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Keep any SC2 vs BW comments out of this thread. This is a thread about Brood War and Esports (Tekken Crash, Special Forces, etc) in general. If you discuss what this means for ESPORTS be sensitive about it. | ||
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Craton
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Hikko
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Fym
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Chargelot
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On July 27 2011 23:04 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: It is an indicator that esports might not be as viable as we think it is. That a station that held up half of broodwars and several other esports, and had better ratings than it's sc2 equivalent, believes that it is more viable to switch it's focus to kpop, indicates that esports itself might not be viable, and that the position of any station promoting esports might not be as economically stable as we like. I have to respectfully disagree. It means they believe their current lineup of E-Sports may be failing, and that it is more reasonable to change their broadcasting genre than to edit their lineup. League of Legends got something ridiculous, in the neighborhood of 2.2M unique viewers at DreamHack Summer (A very high number, insanely large, was concurrent). SC2 Got a few hundred thousand, running well over 80,000 concurrent for most of the final day. I think a station playing more modernized E-Sports games could do very well. Maybe not in the Korean market, but like I've mentioned, BW is the only game in which Korea remains the E-Sports capital of the world. An American company -- lets say G4 -- could do very well by broadcasting modern E-Sports games. | ||
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Redmark
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On July 27 2011 23:04 Chargelot wrote: SC2 is already a major hit. Around the world. Korea has GSL, which isn't as large as BW was in Korea, but Korea isn't the E-Sports center of the world anymore -- that only applies to BW now. It's not the only place, but it's still the biggest market in absolute terms. Nowhere else is there as much competition, partly because people don't have to fly everywhere just to play a LAN. Basically while SC2 is developing BW was already developed, and if that system were to simply disappear it would be quite a waste. | ||
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Essbee
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Niten
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hysterial
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. I've mosty moved to SC2 at this point, but BW will always be in my heart. | ||
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regerstreen
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zatic
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On July 27 2011 23:10 Chargelot wrote: I have to respectfully disagree. It means they believe their current lineup of E-Sports may be failing, and that it is more reasonable to change their broadcasting genre than to edit their lineup. How are you disagreeing then? If that is not terrible for SC2's outlook to ever leave the niche of internet streaming and appear on Korean television what is? For the rest, international (esp global) numbers have no relevance to this topic. | ||
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fire_brand
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Medrea
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On July 27 2011 23:10 Chargelot wrote: I have to respectfully disagree. It means they believe their current lineup of E-Sports may be failing, and that it is more reasonable to change their broadcasting genre than to edit their lineup. League of Legends got something ridiculous, in the neighborhood of 2.2M unique viewers at DreamHack Summer (A very high number, insanely large, was concurrent). SC2 Got a few hundred thousand, running well over 80,000 concurrent for most of the final day. I think a station playing more modernized E-Sports games could do very well. Maybe not in the Korean market, but like I've mentioned, BW is the only game in which Korea remains the E-Sports capital of the world. An American company -- lets say G4 -- could do very well by broadcasting modern E-Sports games. It was not that extreme for LoL. But also that game has very few tournaments compared to starcraft 2. So the tournaments that there are, are really paid attention to. Also LoL had a link to the stream right on the splash screen for the game. Fucking smart. I bet Blizzard is gonna think about doing that now. | ||
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Chargelot
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On July 27 2011 23:13 regerstreen wrote: BW is going down, SC2 is going down (lol at people thinking SC2 can be something dozens of other games couldn't be in the past), esports is going down. It already has? I'm not sure if you just don't follow SC2 E-Sports at all, but it's pretty massive. It's not as mainstream as BW in Korea, but it's significantly larger anyways. And all of this has been accomplished in only a year. I don't want to see BW end. You guys, and the players you support, and the teams that you love, are what made SC2 E-Sports, and ALL E-Sports possible. But "No king rules forever", as King Terenas Menethil II (World of Warcraft, Wrath of the Lich King) said. I hope that BW will still be around for a very long time. But it is not the foundation that holds up E-Sports. It is very small compared to the entirety of E-Sports now. We have BW to thank for that, but it isn't solely responsible for the on-going existence of E-Sports. --- @Zatic Leaving one niche for another isn't a good trade. | ||
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Gatsbi
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On July 27 2011 23:13 zatic wrote: How are you disagreeing then? If that is not terrible for SC2's outlook to ever leave the niche of internet streaming and appear on Korean television what is? For the rest, international (esp global) numbers have no relevance to this topic. To add onto that, BW is not only the single largest esport market, but it is BY FAR the most developed one. It's broadcast in prime time, on 2 tv channels (and not just in 1 hour slots as a gimmick like some games have on espn) is the closest thing to widespread social acceptance any esport has reached anywhere. Not only was it the pioneer in this field, it is still the only field to have reached this level of social penetration, it is the only esport market even remotely close to this level of penetration. | ||
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Grettin
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On July 27 2011 23:13 fire_brand wrote: This is horrible. I guess MBC won't be picking up sc2 DDDDD= Well obviously not if it changes to music completely.. | ||
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mordek
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Craton
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On July 27 2011 23:13 zatic wrote: How are you disagreeing then? If that is not terrible for SC2's outlook to ever leave the niche of internet streaming and appear on Korean television what is? There's too many double negatives in this statement. I'm not sure what you're trying to say. --- As to some earlier comment about why they're changing genres instead of switching games: If 1.) Broodwar watchers are declining 2.) SC2 isn't particularly successful on TV or with live audiences and 3.) Misc games have never been particularly popular (kart racing, sudden attack, etc) then it's a pretty straight train of thought to for an e-sports-centric channel to realize that it's time to move genres. On July 27 2011 21:24 GhostLink wrote: cmon guys, there's always going to be SC2. BW downfall is inevitable, since SC2 has gone global, and sc BW is only still popular in Korea I dunno if you mean "there is still SC2 if this channel closes" or "SC2 will be around forever". Sharing a title doesn't make fans of one like the other. In the latter case, obviously, SC2 will eventually go the way of every game. BW guys seem to hate SC2,and i really have no clue why. Because they're different games? Some people like watching multiple games, other people only like watching one. On July 27 2011 21:50 Medrea wrote:Starcraft 2 single handedly brought e-sports from a terrible spot that it has been in for years now in the global sense and in under a year made the main stage for so many events it is unreal. This is completely false. SC2 rode upon the back of all the esport games before it, just as they rode upon their own predecessors. There's more than enough documentation about the trials and tribulations SC2 caused the e-sports scene. SC2 played a part in some successes, but also many failures / impedances. All of that said -- what does that have to do with MBCGame changing genres? On July 27 2011 23:14 Medrea wrote: It was not that extreme for LoL. But also that game has very few tournaments compared to starcraft 2. So the tournaments that there are, are really paid attention to. Also LoL had a link to the stream right on the splash screen for the game. Fucking smart. I bet Blizzard is gonna think about doing that now. The peak concurrent viewers was a bit over 200,000. | ||
swanized
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