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On June 09 2013 12:09 julealgon wrote:What a fantastic thread! I had just posted this today: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=416478#5One of the first replies redirected me here and I'm in awe! My first immediate suggestion (which actually relates to my thread) would be to create a "Lockdown" or "Ghost" category. Would that be feasible? I noticed there is a "Mind Control" category already (I know mind control is usually more of a game changer though). ... Anyways, I will CERTAINLY watch most of the videos in the OP still. This thread is almost a dream come true to me, thanks a lot qrs! You're welcome: glad you enjoyed.
The categories are somewhat haphazard: there's no reason there shouldn't be a "Lockdown" or "Ghost" category except that I never added it. If you could give me the numbers of a few videos in the OP that fit one of those categories, I'd be happy to add the category to the OP.
On June 11 2013 09:52 Elyvilon wrote:
The VOD for #5 is private. Thanks, I'd missed that one (all the MBC-owned VODs on the Nevake account were set to private after MBC lodged a complaint). I've replaced it with an English commentary version by Cholera.
Thanks for the renewed interest and votes, everyone! As a result, I've moved two games out of the main list in the OP. I'll add a couple more to take their places, but it's getting late here, so I'll do that later.
Edit: added game #113:
113.  sAviOr vs  free; Neo Requiem; GOM Classic Season 2, Ro32 (2nd game); 2008-11-16
VOD
+ Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +One player launches an early attack, the other counter-attacks, and before you can spit three times, sAviOr is trading bases with a Protoss on Neo Requiem. Again. (cf. game #26)
+ Show Spoiler [Worth watching? (Poll)] +Poll: Is Savior vs. Free on Neo Requiem worth watching?Yes (7) 100% No (0) 0% 7 total votes Your vote: Is Savior vs. Free on Neo Requiem worth watching? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Edit 2: and for counterpoint, an earlier game between these two in a GOM-sponsored event, recommended by the great Ver, himself.
114. sAviOr vs free; Zodiac; GOMTV MSL 3, Quarterfinals (4th game); 2007-10-25
+ Show Spoiler [VOD] +
+ Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +On March 03 2011 08:03 Ver wrote:
5 gas Muta/Sunken.
+ Show Spoiler [Worth watching? (Poll)] +Poll: Is Savior vs. Free on Zodiac worth watching?Yes (3) 100% No (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Is Savior vs. Free on Zodiac worth watching? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
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If you've watched most of the games in the OP and you're looking for more: let me put in a plug for the "games that might be worth watching list". While the games there were not as universally liked as the others, they were all nominated by at least one person, and several of them are very close to the (essentially arbitrary) cutoff point for putting a game in the "Hall of Fame" archive.
Even the games that got mostly "No" votes might be better than they seem. I just watched game #77, which had only 1 "yes" votes to five "no" votes until just now—but in fact the game is much more interesting than the vote would indicate. I blame the negative vote on the original, uninformative description, combined with the fact that the novelty of this game is subtle enough that it's easy to miss if you're not watching the opening carefully, but IMHO, the innovative opening is enough on its own to justify a watch—and it doesn't hurt that the other player in the game is one of the best of all time.
77.  Hwasin vs Jaedong; Blue Storm; Proleague; 2008-06-24
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+ Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +On March 02 2011 14:34 Pyrthas wrote:
Factory before depot, baby!
+ Show Spoiler [Worth watching? (Poll)] +Poll: Is Hwasin vs Jaedong on Blue Storm worth watching?No (6) 67% Yes (3) 33% 9 total votes Your vote: Is Hwasin vs Jaedong on Blue Storm worth watching? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
+ Show Spoiler [Comments from the thread] +On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Hwasin vs. Jaedong on Blue Storm (PL): Another nice cheese build. Terrans love cheesing JD. On March 02 2011 14:34 Pyrthas wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 08:45 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Hwasin vs. Jaedong on Blue Storm (PL): Another nice cheese build. Terrans love cheesing JD. Seconding this. Factory before depot, baby! Hwasin did it again against hyvaa on Holy World in Bacchus2009. Not sure if you want to include both, or neither, or just one, or whatever, but here are the videos: [VODs]
Another VOD in the "Games that might be worth watching" section that is definitely worth watching, IMO, is game #96, Ruby vs Flash. Yes, it may not be the sort of thing you're expecting when you click on it, but isn't that what this thread is all about? Besides, it's a unique footnote in Starcraft history, and it takes so little of your time, how could it not be worth the watch?
