The guy who 3-0ed jaedong in MSL final is retiring.
He already lost progamer license (i mean he told kespa and they procesed it)
he was playing noob nowadays and i think he was feeling depressed.
personally i always thought after his MSL title he was doing very poorly..
Update:
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will not be a wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
Kind of sucks. ForGG has some of the best mid-game pushes I've ever seen from a terran. Too bad he just hasn't really been all that good for whatever reason.
KT fans in korean forums are so happy that there may be a chance for flash to come back to MSL through wild card system to replace forgg lol although i doubt they will do wildcard to replace him
he was good during his MSL title win league but after it he was rubbish player.
Okay we don't need to keep going on about how ForGG struggled after his MSL win, but this is a really sudden retirement. Something massive must have come up.
Although his play against Jaedong was cool, I thought that some of his most amazing plays were in his TvP. Some of the timings he would bring out were just mind boggling; you hardly ever got to see a terran kill a protoss with so few troops.
On December 28 2010 17:56 Seeker wrote: Wait, but liquibet clearly shows a match going on for forGG. Does that mean that that match will continue or be ceased? :/ bye forGG.....
considering he's already forfeited his license suggests he wont be playing those games.
Well good luck to him. He achieved more than vast majority of progamers in his career. So it's not like he wasted his youth.
Pretty sudden. But figures he got real life issues going on. The unexpected part is that ForGG is still very active in the proleague, despite losing pretty much all games.
It's kinda idiotic for him to go SC2. Surely his contract with KT is substantial and sudden switch to SC2 means he will be lagging behind all currently active SC2 player. There is a learning curve involved here. ForGG isn't Flash.
On December 28 2010 18:00 Plexa wrote: Okay we don't need to keep going on about how ForGG struggled after his MSL win, but this is a really sudden retirement. Something massive must have come up.
Flash out of the MSL? ForGG in the MSL? Both on KT?
On December 28 2010 18:00 Plexa wrote: Okay we don't need to keep going on about how ForGG struggled after his MSL win, but this is a really sudden retirement. Something massive must have come up.
Flash out of the MSL? ForGG in the MSL? Both on KT?
/conspiracy theory
KT would have had to give him one hell of a golden handshake for him to retire just like that.
Timing attack retirement ? I'm really surprised, even if he was not performing very well recently, he still was an important asset for team, and was sure a part of KT's success in PL last season. He went 10-10 with decisive wins against Shine, JD, Jangbi and Really.
EDIT: Made some minor changes. Sorry Mortician, I did this rather quickly due to the urgency of the news.
KT's ForGG has suddenly announced his retirement.
On the 28th, KT announced that ForGG had retired due to personal reasons.
ForGG debuted in 2005 for Hwaseung and won the Arena MSL in 2008. He also did very well in Proleague. On March 13, 2009, he changed teams to KT, making a great contribution to KT taking home the 09-10 Proleague crown.
However, ForGG's been in a slump and his results have been disastrous. So due to personal issues, he was forced to retire. KT accepted his request.
Under KeSPA regulations, if a player who retires before his contract is up wishes to come out of retirement, he must announce that to KeSPA through his former team after a year. On top of that, he must go through some special KeSPA arranged matches for coming out of retirement.
ForGG has retired before the end of his contract. He had even played during R2 for KT and made it into the MSL Ro32. ForGG's reason for retirement is unclear, but it has caused a crisis in the MSL.
ForGG was slated to play his MSL Ro32 games on the 30th, but due to his retirement, the state of MSL Group F is a hot topic for netizen debate.
MBC's administration has announced that they also just received word of ForGG's retirement, and do not as of yet have a plan for resolving the Group F dilemma.
A MBC representative stated that they would put full effort into quickly resolving Group F, and that they would make an announcement when they came to a decision.
This is pretty sad. Really like forgg and hoped he would become really strong again (kt needs him atm).
On December 28 2010 17:59 NrG.GoD- wrote: KT fans in korean forums are so happy that there may be a chance for flash to come back to MSL through wild card system to replace forgg lol although i doubt they will do wildcard to replace him
he was good during his MSL title win league but after it he was rubbish player.
Never even considered this, but it would be pretty cool if Flash manages to win MSL after being eliminated. Now I'm only slightly sad because there is a chance that flash will get a chance to qualify for a chance in the msl.
Expect a wildcard for his spot? Bisu can come back to MSL =D
Okay but srsly, sad to see him go on such short notice. I still remember some of his terrific timing attacks like they were yesterday. Thanks for the run you've put on for us ForGG and we hope you have a great future!
As a KT fan this kinda/really sucks; sure I mean he's been playing like trash lately and the only thing he has going for him is his same old vZ timing pushes, but KT is struggling enough WITH him, and it sure doesn't help them any now that he's gone. =(
edit: yes please give Flash the msl spot, hahahahaha.
On December 28 2010 17:59 NrG.GoD- wrote: KT fans in korean forums are so happy that there may be a chance for flash to come back to MSL through wild card system to replace forgg lol although i doubt they will do wildcard to replace him
he was good during his MSL title win league but after it he was rubbish player.
Never even considered this, but it would be pretty cool if Flash manages to win MSL after being eliminated. Now I'm only slightly sad because there is a chance that flash will get a chance to qualify for a chance in the msl.
I'm a Flash fan but it'd be more fair if they only let the players who went 1-2 in MSL have a chance to come back. Though they could handicap it somehow, but yeah it'd be weird.
Would be ridic if they gave Flash a chance to come back though, he'd probably win that tournament and it would be absurd for whoever had to face him in subsequent rounds, would literally be a miracle for him.
On December 28 2010 17:59 NrG.GoD- wrote: KT fans in korean forums are so happy that there may be a chance for flash to come back to MSL through wild card system to replace forgg lol although i doubt they will do wildcard to replace him
he was good during his MSL title win league but after it he was rubbish player.
Never even considered this, but it would be pretty cool if Flash manages to win MSL after being eliminated. Now I'm only slightly sad because there is a chance that flash will get a chance to qualify for a chance in the msl.
Would be pretty lame though, eliminated means eliminated. There should be a wild card tournament only for those who failed in Survivor.
On December 28 2010 18:24 infinitestory wrote: So thanks to personal issues, he was forced to retire.
I dont "thanks" is the most appropriate word here
Fixed.
I say we wait and see. They might not use a wildcard, since that would require a lot of rescheduling... I find it more likely they somehow pick another player who was eliminated in the Ro36, unfair as that may be to Flash.
On December 28 2010 18:32 Shinshady wrote: Expect a wildcard for his spot? Bisu can come back to MSL =D
Okay but srsly, sad to see him go on such short notice. I still remember some of his terrific timing attacks like they were yesterday. Thanks for the run you've put on for us ForGG and we hope you have a great future!
I thought Bisu is still in MSL..
Like most people said, I'm guessing he's going to switch to SC2.
Like most people said, I'm guessing he's going to switch to SC2.
Whoops yeah your right =P... against Shine... so I thought he alrdy lost (jking Bisu fans jking...).
I have a question though, does him having a progaming license prohibit him from quitting the team even though he feels like he can't play well? Or does switching games mean you have to retire and then switch, although there isn't a proscene there?
hmmm I dont get it. Why would he leave now ?. Before his MSL matches. This whole retirement makes no sense. Unless - He planned to leave e-sports a long time ago and by doing it now he can give Flash a chance for MSL and maybe earn some extra $$$ by leaving - He wanted to switch to Sc2 anyways and now has chance to earn some $$$ by leaving. - He has family troubles - He did something that made it impossible for the team to further have him ( Drugs/ giving out info / who knows what )
... So we nothing besides him retiring.
Too bad I actually kinda liked him although he sucked lately
WHAT THE? This came out of NOWHERE. Yeah, he hasn't been amazing, but he's still a good player and qualifies for leagues. He hasn't even played his MSL games yet.
That sucks. I've never really followed him like I followed some other players but he has shown a lot of entertaining games and he has shown some very interesting builds before.
If he wanted to play sc2, he would have at least played msl first. I'm guessing familiy issues : Parents see no future in him for his BW career, dont see future in sc2 and therefore don't see future in gaming so they force him to go into studying, to get a decent career. (winter holiday's cram school is soon to start so its a good time to prepare)
I hope things work out for ForGG. Though if KT's trying to chance Flash back in at ForGG's expense... I smell another crippling scandal for the Korean BW scene. :[
On December 28 2010 19:27 Lightwip wrote: Wow, this is completely unexpected. It came completely out of nowhere. They'd better not let Flash back in though. That would just be ridiculous.
i remember bisu got back in a similar way a year or so ago.. i forgot why the spot opened up though.
On December 28 2010 19:27 Lightwip wrote: Wow, this is completely unexpected. It came completely out of nowhere. They'd better not let Flash back in though. That would just be ridiculous.
i remember bisu got back in a similar way a year or so ago.. i forgot why the spot opened up though.
I read on the PR that Stork got back in because someone had to go to the army 3 years ago.
On December 28 2010 19:27 Lightwip wrote: Wow, this is completely unexpected. It came completely out of nowhere. They'd better not let Flash back in though. That would just be ridiculous.
i remember bisu got back in a similar way a year or so ago.. i forgot why the spot opened up though.
EDIT: Double checked, as stated by somebody else, it was because of Backho's injury.
In that case, Flash just might come back. He can't die! Not even the banishment powers of the mighty SSAK+CLASSIC duo canrestrain him! If he does come back too, Jaedong would be all, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
On December 28 2010 19:35 ace246 wrote: If he wanted to play sc2, he would have at least played msl first. I'm guessing familiy issues : Parents see no future in him for his BW career, dont see future in sc2 and therefore don't see future in gaming so they force him to go into studying, to get a decent career. (winter holiday's cram school is soon to start so its a good time to prepare)
On December 28 2010 19:27 Lightwip wrote: Wow, this is completely unexpected. It came completely out of nowhere. They'd better not let Flash back in though. That would just be ridiculous.
i remember bisu got back in a similar way a year or so ago.. i forgot why the spot opened up though.
Backho's injury?
Anyway, hopefully he just got tired of BW not something serious, like family illness.
