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Poll: Do you use Return Cargo?
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Something that always irritate me when watching starleague vods is all the pros, such as rA, never uses the return cargo command. It's very convenient for when you are maynarding peons to a new expansion or defending against lings.
For those that doesn't use it or know what it is,
return cargo is a command for peons that can be used when your peons is doing anything else but mining.
Given a situation such as 3 lings is in your base, trying hit-and-run tactics and taking shots at your Probes. You'd would do the typical clump in mineral/gas and attack command.
Once the lings retreat, it's a lot more efficient to drag a box over those probes and hit "C", than just right-click them on a clump of mineral. The Probes that has a mineral clump on their hands will return it to the your closest Nexus first, before going back to the mineral line. The probes without one simply head back to the mineral line without making a trip to your local Nexus.
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i don't even know wtf it is.
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wow, let me hightlight why it's a good command then.
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Always. Whenever I'm maynarding and nexus/cc/hatch isn't done yet and peons are coming back to main, always use C 
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Norway28675 Posts
I use it occasionally. but not particulary often. 
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Thanks for bringing this up, I'd like to add a little tip, when you are like protoss on 6 and it's wicked hard to get the probe to the mineral because you end up grabbing like 2 or 3 bc they are bringing back to nexus, you can make a box aeround the probe (and geto thero nes too), and then shift click on mineral, and tha'tll make only that one go to the mineral.
I'll have to try that return cargo thing, it sounds really intersting and helpful. The only time I really use return cargo is when I am floating down a cc to my expo and i send my scvs too early and many of them are on route back to the cc and I highlight those ones and press c, making them see that the cc has landed and return minerals.
Also I use it in 13/15/21 trix ^^
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Sweden33719 Posts
On September 06 2004 20:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: I use it occasionally. but not particulary often.
Ditto. Very seldom though ~~ Occasionally might be way too often to describe the usage it sees at my command -_-
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doesn't SEEM too useful to me
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everytime i used return cargo it would lag my peons momentarily so i just stopped using it all together
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yep.. whenever someone tries to peon harass a worker of mine with minerals
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I prolly use it more often than most people I know. Most people don't even know about this command. H_Paul_WII was telling me at lan that he just learned about it the week prior. Imagine that...
but ya it is useful for when probes return monies before nex is done and I use it in timing with my first pylon too because the way I split my end probes return money around the time I get my first 100 mins.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Use it ALL the time.
Mostly when I'm maynarding drones to natural early game when it just finishes, if it didn't finish yet, and drones are moving towards my main hatch, Í'll keep them around my natural exp, when it finishes, I select the drones and press C ;O
Oh and when fending of scv harassing my drones early game, and I select a drone that just got a mineral block, I'll tell it to return cargo when the scv backs off.
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i use it in most of my games. i like to use it when i select 2 scvs (and one has minerals) on accident to build something, when i only meant to select one, then i'll hit C and then i'll click the scv with no minerals to go build something. maybe that sounds long but it rly only takes a second.
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is "maynarding"?
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Solar, its when you have an expo just finishing, and in order to make ur macro more efficeint, you transfer peons to the expo, most of the top players, go ahead and split them while their on their way, like 2 a clump or so. Its just 'to transfer'. Named after Maynard, who posts here occasionally, guess he was the first big player to think of it, i dunno.
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oh, and no i never heard of this command
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it is amazing how you people have never heard of it.... its a button on the command console havent any of you been curious about what it is?
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6yrs playing bw, and i never once looked. Ive still never mc'ed a peon and used it as toss and ive never used feedback, ever  Thats prolly the only possible down size with bw, there is only so far you can venture from the 'norm' and still be in contention for winning. Unless you course you do crazy cool stuff that slows ur opponent down alot. Like the medic blind/wraith builds.
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On September 07 2004 00:20 NoRTyDoG wrote:
it is amazing how you people have never heard of it.... its a button on the command console havent any of you been curious about what it is?
How is it one say: Curiosity killed the cat?
Hence never take chances by pressing buttons with unknown function, one day that button will trigger a nuke... in your base.
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At pg challenge 2001 Mr.X LAUGHED at Didi8 because he mineral clicked a probe back to his base, when it was carrying minerals, instead of just pressing C.
