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JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
February 02 2011 11:11 GMT
#401
On February 02 2011 19:27 PrinceXizor wrote:forGG's playstyle may seem like it fits well with sc2, but in reality his playstyle came about from a deep understanding of the game and it's timings, something that no one has in SC2 and that no one will have for quite some time, and THAT is the reason that forGG will be pretty unsuccessful in SC2, at least until everyone else has the same opportunity as him.

That doesn't make sense. If he has a better timing/economic sense than most in a game that has been studied for years (you won't have such sense by just copying), why wouldn't he have even bigger advantage in the matter in a game where people without as good innate timing sense have much less advanced stuff to study?
If you have to ask, you don't know.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 11:54:42
February 02 2011 11:54 GMT
#402
SC2 casual gamers really take BW Korean pros who switch to SC2 lightly .. they are overly underestimating their capabilities .. it's weird since most,if not all, of the top, the best of the best, in their game are ex-BW progamers (regardless of him being a B-teamer/A-teamer, proleaguer/dream leaguer)
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
February 02 2011 12:09 GMT
#403
On February 02 2011 20:54 aimaimaim wrote:
SC2 casual gamers really take BW Korean pros who switch to SC2 lightly .. they are overly underestimating their capabilities .. it's weird since most,if not all, of the top, the best of the best, in their game are ex-BW progamers (regardless of him being a B-teamer/A-teamer, proleaguer/dream leaguer)


Yea all GSL winners have been really really (x10) mediocre brood war pros (except MVP who was sorta good for a few weeks))
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Yodo
Profile Joined March 2010
Russian Federation327 Posts
February 02 2011 12:13 GMT
#404
I wish there were some rule to ban ppl with SC2 obsession on SC1 forums.
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 12:22:47
February 02 2011 12:15 GMT
#405
On February 02 2011 20:54 aimaimaim wrote:
SC2 casual gamers really take BW Korean pros who switch to SC2 lightly .. they are overly underestimating their capabilities .. it's weird since most,if not all, of the top, the best of the best, in their game are ex-BW progamers (regardless of him being a B-teamer/A-teamer, proleaguer/dream leaguer)

I agree. I really dont think players who just started playing starcraft 2 truly understand how ridiculously good BW pro gamers are. I dont think you truly appreciate these pro gamers until you try to grind through iccup and realize you are getting roflstomped by the people who get roflstomped by the people who will never be good enough to become b-teamers.

and then you switch over to sc2, play half unconscious most of the time, put zero thought into your play, no effort into improving and still manage to regularly get top 100 (in my case at least)
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
February 02 2011 14:05 GMT
#406
On February 02 2011 21:13 Yodo wrote:
I wish there were some rule to ban ppl with SC2 obsession on SC1 forums.

Uh... those posts were SC2 obsession? I'd hate to see what you call actual trolls.
If you're going to drive away people who actually have something to discuss regarding a topic relevant to BW just because you don't agree with them I'm not sure how you're going to attract 'casual gamers' to your game.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
February 02 2011 14:11 GMT
#407
god if you don't want to contribute anything to the bw community / scene, stay the fuck out of it.

i enjoy both, but if you dislike one, just stay out of it.
wat
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
February 02 2011 14:21 GMT
#408
forgg was pretty good during his prime even though it was quite short-lived. i don't think i will miss him very much though.
Brood War loyalist
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
February 02 2011 14:22 GMT
#409
On February 02 2011 20:11 JohannesH wrote:
why wouldn't he have even bigger advantage in the matter in a game where people without as good innate timing sense have much less advanced stuff to study?

Much less advanced stuff? Timings with the current map pool are much more difficult, and there is at least as much advanced stuff to do.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
February 02 2011 14:26 GMT
#410
wtf =( forGG was not bad. was a period he was doing pretty good. oh well...
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
February 02 2011 14:46 GMT
#411
LOL why are you kidding yourselves. If ForGG ever plays sc2 he will dominate so hard it wont even be funny. He would be by far the most talented player in sc2 and thats just fact. All that micro, macro, multitasking from bw transfers over amazingly well into the easier gameplay system of sc2.
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
February 02 2011 16:19 GMT
#412
If ForGG or Effort switched to sc2 seriously, they'd be dominating so hard. I sincerely hope they do, because that would energize the scene majorly.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 16:28:20
February 02 2011 16:24 GMT
#413
On February 02 2011 19:27 PrinceXizor wrote:
Pretty much the intelligent and creative SC1 players will do the best in Sc2, where the Sc1 players whose big ability was perfect macro and godly APM will suffer because of the lack of things to do with that APM and more things to do with your mind. they will likely focus on the wrong aspect of the game.