On December 28 2010 19:36 Selth wrote: I hope things work out for ForGG. Though if KT's trying to chance Flash back in at ForGG's expense... I smell another crippling scandal for the Korean BW scene. :[
Killing their ~3rd best players carreer to possibly get flash into one tourney would be pretty silly, even if the guy is slumping.
On December 28 2010 19:27 Lightwip wrote: Wow, this is completely unexpected. It came completely out of nowhere. They'd better not let Flash back in though. That would just be ridiculous.
i remember bisu got back in a similar way a year or so ago.. i forgot why the spot opened up though.
Think it was because Hwasin got into that matchfixing scandal and had to forfeit his spot.
In that case, Flash just might come back. He can't die! Not even the banishment powers of the mighty SSAK+CLASSIC duo canrestrain him! If he does come back too, Jaedong would be all, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
It wasn't Hwasin, it was BackHo's injury like another poster mentioned. This was when Bisu got hero'd out of the MSL at ro36 and ended up making it to ro4 after winning the wildcard, where he lost 3-0 to Fantasy.
On December 28 2010 19:36 Selth wrote: I hope things work out for ForGG. Though if KT's trying to chance Flash back in at ForGG's expense... I smell another crippling scandal for the Korean BW scene. :[
Killing their ~3rd best players carreer to possibly get flash into one tourney would be pretty silly, even if the guy is slumping.
Especially since Flash almost certainly won't get the spot. They'll probably just play the group with 3 players.
I honestly am not that surprised but it still sucks to hear. Whatever he does I always really liked ForGG and thought he played extremely fun games. Would be fun to root for him in SC2.
His entire MSL series vs Kal in Arena. People always talk about games 1 and 5 but game 4 was really entertaining also. All of those games were awesome really.
His MSL series vs Jaedong was way underrated and very well played. People blame the maps but don't look at ForGG's flawless gameplay. He really deserved that title.
Since transferring to KT he didn't do too much, but he hit Ro8 in Big File MSL and showed some fun games. I will miss the guy a lot and he will forever be in my heart.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
I'm disappointed that this thread has so much ForGG hate in it (and "omg sc2!" speculations). ForGG was a good player and entertaining to watch. Like most players he went through slumps, but seriously.. this is uncalled for.
I'm sure he had good reasons to make him retire so suddenly.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
I say MBCGame is a HERO(pun intended) for not letting Flash in. + Show Spoiler +
PM is still gonna lose though.
Damn you MBCgame, no wonder activision decided to sue you first.
You expect them to arrange a wildcard tournament when group F's games are less than 2 days away? Get real.
No, i expected them to give the position to a high ranked player, or do a best-of-1 among a select few or any other method. Anything but this.
Giving it to a high ranked player is incredibly biased and silly. Like I said, there is no time to arrange a play-off of any sort, even if it's Bo1. The proleague/starleague schedule is very tight as it is, they would have to push back matches to arrange any such play-off.
I never really watched ForGG much or cheered for him, but he's the earliest Starcraft progamer name i can remember learning. Let's hope he starts with SC2, would be a shame if he disappeared into thin air like EffOrt.
On December 28 2010 20:47 KinosJourney2 wrote: This is really sad :/
I never really watched ForGG much or cheered for him, but he's the earliest Starcraft progamer name i can remember learning. Let's hope he starts with SC2, would be a shame if he disappeared into thin air like EffOrt.
I'd really rather they go away because of a personal issue rather than a desire to play SC2.
While its clear that he didn't retire because of SC2 there's still a chance he might give the game a try, he could definitely rise up to be one of the better players if he put his mind to it.
But... but.. but.. what if I said you're not like the others?
He wasn't doing that poorly lately, not the best but not the worst. Didn't he get eliminated in RO16 last season by Flash? He was in the RO32 of MSL, I guess he just decided it was time to move on.
I highly doubt SC2 is the reason for his retirement. This retirement was far too sudden for that, he would've at least waited to get eliminated from the MSL before retiring.
However, it's still possible that he'll move on to SC2 in the future.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
I say MBCGame is a HERO(pun intended) for not letting Flash in. + Show Spoiler +
PM is still gonna lose though.
Damn you MBCgame, no wonder activision decided to sue you first.
You expect them to arrange a wildcard tournament when group F's games are less than 2 days away? Get real.
No, i expected them to give the position to a high ranked player, or do a best-of-1 among a select few or any other method. Anything but this.
Giving it to a high ranked player is incredibly biased and silly. Like I said, there is no time to arrange a play-off of any sort, even if it's Bo1. The proleague/starleague schedule is very tight as it is, they would have to push back matches to arrange any such play-off.
So you think Perfectman getting a free win is fair? Give me a break
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
I say MBCGame is a HERO(pun intended) for not letting Flash in. + Show Spoiler +
PM is still gonna lose though.
Damn you MBCgame, no wonder activision decided to sue you first.
You expect them to arrange a wildcard tournament when group F's games are less than 2 days away? Get real.
No, i expected them to give the position to a high ranked player, or do a best-of-1 among a select few or any other method. Anything but this.
Giving it to a high ranked player is incredibly biased and silly. Like I said, there is no time to arrange a play-off of any sort, even if it's Bo1. The proleague/starleague schedule is very tight as it is, they would have to push back matches to arrange any such play-off.
So you think Perfectman getting a free win is fair? Give me a break
He's getting a bye because his opponent is a noshow....how is that unfair?
On December 28 2010 20:54 Scaramanga wrote: This must be why he hasn't been playing in proleauge these days.
He played 3 days ago... and the week before that, and the week before that..
He's played every game upuntill 3 weeks ago and he missed most of the matches since then
He played vs Oz, Stars and Khan. Didn't play WeMade and STX. vs ACE and MBC KT didn't get to show the full lineups (went to 4 and 5 sets respectively), its possible he was scheduled for the later maps and it didn't get to it.
Maybe whatever personal issues came up interfered with his practice time and maybe not. Not much point in speculating about it.
That's a pretty heavy loss for KT. They already kinda struggled to fill out the six slots for a bo7 format, even with spamming Flash/Stats/Violet/ForGG. Action has been under performing for them so far, too. Guess Hoejja is gonna get more playtime (you seemed cool on Oldboy - l2play), along with the one or two rookies they had (anyppi or something like that?).
I was never a huge fan of ForGG, but that's partly due to not being a big Terran fan in the first place (insert generic SKT fanboy anti-KT raving here). He made a name for himself and was consistent enough to get constant playtime. His retirement is a definite loss for BW.
It's a bit strange that he did it while he was still alive in the MSL, though. I think Effort did it right after getting eliminated from WCG. Must've had his reasons.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
I say MBCGame is a HERO(pun intended) for not letting Flash in. + Show Spoiler +
PM is still gonna lose though.
Damn you MBCgame, no wonder activision decided to sue you first.
You expect them to arrange a wildcard tournament when group F's games are less than 2 days away? Get real.
No, i expected them to give the position to a high ranked player, or do a best-of-1 among a select few or any other method. Anything but this.
Giving it to a high ranked player is incredibly biased and silly. Like I said, there is no time to arrange a play-off of any sort, even if it's Bo1. The proleague/starleague schedule is very tight as it is, they would have to push back matches to arrange any such play-off.
So you think Perfectman getting a free win is fair? Give me a break
Yeah, I think it would be most fair if they just gave MSL trophy to Flash and be done with it, right?
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
I say MBCGame is a HERO(pun intended) for not letting Flash in. + Show Spoiler +
PM is still gonna lose though.
Damn you MBCgame, no wonder activision decided to sue you first.
You expect them to arrange a wildcard tournament when group F's games are less than 2 days away? Get real.
No, i expected them to give the position to a high ranked player, or do a best-of-1 among a select few or any other method. Anything but this.
Giving it to a high ranked player is incredibly biased and silly. Like I said, there is no time to arrange a play-off of any sort, even if it's Bo1. The proleague/starleague schedule is very tight as it is, they would have to push back matches to arrange any such play-off.
So you think Perfectman getting a free win is fair? Give me a break
In most other sports if a player pulls out of a match at the last minute, the opponent is given a walkover win. You're just sore that MBC is not rigging the MSL for Flash to return. Get over it.
ForGG was one of the first players I was familiar with when I was new to the BW scene. He was strong enough to be second to Flash before Stats rose up. I liked his games a lot because he tends to end them with a bang, even if he fails sometimes. Really sad to see him go. Unlike Effort's retirement, there seems to be something bad that happened that forced him to retire.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
I say MBCGame is a HERO(pun intended) for not letting Flash in. + Show Spoiler +
PM is still gonna lose though.
Damn you MBCgame, no wonder activision decided to sue you first.
You expect them to arrange a wildcard tournament when group F's games are less than 2 days away? Get real.
No, i expected them to give the position to a high ranked player, or do a best-of-1 among a select few or any other method. Anything but this.
Giving it to a high ranked player is incredibly biased and silly. Like I said, there is no time to arrange a play-off of any sort, even if it's Bo1. The proleague/starleague schedule is very tight as it is, they would have to push back matches to arrange any such play-off.
So you think Perfectman getting a free win is fair? Give me a break
They've done this in the past when Boxer couldn't attend the Survivor Tournament. It's the most they could have done given the short amount of time given.
forGG has already packed and moved out, and he didn't even wait to finish off the leagues that he's involved in right now. Given the circumstances, I highly doubt that he's going to SC2. There are rumours about him being related to the match-fixing, but I also doubt that to - it seems just like an attempt to explain his sudden change.
I always considered his MSL win to be the greatest starleague performance of all time, the way he demolished both Flash and Jaedong in BO5s on his way to win it is just mind blowing. Not to mention he had to go through a BO5 vs Kal also, just to make sure hes been tested vs top players in each matchup, and he won by playing out of his mind crazy well. Sure he had the maps going for him, but he was playing amazingly that entire tournament.
On December 28 2010 18:32 Shinshady wrote: Expect a wildcard for his spot? Bisu can come back to MSL =D
Okay but srsly, sad to see him go on such short notice. I still remember some of his terrific timing attacks like they were yesterday. Thanks for the run you've put on for us ForGG and we hope you have a great future!
what??? bisu is still in the msl, his game against shine is not until thur... pls. don't be a prophet predicting bisu will be out
or you mean flash can still come back to MSL...
i wonder what will happen to KT? only flash as terran, they should let barracks play more.