96. RuBy vs Flash; Circuit Breaker; Proleague; 2010-10-26
VOD (no need to watch past the end of the game: a discussion by the Kespa refs follows, but their decision is to let the result stand)
+ Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +Shortest Kespa-ranked game ever.
+ Show Spoiler [Worth watching? (Poll)] +Poll: Is Ruby vs Flash on Circuit Breaker worth watching?Yes (15) 68% No (7) 32% 22 total votes Your vote: Is Ruby vs Flash on Circuit Breaker worth watching? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
+ Show Spoiler [Comments from the thread] +On March 12 2011 23:52 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 23:42 LightningStrike wrote:On March 12 2011 13:10 Conversion wrote:
wasn't there a PL game between ruby and barracks (i think it was barracks?) that was the fastest modern TvT?
i think it was proxy rax or fact vs 14 cc. I think it was Ruby vs Bogus in Proleague [VOD] It wasn't the Fastest modern TvT but it is pretty short Fastest modern TvT [VOD] On March 13 2011 00:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2011 23:52 hacklebeast wrote:On March 12 2011 23:42 LightningStrike wrote:On March 12 2011 13:10 Conversion wrote:
wasn't there a PL game between ruby and barracks (i think it was barracks?) that was the fastest modern TvT?
i think it was proxy rax or fact vs 14 cc. I think it was Ruby vs Bogus in Proleague [VOD] It wasn't the Fastest modern TvT but it is pretty short Fastest modern TvT [VOD] LOL wow i love how fast the game was ^^
Finally, I've added one more game to the OP: game #115. This one went straight to the "Hall of Fame" because it had already garnered over 20 votes in its poll.
115. Flash vs BeSt; Jade; Proleague; 2012-02-19
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+ Show Spoiler [What makes this unusual?] +Think you know what a bunker rush is? Watch and learn.
+ Show Spoiler [Worth watching? (Poll)] +Poll: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching?Yes (22) 85% No (4) 15% 26 total votes Your vote: Is Flash vs Best on Jade worth watching? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
+ Show Spoiler [Comments from the thread] +On February 20 2012 08:40 qrs wrote:
OMG, anybody who is remotely interested in the sort of games contained in this thread, you have got to see Flash vs Best from the recent KT vs SKT match.
[VOD]
I don't even know what to say about this one. I mean, in a way it's sort of the logical culmination of the playstyle that Flash has been using since the season began, but in another way, you've really got to see it to believe it.
To recommend this game from a different angle, if this bears any weight with you, I was getting tired of the games in this thread. As unusual as they may have been, gather them all together in one place and even these games started looking the same, most of them. Proxies, uncommon units, uncommon abilities, I'd seen it all.
I'd never seen a game like this one.
This game could have been theorycrafted by a six-year-old. It took Flash to play it.
Go watch it already! On February 20 2012 09:34 LightningStrike wrote:
This game is indeed unusal due to the fact that flash 8 rax bunker rush 1 gate core to hell and sucessed on winning without a factory and only 1 rax of rines :o On February 20 2012 09:42 iSometric wrote:
Flash just had excellent game sense and practice so he can just fuck over whoever 90% of the time. On February 20 2012 09:45 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 09:34 LightningStrike wrote:
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This game is indeed unusal due to the fact that flash 8 rax bunker rush 1 gate core to hell and sucessed on winning without a factory and only 1 rax of rines :o Yes, from the amount of "no" votes in this poll and the one in the LR thread, it seems clear that lots of people didn't like this game, but I don't see how anyone could deny that this one is unusual. This game is to bunker rushing what the Jaedong vs Iris game (#63) is to mutalisk harassment. On February 20 2012 10:28 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 09:45 qrs wrote:
Yes, from the amount of "no" votes in this poll and the one in the LR thread, it seems clear that lots of people didn't like this game, but I don't see how anyone could deny that this one is unusual. This game is to bunker rushing what the Jaedong vs Iris game (#63) is to mutalisk harassment. What you just said is very true it bugged me because i accualy thought it was a funny game and rec'd the game but alot people hate it due to extreme cheese and also makes me wonder how flash manged to just use 1 rax rines and still destory best as he shoulda made another rax so more rines can come and reinforce :\ but still amazing game play from flash + Show Spoiler +Best got unlucky overall but still funny game
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+ Show Spoiler [77] +77 is a well thought out opening (I've seen fac before depot once or twice on Aztec, but this one is probably better). I think it gets downvotes for being kind of a slow-death for Jaedong. He hangs on miraculously for awhile, but he never seems in a position to swing the pendulum back, isn't able to put real pressure back on his opponent after forcing him to cancel one CC, and eventually just wastes away. It doesn't help that the video resolution is a little bad. Not super unusual and not super action packed, but a well executed cheese which Hwansin holds the advantage of right through to the end. Not super sure how I want to vote on it.
