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Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
May 12 2011 23:05 GMT
#21
On May 13 2011 06:54 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 06:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Woongjing has strong Zergs, do you have a strategy against Queens?
-I practice a lot of with Woongjin Zergs, and I often meet Queens. There might not be a solution, I can only wait and see [laugh]

DUN DUN DUNNN..

He's just hiding. He probably beat a few of them into a slump.
☺
Fresol
Profile Joined April 2009
China77 Posts
May 12 2011 23:09 GMT
#22
On May 13 2011 06:54 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 06:23 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Woongjing has strong Zergs, do you have a strategy against Queens?
-I practice a lot of with Woongjin Zergs, and I often meet Queens. There might not be a solution, I can only wait and see [laugh]

DUN DUN DUNNN..

In Chinese translation it's "There might or might not be a solution, we shall wait and see".
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-12 23:30:35
May 12 2011 23:11 GMT
#23
Thanks for the translations!

You only scouted the nat at 7 but scouted the high ground in 11.

-It’s hard to explain this difficult timing in words. I only scouted it after calculating it. If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11. But if Leta-hyung mined at the natural I had a different strategy. That’s the key point of this timing, but it’s hard to explain this scouting in words [laugh] But, I trust one day everyone will understand this kind of timing and scouting [T/N: WTF lol]

I also found Flash's explanation of his scouting pattern a bit bemusing, not to say amusing. Here's my guess about what he meant.

Leta might have been at 7 o' clock or he might have been at 11 o' clock. Also, he might have built his CC in the natural or he might have built his CC (or other buildings instead) in his main. There wasn't enough time to scout for all of these possibilities in a timely fashion, so Flash had to triage.

Flash used his time to scout three of the four possibilities: 7 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock main. It's true that if Leta had been building at 7 o' clock's main, Flash would have been in trouble. Still it paid for him to scout 7 o' clock's natural first because on the one hand he still had enough time to scout 11 o'clock fully in time and on the other hand, if Leta had been at 7 o' clock and decided to drop a CC in his natural, Flash would have scouted that and been able to react to that too. As for why he scouted 7 before 11 and not vice versa, I believe that this was the more efficient scouting pattern on this map--7's natural is on the way up from where Flash was at 4:30.

TL;DR: Flash's scouting pattern allowed him to scout 3/4 possibilities in time to react accordingly. Had he gone straight to 11 or had he fully scouted 7, he would only have had time to scout for 2/4 possibilities in time to properly react to them.

Just a guess, though.

Edit: Here's the picture of the map from TLPD:
[image loading]
There's also a spawning position at 1, which I didn't account for at all, so when I talk about 2/4 and 3/4 I should really be talking about 2/6 and 3/6, I suppose.

Anyway, you can see from the map that this scouting pattern was the only way for Flash to scout 3 locations (counting naturals and mains separately) as quickly as he did. From Flash's starting location in the bottom left, the closest set of natural + main is 7's natural + 11's main (going through 11's natural, naturally).

Edit 2: actually on closer look, it seems like Flash could have equally well scouted 1's natural before 11's main. I'm not sure whether Flash had a reason for scouting 7 rather than 1 or whether that choice was a toss-up (or whether I'm totally off-base with all of this, of course).
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prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4200 Posts
May 12 2011 23:14 GMT
#24
jaedong definitely looks more awesome with dyed hair
( ・´ー・`)
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 12 2011 23:15 GMT
#25
<3 calm
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amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
May 12 2011 23:18 GMT
#26
could very well have an all MSL champions semifinals if these results hold up
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
May 12 2011 23:20 GMT
#27
On May 13 2011 08:14 prototype. wrote:
jaedong definitely looks more awesome with dyed hair

Yeah, dyed hair does wonders in keeping him to look young. ~_~

[image loading]

On June 27 2009 16:18 NeverGG wrote:
This was a lovely and fun photo shoot on a gloriously sunny afternoon. Lee Jaedong agreed to do the whole shoot using English and it was a nice change to communicate with him like this. I explained to him that the foreign communities fans like his 'tough' and 'masculine.' image in opposition to the 'cuter' style of his team mates Backho and Lomo.

