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AfterTaste
Canada40 Posts
next season starts monday. GL hope everyone plays | ||
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
 Julyzerg will win if he plays serious, meaning not 2 hatch ling every game :[ | ||
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Commander{+}
United States2878 Posts
That was my understanding. Jesus christ Twisted, give the guy a break. | ||
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KiD[ReD]
Canada2103 Posts
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0x64
Finland4576 Posts
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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AfterTaste
Canada40 Posts
hes stopped hacking its over. get over it just let him play | ||
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TheSlowHand
Korea (South)177 Posts
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
 who wants to take bets on how many pages it will be this time about testie hacking. | ||
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
Testie may or may not still hack, but honestly, think about the situation. Everyone assumes Testie hacks. If he did hack, he would have be to an idiot to let it show in even the smallest way, due to the community being so quick to jump all over people. Therefore, you have to further analyze the situation and look at what the benefits of using a hack would be. In order to avoid any suspicion, you would still have to use lots of scouts. So what if he sees a certain build order and prepares for it? It would still show that he hacked unless he had some sort of scout, or some sort of sign that would signal such a build. There's pretty much no benefit to using a hack, if you're trying to hide it, that you wouldn't gain by playing like normal. With that said, you must also take into account that sometimes luck DOES come into play. Like it or not, it happens. To conclude that Testie does hack in the present, you'd have to play him a shitload of times and gather a WHOLE lot of "screw-ups" on Testie's part for it to even become a valid suspicion. I don't know if he hacks or not. I don't really care. There's not a whole lot it can do for him. If he hacks, he hides it anyway, due to everyone rightfully being an ass to him (rightfully under the scenario he does hack). So, really, what does it matter? I can guarantee 99.9% of you have not played him nearly enough times to conclude he hacks recently. All you're doing by constantly bringing it up is wasting everyone's times. If you want to say Testie hacks, get some RECENT replays (more than 1), and show some good evidence as to why you think he hacks. Otherwise, GOOD GOD IT'S ANNOYING. Again, I don't know whether he hacks or not, and I really don't care, I'm just tired of everyone being such an ass all the time when they more than likely really have no clue as to what's going on. The saying, "Once a hacker always a hacker" may or may not be true, but it would be rediculous to assume such a thing occurs for all players. I mean, even alcoholics and druggies can break out of the cycle, and that stuff has chemicals that alter their mind that MAKE them addicted. Jesus christ you people can be rough. | ||
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KiD[ReD]
Canada2103 Posts
This is a VERY true point. | ||
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CeltiC.MoOn
Germany160 Posts
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Shockey
United States2615 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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PheaRSome
United States584 Posts
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ky[Z]
China1730 Posts
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ky[Z]
China1730 Posts
On February 09 2003 05:07 CeltiC.MoOn wrote: testie is a skilled player and would be a fool to hack again, especially on wgt where everybody can dl his reps... Buddy, not quite right there, SOMEHOW, all of testie replays are in text format, its not just the file name in txt format, but the extention, so we cant watch his replays ~~ | ||
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
He normally wins because he makes the right stuff, and attacks at the right time. Scouting doesn't always tell you what the enemy is doing, hacking does. He could be hacking and hiding it, and regardless of how much he scouts it would still help him a great deal. Im not saying he does hack, I just thought I should bring this point up. | ||
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Imperium
United States614 Posts
so shh | ||
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AfterTaste
Canada40 Posts
u say he doesnt macro/micro to win.. how about you go download the replay of Testie with Terran against Arang with Protoss and You tell me how he doesnt muicro and macro ok??? that game shows the most unbelievable vulture control that my eyes have ever seen hack or no hack hes still opne of the greatest bw players | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
