this is suppose to be an upbeat thread, so sorry to be debbie downer here.


At this point in time, who gives a shit about the structure of the league when even the league itself was in question? I think most of us will take all the good news that we can get right about now.


Let's put it this way.

1. There's a lot of fans who care about BW(high ratings)
2. There's a lot of money in BW(high player salary)
3. There's a lot of players in BW(best RTS players in the entire world)
4. THere's a lot of infrastructure in BW(2 cable channels

So why is it that half the league is saying "Screw this. Forget it"?

KT can give Stats a 100% raise. Yet Hwaseung thinks a team with Jaedong on it is not worth sponsoring. Do you not see the problem here?


maybe just maybe the problem is not with BW and its scene? Financial crisis got to Korea and its time to cut corners? Just guessing.


*facepalms*

There is a reason why I posted what I posted on this thread. So far everything has been gloom and doom. But this thread shows that despite enviromental conditions, whatever they may be, some people are living it up very well. You don't give players 100% payraise if you're suffering from economic crisis. You don't resign a player who hasn't even been part of your team for a while because you have no money. You don't give your star player more than the combined salaries of player #2 and #3 in the sport if you have no money.

Yes, if it's a case of everyone having no money, it would be one thing. But the rich obviously are rolling in money with huge salary bumps.
Meh
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 01 2011 02:33 GMT
#191
Thank you for this thread!
Uplifting threads are always a nice change of pace from the gloomy and hack n' slash headlines that seem to draw people's attention so much better T_T
Hey! Listen!
RezChi
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada2368 Posts
September 01 2011 02:50 GMT
#192
Light girl fighting! You can do it!
rUiNati0n
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1155 Posts
September 01 2011 03:20 GMT
#193
I hope Light girl and Violet manage to get better with all this support they are getting.
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Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
September 01 2011 04:23 GMT
#194
I need to find a player with my blood type and become his (or her) biggest fan just in case I need a surgery.

I kid, I kid, but so great of Light to do what he did. <3
Starleague Forever. RIP KT Violet~
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
September 01 2011 04:30 GMT
#195
On September 01 2011 13:23 Mobius_1 wrote:
I need to find a player with my blood type and become his (or her) biggest fan just in case I need a surgery.

I kid, I kid, but so great of Light to do what he did. <3

She is fighting for her life. Your joke is very inappropriate.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Rhaegar99
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Australia1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 04:58:27
September 01 2011 04:57 GMT
#196
On September 01 2011 10:05 LEGAsee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:44 Ryo wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:39 LEGAsee wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.

The Dong will not go to any of the other TBLS teams.


is this a fact or accurate speculation?


I believe from the last FA thing he stated that he wouldn't leave his team for any price unless he wasn't resigned. Something along those lines.

On September 01 2011 08:47 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:39 LEGAsee wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.


For 100k?


Hes getting paid more than 100k
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 05:42:55
September 01 2011 05:42 GMT
#197
It's so nice to read happy or at least not sad news ^_^
Thank you OpticalShot I miss some of these things amid trying to keep up with two games and my life. It's so refreshing to not read any negatively oriented news.
(Except Light Girl who I obviously hope the best for )
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kankn
Profile Joined September 2011
China3 Posts
September 01 2011 06:44 GMT
#198
--- Nuked ---
Menzies
Profile Joined February 2011
New Zealand129 Posts
September 01 2011 07:26 GMT
#199
:D :D :D!! Finally to read some good news best wishes to all of them!!
Never ever ever give up. Impossible is nothing
jfourz
Profile Joined August 2009
Ireland421 Posts
September 01 2011 08:23 GMT
#200
nice to see violet recovering
it is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. that is true, it's called life.
pylonsalad
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada649 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 09:15:46
September 01 2011 09:15 GMT
#201
so much surgery in bw