Our concept was to make it as stylised as possible - very clean and with the idea of a 'fighter' in mind. Jaedong was as always a joy to work with. (When I told him about how the foreign fans view him he said 'I'm cute!' and I assured him that it is the case as well.)
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Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
May 12 2011 23:31 GMT
#28
<3 the interviews!

@qrs

That might be an idea as to what he meant, not sure about teh 1oclock issue though.. I guess we'll have to have Ver come translate Flash into a thought process for mortals haha

Nice pictures of Jaedong!


Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
May 12 2011 23:43 GMT
#29
Disgusting onesided ZvP if I ever saw one, well played by the Dong, but you could tell by that Grape simply couldn't handle the pressure, the Dong is too intimidating for him.

Thanks for the interviews and get well soon Jaedong!

Also Mind his face is kind of the face of an expressionless troll.
WriterXiao8~~
Rodiel3
Profile Joined March 2011
France1158 Posts
May 12 2011 23:43 GMT
#30
The angriness of Jaedong after loosing to horang is still present
http://www.youtube.com/user/rodiel3 SCBW FPVOD
moochu
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia374 Posts
May 12 2011 23:55 GMT
#31
On May 13 2011 06:28 vishrut wrote:
jaedong saying that playing people from samsung is good luck lol


Actually he's saying he earnt it because he's number one ranked.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
May 12 2011 23:58 GMT
#32
I think the focus is more on that Reality and Grape are both newcomers, not that they're from Samsung.
TranslatorBaa!
Tenhou
Profile Joined April 2011
1052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 00:06:32
May 13 2011 00:05 GMT
#33
On May 13 2011 08:11 qrs wrote:
Thanks for the translations!

Show nested quote +
You only scouted the nat at 7 but scouted the high ground in 11.

-It’s hard to explain this difficult timing in words. I only scouted it after calculating it. If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11. But if Leta-hyung mined at the natural I had a different strategy. That’s the key point of this timing, but it’s hard to explain this scouting in words [laugh] But, I trust one day everyone will understand this kind of timing and scouting [T/N: WTF lol]

I also found Flash's explanation of his scouting pattern a bit bemusing, not to say amusing. Here's my guess about what he meant.

Leta might have been at 7 o' clock or he might have been at 11 o' clock. Also, he might have built his CC in the natural or he might have built his CC (or other buildings instead) in his main. There wasn't enough time to scout for all of these possibilities in a timely fashion, so Flash had to triage.

Flash used his time to scout three of the four possibilities: 7 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock main. It's true that if Leta had been building at 7 o' clock's main, Flash would have been in trouble. Still it paid for him to scout 7 o' clock's natural first because on the one hand he still had enough time to scout 11 o'clock fully in time and on the other hand, if Leta had been at 7 o' clock and decided to drop a CC in his natural, Flash would have scouted that and been able to react to that too. As for why he scouted 7 before 11 and not vice versa, I believe that this was the more efficient scouting pattern on this map--7's natural is on the way up from where Flash was at 4:30.

TL;DR: Flash's scouting pattern allowed him to scout 3/4 possibilities in time to react accordingly. Had he gone straight to 11 or had he fully scouted 7, he would only have had time to scout for 2/4 possibilities in time to properly react to them.

Just a guess, though.

Edit: Here's the picture of the map from TLPD:
[image loading]
There's also a spawning position at 1, which I didn't account for at all, so when I talk about 2/4 and 3/4 I should really be talking about 2/6 and 3/6, I suppose.

Anyway, you can see from the map that this scouting pattern was the only way for Flash to scout 3 locations (counting naturals and mains separately) as quickly as he did. From Flash's starting location in the bottom left, the closest set of natural + main is 7's natural + 11's main (going through 11's natural, naturally).

Edit 2: actually on closer look, it seems like Flash could have equally well scouted 1's natural before 11's main. I'm not sure whether Flash had a reason for scouting 7 rather than 1 or whether that choice was a toss-up (or whether I'm totally off-base with all of this, of course).


lol This doesn't make any sense at all(to me). Flash scouted the 7 natural then he went scouting the 11 natural and main while a marine he just made scouted the 1 natural and the scv came into the 11 main and the marine head straight for the top left.