I think He Doesnt Some PPl think hE DO how about well all just keep our thoughts to ourselves for now on.THis thread was not supposed to be about testie hacking. SOme jealous foo accused him without playing him or any proof whatsoever.Actually NOone Hear Has ANy PROOF NO PROOF AT ALL!!!!!!!! <--I emphasize this b/c then it really isnt an opinion b/c u have to base it on something how does that sound He hacks b/c 1)he did it be4??? u knwo how many ppl do things then stop??? 2)He #1 wgtour the guy is good bw player ????? wtf 3)he has good strats.... this is just stupid leave it alone plz;) | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
he generally loses when the other player is just as skilled (if not more so), and has faster hands/more experience. the cause of his losses is rarely something he did ever since he changed his style to ultra-conservative. | ||
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Playaz911
United States5 Posts
 I don't know Testie, I'm not his supporter, but I played him once and was owned. The guy is good, period. Reading through these replies, I noticed how irrelevant the people against Testie are. For those who are supporting him, you guys make logical sense. How many time have I seen this topic, MANY!!! get it over with already... ps. plz dont compare hacking with addiction to smoking... so off!!~  | ||
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FrEaK[S.sIR]
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
Im not saying he has bad micro or macro, im saying generally his higher level opponents have better macro and micro, yet he still wins, due to good timing and making the right units. | ||
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Playaz911
United States5 Posts
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AfterTaste
Canada40 Posts
If someone is "better" than another person doesnt mean he has better micro or macro in that particular game. Each game is different it all depends on certain things like First game of the day - rusty Just got inside from cold weather - hands cold.. harder to control THe guy who won could have been wamred up really well by playing all day. Or the guy who losses could have just played a 1 hour game and hands are sore from clicking could be lack of sleep.. etc. So u cant judge "why testie wins vs ""better macro/micro'ers"" It can usually all depend on what the 2 people have gone through during their day. or if they play the game of their life I know for certain I've beaten over 5 well known players that are way out of my league. (Not because I hack or because I made the right timings) Its because I played the games of my life and kicked it into overdrive... thoughts thinking quicker, hands moving faster, it gets more intense when I play people I really want to beat. you cant really judge by the things you have stated. | ||
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Liquid.Venice
United States916 Posts
fucking listen to me im generalizing from what ive seen alot of the higher level games I see testie plays he is outmicrod and outmacrod, yet he still wins because he makes the right units and attacks at the right times. this is ALL im saying and im not saying it again. | ||
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nArAnjO
Peru2571 Posts
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AfterTaste
Canada40 Posts
Very much experience and he has probably played for hours every day since sc started. He has ALOT of experience, he can plan attacks very well while knowing b/o's/strats by certain mysterious moves opponent makes just by experience. Hes very Smart and observant. Now hes even better while playing with such kor pros ex. today jju,v-gundam, nal_rarri, and arang ask testie for practice for tv games he plays with the best which makes him one of the best | ||
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
 ). Why wouldn't he hack now, blah, for me he'll always be a hacker, hiding behind this kind of behaviour:o_O ^_^ ^^ --; -_- --V ._.; etc.etc.etc. the list goes on. Whatever :[ | ||
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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Shin_Ju_Young
Korea (South)8 Posts
and let's see in wcg2003 in canada ..if his skill is true or Fucking hacker-_-;... that's gonna be better to accuse him a hacker or not.. | ||
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N.sL)_CirCle
New Zealand478 Posts
Testie probably does not hack now, but I go back to the old and well-used analogy: "Would you leave your 11 yr old daughter in the care of a convicted kiddy fucker?" I mean this guy served fully 3 yrs of his sentence before he got parole...give the guy a break... P.S Kiddie dont waste ya time dude ----> P.P.S Someone please close this topic I'm pretty sure everyone on bnet knows about testie, and if ya dont wanna take the risk of being hacked, do as i do, dont ask to play him. Hack or not, the poor guy has had enough im sure. Just ignore him...who cares about wgtour? there was more than one hacker playing it... | ||
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
He was caught once but since he was (i assume) good we gave him a second chance But then he was caught again. Sorry but if you get caught twice you don't get a third chance. Again: i don't care if he's good if he hacks He had his two shots he blew them | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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esk0
Sweden1393 Posts
