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United States4053 Posts
Ssak
Thoughts on the 2-kill you completed today?
I knew that the first game would be a vZ or a vP, so I had full confidence. Killer probably didn't think that his adversary would be a Terran, so I had more confidence.
Could you explain briefly your strategy?
It's a science vessel rush build order, but my opponent blocked it easily, so I had no choice but to make Wraiths. It looks like Wraiths weren't as effective as I anticipated. I'm not really sure how, but I won anyway. (haha)
It looked like a slow mech transition – is this the reason for your recent strength?
The build depends on solid play to get good win rates, so Terrans often use it.
In game 2, did you predict your opponent would be Dear?
This time I only prepared for a single game again (haha). I originally thought to play the same way I did in practice, but after seeing the situation I went for a 2fac. My opponent's cyber core wasn't spinning, so I expected him to make a Reaver. When I saw his shuttle fly by, I resolutely made wraiths of my own. I blasted my way into the enemy main with killing intent, and the result was good.
Against KT, do you want to be the team's vanguard again?
Even though the maps aren't favorable for Terrans, if my coaches decide so, then I'll work very hard to prepare for it. I'll get at least 1 kill.
Your confidence seems to have risen enormously during SWL playoffs.
MSL is rather more worrisome. In proleague, I have a lot of outstanding players behind me, so I don't need to be as anxious. I can relax and play better.
Your expectations for your match against KT?
We've battled our way into the finals, and there's just this one match left. We never beat KT in SWL, but I hope this time we'll be standing on stage as the winners.
Anything else?
During preparations, pressure was high, so thanks a lot to the coaches who helped me a lot. Also, I owe a lot to the help of Sun, Best, and Soo; without them, I couldn't have won today. Thanks.
s2
You assisted your team with a kill.
Today I brought home 1 win. I practiced mainly ZvP, and the results were pretty good. I had opportunities to beat Jaedong, but I lost regrettably. However, the team won, so I'm happy.
You beat PerfectMan with intense pushing.
I've noticed that PerfectMan usually plays an aggressive style, so I decided to first defend a push and then strike back with a counterattack. My plan succeeded, and I was able to win.
Before today, your head-to-head record with Jaedong was 2:0.
Looking at records alone, I lead Jaedong, but he's definitely a more skilled player. I worked hard to not let myself lack concentration, but Jaedong is an incredible player. I guess the head-to-head record is just numbers after all.
Thoughts on the game against Jaedong?
He managed to kill off some of my workers with a zergling runby, but I think there were still timings when I could have won with mutalisks. But I lost the muta battle, so I was done for.
Do you think you'll make an appearance against KT?
I have confidence in my ZvZ, and I'm working hard on my other matchups too, so I hope to get a chance to play. If I can go up, I'll be sure to put on a spectacular game. KT's been impressive recently, so we can't let our guards down. In these last two games, we've cut breaks to practice, and we hope to earn a championship for our efforts.
Anything else?
My teammates helped me a lot, so thanks! The coaches also gave me a lot of tips in practice, and their help raised m confidence, so I'm thankful for that as well.
Bisu
Thoughts on clinching the match?
We're now facing our first ever SWL playoff final, and I helped us get there with my own two hands. It's an incredible feeling. In SWL, our team often goes into a deep slump, but this season our goal in SWL is to be the best. I'm extremely happy.
Was your game against Jaedong very tense?
When s2 lost, I thought “I might have to go up too.” So I was a little nervous. Also, Fantasy got a bad spawn, so he lost out in the opening. At that point I knew I had to prepare to play. When I stood up on stage, I started shaking. I haven't played for some time, much less been our team's ace player. My mental state was half nervous half pumped.
Did you prepare mainly to play on Fortress SE?
Before, I had a very solid grasp of this map. Even though I was fine with playing on any map, the coaches didn't finalize the lineup until we reached the stadium. I told the coaches, “I've got a lot of confidence playing on Fortress SE.” So they let me play in game 7.
You played unbelievably well against Jaedong.