+ Show Spoiler [97] +97 is fine. It's not interesting because of the game, but it's worth having in the OP as a joke. I don't feel strongly about it, but I'll give it a yes because this is a database of weird stuff.
+ Show Spoiler [115] +I don't even need to open the VOD because I know what game this is and it is great lol.Yes vote of course.
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Game 1 is private. What the hell <_<
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On June 14 2013 23:02 Chef wrote:+ Show Spoiler [77] +77 is a well thought out opening (I've seen fac before depot once or twice on Aztec, but this one is probably better). I think it gets downvotes for being kind of a slow-death for Jaedong. He hangs on miraculously for awhile, but he never seems in a position to swing the pendulum back, isn't able to put real pressure back on his opponent after forcing him to cancel one CC, and eventually just wastes away. It doesn't help that the video resolution is a little bad. Not super unusual and not super action packed, but a well executed cheese which Hwansin holds the advantage of right through to the end. Not super sure how I want to vote on it. Well, one thing I'd like to say is that people should vote based on the game quality, not the video quality, because another video may be (or become) available. As for the game: I agree that after the opening, it was not particularly unusual, but I had never seen an opening like this one before, and I thought it was worth watching for that alone. You say you've seen it a couple of times on Aztec: is there something about that map or Blue Storm that conduces to this opening? I suppose easy walling-off is one necessary factor; is there anything else?
BTW, it's fine by me if you vote "no" on the game: I reposted it to expose it to people who might have overlooked it, not to influence their votes.
+ Show Spoiler [97] +97 is fine. It's not interesting because of the game, but it's worth having in the OP as a joke. I don't feel strongly about it, but I'll give it a yes because this is a database of weird stuff. It's back in the main list now, owing to recent voting.
+ Show Spoiler [115] +I don't even need to open the VOD because I know what game this is and it is great lol.Yes vote of course. Ah, thanks for drawing my attention to that poll: I see I messed up and accidentally made a new one for that game. I've replaced it with the original poll now (which means that your vote was lost; sorry!).
On June 14 2013 23:45 Figgy wrote:
Game 1 is private. What the hell <_< Do you think I'm constantly going through every VOD linked in the OP to see whether it's been taken down? When people tell me about something, I fix it. I've replaced the VOD for game 1 now.
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Bisutopia19391 Posts
I'm going to start casting these tonight since the sonic matches from today weren't available and I already have a calender event listed. I'm thinking Base Trades would be a fun one to start with.
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On June 15 2013 01:37 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2013 23:02 Chef wrote:+ Show Spoiler [77] +77 is a well thought out opening (I've seen fac before depot once or twice on Aztec, but this one is probably better). I think it gets downvotes for being kind of a slow-death for Jaedong. He hangs on miraculously for awhile, but he never seems in a position to swing the pendulum back, isn't able to put real pressure back on his opponent after forcing him to cancel one CC, and eventually just wastes away. It doesn't help that the video resolution is a little bad. Not super unusual and not super action packed, but a well executed cheese which Hwansin holds the advantage of right through to the end. Not super sure how I want to vote on it. Well, one thing I'd like to say is that people should vote based on the game quality, not the video quality, because another video may be (or become) available. As for the game: I agree that after the opening, it was not particularly unusual, but I had never seen an opening like this one before, and I thought it was worth watching for that alone. You say you've seen it a couple of times on Aztec: is there something about that map or Blue Storm that conduces to this opening? I suppose easy walling-off is one necessary factor; is there anything else? BTW, it's fine by me if you vote "no" on the game: I reposted it to expose it to people who might have overlooked it, not to influence their votes.