EDIT: not to mention that JulyZerg one of the best SC1 players to switch is struggling to keep up with warcraft 3 players Moon and Lyn, as well as a dozen other B teamers and randoms, because he focused too much on his mechanics in sc2 and he seems to lack the strategy and knowledge of his own race now. (he doesn't spread creep at all, which is integral to zerg)

This isn't true, go back to GSL3. There were games where he had the best creep spread of anybody. He explained why he didn't spread creep at all in his up/down match recently. It was kind of a cute reason. He does lack knowledge of ZvZ though, haha.

It is hard to say how good ForGG will be. The (4?) a-teamers who have switched over have had inconsistent results. I count Sangho, MVP, Puma, and Guemchi.

My thinking on the whole is that anyone who played Brood War at an extremely high level should be able to dominate in SC2, but apparently, for instance, the game doesn't "click" with Sangho, or for some reason he's not able to grasp how to get good at it like he did with Brood War. The coach of his team is a former BW coach so it's still very hard to say why this would be.
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JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
February 02 2011 16:30 GMT
#414
On February 02 2011 23:22 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 20:11 JohannesH wrote:
why wouldn't he have even bigger advantage in the matter in a game where people without as good innate timing sense have much less advanced stuff to study?

Much less advanced stuff? Timings with the current map pool are much more difficult, and there is at least as much advanced stuff to do.

Whatever you mean by difficult and advanced here, I simply said SC2 is a much less mapped out game.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 02 2011 17:11 GMT
#415
SC2 is all about army engagement and battle micro. If you can engage in a favorable position then you will win even if you have fewer units. If you watch a lot of huk's games he will be ready to push out for like 10 minutes, but he will spend that time just moving his army around until it is in a favorable position to engage. The other way that players seem to win is by simple having better macro or micro, but if both players are equally skilled in micro and macro, then it becomes all about unit positioning and engagement. With the way units clump in sc2 it's basically an entirely new skill to learn. Some players are having success at it, others aren't.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
February 02 2011 17:36 GMT
#416
plz close thread. every post is off topic
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
darmousseh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3437 Posts
February 02 2011 17:46 GMT
#417
On February 03 2011 02:36 Heimatloser wrote:
plz close thread. every post is off topic


How is talking about him switching to sc2 and trying to predict his success off topic? If michael jordan suddenly stopped playing basketball and started playing baseball everyone would be doing the same thing.
Developer for http://mtgfiddle.com
aru
Profile Joined April 2010
183 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 18:11:01
February 02 2011 18:10 GMT
#418
On February 03 2011 01:24 Turgid wrote:
It is hard to say how good ForGG will be. The (4?) a-teamers who have switched over have had inconsistent results. I count Sangho, MVP, Puma, and Guemchi.


If you're going to count Puma as an "a-teamer", you might as well count Iron and Nada as a-teamers. =\
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 18:41:08
February 02 2011 18:39 GMT
#419
On February 03 2011 02:46 darmousseh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 02:36 Heimatloser wrote:
plz close thread. every post is off topic


How is talking about him switching to sc2 and trying to predict his success off topic? If michael jordan suddenly stopped playing basketball and started playing baseball everyone would be doing the same thing.


Except that your entire paragraph below makes no mention of Forgg's retirement whatsoever. If you want to talk about SC2 strategies, the BW forum certainly isn't the place for it. Since Forgg is now reportedly an SC2 player, if you want to talk about his performance in SC2, go open a thread in the SC2 forum.

On February 03 2011 02:11 darmousseh wrote:
SC2 is all about army engagement and battle micro. If you can engage in a favorable position then you will win even if you have fewer units. If you watch a lot of huk's games he will be ready to push out for like 10 minutes, but he will spend that time just moving his army around until it is in a favorable position to engage. The other way that players seem to win is by simple having better macro or micro, but if both players are equally skilled in micro and macro, then it becomes all about unit positioning and engagement. With the way units clump in sc2 it's basically an entirely new skill to learn. Some players are having success at it, others aren't.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
February 03 2011 00:38 GMT
#420
On February 03 2011 03:10 aru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 01:24 Turgid wrote:
It is hard to say how good ForGG will be. The (4?) a-teamers who have switched over have had inconsistent results. I count Sangho, MVP, Puma, and Guemchi.


If you're going to count Puma as an "a-teamer", you might as well count Iron and Nada as a-teamers. =\

Yeah scratch that then, I knew it was a little dubious when I wrote it. But I think the rest of that statement is solid.
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