My PvZ has lately been terrible. I lost a lot in practice, and my confidence was declining. So today I was worried that I wouldn't be able to play well, but I ended up doing fine. My PvZ has been in a vicious cycle, but beating Jaedong today helped me break out somewhat. Of course, if I had lost, that would have stoked me too. But I'm confident that my teammates can snipe opposing Protoss or Terran, so I can concentrate on PvZ. (haha)
Your team's record against KT in SWL is bad, but you'll have to face them again in the finals.
I don't know if KT is this good against other teams, but against us, they're insanely good. I don't know why, but I feel like this will be a very intense match. If I play well, I think we can beat them. But the odd thing is, whenever I face KT I become very chobo. (haha)
Are there any players you want to face in particular?
No matter who I play, I'll strive to win. I remember losing to all of KT's players, so this time I have to repay the favor. I haven't seen the map order yet, but when I get back and see it, I'll listen to the coaches' lineup choices.
What are your expectations for your match against KT?
Some might think KT's only truly good player is Flash, but that's definitely not true. I want to make a breakthrough in this series, but I've been playing badly lately, so I don't think it'll happen (haha). I've had confidence, but the games just ended up going badly. It reveals part of me too. My PvT and PvP have been bad, so if I can win against KT's Protoss or Terran, it'll impact me deeply.
Anything else?
It's been 6 months since our last meeting in the finals. Our corporate sponsor also wants us to win, so we must win. We already lost to KT once, so to give our team the courage to win, I must personally succeed. Also, thanks to Hyuk and Soo, who helped me practice.
Coach Park
After the match, Coach Park said, "Often, when we face KT, they knock us down. This time, we have to take revenge."
During the series, after Jaedong obtained a 2-kill, Coach Park looked very worried. Coach Park explained: "In the game against s2, Jaedong showed a resolute courage, even beyond his demeanor in the past." However, Coach Park said of the following game, "Bisu practiced very little for game 7, but he still performed admirably. Jaedong went for spire tech as he commonly does, so we capitalized."
Finally, regarding their upcoming match against KT, Coach Park remarked, "We have a trump card that can top Flash." He added, "This strategy we're refining is a primarily vT strategy. However, KT recently acquired Crazy-Hydra for their Zerg line, their Protoss line is looking strong as ever, and Action continues to grow. Their 3 lineups are all looking formidable. We need to consider the entirety of KT as we prepare. And we'll definitely win."
source: http://playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=226415&extra=page=1
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Ssak is doing business. Next: three kill?
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"Your expectations for your match against SKT?"
It should be KT, not SKT.
Thanks for translating that fast !
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United States4053 Posts
On April 02 2011 18:25 endy wrote:
"Your expectations for your match against SKT?"
It should be KT, not SKT.
Thanks for translating that fast !
blah yes, fixed
s2 & bisu up
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I don't know if KT is this good against other teams, but against us, they're insanely good.
QFT. Hoping for great games next week!!!
HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE
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thanks infinitestory for translating. i'm really appreciate it :D
Ssak, he surprised me again with his 2kills.
Congrats SKT and thank you Ssak, s2 and Bisu :D
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Is it just me, or do all of Bisu's interviews consist of him talking about how bad/nervous/lacking in confidence he is?
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What are your expectations for your match against KT?
Some might think KT's only truly good player is Flash, but that's definitely not true. I want to make a breakthrough in this series, but I've been playing badly lately, so I don't think it'll happen (haha). I've had confidence, but the games just ended up going badly. It reveals part of me too. My PvT and PvT have been bad, so if I can win against KT's Protoss or Terran, it'll impact me deeply.
Thanks for the translation! Bisu's interview seems a bit different this time... maybe a bit talkative or something.
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On April 02 2011 18:43 TheJoyBringer wrote:Show nested quote +What are your expectations for your match against KT?
Some might think KT's only truly good player is Flash, but that's definitely not true. I want to make a breakthrough in this series, but I've been playing badly lately, so I don't think it'll happen (haha). I've had confidence, but the games just ended up going badly. It reveals part of me too. My PvT and PvT have been bad, so if I can win against KT's Protoss or Terran, it'll impact me deeply. Thanks for the translation! Bisu's interview seems a bit different this time... maybe a bit talkative or something.