The thing is, Flash would be in a disadvantage if Leta was in the 7 main because of his scouting. Leta would have made at least 2 marines before the scv came back to 7 if leta was at the 7 main building CC inbase. At least, I think what flash meant when he said "If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11" because Leta would have a big BO advantage over Flash had he not got bunker rush.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
May 13 2011 00:11 GMT
#34
On May 13 2011 09:05 Tenhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 08:11 qrs wrote:
Thanks for the translations!

You only scouted the nat at 7 but scouted the high ground in 11.

-It’s hard to explain this difficult timing in words. I only scouted it after calculating it. If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11. But if Leta-hyung mined at the natural I had a different strategy. That’s the key point of this timing, but it’s hard to explain this scouting in words [laugh] But, I trust one day everyone will understand this kind of timing and scouting [T/N: WTF lol]

I also found Flash's explanation of his scouting pattern a bit bemusing, not to say amusing. Here's my guess about what he meant.

Leta might have been at 7 o' clock or he might have been at 11 o' clock. Also, he might have built his CC in the natural or he might have built his CC (or other buildings instead) in his main. There wasn't enough time to scout for all of these possibilities in a timely fashion, so Flash had to triage.

Flash used his time to scout three of the four possibilities: 7 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock main. It's true that if Leta had been building at 7 o' clock's main, Flash would have been in trouble. Still it paid for him to scout 7 o' clock's natural first because on the one hand he still had enough time to scout 11 o'clock fully in time and on the other hand, if Leta had been at 7 o' clock and decided to drop a CC in his natural, Flash would have scouted that and been able to react to that too. As for why he scouted 7 before 11 and not vice versa, I believe that this was the more efficient scouting pattern on this map--7's natural is on the way up from where Flash was at 4:30.

TL;DR: Flash's scouting pattern allowed him to scout 3/4 possibilities in time to react accordingly. Had he gone straight to 11 or had he fully scouted 7, he would only have had time to scout for 2/4 possibilities in time to properly react to them.

Just a guess, though.

Edit: Here's the picture of the map from TLPD:
[image loading]
There's also a spawning position at 1, which I didn't account for at all, so when I talk about 2/4 and 3/4 I should really be talking about 2/6 and 3/6, I suppose.

Anyway, you can see from the map that this scouting pattern was the only way for Flash to scout 3 locations (counting naturals and mains separately) as quickly as he did. From Flash's starting location in the bottom left, the closest set of natural + main is 7's natural + 11's main (going through 11's natural, naturally).

Edit 2: actually on closer look, it seems like Flash could have equally well scouted 1's natural before 11's main. I'm not sure whether Flash had a reason for scouting 7 rather than 1 or whether that choice was a toss-up (or whether I'm totally off-base with all of this, of course).


lol This doesn't make any sense at all(to me). Flash scouted the 7 natural then he went scouting the 11 natural and main while a marine he just made scouted the 1 natural and the scv came into the 11 main and the marine head straight for the top left.

The thing is, Flash would be in a disadvantage if Leta was in the 7 main because of his scouting. Leta would have made at least 2 marines before the scv came back to 7 if leta was at the 7 main building CC inbase. At least, I think what flash meant when he said "If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11" because Leta would have a big BO advantage over Flash had he not got bunker rush.


Basically if Leta went CC first (which is what Flash was banking on), there were 6 possibilities - Leta could have been in any of the three positions, and either built his CC in base or at the natural. The way Flash scouted, he would have caught Leta in time in 5 of these 6 possibilities, because the Marine would go all the way into 1 o'clock main, and the SCV would go all the way into 11 o'clock main. If the SCV goes all the way into 7 o'clock main (where Flash scouted first), he might have been later to reach 11 o'clock entirely, and thus only cover 4 of 6 possibilities.
Tenhou
Profile Joined April 2011
1052 Posts
May 13 2011 00:15 GMT
#35
On May 13 2011 09:11 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 09:05 Tenhou wrote:
On May 13 2011 08:11 qrs wrote:
Thanks for the translations!