I didn't vote because I'm not sure how interesting it is. I think when someone sees a game in hall of fame in this thread, it should definitely be worth watching. This one is iffy because there are a lot of far better games.
+ Show Spoiler +The proxy location is good on blue storm, and unless zerg had the practice to send a drone to that landing location when the fac goes down, he is unlikely to see it. I'm not sure if a second overlord gets to see it in good time. It's normally a very Zerg map, so you can give the Terran credit for getting a fact there so early. Probably Zergs are checking for a later proxy timing there. 7fac is not brand new tho, just not seen too often in pro games. Of course the reason that map is good for zerg is the mutalisk harass, which Jaedong never got to do. It's a straight loss if Zerg does drone scout or 9pool or anything. On a map like that tho, and against a player of that caliber, you might as well pull out the 1-time only cheese.
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Bisutopia19391 Posts
Casted 5 hall of fame base trade games tonight. It was tons of fun. Here's the channel to watch the vods: http://www.twitch.tv/bisudagger
Qrs I showered you with love on my stream, but thanks again for this thread.
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On June 15 2013 12:45 BisuDagger wrote:Casted 5 hall of fame base trade games tonight. It was tons of fun. Here's the channel to watch the vods: http://www.twitch.tv/bisudaggerQrs I showered you with love on my stream, but thanks again for this thread.
time to watch some amazing games !!!
hellyeaaaah 
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On June 15 2013 12:45 BisuDagger wrote:Casted 5 hall of fame base trade games tonight. It was tons of fun. Here's the channel to watch the vods: http://www.twitch.tv/bisudaggerQrs I showered you with love on my stream, but thanks again for this thread. You're welcome, and thanks for mentioning me. ♥ you too. BTW, if those games are going to stay up on your Twitch account, I could link to them as English commentary VODs for those games.
In other news, I added game #116 to the Hall of Fame, and with that I'm probably done updating this thread for a while.
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Bisutopia19391 Posts
On June 17 2013 22:02 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 12:45 BisuDagger wrote:Casted 5 hall of fame base trade games tonight. It was tons of fun. Here's the channel to watch the vods: http://www.twitch.tv/bisudaggerQrs I showered you with love on my stream, but thanks again for this thread. You're welcome, and thanks for mentioning me. ♥ you too. BTW, if those games are going to stay up on your Twitch account, I could link to them as English commentary VODs for those games. In other news, I added game #116 to the Hall of Fame, and with that I'm probably done updating this thread for a while.
Yeah I can add em to youtube too if that's preferable.
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I dont know if this is the right way to do it, but i'd like to point out that the vod with game #21 is private.
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On June 27 2013 08:43 Yorbon wrote:
I dont know if this is the right way to do it, but i'd like to point out that the vod with game #21 is private.
I think you're posting it in the right place based on this post on the same page.
qrs wrote:Do you think I'm constantly going through every VOD linked in the OP to see whether it's been taken down? When people tell me about something, I fix it. I've replaced the VOD for game 1 now.
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I'm sure I've said it somewhere in here before, but this is a fantastic thread.
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^Thanks!
On June 27 2013 08:43 Yorbon wrote:
I dont know if this is the right way to do it, but i'd like to point out that the vod with game #21 is private. OK, I updated the VOD for that one, and also for game #25. (All of the MSL/MBC VODs on nevake were taken private. I think I fixed them in the main list, but never went through the archives to do the same.) Then I noticed that the youtube API is somehow broken: the linked playlists are no longer working (they play the first video, then stop). Too tired to fix this now; I guess I'll do it sometime in the next few days.
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I'm curious if SOSPA will ever produce any games that belong in here considering that the SOSPA players tend to play as orthodox and standard as possible
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On September 02 2013 03:25 thezanursic wrote:
I'm curious if SOSPA will ever produce any games that belong in here considering that the SOSPA players tend to play as orthodox and standard as possible
I hope they do to be honest and this thread needs a bump once in a while 
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Does anybody have a link to the PvT or PvP video where a pro player cheeses his opponent by building a pylon and two gateways right next to the opponents mineral field in specific position where it is hard for the opponent kill the pylon and gatway in time. I can't remember what this legendary cheese is called.
If somebody can remember the name of that rush, you'll be a lifesaver.
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