PvT is that bad huh...
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this interview is blasphemy, ssak didnt bm flash at all
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Thanks for the translation!
What a good series! I really had fun watching the last 3 games. 
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10387 Posts
Is Bisu just doing mindgames to lull Flash/Stats into underestimating him in the finals
or maybe he's really serious :\
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Woah, Bisu really seems very humble and human in the interview.... considering he played amazing in that match!!!! but $#!@# i hate SSak so much
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Stats will have his blood ! 
On April 02 2011 19:27 ArvickHero wrote:
Is Bisu just doing mindgames to lull Flash/Stats into underestimating him in the finals
or maybe he's really serious :\
this year he lost vs stats, action and flash in the proleague, I get what he is saying (he historically sucked vs fOrGG who he beat in round 1)
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hope to see more of this interview next week! lololol :p thanks for the translation!
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On April 02 2011 19:27 ArvickHero wrote:
Is Bisu just doing mindgames to lull Flash/Stats into underestimating him in the finals
or maybe he's really serious :\
That would be like opposite to what oov believes :D
Lee Ssang killers :D
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Thanks for the fast translation~
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Ahh this'l be so awesome, thanks a lot
By the by, I don't think Bisu really wanted to say
My PvT and PvT have been bad, so if I can win against KT's Protoss or Terran, it'll impact me deeply.
Thanks loads anyways
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10387 Posts
holy crap they didn't even bother to correct the mistakes LOL
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ROFLMAO The translator note copy pasted into Ssak's interview points in that direction. hahahahaha
1. FOMOS [KR]
2. PLAY SC: KR -> CN
3. TL: CN -> EN
4. ?????
5. FOMOS [EN]: PROFIT
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Haha, that is absolutely hilarious. Still, it might be better than a potentially Engrishy translation :p
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This begs the question... who wrote the English live reports?
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Bisu lost a lot of PvZ in practice @.@ SKT Zergs' ZvP must be crazy good :O
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On April 02 2011 20:53 Lachrymose wrote:"Enjoy e-Sports & http://www.fomos.kr Unauthorized copying and redistribution prohibited"
To be fair, that statement exists on pretty much every news/article post on fomos.
On April 02 2011 20:37 andrea20 wrote:
This begs the question... who wrote the English live reports?
you could ask daniel lee http://twitter.com/superdanielman
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Dominican Republic913 Posts
Bisu played very well that game vs jaedong very surprised i was. thanks for the interview
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oh my god!!! i can't wait for SKT KT finals!!! i hope skt bags this... but flash and the final boss, stats! uh-oh but stats is not doing good lately so i hope skt wins! let's do this!!!
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United States4053 Posts
wef
some guy commented that my sentences look "basic," like "elementary school" ;=;
On April 02 2011 20:17 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
ROFLMAO The translator note copy pasted into Ssak's interview points in that direction. hahahahaha
i've edited this t/n out, since I went back and checked the LR to confirm Ssak used 2fac.
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5003 Posts
Totally called it. Fomos english site is an utter joke.
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Let's lynchburn the guy who did this!
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On April 03 2011 02:53 infinitestory wrote:wef some guy commented that my sentences look "basic," like "elementary school" ;=;
Ignore. Korean netizens are nothing but trolls.
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My PvZ has lately been terrible. I lost a lot in practice, and my confidence was declining.
Also, thanks to Hyuk and Soo, who helped me practice.
Hmm....
Anybody else remember Hyuk's MST interview? How the only SKT player he is afraid of is Fantasy?
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Wow, s2 is pretty dam sexy
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lol, is this what fomos meant by having english translations? That's really funny, but kinda sad.
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On April 03 2011 03:11 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 02:53 infinitestory wrote:wef some guy commented that my sentences look "basic," like "elementary school" ;=; Ignore. Korean netizens are nothing but trolls.
Ditto that. Your sentences are fine, there are just bitter, malignant people in life and many of them use the internet as an outlet.
