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Keep any SC2 vs BW comments out of this thread. This is a thread about Brood War and Esports (Tekken Crash, Special Forces, etc) in general. If you discuss what this means for ESPORTS be sensitive about it.
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 13:23:36
July 27 2011 13:22 GMT
#941
Fomos reports nothing is for certain yet. MBC Game released a statement regarding it and says that TIG was too quick to release it since it's not 100% certain yet.

Basically MBC Game says that the decision isn't finalized yet.
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
July 27 2011 13:23 GMT
#942
My deepest condolences:- To the company, to the BW players and most of all to us fans.

I have no doubt that many will shed a tear at this. Let's hope that somewhere down the line, MBC will return to its gaming roots.
TheYellowOne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States97 Posts
July 27 2011 13:25 GMT
#943
do ppl even understand that this isnt just about sc2 vs bw? mbcgame is a video game channel not just bw, that means this is a loss for esports as a whole no matter how ppl want to put it
what
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 27 2011 13:25 GMT
#944
On July 27 2011 22:22 Milkis wrote:
Fomos reports nothing is for certain yet. MBC Game released a statement regarding it and says that TIG was too quick to release it since it's not 100% certain yet.

Basically MBC Game says that the decision isn't finalized yet.


Hopefully they did this sort of pre-release of information to gauge what the response would be if they actually went through with it. I can't imagine this going over very well in korea.
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King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
July 27 2011 13:29 GMT
#945
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soujiro_
Profile Joined June 2010
Uruguay5195 Posts
July 27 2011 13:30 GMT
#946
this cant be true =\
ace hwaiting!!
Lankeer
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
July 27 2011 13:32 GMT
#947
I predominantly watch sc2 but have recently seen a few BW games and I can see why you guys like it so much. It's a fantastic game that we should all respect very much, and I hope that MBC make the right decision.
Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
July 27 2011 13:32 GMT
#948
Why do they have to shut down T_T. Can't they just scale back?
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 13:32:46
July 27 2011 13:32 GMT
#949
On July 27 2011 22:30 soujiro_ wrote:
this cant be true =\

and its not
Hold your tears until official announcement, and support BW like you used to instead!
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
RenardDesMers
Profile Joined April 2011
France76 Posts
July 27 2011 13:32 GMT
#950
The question is now about how healthy is the esports economy right now in Korea.

We saw that in SC2, teams feel the urge to go abroad to get more money ( probably mostly because there's only one league and it's so difficult to get into code S).

Now that BW has only one league, there might be a problem there too as teams will basically compete for less money than they had before.
Also, the fact that MBCGame dies could show the popularity goes down for BW.

Bad stuff for BW anyway
TheOnly92
Profile Joined September 2010
Malaysia804 Posts
July 27 2011 13:32 GMT
#951
On July 27 2011 22:25 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 22:22 Milkis wrote:
Fomos reports nothing is for certain yet. MBC Game released a statement regarding it and says that TIG was too quick to release it since it's not 100% certain yet.

Basically MBC Game says that the decision isn't finalized yet.


Hopefully they did this sort of pre-release of information to gauge what the response would be if they actually went through with it. I can't imagine this going over very well in korea.


Well, I believe they're already getting it, now what? Are they gonna stop the plan because a lot of people are against it?
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
July 27 2011 13:33 GMT
#952
This may be the start of the end for SCBW. We will see a bigger influx of progamers switch from BW to SC2 next month (August) when a lot of players become free agents (now that MBC is not gonna be promoting BW anymore, the mid level/low level progamers will definitely have a bigger incentive to switch over to something else)

Bad news for SC:BW but I think this may be good news for SC2.Let's see how things turn out.

Nevertheless, its gonna become a music channel!?!wtf? O_o
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AugustDreams
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia127 Posts
July 27 2011 13:34 GMT
#953
I haven't even heard of MBCGame before :S. I shall read up on it so I can be outraged as well lol.
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OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
July 27 2011 13:35 GMT
#954
On July 27 2011 21:21 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 21:12 Cade)Flayer wrote:
This I think is a symptom of a general issue with esports as a thing compared to traditional sports like football or tennis. Traditional sports stay roughly the same with technological improvements that get added into the game but don't change the fundamental aspect while with esports eventually a game will become outdated graphically. BW as is could well last another 10 years but to create a truly timeless esport they need to at some points introduce upgrades to the game so that younger generations will consider watching as newcomers.


Oh so your argument is okay old game pretty boring lets change the rules in chess and probably even new more pieces to make it more interesting for the new generation . Sure everything is done needs to go with time that argument is pretty farce in my opinion are you trying to say that anything that has work before and tried has to be washed down the drain just to accommodate to the markets these days . Especially the ADD generation ? I don't think so traditional sport such as golf itself retain its competitiveness despite there being new technology to get the ball more higher , to cut the slice, to make sure your drive gets 30 yards more longer . Has the game change ??? I don't think so why does it have to change for broodwar ? For people are not willing to put in time to get better to enjoy a game that what is needed is much more time and understanding ? .

Bw itself it's sport it demands that you have a strong mentality that you are able to win against no matter what is the odd is laid in front of you . You have to have strong nerve because if you don't you are surely probably will gg the first time you are played upon crowds of fan and pressure in front of you . In other words no we don't have to water down the already needed requirements for bw to be a game to reach masses and if you want to do so . Please kindly go to another rts game made by blizzard just recently released .


You kind of contradicted yourself here my friend
While I agree that BW needed no changes by itself, you pointed to golf as an example of a game that needs no change. When in fact, it has been changed radically by both new technology & equipment as well as minor changes in tournament rules and regulations.