You only scouted the nat at 7 but scouted the high ground in 11.

-It’s hard to explain this difficult timing in words. I only scouted it after calculating it. If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11. But if Leta-hyung mined at the natural I had a different strategy. That’s the key point of this timing, but it’s hard to explain this scouting in words [laugh] But, I trust one day everyone will understand this kind of timing and scouting [T/N: WTF lol]

I also found Flash's explanation of his scouting pattern a bit bemusing, not to say amusing. Here's my guess about what he meant.

Leta might have been at 7 o' clock or he might have been at 11 o' clock. Also, he might have built his CC in the natural or he might have built his CC (or other buildings instead) in his main. There wasn't enough time to scout for all of these possibilities in a timely fashion, so Flash had to triage.

Flash used his time to scout three of the four possibilities: 7 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock main. It's true that if Leta had been building at 7 o' clock's main, Flash would have been in trouble. Still it paid for him to scout 7 o' clock's natural first because on the one hand he still had enough time to scout 11 o'clock fully in time and on the other hand, if Leta had been at 7 o' clock and decided to drop a CC in his natural, Flash would have scouted that and been able to react to that too. As for why he scouted 7 before 11 and not vice versa, I believe that this was the more efficient scouting pattern on this map--7's natural is on the way up from where Flash was at 4:30.

TL;DR: Flash's scouting pattern allowed him to scout 3/4 possibilities in time to react accordingly. Had he gone straight to 11 or had he fully scouted 7, he would only have had time to scout for 2/4 possibilities in time to properly react to them.

Just a guess, though.

Edit: Here's the picture of the map from TLPD:
[image loading]
There's also a spawning position at 1, which I didn't account for at all, so when I talk about 2/4 and 3/4 I should really be talking about 2/6 and 3/6, I suppose.

Anyway, you can see from the map that this scouting pattern was the only way for Flash to scout 3 locations (counting naturals and mains separately) as quickly as he did. From Flash's starting location in the bottom left, the closest set of natural + main is 7's natural + 11's main (going through 11's natural, naturally).

Edit 2: actually on closer look, it seems like Flash could have equally well scouted 1's natural before 11's main. I'm not sure whether Flash had a reason for scouting 7 rather than 1 or whether that choice was a toss-up (or whether I'm totally off-base with all of this, of course).


lol This doesn't make any sense at all(to me). Flash scouted the 7 natural then he went scouting the 11 natural and main while a marine he just made scouted the 1 natural and the scv came into the 11 main and the marine head straight for the top left.

The thing is, Flash would be in a disadvantage if Leta was in the 7 main because of his scouting. Leta would have made at least 2 marines before the scv came back to 7 if leta was at the 7 main building CC inbase. At least, I think what flash meant when he said "If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11" because Leta would have a big BO advantage over Flash had he not got bunker rush.


Basically if Leta went CC first (which is what Flash was banking on), there were 6 possibilities - Leta could have been in any of the three positions, and either built his CC in base or at the natural. The way Flash scouted, he would have caught Leta in time in 5 of these 6 possibilities, because the Marine would go all the way into 1 o'clock main, and the SCV would go all the way into 11 o'clock main. If the SCV goes all the way into 7 o'clock main (where Flash scouted first), he might have been later to reach 11 o'clock entirely, and thus only cover 4 of 6 possibilities.


Making into the 11 o'clock 4-5 second later doesn't make much of a difference, the big difference would be the time for the scv to come back to the 7 o'clock main if leta was in that main. To me "If it was 7 it would've been bad" means if leta was at 7 o'clock.
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-13 00:22:07
May 13 2011 00:18 GMT
#36
MKP||TSL
Existential
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2107 Posts
May 13 2011 00:24 GMT
#37
Thanks for the interviews :D Hope JD recovers from his cold :O
Jaedong <3 | BW - The first game I ever loved
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3016 Posts
May 13 2011 00:29 GMT
#38
On May 13 2011 09:15 Tenhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2011 09:11 darktreb wrote:
On May 13 2011 09:05 Tenhou wrote:
On May 13 2011 08:11 qrs wrote:
Thanks for the translations!