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Very nice series, glad I stayed up for it. Mighta been a bit painful for Oz fans, but it ended just the way everyone wanted it to- Bisu vs. JD in Ace. Again, perhaps a bit painful for JD fans, but I thought the game was very exciting. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time.
Looking forward to SKT vs. KT finals!
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is fomos going to say that they copy it???
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Dude shouldn't you like contact them about that? That is blatant bullshit? Seriously, lawsuit.
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Well article is Fomos property... Did translator ask permission to translate it? if not then they could use it. Unethical though.
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United States4053 Posts
On April 03 2011 04:07 ILOVEKITTENS wrote:
Dude shouldn't you like contact them about that? That is blatant bullshit? Seriously, lawsuit.
TL translators do this for the community anyway...
but I hope at least they put translation credits where credits are due in the future ,_,
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United States5582 Posts
Thanks for the translation! Bisu sounds too lacking in confidence as always, classic Bisu right there.
I don't like what Fomos is doing... I mean yeah, TL translators do this for the community and stuff, but it would be nice if Fomos at least credited the translator/TL in the future. In fact, they should do that, because srsly, stealing from us without credit looks so embarrassing. ==;
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5003 Posts
Just do DES translations only in the future imo
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United States4053 Posts
Added a couple quotes from Coach Park.
Incidentally, they're not from FOMOS.
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Thanks a lot for the translations. Gotta be an amazing final!
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Well yea I understand that but contact them and tell them that it's not acceptable and that they need to credit you if they will use your work.
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oh, coach park so mysterious. a weapon to take out flash, jeez who could that be. best is mia for so long could it be him? :X
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Bisu is unconfident, yet he ROLFSTOMPED jaedong?
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@Milkis: The thing is, infinitestory translates from chinese source, which only translates fomos articles... I think.
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On April 03 2011 07:20 supernovamaniac wrote:
@Milkis: The thing is, infinitestory translates from chinese source, which only translates fomos articles... I think.
don't see why that allows them the right to copy paste without permission.
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"Enjoy e-Sports & http://www.fomos.kr Unauthorized copying and redistribution prohibited"
LOL
And SKT Fighting!
O and big thanks for the translation. You should make them give credit to you infinitestory.
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United States4053 Posts
On April 03 2011 07:28 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:20 supernovamaniac wrote:
@Milkis: The thing is, infinitestory translates from chinese source, which only translates fomos articles... I think. don't see why that allows them the right to copy paste without permission.
i'll leave a comment saying "Please make sure to credit the translator(s) at teamliquid.net if you use their work again in the future~"
how's that sound?
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On April 03 2011 07:33 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:28 Milkis wrote:On April 03 2011 07:20 supernovamaniac wrote:
@Milkis: The thing is, infinitestory translates from chinese source, which only translates fomos articles... I think. don't see why that allows them the right to copy paste without permission. i'll leave a comment saying "Please make sure to credit the translator(s) at teamliquid.net if you use their work again in the future~" how's that sound?
Don't bother. There'll be talks with fomos rather soon about this issue.
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United States4053 Posts
On April 03 2011 07:37 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:33 infinitestory wrote:On April 03 2011 07:28 Milkis wrote:On April 03 2011 07:20 supernovamaniac wrote:
@Milkis: The thing is, infinitestory translates from chinese source, which only translates fomos articles... I think. don't see why that allows them the right to copy paste without permission. i'll leave a comment saying "Please make sure to credit the translator(s) at teamliquid.net if you use their work again in the future~" how's that sound? Don't bother. There'll be talks with fomos rather soon about this issue.
oh boy srs bsns ,_,
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On April 03 2011 07:28 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:20 supernovamaniac wrote:
@Milkis: The thing is, infinitestory translates from chinese source, which only translates fomos articles... I think. don't see why that allows them the right to copy paste without permission.
In fact do we have the right to translate those articles and post here ?