The poster here was trying to argue that e-sports is fundamentally different than traditional sports. In catering almost solely to a young crowd, it's got to reinvent itself from time to time. Some people would argue that sc2 is that reinvention while traditionalists don't even recognize it.

For me, my complaints about bw are petty and simple; i can't rally workers to minerals and bind groups over 12 units deep. For BW players, their complaints are simple: you can't put lipstick on a pig (they have a hard time describing their grievances and usually stick to summary).

This would have been a better situation if blizzard had instead of making a whole new game simply never stopped patching SC:BW until it satisfied everyone's needs. (but patches are free and new games are sources of revenue) Of course you got people like my grandfather who cannot believe they allow metal-alloy clubs instead of wooden ones, when changes are implemented slowly they have time to be fleshed out and they can stay or fall by their own individual merits.

The big issue here is Starcraft losing ground in any capacity. Golf wouldn't be where it is today if there were golf 1.0 and golf 2.0, each complete with their separate set of players, rules, equipment and fans. We need to come together as fans of starcraft to mourn the loss of a league like MBC, and figure out what we can do as a community to prevent additional slippage.

I'll watch a little more ongamenet, and you guys maybe watch a little more gomtv, and maybe together we can hold ground. On the one hand I thought e-sports was growing, and then I see this and I scratch my head - what's going on?
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
July 27 2011 13:35 GMT
#955
On July 27 2011 22:32 RenardDesMers wrote:
The question is now about how healthy is the esports economy right now in Korea.

We saw that in SC2, teams feel the urge to go abroad to get more money ( probably mostly because there's only one league and it's so difficult to get into code S).

Now that BW has only one league, there might be a problem there too as teams will basically compete for less money than they had before.
Also, the fact that MBCGame dies could show the popularity goes down for BW.

Bad stuff for BW anyway


the teams compete in proleague, osl/msl are individual leagues
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Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
July 27 2011 13:36 GMT
#956
On July 27 2011 22:33 hyperknight wrote:
This may be the start of the end for SCBW. We will see a bigger influx of progamers switch from BW to SC2 next month (August) when a lot of players become free agents (now that MBC is not gonna be promoting BW anymore, the mid level/low level progamers will definitely have a bigger incentive to switch over to something else)

Bad news for SC:BW but I think this may be good news for SC2.Let's see how things turn out.

Nevertheless, its gonna become a music channel!?!wtf? O_o

Huh? I don't know where you're getting your source of BW "info" from but you're definitely misinformed.
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Chargelot
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
2275 Posts
July 27 2011 13:36 GMT
#957
On July 27 2011 22:33 hyperknight wrote:
This may be the start of the end for SCBW. We will see a bigger influx of progamers switch from BW to SC2 next month (August) when a lot of players become free agents (now that MBC is not gonna be promoting BW anymore, the mid level/low level progamers will definitely have a bigger incentive to switch over to something else)

Bad news for SC:BW but I think this may be good news for SC2.Let's see how things turn out.

Nevertheless, its gonna become a music channel!?!wtf? O_o


MTV becomes a reality show station.
G4TV becomes a cops/cheaters only channel.
MBCGame becomes a music channel.

Nothing ever makes sense when it comes to TV stations.
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Hieros
Profile Joined June 2009
United States83 Posts
July 27 2011 13:36 GMT
#958
This is very sad news. Unfortunately I, for my part, don't have as much time to follow BW as I once did (or much SC2 anymore for that matter either), but my empathy for all of the dedicated fans here.



doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1281 Posts
July 27 2011 13:40 GMT
#959
On July 27 2011 22:33 hyperknight wrote:
This may be the start of the end for SCBW. We will see a bigger influx of progamers switch from BW to SC2 next month (August) when a lot of players become free agents (now that MBC is not gonna be promoting BW anymore, the mid level/low level progamers will definitely have a bigger incentive to switch over to something else)

Bad news for SC:BW but I think this may be good news for SC2.Let's see how things turn out.

Nevertheless, its gonna become a music channel!?!wtf? O_o


Ok I'm going to preempt zatic telling everyone not to hit report on everything again, cos i'm sure a dozen people just hit report on this:

The reason why this sort of post would get mass reported, despite the polite tone, and no overt bashing of either game. Is that this is exactly the post that BW fans do not want to see.

Keeping in mind that this is in the BW general forum, while sc2 players/fans have every right to talk about the effects of MBC closing down on their game. This specifically talks about the potential benefits to sc2 due to the decline of bw.

An analogy would be showing up at the funeral of a competitor and giving a eulogy on how the upcoming collapse of his company is going to benefit you as a competitor. While it is reasonable, there is a place and time for it. This particular choice of place and time just seems, to me at least, in bad taste.
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
July 27 2011 13:42 GMT
#960
On July 27 2011 22:32 TheOnly92 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 22:25 Medrea wrote:
On July 27 2011 22:22 Milkis wrote:
Fomos reports nothing is for certain yet. MBC Game released a statement regarding it and says that TIG was too quick to release it since it's not 100% certain yet.

Basically MBC Game says that the decision isn't finalized yet.


Hopefully they did this sort of pre-release of information to gauge what the response would be if they actually went through with it. I can't imagine this going over very well in korea.


Well, I believe they're already getting it, now what? Are they gonna stop the plan because a lot of people are against it?


I dunno man, reminds me of G4. TV executives making bad decisions seems to be the common law of the day. Either way, I am in favor of more gaming stations. Streams seem to be really picking up in popularity these days.
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