On December 28 2010 18:00 Plexa wrote: Okay we don't need to keep going on about how ForGG struggled after his MSL win, but this is a really sudden retirement. Something massive must have come up.
I don't think anything big suddenly came up. There's probably been something hanging over his head causing such bad play for awhile if he decided to retire now.
According to interviews and such he was a really core part of KT, I can imagine that if he had problems the team had problems ( in that he was a key personality in the KT house etc).
Such sad news. Way too many good terrans disappearing lately (upmagic, hwasin, gogo, nada, boxer, MVP, forGG...)
Am I the only one remembering a forGG (perhaps a little less than a year ago) interview where he stated he would never go to SC2? Or did I dream that? Either way I hope he does not quit BW to play that game.
On December 28 2010 18:00 Plexa wrote: Okay we don't need to keep going on about how ForGG struggled after his MSL win, but this is a really sudden retirement. Something massive must have come up.
I don't think anything big suddenly came up. There's probably been something hanging over his head causing such bad play for awhile if he decided to retire now.
Unlikely. He broke his contract 2 days after playing PL and 3 days before being scheduled to play the MSL, moving out of the KT house in that time. I can't remember another retirement that was this sudden mid-season. For those who mentioned Effort, his retirement took place between seasons and after his current contract was completed.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
I say MBCGame is a HERO(pun intended) for not letting Flash in. + Show Spoiler +
PM is still gonna lose though.
Damn you MBCgame, no wonder activision decided to sue you first.
You expect them to arrange a wildcard tournament when group F's games are less than 2 days away? Get real.
No, i expected them to give the position to a high ranked player, or do a best-of-1 among a select few or any other method. Anything but this.
Giving it to a high ranked player is incredibly biased and silly. Like I said, there is no time to arrange a play-off of any sort, even if it's Bo1. The proleague/starleague schedule is very tight as it is, they would have to push back matches to arrange any such play-off.
So you think Perfectman getting a free win is fair? Give me a break
In most other sports if a player pulls out of a match at the last minute, the opponent is given a walkover win. You're just sore that MBC is not rigging the MSL for Flash to return. Get over it.
No actually i'm sore because perfectman got a free win.
On December 28 2010 20:31 Ryo wrote: There will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. Perfectman will be given a win by default and the 3 players in the group will fight for 2 spots.
I say MBCGame is a HERO(pun intended) for not letting Flash in. + Show Spoiler +
PM is still gonna lose though.
Damn you MBCgame, no wonder activision decided to sue you first.
You expect them to arrange a wildcard tournament when group F's games are less than 2 days away? Get real.
No, i expected them to give the position to a high ranked player, or do a best-of-1 among a select few or any other method. Anything but this.
Giving it to a high ranked player is incredibly biased and silly. Like I said, there is no time to arrange a play-off of any sort, even if it's Bo1. The proleague/starleague schedule is very tight as it is, they would have to push back matches to arrange any such play-off.
So you think Perfectman getting a free win is fair? Give me a break
In most other sports if a player pulls out of a match at the last minute, the opponent is given a walkover win. You're just sore that MBC is not rigging the MSL for Flash to return. Get over it.
No actually i'm sore because perfectman got a free win.
The loser also gets a free win so it's still fair.
I HIGHLY doubt that forgg is going to sc2, seeing as he already had a carreer with KT and had a spot in the ro32 of the MSL - obviously, he retired because of a personal reason; nobody is going to give up a chance to win the msl just to switch to sc2 when he could switch at any time.
Chill out people. Some people just lose the fire to keep following a certain passion. He had his moment of glory and saw that it was time to move on. Best of luck in the future forgg, you brought use some good games.
Damn. One of my favourite Terrans. Time to get a new Terran for my sig. We'll see how Hiya does against Stork.
It's not like Perfectman has a bye straight into the Ro16. He still has get one win. Though things are easier for him now. Midas has good TvZ so he can beat Hogil. Perfectman might have lost to fOrGG, but he can beat the older and slower Midas, imo. Then Midas can win the final match against Hogil. Sounds good to me.
i've always been a fan of forgg, but after numerous times of failing my liquibets i started losing faith in him, he was a truly impressive players once, up on par with flash, but this sudden retirement will be his ultimate timing attack where no one saw it coming...
what ever that's forcing him to quit must be some serious shit imo, i sure hope to see him in SC2, ubt i doubt he's quitting for that with a decision so sudden. i mean we might have at least heard some rumors coming out from the korean communities and rekrul or TL guys over at Korea woulda let us know beforehand. most probably he succumb to family pressure i guess, can only wait for his official statement, best of luck to what he does in the future, BW scene in general lost one valuable asset...
On December 28 2010 20:38 NeverGG wrote: *Cries in a corner.*
OMG, where have u been to NeverGG? its been such a long time since u last posted, or did i just missed ur posts? have u retired from taking e-sports pics?
hmmm... he always had the best timing attacks, i can only assume the timing of this retirement was just as perfect, we just don't know the reason yet. Even though i've been critical of frog in the past, it's never fun to see a player retire early. i wish him good luck in his future endeavors~
Are you guys reading the thread? Ryo confirms Flash is not getting a second chance.
It might not sound like an original opinion, but I really liked ForGG's timing attacks. They stood out compared to the macro style games that are often favored nowadays. And I enjoy watching aggressive early-game play.
It's just that ForGG's late game multitask, and even his mid game defense was so poor lately... All his units bunching up at his rally point, unsieged, his choke unmined, etc.
I think the MSL should just switch the format of Group F to the OSL tiebreaker format (the three players all play each other, and the 2 with the best scores advance). That's the only fair solution that I can think of. Either that or hold a wildcard for people who got eliminated in the Ro32 (if it were up to me, I would only hold the wildcard for people who got eliminated 1-2).
On December 29 2010 01:39 _Quasar_ wrote: Would be better if Hwaseung Oz coach retired not ForGG -__________-
Haha, I agree with this statement in itself. But considering that ForGG hasn't had anything to do with Oz for awhile now...
Well, but he has to do with Oz history, and especially 2007's PL gold ^_^ And well.... by saying that I kind of mean that, even as Oz fan, I'd probably be more sad about ForGG retirement than about current Oz coach leaving the team ^___^ X____x
On December 29 2010 01:39 _Quasar_ wrote: Would be better if Hwaseung Oz coach retired not ForGG -__________-
Haha, I agree with this statement in itself. But considering that ForGG hasn't had anything to do with Oz for awhile now...
Well, but he has to do with Oz history, and especially 2007's PL gold ^_^ And well.... by saying that I kind of mean that, even as Oz fan, I'd probably be more sad about ForGG retirement than about current Oz coach leaving the team ^___^ X____x
As in, you'd be absolutely ecstatic if the current Oz coach left? I agree! (Except where would a team find a new coach? Even CJ-OGN-hite had to retain its tainted dirty "ex-coach" by merely changing his job title...I bet he even does the same job he used to do.)
That's too bad, ForGGs aggressive style could be a lot of fun to watch. Unfortunately the impression I got was that when he failed to set the tempo of the game with his prepared strategy, he was too stubborn and didn't adapt well. Recently his late game sense was of lacking although he still had relatively strong macro.
That was the first MSL I got into where ForGG won it. He seemed like a really smart player to be able to take down the best players of each respective race that year using well prepared timing pushes. I think that forever influenced my playstyle. I remember everyone saying "lucky win but he'll never beat Jaedong." and the protoss before Jaedong too, I forget who but I want to say Stork? No one thought he could do it, but they were solid wins. Sad that he's retiring.
He was argueably my favorite player as a result of my timing with getting into pro starcraft. He won a title which is more than most can say, very underrated player. He'd probably do good switching over to SC2 since this is a time where a smart build order can bring in a lot of success. We'll see eh.
I know I'll miss his play. Granted he wasn't doing so hot lately, I really enjoyed the 1-2 Terran punch he and Flash provided last year in PL. I hope he transfers to SC2 eventually, as it's a venue where I think he can excel while giving me somebody I want to watch.
Whatever is going on, I hope he does well in his future endeavors.
Never liked Forgg, and never liked KT, but I still am upset that he left. Its not good for the game when players leave when they still have lots some to contribute. The timing is odd, but I won't make the same jokes about timing attacks that so many others have.
If the perfectman-hogil-midas group wasn't the weakest MSL group in years, it would seem to be now. Glad that that terrible group is on the same day as one of the most interesting groups.
Something smaller than his leaving, or how the MSL will shape out: I wonder where this leaves tempest. Will KT recall him from the dreamleauge (or are they even allowed to)? Tempest is a better option than hoejja, barracs, anyppi, or roo (who iirc is also in the dreamleaue so that one might be a moot point) in most situations. And KT isn't in the best position to sacrifice immidiate standings so they can experament with their lineup.
Hope he isn't leaving for a really serious reason, like family health problems or match fixing. GL HF Forgg
The Pretender D: No matter what people say he deserves to be missed for his past accomplishments alone. Could have been so much better with more potential had not been struck by unexplained and permanent slump.
Edit: I am especially sad about his timing which causes people to focus greatly on possibility of Flash back in MSL (or maybe he intended it, idk) which causes people to post "Flash gonna have chance kkk" even when someone posted already the group will continue on normally with Perfectman getting the win. Was the information added to OP?
On December 29 2010 02:45 hacklebeast wrote: Something smaller than his leaving, or how the MSL will shape out: I wonder where this leaves tempest. Will KT recall him from the dreamleauge (or are they even allowed to)? Tempest is a better option than hoejja, barracs, anyppi, or roo (who iirc is also in the dreamleaue so that one might be a moot point) in most situations. And KT isn't in the best position to sacrifice immidiate standings so they can experament with their lineup.
Unless rules have changed I don't see tempest being in dream league as a problem. I remember Snow played in Dream league 09-10 and proleague for some months (and I believe neo.g soulkey did too).
As I see it KT will now have a fairly solid base consisting of: Flash, Stats, Violet, Action
They will then mix in 1-3 of: Hoejja, Tempest and Reach (one good thing to come out of this is probably more play time for reach)
And when going for the weird snipe or something they will use: anyppi or Barracks
Wow.... this came out of nowhere. When I saw this on the sidebar I didn't even believe it... Best wishes to him. Something really big must've happened for this to happen to abruptly like this...