(T)Light girl fighting. (T)Light, win the next OSL for her.
sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
September 01 2011 09:23 GMT
#202
Thanks a lot for this round-up of awesome.
Good threads are hard to come by in BW lately :\
With all the bad news something good has to happen soon.
Will look forward to more of these threads
I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style.
tanggehot
Profile Joined July 2011
China26 Posts
September 01 2011 09:26 GMT
#203
it sounds very encouraging~~~~~~~
En Taro Tassadar~~~~~~~~~~~~~
fallingdream
Profile Joined December 2004
Romania452 Posts
September 01 2011 10:31 GMT
#204
Reading about Violet getting resigned just fills me up with warm and fuzzy feelings .
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
September 01 2011 10:56 GMT
#205
Fenix should have sent a marine to the watchtower after winning the fight he doesnt know about the gold of zerg yet.
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-01 11:00:45
September 01 2011 11:00 GMT
#206
edit: wrong thread.
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
September 01 2011 13:21 GMT
#207
if you realised most of the news are mostly about KT stuff ._. hope light girl gets well though, light needs her support ^^
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
Garaman
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States556 Posts
September 01 2011 13:27 GMT
#208
Ahh light =)

I'd love it if stars picked up Jaedong =)

But I want him to go to Samsung, teach Stork and Jangbi the ways of P v Z >_<

Some good news, more bad news, I hope BW continues to steam on~~
LEGAsee
Profile Joined January 2010
170 Posts
September 01 2011 14:09 GMT
#209
On September 01 2011 13:57 Rhaegar99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 10:05 LEGAsee wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:44 Ryo wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:39 LEGAsee wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.

The Dong will not go to any of the other TBLS teams.


is this a fact or accurate speculation?


I believe from the last FA thing he stated that he wouldn't leave his team for any price unless he wasn't resigned. Something along those lines.

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2011 08:47 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:39 LEGAsee wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:33 GolemMadness wrote:
On September 01 2011 08:10 Zona wrote:
100k for Stats? I suppose it's more of a reward than anything?

If KT were to offer 100k to players that are likely to be displaced they could probably snag someone a lot more skilled.

Still, despite the gloom around some teams, it's nice to know that at least a few teams are fully committed. I wonder if any coaches are going to get fired, though.


48 wins, including 6 straight to finish the playoffs. Who are they going to get that's better?

The Dong.


For 100k?


Hes getting paid more than 100k

But he isn't going to be re-signed since his team is disbanding =/.
Brood War has been a part of our lives for the last 12 years. No, we don't want change.
fishyjoes
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Germany644 Posts
September 01 2011 14:18 GMT
#210
very cool post. it keeps me up with BW news. thanks for that OpticalShot!
infinite fun: http://dagobah.biz/flash/loituma.swf
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
September 01 2011 14:18 GMT
#211
It would be so awesome to read Reach's translated interview
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
September 01 2011 15:50 GMT
#212
Thanks for all this info, this is indeed mostly bright news, except for the poor Light girl, I hope she can recover speedily, that's a harsh bit of treatment.

Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
September 02 2011 02:19 GMT
#213
Wow light girl 0.o. Being cute gets you a lot of kudos.
BlueFlames
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1756 Posts
September 02 2011 13:38 GMT
#214
I dont know this lightgirl, but i have to admire her dedication. She is in a tough time right now, so i hope she can get better and will be able to cheer for her favorvite player once again. The news about her makes me actually sad, and i hope she will get better. Normally i only say this for players or people i like but, LightGirl hwaitiiing. Get better girl!
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
September 03 2011 11:20 GMT
#215
Any gossip about who would be interested in buying the 3in1 team?
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 04 2011 06:04 GMT
#216
With Flash getting surgery on the 19th, will he still be able to play in the MSL?
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10340 Posts
September 04 2011 07:15 GMT
#217
On September 04 2011 15:04 GolemMadness wrote:
With Flash getting surgery on the 19th, will he still be able to play in the MSL?


i think yes, they said he will be ready for next season? not sure which season they mean tho
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
September 04 2011 08:22 GMT
#218
Not sure if this has been said before or not, but after watching Nal_ra's old boy, are there any updates on him? Is he still in the army?
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
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