EPTHopefully the fact that this isn't finalized will mean there is some hope, but given the track record of similar things happening with North American TV companies, this doesn't seem very hopeful.
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Freak705
Canada231 Posts
Hopefully the fact that this isn't finalized will mean there is some hope, but given the track record of similar things happening with North American TV companies, this doesn't seem very hopeful. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
But then I assumed it was the MBCGame HERO so I was like, man this is terrible, why would HERO disband?  Then it ended up being much worse news...At least if it was HERO, the players could go somewhere. >_< This sucks. | ||
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On July 27 2011 22:54 mansa wrote: To me its the present. I've recently just played BW after being introduced to SCII. And I want BW to live longer! Fuck yeah !  | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On July 27 2011 22:35 OPL3SA2 wrote: You kind of contradicted yourself here my friend While I agree that BW needed no changes by itself, you pointed to golf as an example of a game that needs no change. When in fact, it has been changed radically by both new technology & equipment as well as minor changes in tournament rules and regulations. The poster here was trying to argue that e-sports is fundamentally different than traditional sports. In catering almost solely to a young crowd, it's got to reinvent itself from time to time. Some people would argue that sc2 is that reinvention while traditionalists don't even recognize it. For me, my complaints about bw are petty and simple; i can't rally workers to minerals and bind groups over 12 units deep. For BW players, their complaints are simple: you can't put lipstick on a pig (they have a hard time describing their grievances and usually stick to summary). This would have been a better situation if blizzard had instead of making a whole new game simply never stopped patching SC:BW until it satisfied everyone's needs. (but patches are free and new games are sources of revenue) Of course you got people like my grandfather who cannot believe they allow metal-alloy clubs instead of wooden ones, when changes are implemented slowly they have time to be fleshed out and they can stay or fall by their own individual merits. The big issue here is Starcraft losing ground in any capacity. Golf wouldn't be where it is today if there were golf 1.0 and golf 2.0, each complete with their separate set of players, rules, equipment and fans. We need to come together as fans of starcraft to mourn the loss of a league like MBC, and figure out what we can do as a community to prevent additional slippage. I'll watch a little more ongamenet, and you guys maybe watch a little more gomtv, and maybe together we can hold ground. On the one hand I thought e-sports was growing, and then I see this and I scratch my head - what's going on? Now let's see we take the game of golf and the new technologies and say so probably a little change of rules has it really radically change the game in a whole new level . Yes probably metal woods are always argued to be the better choice but if given to jack nicklaus when he was young he would make your turn and shock in awe because it's not logical that a person is able to use a driver made of wood to tee off 300 yards which is the common the yardage for any average tour pro out there . Although if we take dustin johnson and the other players hell they will be probably bombing out 340 yards easily .In any case has golf change probably according to fit the demanding needs of the pro these days longer courses , trap bunkers guarding the green and yes but not least greens that if you do not hit at a certain point of the green it probably rolled down 30 yards back down the green . Do you see Sc2 accommodating itself to be competitive in it's own way or probably like any game creating company trying to cash on it's previous generated flagship. Now does that tell you anything the concept is the same players change equipment do change but has golf totally not become golf as it is are there additional rules such as hit a ball and than do a silly dance such as that ? . Let me take a word from Tom watson on his thoughts about the latest grips and club he naturally is a person who is much more of a traditionalist and refuse to change any part of the game except the improvement of drivers . Hence he is using normal grip compared to the various ENHANCED grip out there in the market now days . Golf 1.0 and 2.0 still are out there on the contrary depending on the individual some would probably use what you call obsolete swings compared to now golf 2.0 modern swing to get the job done . What ever it take's to get the job done it is still golf . I don't see a problem at all in your grandfather opinion about the changes from wood to alloy because after all its the USPGA right to do so and the guys at there aren't some scrubs who