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A pretty good amount of our translations are off the Chinese translations, so yes
sdm:
@SaintSnorlax and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol. 6 minutes ago via web in reply to SaintSnorlax
@SaintSnorlax lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal 9 minutes ago via web in reply to SaintSnorlax
because we all know 2 wrongs = 1 right
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On April 03 2011 07:28 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:20 supernovamaniac wrote:
@Milkis: The thing is, infinitestory translates from chinese source, which only translates fomos articles... I think. don't see why that allows them the right to copy paste without permission.
Nonono I wasn't talking about copy paste issue, I was referring to translating DES articles.
Unless the Chinese website also translate DES articles.
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On April 03 2011 05:05 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Well article is Fomos property... Did translator ask permission to translate it? if not then they could use it. Unethical though.
Well, the ethics of TL getting hits from their interviews is kind of questionable too, even if we do link to the source.
The only thing that is weird, is why the hell would they want to be dependent on a bunch of people who do this for free and could burn out/randomly decide they don't feel like it. I get the feeling maybe someone who was supposed to do the translation for them just took the easy way out, and will do translations for things he can't just steal. Maybe. Pure inane speculation.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Ugh, Jaedong almost brought it home:<, ow well he tried. Hiy ashould have been send over Dear imo, but what done is done. What I am more interested in is how the hell is SKT going to beat KT. I assume that Ssak will need to be used to attempt to kill Flash(he only beat him once though, so I am not convinced AT ALL but Ssak his TvT looks quite solid). But last time Stats AKED so...... good luck SKT, yoiu will need it.
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KT Flash is waiting.
Love awkward interview of s2 who win one and lost one. They call it assist. I call it a trade off.
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Thanks for the interview.
Here's hoping Coach Park does have a master plan, though as he noted, KT is looking solid on most fronts atm.
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Lol Bisu saying my PVZ is terrible..
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On April 03 2011 09:26 Louuster wrote:
Lol Bisu saying my PVZ is terrible..
Happens to anyone who practices with HyuK
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On April 03 2011 10:10 cabarkapa wrote:Happens to anyone who practices with HyuK
If Hyuk and Bisu are on a team kill collision in the individual leagues, I'm rooting for Hyuk. :D
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On April 03 2011 06:35 disciple wrote:
oh, coach park so mysterious. a weapon to take out flash, jeez who could that be. best is mia for so long could it be him? :X
Not quite. The correct answer is
+ Show Spoiler +
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So the Fomos translator just copied and pasted the translation from here. Fomos should have vetted the article before allowing it to be published. Unprofessional. At the end of Korean articles, the IDs of the Korean reporters are always stated, they should do the same for the English translations.
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Omg love the hype, can't wait and I HOPE bisu does 3 kill  or maybe best ALL KILL would be fantastic.
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While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given).
What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this:
lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal
and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol.
if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc.
Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin
With, that includes pics as well
Actions will be taken especially if someone is profiting from it
So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic.
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On April 03 2011 07:20 supernovamaniac wrote:
@Milkis: The thing is, infinitestory translates from chinese source, which only translates fomos articles... I think.
Not true.
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Yeah, pissing off the English community by threatening them doesn't seem logical, especially when doing it to setup an English site ostensibly targeted towards those very same people.
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Just read this on SDM's twitter:
All the translations wiil be reposted on fomos, send me ur full name and intentions I will post ur names along with it.
So translators will get credits
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is it just me or something happen to milkis's twitter
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On April 03 2011 11:36 Cambium wrote:Just read this on SDM's twitter: Show nested quote +All the translations wiil be reposted on fomos, send me ur full name and intentions I will post ur names along with it. So translators will get credits
i thought it will be their own translation but w/e, they should post name and the link from teamliquid
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^I'd love to see that happen, but I doubt that it would.
I might be something like milkis@TL
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On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given). What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this: Show nested quote +lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal Show nested quote +if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc. Show nested quote +Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic.
What's with this sense of entitlement you guys have? You guys pissed him off by bitching at him. Talk about double standards. Shit from fomos is taken all the time, it doesnt matter if you cite the source, people been doing w/e they want for years. Few translations of their original interviews are taken and people are outraged?