You only scouted the nat at 7 but scouted the high ground in 11.

-It’s hard to explain this difficult timing in words. I only scouted it after calculating it. If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11. But if Leta-hyung mined at the natural I had a different strategy. That’s the key point of this timing, but it’s hard to explain this scouting in words [laugh] But, I trust one day everyone will understand this kind of timing and scouting [T/N: WTF lol]

I also found Flash's explanation of his scouting pattern a bit bemusing, not to say amusing. Here's my guess about what he meant.

Leta might have been at 7 o' clock or he might have been at 11 o' clock. Also, he might have built his CC in the natural or he might have built his CC (or other buildings instead) in his main. There wasn't enough time to scout for all of these possibilities in a timely fashion, so Flash had to triage.

Flash used his time to scout three of the four possibilities: 7 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock natural, 11 o' clock main. It's true that if Leta had been building at 7 o' clock's main, Flash would have been in trouble. Still it paid for him to scout 7 o' clock's natural first because on the one hand he still had enough time to scout 11 o'clock fully in time and on the other hand, if Leta had been at 7 o' clock and decided to drop a CC in his natural, Flash would have scouted that and been able to react to that too. As for why he scouted 7 before 11 and not vice versa, I believe that this was the more efficient scouting pattern on this map--7's natural is on the way up from where Flash was at 4:30.

TL;DR: Flash's scouting pattern allowed him to scout 3/4 possibilities in time to react accordingly. Had he gone straight to 11 or had he fully scouted 7, he would only have had time to scout for 2/4 possibilities in time to properly react to them.

Just a guess, though.

Edit: Here's the picture of the map from TLPD:
[image loading]
There's also a spawning position at 1, which I didn't account for at all, so when I talk about 2/4 and 3/4 I should really be talking about 2/6 and 3/6, I suppose.

Anyway, you can see from the map that this scouting pattern was the only way for Flash to scout 3 locations (counting naturals and mains separately) as quickly as he did. From Flash's starting location in the bottom left, the closest set of natural + main is 7's natural + 11's main (going through 11's natural, naturally).

Edit 2: actually on closer look, it seems like Flash could have equally well scouted 1's natural before 11's main. I'm not sure whether Flash had a reason for scouting 7 rather than 1 or whether that choice was a toss-up (or whether I'm totally off-base with all of this, of course).


lol This doesn't make any sense at all(to me). Flash scouted the 7 natural then he went scouting the 11 natural and main while a marine he just made scouted the 1 natural and the scv came into the 11 main and the marine head straight for the top left.

The thing is, Flash would be in a disadvantage if Leta was in the 7 main because of his scouting. Leta would have made at least 2 marines before the scv came back to 7 if leta was at the 7 main building CC inbase. At least, I think what flash meant when he said "If it was 7 it would’ve been bad, but I was lucky it was 11" because Leta would have a big BO advantage over Flash had he not got bunker rush.


Basically if Leta went CC first (which is what Flash was banking on), there were 6 possibilities - Leta could have been in any of the three positions, and either built his CC in base or at the natural. The way Flash scouted, he would have caught Leta in time in 5 of these 6 possibilities, because the Marine would go all the way into 1 o'clock main, and the SCV would go all the way into 11 o'clock main. If the SCV goes all the way into 7 o'clock main (where Flash scouted first), he might have been later to reach 11 o'clock entirely, and thus only cover 4 of 6 possibilities.


Making into the 11 o'clock 4-5 second later doesn't make much of a difference, the big difference would be the time for the scv to come back to the 7 o'clock main if leta was in that main. To me "If it was 7 it would've been bad" means if leta was at 7 o'clock.


Maybe he thinks it makes a difference. Maybe it's the difference between the Bunker at the natural getting up and not? I don't know either, definitely just speculating here, and could definitely be completely wrong.
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
May 13 2011 00:29 GMT
#39
Flash's scouting is basically maphacking.

Good fucking god.
Jaedong plz
Warpath
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1242 Posts
May 13 2011 00:32 GMT
#40
I guess there was something in flashs BO that had a very tight window that a couple seconds extra scouting would have had influence on.
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