SC2 is of course a possibility, but I just don't think it would happen this suddenly if that was the case. It's all...very weird... and I'm desperat for more information.
this is really really surprising.. i think this will be quite a blow to KT, especially with the bo7 format. Even tho ForGG hasn't been playing at the top of his game lately, I think he's still more consistent than the protoss line-up..
I always liked his play and his questionable monikers (I suppose I should submit for a name change now). I really hoped to see him out of his current slump - and team - back in Oz or maybe Ace. For a while he was up there, toe to toe with the best; he could have been A class again, maybe even S.
And shame on all the people whining over their liquibets. These things can be fixed easily, at any time. The suddenness of his retirement has me worried, but I wish him well and will always remember him as one of the great terrans of recent years.
One important thing I forgot to mention. MSL group H (Bisu/Kal/Really/Shine) now starts at 6.30pm KST on 30th Dec because of fewer games in group F due to Forgg's retirement.
What if I say I'm not like the others What if I say I'm not just another one of your plays You're a pretender What if I say that I'll never surrender
you know, I actually forgot that that was his theme song until someone in this thread mentioned it. He may have dropped very far from his peak, but he still was an integral part of the first KT team that actually won a prize. He was KT's third best player last season and I'm sure they'll be worse off without him. Who's their second best terran now? Suny? Barracks? I'm not too confident. But then again, it's not like this season is going very well either way so just let all the bad stuff hit us right now so we can get it over with.
I really hope that they don't let Flash back in. Flash being out of both starleagues makes the KT fans' tears so much sweeter, but if they take that away from me I will be sad.
On December 29 2010 07:21 Ryusei-R1 wrote: I picked Perfectman in my LB anyways
I really hope that they don't let Flash back in. Flash being out of both starleagues makes the KT fans' tears so much sweeter, but if they take that away from me I will be sad.
This guy helped Oz win a championship, sucks to see him go. Played some really good games in his time to, his series vs Kal(?) back in Colosseum days were awesome
I wasn't a fan or anything, but I had respect for him when he was part of the chimera that was Lecaf....that seems so far away. I'm not sure if he's going to SC2 because I recall (don't quote me on this) him saying that he would retiree if BW was going to end instead of sc2. Maybe he changed his mind, or maybe I'm thinking of someone else. I know Really said he would retire, but I recall Forgg saying this also.
Was cheering him on during his msl run. Sad to see him go even though after his msl win he never played at the same level he used too. But during that time he went through Flash, jaedong and kal to get his title. Probably one of the hardest roads ever.
On December 29 2010 07:33 n.DieJokes wrote: This guy helped Oz win a championship, sucks to see him go. Played some really good games in his time to, his series vs Kal(?) back in Colosseum days were awesome
That had a game where Kal won with scouts, right? :D Good times, good times.
I'll miss you forGG <3 best of luck with whatever is next
then again ill never forget his memorable game vs jangbi in the khan vs oz PL finals on nemesis. the good ol "lose 100 scv's but still goin on" game :D
ForGG's MSL run > Effort's OSL run! He must have timed this REALLY well somehow, the crispness of this build is never seen before and that no progamer would be able to pull off.
aww that sucks i know he wasn't as good as he used to be but ForGG really wasn't bad at all, definitely a solid player on KT. So i doubt it was because of an issue like that.
Fan or not, it's never good (for the community) when a well-known player retires like that. Hope he resolves whatever issues that caused him to make this sudden and drastic decision. But he of all people would have done it at a good timing~
Maybe SC2 is for him... with the frequent all-ins and timing attacks, but I hope he doesn't switch (at least not so soon), that would show a little weakness from backing out of KT. Losses or not, I don't doubt that he's a pretty good asset to the team.
And yea lol at the timing comment
PS: Lol, my LB has Perfectman > ForGG for first round, but ForGG and Midas advancing, /facepalm >< woulda gotten something
Double edit: People without BW team tags coming in asking how long till he switches to SC2 are a little rude imo. His retirement is a loss to the BW community, doesn't seem right to rub it in...
This is definitely alarming news that came out of nowhere. Although ForGG didn't really leave that big of an impression on me other than his timing attacks that everyone always laughed about, he was definitely a key strong Terran player for KT and was an invaluable member to them. Who knows how much KT as a team is suffering right now without such a clutch player.
I hope that it's not because of major family or inner crisis reasons that ForGG is suddenly retiring, and wish him the best of luck in the future with whatever he'll be doing, whether he decides to return to pro gaming or not.
Thanks for the fast article translation infinitestory and to Ryo for confirming that there will be no wildcard playoff for his spot. 2010 has been a really shitty year for BW. Simply tragic.
always sad to see somebody go, especially when it's because they hit deep slump and just can't get out of it. i've seen it happen so much in sports and other games, it's a little disheartening.
On December 29 2010 14:54 Megaliskuu wrote: what is 정ㅋ벅ㅋ
One of his nicknames, seen on many of his fans' scarves, is "Time Attacker" and the notorious "Genghis Park" due to his stellar performance in the Arena MSL 2008. The "Genghis Park" also developed a new meme in Korea "정ㅋ벅ㅋ" which literally translates to "CON-LOL-QUERED-LOL." At first the meme was used to anger Jaedong and Flash fans, however now it is used when one player dominates the other player.
01:38 +Milkis • Hello~ 01:38 +Milkis • First, I'd like to thank the fans who had cheered from me from the bottom of their hearts. 01:38 +Milkis • Were you surprised by the sudden news? 01:38 +Milkis • The reason why I decided to retire, 01:38 +Milkis • I can't tell you right now, so I hope you can understand. 01:38 +Milkis • For now, I'm planning on taking a break without thinking about anything and going on a trip. 01:38 +Milkis • I want to say once again that I'm really sorry to the fans who had cheered for someone lacking like me. 01:38 +Milkis • I hope you'll all be healthy. 01:38 +Milkis • I hope you all have a blessed New Year! 01:38 +Milkis • post that 01:38 +Milkis • forgg posted that on a korean community site 01:39 +Milkis • rumors that there's some issues with coaching staff and flash? 01:39 +Milkis • but that's likely bullshit lol
I wouldn't be surprised if it is something to do with KT, personally I'd hate to be clear second fiddle to some ace player (Michael Schumacher and Rubens Barrichello springs to mind).
Not sure how much KT is specifically preparing Flash for his games but I wouldn't be surprised if he got the majority of the attention seeing how awful the rest of the team is performing right now.
Its probably also why teams like Hite (CJ before) and SKT have recently been ridiculously strong for a long time because every team member, no matter how bad they might be, have an actual place on the team instead of being Jaedong's or Flash's practice servants.
its quite sudden. But he wasnt as hot as he used to and maybe he saw that he couldnt keep playing cause he was already over his peak. sucks for his fans I really liked seeing that msl run he had in the vods. That 3-0 to jaedong was really awesome. ForGG you will be missed. No more foo fighters intro
Well, Flash is out of both individual leagues and KT is in the bottom of SPL. The owners probably wanted to know what the hell is happening and decided that getting Flash in shape for Winners League is the biggest priority, probably contrary from what the coaching staff thinks. Maybe they even hired another Terran coach. This is unfair for ForGG who wants help with the MSL as well so that he too can make it big one day. He talks it over with parents. Everyone decides his time in SC is over and it's time to hit the university. So, another SC:BW Great leaves the stage. GG ForGG. It was a lot of fun watching you play - we had a lot of fun - and hope you find happiness in your life.
On December 29 2010 15:39 Harem wrote: 01:38 +Milkis • The reason why I decided to retire, 01:38 +Milkis • I can't tell you right now, so I hope you can understand. 01:38 +Milkis • For now, I'm planning on taking a break without thinking about anything and going on a trip.
That's a relief, it almost certainly means that it's not health or match fixing related. That only deepens the mistery though.
SKT have recently been ridiculously strong for a long time because every team member, no matter how bad they might be, have an actual place on the team instead of being Jaedong's or Flash's practice servants.
So, from your point of view Flash and JD should be ashamed of themselves coz they don't slump like Fanta and Bisu? BTW I doubt that strong player in the team can stop development of the others.
Hmm, I think that problems with KT could be the reason. If he's going on a trip, it's not family problems(and that would probably warrant a leave rather than a retirement), so it must be something that would prevent him from playing. Flash playing well at the expense of his teammates' performance is something that needs to be noted for sure. KT problems seem very likely.
SKT have recently been ridiculously strong for a long time because every team member, no matter how bad they might be, have an actual place on the team instead of being Jaedong's or Flash's practice servants.
So, from your point of view Flash and JD should be ashamed of themselves coz they don't slump like Fanta and Bisu? BTW I doubt that strong player in the team can stop development of the others.
When your golden boy (example: Jaedong having personal dinners with the late Coach Cho's family) gets all the attention, people around you tend to get jealous and lose motivation to perform. Its the coach's duty to make sure this type of stuff doesn't happen, something that SKT's coach and CJ's Coach Cho seemed to do especially well.
I do believe a strong player can stop development in a whole team because they get most of the attention from the coaches. When KT gave their lesser players "special training" during the offseason before the 09-10 Proleague season, they performed like Gods...people like Violet played so well that they looked like top players. I wouldn't be surprised that after Flash kept making finals, they put a lot more emphasis on his performance seeing he gave KT a good name by winning everything.
I mentioned Rubens Barrichello and Michael Schumacher for a reason. Ferrari management forced Rubens to follow team order and let the "better" Schumacher win because he was the team's ace so to speak: its not really the fault of the players but really the fault of the people who call the shots. While progaming won't have anything that extreme (even the Hwasin and Calm incident wasn't that bad), preferential treatment can be disastrous to team relationships and I wouldn't be surprised if that is actually part of the reason for KT's massive crash this season.
So should the players be ashamed for performing well? No they should be proud of their achievements. As I thought I clearly stated, it wouldn't surprise me if Forgg has massive issues with KT's coaching staff and quit because of lack of attention. Heck, KT is probably the team I think of when people mention players getting angry at each other (Sair chewing out Flash for losing to cheese, the whole of KT basically chewing out Tempest for a bad performance).