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United States10328 Posts
On April 03 2011 12:01 FakePlasticLove wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given). What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this: lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol. if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc. Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin With, that includes pics as well Actions will be taken especially if someone is profiting from it So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic. What's with this sense of entitlement you guys have? You guys pissed him off by bitching at him. Talk about double standards. Shit from fomos is taken all the time, it doesnt matter if you cite the source, people been doing w/e they want for years. Few translations of their original interviews are taken and people are outraged?
Translators a) always cite the source, and b) actually do something other than copy/paste (and spend a good deal of time to do the translation; average post-Proleague translation is around 15-30 minutes/interview at least.) I guess TL doesn't have much right to rage at him, but I think Fomos/SDM should have the decency to thank the translator.
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United States33339 Posts
It's just such a basic courtesy to acknowledge someone's labor, especially when it was done for completely selfless reasons. If Fomos wants to begin taking issue with TL as a site, then that's perfectly fine. But there should be some respect shown to the individual users, the foreign fans of BW who are the reason Daniel Lee has this job in the first place.
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On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given). What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this: Show nested quote +lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal Show nested quote +if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc. Show nested quote +Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic.
i just saw it on his twitter and that pisses me off to.....mb the translator should just stop translating fomos.btw its not like tl is getting profit from it i think.
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On April 03 2011 12:01 FakePlasticLove wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given). What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this: lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol. if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc. Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin With, that includes pics as well Actions will be taken especially if someone is profiting from it So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic. What's with this sense of entitlement you guys have? You guys pissed him off by bitching at him. Talk about double standards. Shit from fomos is taken all the time, it doesnt matter if you cite the source, people been doing w/e they want for years. Few translations of their original interviews are taken and people are outraged?
Translating an article and copy/pasting an article are completely different things. Doing a translation, the process itself, is a re-creation of the original content: the translator essentially re-writes the entire article in his own words based on his interpretations.
This is besides the point because translating something without authorization is copyright infringement.
Two wrongs do not make a right.
On April 03 2011 12:12 jaiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given). What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this: lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol. if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc. Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin With, that includes pics as well Actions will be taken especially if someone is profiting from it So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic. i just saw it on his twitter and that pisses me off to.....mb the translator should just stop translating fomos.btw its not like tl is getting profit from it i think.
This is grey territory. TL is getting hits based on translations based on Fomos articles, so...
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good things happen when we play ssak and s2 and not sun and soo. keep it up!
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I'm starting to hate this man .. hmmm.
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It would be nice if they referred TLs translation or provided some form of credit, but we take things from fomos all the time (with credit to them), so it I wouldn't be enraged enough to confront them with it. If it becomes their standard then I would begin to have a problem with it.
More on-topic, I'm beginning to like s2 + Ssak more and more. Nice to see them delivering for T1.
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I think its fine if Fomos just credits it like this (note it doesn't have url to translation source as original article is from Fomos):
Translated by Teamliquid.net translator infinitestory.
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On April 03 2011 13:05 Grobyc wrote:
More on-topic, I'm beginning to like s2 + Ssak more and more. Nice to see them delivering for KT.
i certainly hope they dont deliver for KT lol
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On April 03 2011 13:10 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 13:05 Grobyc wrote:
More on-topic, I'm beginning to like s2 + Ssak more and more. Nice to see them delivering for KT. i certainly hope they dont deliver for KT lol
are they going to hyuk themselves?
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I'd feel uncomfortable if my translations were taken for profit by Fomos with a copy-paste lol.
Fomos implies they're gonna put work and effort into setting up an English site, which would be awesome...then it turns out they're just copy pasting our work and trying to profit off it, and then they get aggressive and threaten "action" against the translators that they're taking content from lol...