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NewbieMcNasty
United States328 Posts
1. The hacker admits to it 2. The hacker uses a peon glide without vision of the appropriate mineral patch. Testie did both. To quote a line from minority report, this is an "orgy of evidence", something that very rarely happens on bnet to hackers, since 99% of hackers never get caught this way and so 99% of hackers get away with hacking. Its amazing people still debate this, and in the extremely rare circumstances that a hacker gets caught the bnet community only gives them a slap on the wrist? In testie's case, two slaps on the wrist. When do we draw the line,3,4? The other option to combat hacking is to watch that player's replays and note anything suspicious. You can't prove someone hacks this way, but you might be able to gather up enough information to decide if you would like to refuse to play that person. Coincidentally or not, Testie's rise on the wgtour ladder happened at the same time that wgtour's replay system became corrupt. I downloaded his last 16 replays, 15 of them were somehow saved as text files. In general I'm not impressed by Testie's strategies. He goes fast nexus vs zerg, marines vs protoss, and uses several other strategies that are vulnerable unless you have the specific defense. Its true that certain levels of micro and macro skill are undeniable, and this alone does make testie a decent player. However, being a decent player in no way justifies hacking even once out of one hundred games. Also is Testie's micro and macro really that amazing? It seems ok to me but not impressive at all, certainly not significantly better than anyone else in the top 50 of wgtour. Personally, I think Testie deserves the same treatment as another known hacker: JelloOne. | ||
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
Create a .bat-file and type in ren *.txt *.rep DONE Have fun watching them... OMG  | ||
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Pomozite
Croatia647 Posts
On February 09 2003 15:53 NewbieMcNasty wrote: I downloaded his last 16 replays, 15 of them were somehow saved as text files. Right click on disk icon, save target as, and rename it to .rep. That worked. | ||
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
Click on replay, save, then write "testie vs xxx.rep", the "'s are the important thing here, it'll force (both NTFS and Fat I THINK) extension change. | ||
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NewbieMcNasty
United States328 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
When I look at Testies replays I see a person who doesn't micro very well (note: I do not mean he microes bad, but it's not above the level of any other top 30 WGTour user as Nasty said), uses bad strats and always wins. Further more he has proven himself not to be at his 'online level' when it's 100% sure he is not using a hack (WCG Canada) . It often happens that people are nervous in tournaments and can not play up to their potential, though in Testies case it all becomes very doubtful to me. Don't say "he doesn't hack". That's just ignorant and really makes others question your intelligence. Really, noone but him can know. | ||
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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DReaMe
United States337 Posts
The hatred between these 2 can only be mirrored for my hatred for 99% of the USA bw population, both don't give a fuck what either thinks about them, yet they still go at it whenever they have a chance. ^_^! | ||
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Zob
Germany226 Posts
Sorry guys but don't you find it boring to talk bout this Guy over and over? P.S: Testie HACKS!!!  | ||
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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ky[Z]
China1730 Posts
On February 09 2003 20:12 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote: *questioning...* lol | ||
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bASesinAtOR
Bhutan1295 Posts
stop the mayhem. Thanks! | ||
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Bleww
United States1080 Posts
. So why doesn't everyone just forget about this until he either admits he is still hacking or the subject just eventually dies out..? | ||
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hum
Australia125 Posts
sorry i only found 2 of his reps at wg tour website >_< | ||
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CosMo
Japan136 Posts
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Shin_Ju_Young
Korea (South)8 Posts
he got more than 3 years experience -_-;.. and i saw him win everytime -_-;... Strange...... But He was beaten by july zerg 2 - 1 ... cause July rush Very hardly ... and even Testie knows that he 's gonna rush He couldn't imgine that could be so powerful to Stop it -_-;.. Testie = Hacker . -_-;... | ||
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Eliminator
Netherlands681 Posts
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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Eliminator
Netherlands681 Posts
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distant_voice
Germany2521 Posts
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Eliminator