Well the replies and speculations here are much better in terms of content and manner than the actual Korean articles on Fomos (one about his retirement and one about KT's reaction). Couldn't find anything more than "combination of personal issues and recent poor performance" in the articles. Personally, since he's only 20 years old (1990 born), I hope that he'll set himself up (via university education, for example) for another career that he finds suitable. Progaming has its downsides and I think fOrGG just had enough at this point.
Gotta be some issues in the team thats causing it, especially when you see the results. The fact that he was deep in a league when Flash wasn't probably heightened emotions and caused him to say 'You know what, fuck it now you won't have a player in it at all'.
I bet that the relationship between forGG and Flash in KT is nowhere as good as the link between Bisu and Best in SKT. After all, girls get along better than boys.
I'm wondering about the retirement "canceling" rules, though. Would it theoretically be possible for someone(ForGG in this case) to retire, giving Flash the chance to win the tiebreaker and get into the MSL and win it, and could ForGG ask to get back into the team afterwards(If there even was a tiebreaker, none here... meh this post is feeling so pointless -_-)?
This is completely hypotethical, I'm just wondering about the rules and if this would be legal or possible(not implying that this is what they're doing).
Oh, but I hope he'll play SC2. That'll be AMAZING, especially if he plays Terran(timing attacker + timing attack game + timing attack race = win).
I mentioned Rubens Barrichello and Michael Schumacher for a reason.
Nice example. So how about Rubens performance after team changing? It was mediocrity, despite Michael absence. And it was his performance in Ferrari that gave him standing ground to claim more attention for his person. How you can ask the same treatment as number one if your performance not good? You theory would be true only if ForGG has showed some splendid performance and KT coach continued to ignore him. If you want to be treated like a star then start wining games, use your jealousy as motivation (and note there are no evidences that ForGG was treated badly). Two top players can be obstacles for each other, top and others - no.
When KT gave their lesser players "special training" during the offseason before the 09-10 Proleague season, they performed like Gods
Yeah, and then massive Bisu slump was due to massive care from the coach side I believe? Tons of players have ups and downs, today Violet is gosu, few days later: welcome to B lvl again. Thats why S players so different: they are stable. Keep it simple. ForGG just slumped and after few attempts to recover decided to quit. And add to this that SCBW's future not so bright and we even can't be sure of the next season.
Time attacker...I will miss him, as I will any progamers who won a tournament. One of his most memorable games was (even though I didn't watch that many ForGG games) for me his 1 base mech timing push against Effort in Korean Air OSL. I appreciated his creativity and ballsiness in that game.
On December 29 2010 18:04 tomatriedes wrote: 10-1 he's going to SC2. If Zergbong can win a title in SC2 then Forgg should be able to win five.
LOL.
That would be nice. I just hope that we don't see more of KTFlash and JaedongOz's players leaving the SC1 scene simply because they're terrible compared to Flash or Jaedong.
The game he lost vs Kal's scout/dt is still one of the most memorable BW games of all time. Anyone who saw that live will never forget it. JD, Anytime, ForGG... that was supposed to be OZ's ticket to the top. Instead you get Ace Anytime, KT_ForGG, and child labor Jaedong... ahh sad times.
Hello everyone~ Thanks to all the viewers who have supported me. Did this sudden news scare everyone? As for the reason for my retirement, I can't tell everyone yet, I hope everyone understands. During this time I'm preparing to travel around and relax. To all the fans who've always supported me, I once again express my deepest apologies. I hope everyone stays healthy, happy new years.
And there be rampant speculation on why he retired. Popular theory includes arguments in the team/with coaching staff or something ~_~ Still just rumors/speculation though.
Forgg actually can still play quite well after the game with fbh he was still able to turn the tide and win although the wraiths did punish him a lot in the end forgg macro and gosu skill won the game . I still can't believe it why would he retire at his prime and it seems to be another effort like retirement ? . Kt losing another player this is not going to be good ........
On December 30 2010 05:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: ForGG posted this on his webpage:
Hello everyone~ Thanks to all the viewers who have supported me. Did this sudden news scare everyone? As for the reason for my retirement, I can't tell everyone yet, I hope everyone understands. During this time I'm preparing to travel around and relax. To all the fans who've always supported me, I once again express my deepest apologies. I hope everyone stays healthy, happy new years.
And there be rampant speculation on why he retired. Popular theory includes arguments in the team/with coaching staff or something ~_~ Still just rumors/speculation though.
On December 30 2010 05:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: ForGG posted this on his webpage:
Hello everyone~ Thanks to all the viewers who have supported me. Did this sudden news scare everyone? As for the reason for my retirement, I can't tell everyone yet, I hope everyone understands. During this time I'm preparing to travel around and relax. To all the fans who've always supported me, I once again express my deepest apologies. I hope everyone stays healthy, happy new years.
And there be rampant speculation on why he retired. Popular theory includes arguments in the team/with coaching staff or something ~_~ Still just rumors/speculation though.
On December 30 2010 08:05 TheNessman wrote: Wait.... The T line on KT before was just Flash and Forgg... now it's just flash...
Huh, i guess they are a bottom tier team... Wait what???
YellOw and Reach are back on KT, they will personally man up the other races of KT. Gawd its time like this, I wish BoxeR is still playing BW, It was my dream to see a team coached up of Boxer vs Yellow's team. Iloveoov and Reach too
woah, shit is getting mysterious. I don't believe it has to do with SC2, otherwise he would try and advance in his MSL group and retire should he get eliminated. Even if he didn't train at all for a few month, he still would have decent chances, beating HoGil and Perfectman would be realistic and that's real money.
Why can't he tell yet?
To me it sounds like there could be three reasons:
- a disease, maybe a depression - he did something illegal like Savior - the Korean rumours, arguments in team or with coaches
An indication for in-team-fights is KT's slump this season and Flash's MSL and OSL eliminations were just at this time.
Ok so basically if he isnt lying, which is very likely that he isnt. Its nothing about SC2 atleast.... lets hope its not about sexual abuse or something like that...
On December 30 2010 11:21 Deekin[ wrote: Ok so basically if he isnt lying, which is very likely that he isnt. Its nothing about SC2 atleast.... lets hope its not about sexual abuse or something like that...
If it was Bisu, I would understand this lol
Gosh, you guys are making me scared of what behind KT's door. What ever they are doing, LEAVE REACH AND YELLOW ALONE!
On December 30 2010 11:21 Deekin[ wrote: Ok so basically if he isnt lying, which is very likely that he isnt. Its nothing about SC2 atleast.... lets hope its not about sexual abuse or something like that...
Why would you even consider it to be sexual abuse...
On December 30 2010 11:21 Deekin[ wrote: Ok so basically if he isnt lying, which is very likely that he isnt. Its nothing about SC2 atleast.... lets hope its not about sexual abuse or something like that...
Why would you even consider it to be sexual abuse...
On December 30 2010 11:21 Deekin[ wrote: Ok so basically if he isnt lying, which is very likely that he isnt. Its nothing about SC2 atleast.... lets hope its not about sexual abuse or something like that...
Why would you even consider it to be sexual abuse...
maybe he was referring to the WeRRa incident?
Come on, you dont really think forgg retired because of something like that do you.
On December 30 2010 11:21 Deekin[ wrote: Ok so basically if he isnt lying, which is very likely that he isnt. Its nothing about SC2 atleast.... lets hope its not about sexual abuse or something like that...
Why would you even consider it to be sexual abuse...
maybe he was referring to the WeRRa incident?
Come on, you dont really think forgg retired because of something like that do you.
I don't think he was saying that he actually thought that forgg retired because of a sexual abuse incident, he was just referring to the WeRRa incident as an example of some embarrassing story that it might be similar to.
On December 30 2010 11:21 Deekin[ wrote: Ok so basically if he isnt lying, which is very likely that he isnt. Its nothing about SC2 atleast.... lets hope its not about sexual abuse or something like that...
Why would you even consider it to be sexual abuse...
maybe he was referring to the WeRRa incident?
Come on, you dont really think forgg retired because of something like that do you.
I don't think he was saying that he actually thought that forgg retired because of a sexual abuse incident, he was just referring to the WeRRa incident as an example of some embarrassing story that it might be similar to.
Eh, I just found it ridiculous that anyone would think that sexual harassment was a possible reason for forgg's retirement..
If only he didnt leave oz... i would still vote for oz in LB he wouldnt slump anymore AND i would love to see him play... but ill always remember his awesome timings that just roll his opponent over ^^ ForGG FIGHTING!!!!
FWIW, I doubt the decision was made in a hurry. My guess is he was going to retire anyway (maybe before the start of Winners League, or whenever his individual leagues ended) but couldn't agree with the coaching staff about his practice schedule so he decided to bring it forward.
I'm seriously unsure about what to think of the circumstances of his retirement. Retiring before MSL games means that it's unlikely that SC2 is his primary motive(not sure that's a good idea anyway, he makes a salary), it's in the middle of his contract so he probably was satisfied with it at the beginning(unlike Effort. Wasn't Jaedong in a similar position with his FA issue?), and something went wrong in the middle of it. He said he had to go on a vacation and not think about his problems, so it can't be an urgent family problem(he'd probably just take a leave if it was that anyways). That doesn't sound like a normal scenario for retirement. I'm thinking that KT having internal problems is a very possible reason. All their star players are doing worse than before, although Flash seems to be the least affected. Certainly it could be something internal, although that could be caused by their mediocre performance.
Bad luck on KT's part; they're falling apart more than anything else in the e-Sports scene right now and it's going to take more than just FlaSh in the Winner's League to turn things around.
I'm really hoping for the best for fOrGG; he was an interesting player to watch and is one of the few non-S-Class players to still boast a winning record over Jaedong. Hopefully the circumstances surrounding his retirement are a lot less serious than currently speculated and that, at the very least, he will be able to live a normal life post-Brood War.
Though if this was caused by KT's current atmosphere, then they need to shape up similarly to how CJ did over the past few years; FlaSh is good, but a team needs its other players to shape up lest they drop Winner's League like OZ did against CJ two years ago. For some reason, I can see a few other players randomly dropping out of KT eventually (hoeJJa and Barracks immediately jump to mind), but I hope that these type of retirements will occur a lot less than they really should.