will change dramatically and radically as you said . Hence there is no enforcement to the rules that you can't use woods to tee off or any alloy nobody is going to stop you after all it's just a game and I beg your pardon golf wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for great players like jack nicklaus,ben hogan, gary player and arnold palmer for making the game so interesting and attractive to the common people without them do people even care about the game of the golf if the players weren't there . Never the less the concept is still the same why do we need a massive overhaul in terms of mechanics to achieve the target we want after all it has been since 1998 that we have already been customized to such difficulty and boy although it was hard it was fun playing it . How much do you hope that the blizzard in the old days were to do as you say i can bet you it will be broke as sc2 as it is and won't even be in the glorious form we are all reaping from till today . We stick to what is comfortable and do not impose any sort of opinion to others . | ||
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Neo7
United States922 Posts
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
It's like saying the Windows 98 Offical Fan Club is closing down, and this is absolutely horrible for Windows 7 users. Seriously, no disrespect intended, it just really looks like that is what people are saying. It's not as simple as "Well E-Sports is E-Sports." If SC2 isn't broadcasted on this channel, it will not effect it? Is there any reasonable explanation as to why it would? I'm thinking it over again and again, and I don't discredit any of you, I believe I MUST be missing SOMETHING. | ||
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vectorix108
United States4633 Posts
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
On July 27 2011 23:00 Chargelot wrote: Can someone please explain exactly why this would be bad for SC2? It seems to me that -- NO DISRESPECT INTENDED -- a failing company who casts ancient games (good though they may be) is switching up its broadcasting style to prevent bankruptcy. It's like saying the Windows 98 Offical Fan Club is closing down, and this is absolutely horrible for Windows 7 users. Seriously, no disrespect intended, it just really looks like that is what people are saying. It's not as simple as "Well E-Sports is E-Sports." If SC2 isn't broadcasted on this channel, it will not effect it? Is there any reasonable explanation as to why it would? I'm thinking it over again and again, and I don't discredit any of you, I believe I MUST be missing SOMETHING. If the previous more popular incarnation declines, it implies that the more recent version might not do well in Korea either (given that there's no indication yet that fans have actually been switching completely in large numbers from 1 to 2). | ||
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Aylear
Norway3988 Posts
So many good times. So much history, so much greatness, so much drama and storytelling. | ||
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Freak705
Canada231 Posts
On July 27 2011 23:00 Chargelot wrote: Can someone please explain exactly why this would be bad for SC2? It seems to me that -- NO DISRESPECT INTENDED -- a failing company who casts ancient games (good though they may be) is switching up its broadcasting style to prevent bankruptcy. It's like saying the Windows 98 Offical Fan Club is closing down, and this is absolutely horrible for Windows 7 users. Seriously, no disrespect intended, it just really looks like that is what people are saying. It's not as simple as "Well E-Sports is E-Sports." If SC2 isn't broadcasted on this channel, it will not effect it? Is there any reasonable explanation as to why it would? I'm thinking it over again and again, and I don't discredit any of you, I believe I MUST be missing SOMETHING. If a channel dedicated to eSports becomes a channel no longer dedicated to eSports, there is one less potential channel to broadcast SC2, should that decision ever be made. Gom's licence to broadcast SC2 exclusively will not last forever. Also, this: On July 27 2011 23:02 Redmark wrote: If the previous more popular incarnation declines, it implies that the more recent version might not do well in Korea either (given that there's no indication yet that fans have actually been switching completely in large numbers from 1 to 2). | ||
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