Netherlands681 Posts
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Eliminator
Netherlands681 Posts
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Kontra[MDK]
Portugal1013 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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Qvark
Sweden185 Posts
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Hades
Canada927 Posts
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SDT-Skav
France20 Posts
Btw the top16 tourney is very clean this season. Ne freewin, no hacker ( at first sight, we didn't check all reps yet and can't detect all maphackers ), no real badmanner. Most are well-known players and in the top for a long time | ||
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Veg
Canada2945 Posts
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maThRaf
Canada213 Posts
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
Even if he has stopped hacking, why are so many people so certain that he doesn't hack and are willing to go so far to defend him? What kind of proof do his haters have for him hacking? How about what proof do his supporters have that he isn't? I don't think that it's right to keep assuming he's hacking, but I do think it's wrong to assume he's not hacking as well. The pro-Testie people seem to have this weird idea that the burden of proof is on people who think he hacks, when it's just as much on the ones who assert he doesnt. Like most people have said, who cares if he still hacks? There's no way to know for certain, so give it up. BUT, if people are opposed to the idea of playing with a proven ex-hacker (again, this "ex" status is still in question), then it is fully justified and reasonable. Would you gamble with your money against a person who has been proven to have cheated before? I didn't think so. | ||
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DV8
United States1623 Posts
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Mynock
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Mynock
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
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ky[Z]
China1730 Posts
On February 10 2003 23:33 A3iL3r0n wrote: I don't really think it matters if he does or not. You can't hack at live events, and that's what makes and breaks reputations. Sure, doing well on the WGTour is nice, but if you can't replicate your performance when it counts then who cares? yes thats right, you cant hack at live events, thats why testie can never make the wcg. | ||
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maThRaf
Canada213 Posts
1st at wgtour +every 2 weeks bunch of idiots discuss about me for 4 pages | ||
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AfterTaste
Canada40 Posts
and veg u say he should have finished 2nd or 3rd? Look at the top 3.. Grrr, Yosh, Smuft, Then Testie seems about the right top 4 to me. and 2002 u say the guy was newbie who beat him. How about the guy had the fastest hands in the tournement and is Chinese who i've seen OWN top players like FroZ, HellGhost, etc. plus valahalla is testies only downfall he even admits it. At least he has the balls to show up to WCG and try to prove himself with his reputation being what it is. give the guy some credit he won all of his games except on valhalla vs iLL[Rush] and also went 3-0 with Smuft before hand on LAN Games. | ||
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AfterTaste
Canada40 Posts
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AfterTaste
Canada40 Posts
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DefilerDRop
United States56 Posts
On February 11 2003 01:08 maThRaf wrote: id feel pretty well if i was testie right now 1st at wgtour +every 2 weeks bunch of idiots discuss about me for 4 pages lol you're so right | ||
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Stim_Abuser
United States1277 Posts
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
On February 10 2003 23:03 XaI)CyRiC wrote: Why do people defend Testie? I don't get it. His rep is ruined because he's admitted to hacking before, and was caught again after. Why would you want to defend a guy like this? Even if he has stopped hacking, why are so many people so certain that he doesn't hack and are willing to go so far to defend him? What kind of proof do his haters have for him hacking? How about what proof do his supporters have that he isn't? I don't think that it's right to keep assuming he's hacking, but I do think it's wrong to assume he's not hacking as well. The pro-Testie people seem to have this weird idea that the burden of proof is on people who think he hacks, when it's just as much on the ones who assert he doesnt. Like most people have said, who cares if he still hacks? There's no way to know for certain, so give it up. BUT, if people are opposed to the idea of playing with a proven ex-hacker (again, this "ex" status is still in question), then it is fully justified and reasonable. Would you gamble with your money against a person who has been proven to have cheated before? I didn't think so. Reason he is defended is b/c NOONE HAS PROOF~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HIm losing in wcg doesnt prove shit at all | ||
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