On January 17 2011 20:33 masterbreti wrote: hoping this is not perament. i was watching his replays the other day and loved them. i'm hoping he comes back soon
he's lost his progaming license =.= he'll have to play SC2 or something like that, he won't be playing BW anymore.
On January 17 2011 20:33 masterbreti wrote: hoping this is not perament. i was watching his replays the other day and loved them. i'm hoping he comes back soon
he's lost his progaming license =.= he'll have to play SC2 or something like that, he won't be playing BW anymore.
He did? How did that happen? Is it something that just happens automatically if you retire? Can't he get it back if he wishes to return?
On January 17 2011 20:33 masterbreti wrote: hoping this is not perament. i was watching his replays the other day and loved them. i'm hoping he comes back soon
he's lost his progaming license =.= he'll have to play SC2 or something like that, he won't be playing BW anymore.
He did? How did that happen? Is it something that just happens automatically if you retire? Can't he get it back if he wishes to return?
WHY?
=<
It's in the OP. Forgg made a request to Kespa and they processed it.
No, it's not something that happens automatically. My guess is that because Forgg wanted to break his contract with KT, the only way was to put in a request to Kespa.
if he seriously left KT and Left MSL Ro16 or whatever it was... for SCII("high level" at this time well... then hes fucking stupid or a attention whore who wants another title..
On February 02 2011 14:35 rasers wrote: if he seriously left KT and Left MSL Ro16 or whatever it was... for SCII("high level" at this time well... then hes fucking stupid or a attention whore who wants another title..
Hes fucking forgg he wasn't gonna win msl, hes looking for the big bucks in sc2 where nothing but low b-team scrubs and mvp play, if he practices hard enough he will roll everyone!
On February 02 2011 14:35 rasers wrote: if he seriously left KT and Left MSL Ro16 or whatever it was... for SCII("high level" at this time well... then hes fucking stupid or a attention whore who wants another title..
Hes fucking forgg he wasn't gonna win msl, hes looking for the big bucks in sc2 where nothing but low b-team scrubs and mvp play, if he practices hard enough he will roll everyone!
pretty sure he still would make more money with BW. SURE money not "If i win money".
If he takes it seriously and practices as hard as he did during his BW peak then he has a great chance of being the best player in the world within a few months.
On February 02 2011 14:35 rasers wrote: if he seriously left KT and Left MSL Ro16 or whatever it was... for SCII("high level" at this time well... then hes fucking stupid or a attention whore who wants another title..
Hes fucking forgg he wasn't gonna win msl, hes looking for the big bucks in sc2 where nothing but low b-team scrubs and mvp play, if he practices hard enough he will roll everyone!
I doubt he'd even do well in SC2. While he's good at building lots of shit and throwing them at his opponent, he doesn't strike me as a player who is good enough at positioning units to actually win a SC2 tournament.
In fact the only time he was really successful was during the Arena MSL. Otherwise he won games fairly frequently for Oz but wasn't all that great. His TvT was always eeeeehhh, his TvZ was great statistically not because he was amazing at all aspects on it but was able to crush zergs before they could get the ball going, and his TvP collapsed when they figured out how to block the typical timing attack.
I wish him all the best in SC2 but what I don't understand is why he left mid-season when he could have left during the off season in October. Everything was in disarray when he left abruptly in round 2.
On February 02 2011 17:26 Vasoline73 wrote: lol yeah ForGG wouldn't do well in SC2. Just like that ZergBong guy... another crappy KTF player who sucked in SC1 and did terrible in SC2.... yep...
Nestea aka zergbong has won a GSL and recently made the RO4 last gsl. What are you talking about???
On February 02 2011 17:26 Vasoline73 wrote: lol yeah ForGG wouldn't do well in SC2. Just like that ZergBong guy... another crappy KTF player who sucked in SC1 and did terrible in SC2.... yep...
Zergbong won a GSL and made it to semis last season lol.
On February 02 2011 17:26 Vasoline73 wrote: lol yeah ForGG wouldn't do well in SC2. Just like that ZergBong guy... another crappy KTF player who sucked in SC1 and did terrible in SC2.... yep...
I know you're trying hard to be sarcastic but Forgg for the most part was KT's 2nd Ace player and vice-captain. Zergbong did indeed suck in BW. Hardly worth a comparison, even a sarcastic one.
lol are you guys being serious? Obviously I was being sarcastic and obviously I was replying to Womwomwom who was saying ForGG would probably be a bad SC2 player...
My point being that if Zergbong who sucked at BW became Nestea then ForGG who was actually good/decent A teamer at BW should be expected to preform well or even better.
Yeah I randomly chose Zergbong and didn't know he was Nestea. K.
On February 02 2011 17:26 Vasoline73 wrote: lol yeah ForGG wouldn't do well in SC2. Just like that ZergBong guy... another crappy KTF player who sucked in SC1 and did terrible in SC2.... yep...
Nestea aka zergbong has won a GSL and recently made the RO4 last gsl. What are you talking about???
On February 02 2011 17:26 Vasoline73 wrote: lol yeah ForGG wouldn't do well in SC2. Just like that ZergBong guy... another crappy KTF player who sucked in SC1 and did terrible in SC2.... yep...
Zergbong won a GSL and made it to semis last season lol.
Skill-wise fOrGG definitely has what it takes to be #1 SC2 considering the current pool of SC2 players but there is also the possibility that + Show Spoiler +
SC2 skill ceiling is too low
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So I wouldn't be surprised if MVP/IrOn/Zergbong take games off him.
On February 02 2011 17:26 Vasoline73 wrote: lol yeah ForGG wouldn't do well in SC2. Just like that ZergBong guy... another crappy KTF player who sucked in SC1 and did terrible in SC2.... yep...
Nestea aka zergbong has won a GSL and recently made the RO4 last gsl. What are you talking about???
On February 02 2011 17:26 Vasoline73 wrote: lol yeah ForGG wouldn't do well in SC2. Just like that ZergBong guy... another crappy KTF player who sucked in SC1 and did terrible in SC2.... yep...
Zergbong won a GSL and made it to semis last season lol.
What a strange turn of events. I'm sure that him retiring from BW was due to some pretty hefty (though unknown) personal reasons, which are perfectly understandable. His sudden retirement in the middle of MSL just wasn't a logical signal for a switch to SC2. A large factor in his retirement was probably non-SC2 related.
That being said, it should be really interesting to see how seriously he takes SC2. The game is so different that if you don't put in enough effort, no amount of skill can automatically make you win tournaments, as exhibited by Geumchi half-heartedly trying out SC2 only to not qualify for the GSL. It should be really exciting to see how a player of this caliber does at SC2 if he takes it seriously.
On February 02 2011 18:25 writer22816 wrote: Skill-wise fOrGG definitely has what it takes to be #1 SC2 considering the current pool of SC2 players but there is also the possibility that + Show Spoiler +
SC2 skill ceiling is too low
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So I wouldn't be surprised if MVP/IrOn/Zergbong take games off him.
I hope this doesn't turn into a SC1 vs SC2 debate because honestly it's so dull both sides just use the same argument over and over and i'm really tired of sifting through it.
forGG's playstyle may seem like it fits well with sc2, but in reality his playstyle came about from a deep understanding of the game and it's timings, something that no one has in SC2 and that no one will have for quite some time, and THAT is the reason that forGG will be pretty unsuccessful in SC2, at least until everyone else has the same opportunity as him.
Zergbong was kind of a weird case in Starcraft 1, where he planned and practiced solely for 2v2, and thenwhen it was removed he was like, um i have the mechanics for 1v1 but little of the knowledge and he sucked, and in SC2 as nestea, he has the same knowledge as everyone else (if not more) and still the mechanics to keep up, and so he is doing well. Nestea was not a Terrible BW player, he was a Terrible 1v1 player because he didn't know what to do. It's an inverse to how i'm a terrible BW player, i know what to do from watching so many pro games, i just don't have the mechanics to do most of it.
Pretty much the intelligent and creative SC1 players will do the best in Sc2, where the Sc1 players whose big ability was perfect macro and godly APM will suffer because of the lack of things to do with that APM and more things to do with your mind. they will likely focus on the wrong aspect of the game.
EDIT: not to mention that JulyZerg one of the best SC1 players to switch is struggling to keep up with warcraft 3 players Moon and Lyn, as well as a dozen other B teamers and randoms, because he focused too much on his mechanics in sc2 and he seems to lack the strategy and knowledge of his own race now. (he doesn't spread creep at all, which is integral to zerg)
Pretty much the intelligent and creative SC1 players will do the best in Sc2, where the Sc1 players whose big ability was perfect macro and godly APM will suffer because of the lack of things to do with that APM and more things to do with your mind. they will likely focus on the wrong aspect of the game.
... what? I don't know if you've ever played BW, but it really DOESN'T focus on mechanics as much as you SC2 players think.
Pretty much the intelligent and creative SC1 players will do the best in Sc2, where the Sc1 players whose big ability was perfect macro and godly APM will suffer because of the lack of things to do with that APM and more things to do with your mind. they will likely focus on the wrong aspect of the game.
... what? I don't know if you've ever played BW, but it really DOESN'T focus on mechanics as much as you SC2 players think.
I have. And i know it's not who can push the most buttons. but because of how developed the strategy and insight in BW is, there were three ways a BW player can stand out and succeed. Mechanics (by being that miniscule bit better edges you out numerous small advantages), Intelligence (making good decision as any given time gives you medium size advantages) Knowledge (ability to cut a worker, or move it around, or change something slightly knowing the exact effect it will have, as well as knowing best possible options at any given time)
Generally very few players won by mechanics in pro games, mostly the last two that gave BW players their dominance. but the creativity is a trait very few progamers exhibited regularly. and it's creativity thats needed in the formative years of a game, like sc2 is in. thats all, pretty much mechanics and knowledge won't transfer over the same way into SC2, and so intelligence and creativity are the best ways to succeed in sc2 based on the skillsets of BW.
Now this is my opinion, and i'm kind of a big BW fan and been watching pro games for a long time, though not as long as alot of you guys.
