Keep any SC2 vs BW comments out of this thread. This is a thread about Brood War and Esports (Tekken Crash, Special Forces, etc) in general. If you discuss what this means for ESPORTS be sensitive about it.
On July 28 2011 00:19 Masheyoon wrote: And before Effort returns, no less...
Seems like only yesterday when we had all of this to look forward to in a single year:
WCG Korea WCG GOM MSL OSL PL/WL
I'm trying to be as optimistic as possible, but with the way the "Nothing has been decided yet" article was worded, along with the reported twitter comments by the commentators... I just don't know.
BW fighting~
ah i cant believe i used to think that it was too much BW back then...
i wish i could feel that way again now ;<
I hear ya. That's how I feel about SC2 now though, haha. There's so much going on, and sometimes I feel like I'm drowning in it. I REALLY wish there was a BW Calendar or something, even as plain as it would be. TT
On July 27 2011 23:00 Chargelot wrote: Can someone please explain exactly why this would be bad for SC2? It seems to me that -- NO DISRESPECT INTENDED -- a failing company who casts ancient games (good though they may be) is switching up its broadcasting style to prevent bankruptcy.
It's like saying the Windows 98 Offical Fan Club is closing down, and this is absolutely horrible for Windows 7 users.
Seriously, no disrespect intended, it just really looks like that is what people are saying. It's not as simple as "Well E-Sports is E-Sports." If SC2 isn't broadcasted on this channel, it will not effect it? Is there any reasonable explanation as to why it would? I'm thinking it over again and again, and I don't discredit any of you, I believe I MUST be missing SOMETHING.
It is an indicator that esports might not be as viable as we think it is.
That a station that held up half of broodwars and several other esports, and had better ratings than it's sc2 equivalent, believes that it is more viable to switch it's focus to kpop, indicates that esports itself might not be viable, and that the position of any station promoting esports might not be as economically stable as we like.
I have to respectfully disagree. It means they believe their current lineup of E-Sports may be failing, and that it is more reasonable to change their broadcasting genre than to edit their lineup.
League of Legends got something ridiculous, in the neighborhood of 2.2M unique viewers at DreamHack Summer (A very high number, insanely large, was concurrent).
SC2 Got a few hundred thousand, running well over 80,000 concurrent for most of the final day.
I think a station playing more modernized E-Sports games could do very well. Maybe not in the Korean market, but like I've mentioned, BW is the only game in which Korea remains the E-Sports capital of the world.
An American company -- lets say G4 -- could do very well by broadcasting modern E-Sports games.
Broadcasting modern esports on American television is not going to work, I'm sorry.
1.) Gaming as a profession is not socially accepted like it is in Korea. Like the TL staff member said earlier, BW is on two primetime cable channels that everyone has access to - everyone from infants to the elderly know what Brood War is.
2.) The hardware and money required to broadcast to the 3rd largest country in the world is nothing short of staggering. CGS tried this on DirecTV. Failed miserably. USA Network played a couple of MLG highlight programs a few times throughout the year. They were also broadcasted at like 9:00 A.M.
3.) Like many have already said, a lot of us don't watch TV more than an hour a week. If Esports was to be viable outside of Korea, it would have to be through internet streaming such as ESPN3.
Although I like your optimism, you will never see an American TV channel dedicated to Starcraft 2. Broadcasting television is not that simple my fellow SC fan. "Never" is a strong word, but in America, the medium of the future is through internet broadcasting.
MBCGame should just stream their stuff, you can make money off streaming and it takes away from the hassle of someone using afreeca proxies just for us to watch.
What we need now probably is someone like Boxer, one who can convince corporate to invest (reinvest in this case, which is no doubt exponentially harder), one who can lead the scene and one who can devote his life into BW.
On July 27 2011 23:00 Chargelot wrote: Can someone please explain exactly why this would be bad for SC2? It seems to me that -- NO DISRESPECT INTENDED -- a failing company who casts ancient games (good though they may be) is switching up its broadcasting style to prevent bankruptcy.
It's like saying the Windows 98 Offical Fan Club is closing down, and this is absolutely horrible for Windows 7 users.
Seriously, no disrespect intended, it just really looks like that is what people are saying. It's not as simple as "Well E-Sports is E-Sports." If SC2 isn't broadcasted on this channel, it will not effect it? Is there any reasonable explanation as to why it would? I'm thinking it over again and again, and I don't discredit any of you, I believe I MUST be missing SOMETHING.
It is an indicator that esports might not be as viable as we think it is.
That a station that held up half of broodwars and several other esports, and had better ratings than it's sc2 equivalent, believes that it is more viable to switch it's focus to kpop, indicates that esports itself might not be viable, and that the position of any station promoting esports might not be as economically stable as we like.
I have to respectfully disagree. It means they believe their current lineup of E-Sports may be failing, and that it is more reasonable to change their broadcasting genre than to edit their lineup.
League of Legends got something ridiculous, in the neighborhood of 2.2M unique viewers at DreamHack Summer (A very high number, insanely large, was concurrent).
SC2 Got a few hundred thousand, running well over 80,000 concurrent for most of the final day.
I think a station playing more modernized E-Sports games could do very well. Maybe not in the Korean market, but like I've mentioned, BW is the only game in which Korea remains the E-Sports capital of the world.
An American company -- lets say G4 -- could do very well by broadcasting modern E-Sports games.
Broadcasting modern esports on American television is not going to work, I'm sorry.
1.) Gaming as a profession is not socially accepted like it is in Korea. Like the TL staff member said earlier, BW is on two primetime cable channels that everyone has access to - everyone from infants to the elderly know what Brood War is.
2.) The hardware and money required to broadcast to the 3rd largest country in the world is nothing short of staggering. CGS tried this on DirecTV. Failed miserably. USA Network played a couple of MLG highlight programs a few times throughout the year. They were also broadcasted at like 9:00 A.M.
3.) Like many have already said, a lot of us don't watch TV more than an hour a week. If Esports was to be viable outside of Korea, it would have to be through internet streaming such as ESPN3.
Although I like your optimism, you will never see an American TV channel dedicated to Starcraft 2. Broadcasting television is not that simple my fellow SC fan. "Never" is a strong word, but in America, the medium of the future is through internet broadcasting.
Also dont forget that a lot of games are about killing eachother in mass quantities. That generally isn't a family friendly sort of thing.
this sux hard... hope it wont be the end of BW... best game evah made and it could probably still be played for decades or centuries without getting boring or outdated >_<;
Basically, the management is still discussing this. They haven't made a decision whether or not to proceed with this. Even if they decide to proceed, they still have to seek the approval of the Korean Communications Commission (govt body) if they want to change the gaming channel into a music channel.
best news I've seen in this otherwise heart breaking thread