Jaedong needs to win this last one! | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On July 27 2011 23:02 Redmark wrote: If the previous more popular incarnation declines, it implies that the more recent version might not do well in Korea either (given that there's no indication yet that fans have actually been switching completely in large numbers from 1 to 2). SC2 is already a major hit. Around the world. Korea has GSL, which isn't as large as BW was in Korea, but Korea isn't the E-Sports center of the world anymore -- that only applies to BW now. | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On July 27 2011 23:00 Chargelot wrote: Can someone please explain exactly why this would be bad for SC2? It seems to me that -- NO DISRESPECT INTENDED -- a failing company who casts ancient games (good though they may be) is switching up its broadcasting style to prevent bankruptcy. It's like saying the Windows 98 Offical Fan Club is closing down, and this is absolutely horrible for Windows 7 users. Seriously, no disrespect intended, it just really looks like that is what people are saying. It's not as simple as "Well E-Sports is E-Sports." If SC2 isn't broadcasted on this channel, it will not effect it? Is there any reasonable explanation as to why it would? I'm thinking it over again and again, and I don't discredit any of you, I believe I MUST be missing SOMETHING. It is an indicator that esports might not be as viable as we think it is. That a station that held up half of broodwars and several other esports, and had better ratings than it's sc2 equivalent, believes that it is more viable to switch it's focus to kpop, indicates that esports itself might not be viable, and that the position of any station promoting esports might not be as economically stable as we like. | ||
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Hieros
United States83 Posts
On July 27 2011 23:00 Chargelot wrote: Can someone please explain exactly why this would be bad for SC2? It seems to me that -- NO DISRESPECT INTENDED -- a failing company who casts ancient games (good though they may be) is switching up its broadcasting style to prevent bankruptcy. It's like saying the Windows 98 Offical Fan Club is closing down, and this is absolutely horrible for Windows 7 users. Seriously, no disrespect intended, it just really looks like that is what people are saying. It's not as simple as "Well E-Sports is E-Sports." If SC2 isn't broadcasted on this channel, it will not effect it? Is there any reasonable explanation as to why it would? I'm thinking it over again and again, and I don't discredit any of you, I believe I MUST be missing SOMETHING. MBC was a constant source of quality e-Sports programming, and whatever grievances one might have about certain aspects of the tournament structures, the team structures, etc., functions as a community hub and taking online gaming seriously and providing an outlet for dedication. Thus, one potential effect, though it is mere hypothesizing on my part (but what I believe Milkis was suggesting), is that its shutting down may have negative externalities on all related games, e.g. SC2. But I exhort you, as many in this thread have noted, to consider that this may not be the time or place to really delve into this. | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
On July 27 2011 22:55 Hieros wrote: 1) I agree that the decline in coverage and activity is very sad. 2) Please try to remember, though I understand the source of your frustration, that many people are dedicated fans of both games, so the us and them mentality, admitting that fans of either game are not always articulate, mature, or thoughtful in expressing their views, is a bit of a false dichotomy. Hey, it's fine if they are. I just want it easier for each side to find what they want because it may not even be an "us and them" but the fact remains that there's a large majority on both sides who could give a crap less about the other game. Hell, there's already something very similar for SCII fans here - http://www.teamliquid.net/sc2/ I'm just talking about having it separated for cleanliness and ease of access. It's not like SCII people couldn't click the tl.bw tab and find these same threads and pull those same posts, it'd just be less likely and I think I'm not the only one who would appreciate a separate calendar, among other things. | ||
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RatInPink
Sweden41 Posts
fist have a crappy day at work and then come home to this | ||
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hitthat
Poland2300 Posts
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Essbee
Canada2371 Posts
On July 27 2011 23:05 TheGlassface wrote: Hey, it's fine if they are. I just want it easier for each side to find what they want because it may not even be an "us and them" but the fact remains that there's a large majority on both sides who could give a crap less about the other game. Hell, there's already something very similar for SCII fans here - http://www.teamliquid.net/sc2/ I'm just talking about having it separated for cleanliness and ease of access. It's not like SCII people couldn't click the tl.bw tab and find these same threads and pull those same posts, it'd just be less likely and I think I'm not the only one who would appreciate a separate calendar, among other things. +1 for calendar | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
wait for it IT IS KILLING E-SPORTSSSSS. This is like the one time its relevant to say this. | ||
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