EDIT: i always do a very poor job explaining my meaning the first few times i explain something, i can try again if you still don't understand what i'm trying to say.
On February 02 2011 18:25 writer22816 wrote: Skill-wise fOrGG definitely has what it takes to be #1 SC2 considering the current pool of SC2 players but there is also the possibility that + Show Spoiler +
SC2 skill ceiling is too low
.
So I wouldn't be surprised if MVP/IrOn/Zergbong take games off him.
EDIT: not to mention that JulyZerg one of the best SC1 players to switch is struggling to keep up with warcraft 3 players Moon and Lyn, as well as a dozen other B teamers and randoms, because he focused too much on his mechanics in sc2 and he seems to lack the strategy and knowledge of his own race now. (he doesn't spread creep at all, which is integral to zerg)
Er no. July is a TV presenter for OGN, his attention is not fully on practicing. So of course he's going to struggle compared to full-time progamers. Do you seriously think he doesn't know he needs to spread creep etc?
On February 02 2011 19:27 PrinceXizor wrote:forGG's playstyle may seem like it fits well with sc2, but in reality his playstyle came about from a deep understanding of the game and it's timings, something that no one has in SC2 and that no one will have for quite some time, and THAT is the reason that forGG will be pretty unsuccessful in SC2, at least until everyone else has the same opportunity as him.
That doesn't make sense. If he has a better timing/economic sense than most in a game that has been studied for years (you won't have such sense by just copying), why wouldn't he have even bigger advantage in the matter in a game where people without as good innate timing sense have much less advanced stuff to study?
SC2 casual gamers really take BW Korean pros who switch to SC2 lightly .. they are overly underestimating their capabilities .. it's weird since most,if not all, of the top, the best of the best, in their game are ex-BW progamers (regardless of him being a B-teamer/A-teamer, proleaguer/dream leaguer)
On February 02 2011 20:54 aimaimaim wrote: SC2 casual gamers really take BW Korean pros who switch to SC2 lightly .. they are overly underestimating their capabilities .. it's weird since most,if not all, of the top, the best of the best, in their game are ex-BW progamers (regardless of him being a B-teamer/A-teamer, proleaguer/dream leaguer)
Yea all GSL winners have been really really (x10) mediocre brood war pros (except MVP who was sorta good for a few weeks))
On February 02 2011 20:54 aimaimaim wrote: SC2 casual gamers really take BW Korean pros who switch to SC2 lightly .. they are overly underestimating their capabilities .. it's weird since most,if not all, of the top, the best of the best, in their game are ex-BW progamers (regardless of him being a B-teamer/A-teamer, proleaguer/dream leaguer)
I agree. I really dont think players who just started playing starcraft 2 truly understand how ridiculously good BW pro gamers are. I dont think you truly appreciate these pro gamers until you try to grind through iccup and realize you are getting roflstomped by the people who get roflstomped by the people who will never be good enough to become b-teamers.
and then you switch over to sc2, play half unconscious most of the time, put zero thought into your play, no effort into improving and still manage to regularly get top 100 (in my case at least)
On February 02 2011 21:13 Yodo wrote: I wish there were some rule to ban ppl with SC2 obsession on SC1 forums.
Uh... those posts were SC2 obsession? I'd hate to see what you call actual trolls. If you're going to drive away people who actually have something to discuss regarding a topic relevant to BW just because you don't agree with them I'm not sure how you're going to attract 'casual gamers' to your game.
On February 02 2011 20:11 JohannesH wrote: why wouldn't he have even bigger advantage in the matter in a game where people without as good innate timing sense have much less advanced stuff to study?
Much less advanced stuff? Timings with the current map pool are much more difficult, and there is at least as much advanced stuff to do.
LOL why are you kidding yourselves. If ForGG ever plays sc2 he will dominate so hard it wont even be funny. He would be by far the most talented player in sc2 and thats just fact. All that micro, macro, multitasking from bw transfers over amazingly well into the easier gameplay system of sc2.
On February 02 2011 19:27 PrinceXizor wrote: Pretty much the intelligent and creative SC1 players will do the best in Sc2, where the Sc1 players whose big ability was perfect macro and godly APM will suffer because of the lack of things to do with that APM and more things to do with your mind. they will likely focus on the wrong aspect of the game.
EDIT: not to mention that JulyZerg one of the best SC1 players to switch is struggling to keep up with warcraft 3 players Moon and Lyn, as well as a dozen other B teamers and randoms, because he focused too much on his mechanics in sc2 and he seems to lack the strategy and knowledge of his own race now. (he doesn't spread creep at all, which is integral to zerg)
This isn't true, go back to GSL3. There were games where he had the best creep spread of anybody. He explained why he didn't spread creep at all in his up/down match recently. It was kind of a cute reason. He does lack knowledge of ZvZ though, haha.
It is hard to say how good ForGG will be. The (4?) a-teamers who have switched over have had inconsistent results. I count Sangho, MVP, Puma, and Guemchi.
My thinking on the whole is that anyone who played Brood War at an extremely high level should be able to dominate in SC2, but apparently, for instance, the game doesn't "click" with Sangho, or for some reason he's not able to grasp how to get good at it like he did with Brood War. The coach of his team is a former BW coach so it's still very hard to say why this would be.
On February 02 2011 20:11 JohannesH wrote: why wouldn't he have even bigger advantage in the matter in a game where people without as good innate timing sense have much less advanced stuff to study?
Much less advanced stuff? Timings with the current map pool are much more difficult, and there is at least as much advanced stuff to do.
Whatever you mean by difficult and advanced here, I simply said SC2 is a much less mapped out game.
SC2 is all about army engagement and battle micro. If you can engage in a favorable position then you will win even if you have fewer units. If you watch a lot of huk's games he will be ready to push out for like 10 minutes, but he will spend that time just moving his army around until it is in a favorable position to engage. The other way that players seem to win is by simple having better macro or micro, but if both players are equally skilled in micro and macro, then it becomes all about unit positioning and engagement. With the way units clump in sc2 it's basically an entirely new skill to learn. Some players are having success at it, others aren't.
On February 03 2011 02:36 Heimatloser wrote: plz close thread. every post is off topic
How is talking about him switching to sc2 and trying to predict his success off topic? If michael jordan suddenly stopped playing basketball and started playing baseball everyone would be doing the same thing.
On February 03 2011 01:24 Turgid wrote: It is hard to say how good ForGG will be. The (4?) a-teamers who have switched over have had inconsistent results. I count Sangho, MVP, Puma, and Guemchi.
If you're going to count Puma as an "a-teamer", you might as well count Iron and Nada as a-teamers. =\
On February 03 2011 02:36 Heimatloser wrote: plz close thread. every post is off topic
How is talking about him switching to sc2 and trying to predict his success off topic? If michael jordan suddenly stopped playing basketball and started playing baseball everyone would be doing the same thing.
Except that your entire paragraph below makes no mention of Forgg's retirement whatsoever. If you want to talk about SC2 strategies, the BW forum certainly isn't the place for it. Since Forgg is now reportedly an SC2 player, if you want to talk about his performance in SC2, go open a thread in the SC2 forum.
On February 03 2011 02:11 darmousseh wrote: SC2 is all about army engagement and battle micro. If you can engage in a favorable position then you will win even if you have fewer units. If you watch a lot of huk's games he will be ready to push out for like 10 minutes, but he will spend that time just moving his army around until it is in a favorable position to engage. The other way that players seem to win is by simple having better macro or micro, but if both players are equally skilled in micro and macro, then it becomes all about unit positioning and engagement. With the way units clump in sc2 it's basically an entirely new skill to learn. Some players are having success at it, others aren't.
On February 03 2011 01:24 Turgid wrote: It is hard to say how good ForGG will be. The (4?) a-teamers who have switched over have had inconsistent results. I count Sangho, MVP, Puma, and Guemchi.
If you're going to count Puma as an "a-teamer", you might as well count Iron and Nada as a-teamers. =\
Yeah scratch that then, I knew it was a little dubious when I wrote it. But I think the rest of that statement is solid.
On February 02 2011 19:27 PrinceXizor wrote: Pretty much the intelligent and creative SC1 players will do the best in Sc2, where the Sc1 players whose big ability was perfect macro and godly APM will suffer because of the lack of things to do with that APM and more things to do with your mind. they will likely focus on the wrong aspect of the game.
EDIT: not to mention that JulyZerg one of the best SC1 players to switch is struggling to keep up with warcraft 3 players Moon and Lyn, as well as a dozen other B teamers and randoms, because he focused too much on his mechanics in sc2 and he seems to lack the strategy and knowledge of his own race now. (he doesn't spread creep at all, which is integral to zerg)
It is hard to say how good ForGG will be. The (4?) a-teamers who have switched over have had inconsistent results. I count Sangho, MVP, Puma, and Guemchi.
Inconsistent? I think this is a little misleading. Guemchi didnt play sc2 seriously and Puma isnt really a-team. I'd say of the list, only MVP is playing seriously and he didnt start playing SC2 until retail when GSL was announced. BW pro gamers making a salary arent going to switch blindly to a new game unless there are starleagues to compete it.
Sangho is a bit more curious of a case. He quit BW on his own terms during the scandal and seemed like he had lost his passion for gaming. He didnt quit with the sole intention of playing sc2, but quit because he just did not want to play anymore. Id be surprised if hes training as hard as he did during BW.
On February 03 2011 11:18 Turgid wrote: Do you think TSL would let him slack off?
Yes. In fact, I know they would because their team was created to slack off. Fruitdealer and Tester stated the main reason for leaving oGs was because of the strict training schedules. They said they wanted to enjoy the game more. Also, Fruitdealer seems to have a lot of spare time on his hands when you listen to what he does in his free time (Snowboarding, drinking etc etc)
seems like forgg is moving into sc2 seriously. he'll be very strong, but i don't think he's clearly superior to mvp even based on bw skills. forgg is known for his timing attacks, but not only because he is good at timing attacks, but because he kind of sucks at late game and at improvisation once the game breaks down out of planned builds.
as a current a-teamer forgg will most probably have the fundamentals of scouting, advanced game sense and mechanics. with these alone he should be very strong, but it is a bit premature to predict dominance just yet.
one really good thing about forgg though is that he is excellent at analyzing opponents and prepare timing attacks in league series against them. this seems to position him well for sc2.
any bw progamer that plays abit sc2 to just learn the allins, should succed quite easily. Also with the larger maps even more so. GL to him in sc2 if that is really what he is going for.
