[Interview] MSL Ro8 Day 1 Winners - Page 2

On May 13 2011 06:54 moopie wrote:

DUN DUN DUNNN..

On May 13 2011 06:54 moopie wrote:

DUN DUN DUNNN..

You only scouted the nat at 7 but scouted the high ground in 11.

-It’s hard to explain this difficult timing in words. I only scouted it after calculating it. If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11. But if Leta-hyung mined at the natural I had a different strategy. That’s the key point of this timing, but it’s hard to explain this scouting in words [laugh] But, I trust one day everyone will understand this kind of timing and scouting [T/N: WTF lol]

On May 13 2011 08:14 prototype. wrote:
jaedong definitely looks more awesome with dyed hair

On June 27 2009 16:18 NeverGG wrote:
This was a lovely and fun photo shoot on a gloriously sunny afternoon. Lee Jaedong agreed to do the whole shoot using English and it was a nice change to communicate with him like this. I explained to him that the foreign communities fans like his 'tough' and 'masculine.' image in opposition to the 'cuter' style of his team mates Backho and Lomo.

Our concept was to make it as stylised as possible - very clean and with the idea of a 'fighter' in mind. Jaedong was as always a joy to work with. (When I told him about how the foreign fans view him he said 'I'm cute!' and I assured him that it is the case as well.)

On May 13 2011 06:28 vishrut wrote:
jaedong saying that playing people from samsung is good luck lol

On May 13 2011 08:11 qrs wrote:
Thanks for the translations!


I also found Flash's explanation of his scouting pattern a bit bemusing, not to say amusing. Here's my guess about what he meant.

Leta might have been at 7 o' clock or he might have been at 11 o' clock. Also, he might have built his CC in the natural or he might have built his CC (or other buildings instead) in his main. There wasn't enough time to scout for all of these possibilities in a timely fashion, so Flash had to triage.

Flash used his time to scout three of the four possibilities: 7 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock main. It's true that if Leta had been building at 7 o' clock's main, Flash would have been in trouble. Still it paid for him to scout 7 o' clock's natural first because on the one hand he still had enough time to scout 11 o'clock fully in time and on the other hand, if Leta had been at 7 o' clock and decided to drop a CC in his natural, Flash would have scouted that and been able to react to that too. As for why he scouted 7 before 11 and not vice versa, I believe that this was the more efficient scouting pattern on this map--7's natural is on the way up from where Flash was at 4:30.

TL;DR: Flash's scouting pattern allowed him to scout 3/4 possibilities in time to react accordingly. Had he gone straight to 11 or had he fully scouted 7, he would only have had time to scout for 2/4 possibilities in time to properly react to them.

Just a guess, though.

Edit: Here's the picture of the map from TLPD:

There's also a spawning position at 1, which I didn't account for at all, so when I talk about 2/4 and 3/4 I should really be talking about 2/6 and 3/6, I suppose.

Anyway, you can see from the map that this scouting pattern was the only way for Flash to scout 3 locations (counting naturals and mains separately) as quickly as he did. From Flash's starting location in the bottom left, the closest set of natural + main is 7's natural + 11's main (going through 11's natural, naturally).

Edit 2: actually on closer look, it seems like Flash could have equally well scouted 1's natural before 11's main. I'm not sure whether Flash had a reason for scouting 7 rather than 1 or whether that choice was a toss-up (or whether I'm totally off-base with all of this, of course).

On May 13 2011 09:05 Tenhou wrote:


lol This doesn't make any sense at all(to me). Flash scouted the 7 natural then he went scouting the 11 natural and main while a marine he just made scouted the 1 natural and the scv came into the 11 main and the marine head straight for the top left.

The thing is, Flash would be in a disadvantage if Leta was in the 7 main because of his scouting. Leta would have made at least 2 marines before the scv came back to 7 if leta was at the 7 main building CC inbase. At least, I think what flash meant when he said "If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11" because Leta would have a big BO advantage over Flash had he not got bunker rush.

On May 13 2011 09:11 darktreb wrote:


Basically if Leta went CC first (which is what Flash was banking on), there were 6 possibilities - Leta could have been in any of the three positions, and either built his CC in base or at the natural. The way Flash scouted, he would have caught Leta in time in 5 of these 6 possibilities, because the Marine would go all the way into 1 o'clock main, and the SCV would go all the way into 11 o'clock main. If the SCV goes all the way into 7 o'clock main (where Flash scouted first), he might have been later to reach 11 o'clock entirely, and thus only cover 4 of 6 possibilities.

On May 13 2011 09:15 Tenhou wrote:


Making into the 11 o'clock 4-5 second later doesn't make much of a difference, the big difference would be the time for the scv to come back to the 7 o'clock main if leta was in that main. To me "If it was 7 it would've been bad" means if leta was at 7 o'clock.