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On April 03 2011 12:12 jaiBing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 11:20 moopie wrote:While Daniel Lee has the right to do and say what he did, I feel that his actions are really counterproductive to the community. Since his eSTRO days he has been trying to "bring e-sports to the west" and now he is helping fomos set up an english site, thats great. Similarly, TL translators have put time and effort for a long time now to translate and bring interviews/articles to the non-korean speaking population, and a source is always included in the translation (so credit is given). What Daniel could have done, was copy/paste the translations, and add a line in the bottom along the lines of "Content by fomos, translations by ____ of tl.net" (or similar). Everybody wins. He gets free translations to post, translators would be reaching a bigger base, and fomos establishes a better relationship with TL. Instead, he posts this: lol everybody's been stealing material from fomos for years without permission, read the bottom of every article,not legal and the pics being used everywhere as their content, highly illegal lol. if I see fomos content being used anywhere other than fomos, pics too, it's gonna come back right where it's supposed to,translations,etc. Don't take fomos content without permission,its illegal. Don't bitch at me for bringing back wut is rightfully fomos's property to begin With, that includes pics as well Actions will be taken especially if someone is profiting from it So instead of thanking the people who volunteer their time to bring these interviews to the rest of the world, he prefers to call them thieves and threaten them with 'actions', thus alienating parts of a community instead of unifying it. So if translators stop translating (or move to DES sources instead), Daniel loses out on translations. This means either doing all the translations himself, finding his own staff of volunteers or not have english translations on fomos. And for what? ego? I don't see the logic. i just saw it on his twitter and that pisses me off to.....mb the translator should just stop translating fomos.btw its not like tl is getting profit from it i think. I dont think TL is a non-profit organisation.. Even if there is no direct revenue mechanism related to the article translations posted here, they do indirectly increase ad hits & content popularity so the charity argument isnt really valid
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On April 03 2011 17:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
I'd feel uncomfortable if my translations were taken for profit by Fomos with a copy-paste lol.
Fomos implies they're gonna put work and effort into setting up an English site, which would be awesome...then it turns out they're just copy pasting our work and trying to profit off it, and then they get aggressive and threaten "action" against the translators that they're taking content from lol...
So we stop translating than and let fomos do the job instead so they can't profit from tl.net translation !
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Hyuk will all-kill in any king-of-the-hill format finals
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This interview is so unlike a normal SKT interview--they show a healthy amount of respect for KT. Makes me want to be less of an anti-fan. But then I read Lightwip's posts...
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On April 03 2011 18:56 l0st_romantic wrote:
This interview is so unlike a normal SKT interview--they show a healthy amount of respect for KT. Makes me want to be less of an anti-fan. But then I read Lightwip's posts...
Trivia: Fantasy was on the same clan as Flash ^-^
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I want to see this vT strategy. Prolly a TvT one.
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Oh wow, fomos. To what extent can you fail? And I was wondering what all those copy-pasta comment from the English announcement article was all about -_-. I have no problem with it if they start including credits as stated, but just in case you should put random author's note including your ID in middle of your translation =/
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I like how we have been "stealing" stuff from fomos when almost everything taken from fomos WE LINK AND GIVE CREDIT to fomos directly. Which in turn should increase hits on the fomos site!
all we were asking was to give whoever did the translation credit if you do copy-paste it.
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On April 03 2011 22:57 saritenite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 18:56 l0st_romantic wrote:
This interview is so unlike a normal SKT interview--they show a healthy amount of respect for KT. Makes me want to be less of an anti-fan. But then I read Lightwip's posts... Trivia: Fantasy was on the same clan as Flash ^-^
my mind is always blown by their clan. http://cafe.daum.net/ClanBY. they shouldn't be allowed to be so good... even still they have fantasy, flash, kal, hero, movie, snow, hydra, baby... ~_~
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On April 03 2011 18:56 l0st_romantic wrote:
This interview is so unlike a normal SKT interview--they show a healthy amount of respect for KT. Makes me want to be less of an anti-fan. But then I read Lightwip's posts...
reading your posts arguably do the same effect to any non-KT fan.
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oo that's so weird. Did Fomos make the english site with the intent of 100 percent relying on TL translators contents or do they have additional contents. I haven't seen their english section tbh so i can't tell. It seems kinda weird to open up a side business and to rely the TL translators translating their stuff. Did they take the Best interview as well?
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