On February 09 2011 09:33 Morale wrote: any bw progamer that plays abit sc2 to just learn the allins, should succed quite easily. Also with the larger maps even more so. GL to him in sc2 if that is really what he is going for.
How do large maps promote all-ins? Shouldn't it be the opposite, with small maps promoting all-in play?
The larger new maps in GSTL are really showing that macro based play in SC2 is possible if the map is large enough to nullify one-base pushes and cheap all-ins.
Anyways, hopefully the SC2 forGG will redefine and revolutionize timing attacks in SC2. Perhaps he is a worthy competitor against MVP.
Am I missing something here? Is there actually a single reliable source that forgg is gonna play pro sc2? (While ret is cool and all, he is not a reliable source in this case)
On February 09 2011 12:12 XsebT wrote: Am I missing something here? Is there actually a single reliable source that forgg is gonna play pro sc2? (While ret is cool and all, he is not a reliable source in this case)
I was wondering the same thing lol. Like three pages ago it was decided that Ret was the ultimate authority on the matter, and no one has asked about it since. I would be very surprised if forgg quit KT MIDSEASON with the intention of making a serious run at SC2.
On December 30 2010 05:10 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: ForGG posted this on his webpage:
Hello everyone~ Thanks to all the viewers who have supported me. Did this sudden news scare everyone? As for the reason for my retirement, I can't tell everyone yet, I hope everyone understands. During this time I'm preparing to travel around and relax. To all the fans who've always supported me, I once again express my deepest apologies. I hope everyone stays healthy, happy new years.
And there be rampant speculation on why he retired. Popular theory includes arguments in the team/with coaching staff or something ~_~ Still just rumors/speculation though.
I don't like the idea of ForGG leaving KT with a sick Violet and overworked Flash mid season, in R2 when they were struggling, to pursue a career in SC2. Why wouldn't he at least finish the round/MSL first? Even great could make the finals.
On February 14 2011 16:21 IntoTheEmo wrote: I don't like the idea of ForGG leaving KT with a sick Violet and overworked Flash mid season, in R2 when they were struggling, to pursue a career in SC2. Why wouldn't he at least finish the round/MSL first? Even great could make the finals.
On February 14 2011 16:21 IntoTheEmo wrote: I don't like the idea of ForGG leaving KT with a sick Violet and overworked Flash mid season, in R2 when they were struggling, to pursue a career in SC2. Why wouldn't he at least finish the round/MSL first? Even great could make the finals.
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To be fair he left before Violet was diagnosed.
Of course, but he hasn't mentioned anything (possibly due to the lack of updates) about Violet either, you'd think he'd apologize or something or even mention him at all.
On February 14 2011 16:21 IntoTheEmo wrote: I don't like the idea of ForGG leaving KT with a sick Violet and overworked Flash mid season, in R2 when they were struggling, to pursue a career in SC2. Why wouldn't he at least finish the round/MSL first? Even great could make the finals.
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From what I've seen, the main reason for his decision was not SC2 but probably something more personal, like family problems or personal problems with the team or maybe even personal issues with living the life of a progamer. Perhaps, like Guemchi, his desire to continue playing after a bit of "soul searching" led him to SC2, since his retirement would make it a bit difficult to immediately return to BW.
Then again, his SC2 "career" is nothing more than a rumor so far, with the most solid piece of evidence being Ret's one statement on SoTG.
On February 14 2011 16:21 IntoTheEmo wrote: I don't like the idea of ForGG leaving KT with a sick Violet and overworked Flash mid season, in R2 when they were struggling, to pursue a career in SC2. Why wouldn't he at least finish the round/MSL first? Even great could make the finals.
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To be fair he left before Violet was diagnosed.
Of course, but he hasn't mentioned anything (possibly due to the lack of updates) about Violet either, you'd think he'd apologize or something or even mention him at all.
Seems pretty bad to me :\
It's not surprising that we hear less from him after he retired. One of the perks of retirement, I guess
That doesn't mean he doesn't care about Violet. He probably has other ways to contact him.
On February 14 2011 17:04 Vasoline73 wrote: So is it confirmed ForGG is going to try SC2? Personally I hope he retires and comes back to BW fresh Guemchi style buttttt... yeah that's unlikely :/
I'm actually very surprised that Guemchi chose to return to BW, considering that GGPlay retired after seeing that he wouldn't be able to play for 6 months and how low the SC2 skill level is atm. Mad respect to him.
On February 14 2011 17:04 Vasoline73 wrote: So is it confirmed ForGG is going to try SC2? Personally I hope he retires and comes back to BW fresh Guemchi style buttttt... yeah that's unlikely :/
Highly doubt it. He has already lost his progamer license and probably not gonna get it back either cause he did leave before his contract was over.
On February 09 2011 09:33 Morale wrote: any bw progamer that plays abit sc2 to just learn the allins, should succed quite easily. Also with the larger maps even more so. GL to him in sc2 if that is really what he is going for.
How do large maps promote all-ins? Shouldn't it be the opposite, with small maps promoting all-in play?
The larger new maps in GSTL are really showing that macro based play in SC2 is possible if the map is large enough to nullify one-base pushes and cheap all-ins.
Anyways, hopefully the SC2 forGG will redefine and revolutionize timing attacks in SC2. Perhaps he is a worthy competitor against MVP.
I wrote it kinda wierd, what i meant was that the timing attacs and stuff. Youre absolutley correct that they should matter less with bigger maps.
Man , we need official confirmation probably. Basically what ret said was just " i think ForGG started playing" or something like that.
Would be funny if he actually read the TL thread and saw some people speculating that he is going sc2 and mention it in SOTG without much though because he was basically just winging the podcast.
Of coure it could be that he knows exactly and met him on the ladder before and something but seems unlikely that there are no Korean sources if he indeed had made the switch.
ForGG has always been one of my favourite players to watch and that fact that he is switching to SC2 if he feels he struggles too hard with SC:BW is IMHO a good thing. Looking forward to see probably the best SC:BW-player right now (or at least in recent memory) that switched to SC2.
On February 14 2011 22:49 kickinhead wrote: ForGG has always been one of my favourite players to watch and that fact that he is switching to SC2 if he feels he struggles too hard with SC:BW is IMHO a good thing. Looking forward to see probably the best SC:BW-player right now (or at least in recent memory) that switched to SC2.
There's been no confirmation of him switching to SC2 (only one source and that's just a rumor), and he definately wasn't the best bw player, especially nowadays.
On February 14 2011 22:49 kickinhead wrote: ForGG has always been one of my favourite players to watch and that fact that he is switching to SC2 if he feels he struggles too hard with SC:BW is IMHO a good thing. Looking forward to see probably the best SC:BW-player right now (or at least in recent memory) that switched to SC2.
There's been no confirmation of him switching to SC2 (only one source and that's just a rumor), and he definately wasn't the best bw player, especially nowadays.
he said "best bw player to do the switch". and he was measuring goodness by regular appearance in starleagues and proleague. so yes, he would be the best bw player to do the switch.
but i dont believe that forGG would switch. he just doesnt fit on any of the sc2 teams except maybe IM and IM needs only a good protoss.
On February 14 2011 22:49 kickinhead wrote: ForGG has always been one of my favourite players to watch and that fact that he is switching to SC2 if he feels he struggles too hard with SC:BW is IMHO a good thing. Looking forward to see probably the best SC:BW-player right now (or at least in recent memory) that switched to SC2.
There's been no confirmation of him switching to SC2 (only one source and that's just a rumor), and he definately wasn't the best bw player, especially nowadays.
he said "best bw player to do the switch". and he was measuring goodness by regular appearance in starleagues and proleague. so yes, he would be the best bw player to do the switch.
but i dont believe that forGG would switch. he just doesnt fit on any of the sc2 teams except maybe IM and IM needs only a good protoss.
Well I can only imagine something like Lucifer from FOX makes a switch from BW to SC2, then stomp the crap out of the competition there, and then each version will have a Lee Young Ho.
On February 14 2011 16:21 IntoTheEmo wrote: I don't like the idea of ForGG leaving KT with a sick Violet and overworked Flash mid season, in R2 when they were struggling, to pursue a career in SC2. Why wouldn't he at least finish the round/MSL first? Even great could make the finals.
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From what I've seen, the main reason for his decision was not SC2 but probably something more personal, like family problems or personal problems with the team or maybe even personal issues with living the life of a progamer. Perhaps, like Guemchi, his desire to continue playing after a bit of "soul searching" led him to SC2, since his retirement would make it a bit difficult to immediately return to BW.
Then again, his SC2 "career" is nothing more than a rumor so far, with the most solid piece of evidence being Ret's one statement on SoTG.
On February 14 2011 16:21 IntoTheEmo wrote: I don't like the idea of ForGG leaving KT with a sick Violet and overworked Flash mid season, in R2 when they were struggling, to pursue a career in SC2. Why wouldn't he at least finish the round/MSL first? Even great could make the finals.
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From what I've seen, the main reason for his decision was not SC2 but probably something more personal, like family problems or personal problems with the team or maybe even personal issues with living the life of a progamer. Perhaps, like Guemchi, his desire to continue playing after a bit of "soul searching" led him to SC2, since his retirement would make it a bit difficult to immediately return to BW.
Then again, his SC2 "career" is nothing more than a rumor so far, with the most solid piece of evidence being Ret's one statement on SoTG.
What did Ret say exactly ? I don't watch SoTG .
He basically said that he heard that ForGG is currently playing SC2.
Nothing more, nothing less. It was just that one sentence that is the source off all these rumors about ForGG switching over, so there really aren't any more solid sources right now.
On February 15 2011 02:17 doothegee wrote: What's the equivalent of a 2fac in SC2? >_>
Against protoss: 3 barracks, 2 reactor'd, 1 tech lab, make stim with tech lab, hide marauders and excess marines, make marines with 2 reactor'd barracks and do a very strong push when stim is done.
EPT
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Park Ji Soo, forever will be missed.
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have u retired from taking e-sports pics? 