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You can abuse return cargo to brake etc. a zealotwall in choke without having vision to enemy minerals.... Just like with the newly discovered worker stack bug Its a part of the 20 trix ums map
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United Kingdom10597 Posts
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On September 06 2004 20:44 exalted wrote:
Thanks for bringing this up, I'd like to add a little tip, when you are like protoss on 6 and it's wicked hard to get the probe to the mineral because you end up grabbing like 2 or 3 bc they are bringing back to nexus, you can make a box aeround the probe (and geto thero nes too), and then shift click on mineral, and tha'tll make only that one go to the mineral.
I'll have to try that return cargo thing, it sounds really intersting and helpful. The only time I really use return cargo is when I am floating down a cc to my expo and i send my scvs too early and many of them are on route back to the cc and I highlight those ones and press c, making them see that the cc has landed and return minerals.
Also I use it in 13/15/21 trix ^^
i have a new tip, sounds simple but it does work
if ur scv/probe is holding a mineral and is going to build something, pressing shift + C is somewat way faster than dragging to see a mineral block and shift right clicking (return to work after building)
guess everyone is used to the shift right click way to get it back to work asap but heres something to think about
edit o nvm sorry
On September 07 2004 01:52 Breeze wrote:
At pg challenge 2001 Mr.X LAUGHED at Didi8 because he mineral clicked a probe back to his base, when it was carrying minerals, instead of just pressing C.
if u get it =P
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So big momma, what ur saying is that if u pick up a bunch of peons, some with and some without cargo and you want them to return to ur mineral line, c will make them ALL go? cuz honestly i didnt think it would work with peons that had no money in their hands.
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Never heard of it, never tried it. Gonna see if it works in my next game tho, _IF_ i remember about this post by the time i get onto bnet.
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On September 22 2004 07:38 SpuniasauR wrote:
So big momma, what ur saying is that if u pick up a bunch of peons, some with and some without cargo and you want them to return to ur mineral line, c will make them ALL go? cuz honestly i didnt think it would work with peons that had no money in their hands. Im pretty sure your right, thats the reason I dont use it often
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i knew about it, just hardly ever use it
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United States10774 Posts
I didn't even know what it was until you told me. ;o
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On September 22 2004 07:38 SpuniasauR wrote:
So big momma, what ur saying is that if u pick up a bunch of peons, some with and some without cargo and you want them to return to ur mineral line, c will make them ALL go? cuz honestly i didnt think it would work with peons that had no money in their hands.
Yes it will only work if your group of selected peons either all carry a mineral patch, or a mix of peons with or without one. The ones carrying mineral patch will automatically go to the nearest hatch/cc/nexus before going back to mine, and the ones without one will automatically go mining.
What the command "C" won't work on are if your selected peon(s) isn't carrying a mineral patch on hand.
This command works for gas as well.
Try it out yourself, it's much simpler than explaining.
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Doesnt the return carbo icon appear only if they are carrying cargo? I seriously doubt that they will go and collect minerals (or gas for that matter) with this command unless their allready carrying it.
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Almost nobody does this: When an expo goes up and i transfer 8-12 workers to it, I grab them, order to gather the minerals in nat and then immediately press "C". So instead of literally wasting time and money, uselessly carrying minerals on route to the expo, you get ~24-48 minerals ~5-10+ seconds faster for cost of pressing 1 button.
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I use it every time i maynard or when my probes are being attacked like you described
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Sweden33719 Posts
On September 07 2004 11:35 Hot77.iEy wrote: You can abuse return cargo to brake etc. a zealotwall in choke without having vision to enemy minerals.... Just like with the newly discovered worker stack bug Its a part of the 20 trix ums map
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How!
If it isnt inisde wouldnt it go back home?
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Off topic: Breeze u were at PG CHallenge 2k1 ?? Lol , was there too...
On topic: Never used it, shows how many things about BW I still don't know. Just bought the official BW guide todaj at a PC Bang. LOL
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On September 22 2004 08:29 Jethro wrote:
Doesnt the return carbo icon appear only if they are carrying cargo? I seriously doubt that they will go and collect minerals (or gas for that matter) with this command unless their allready carrying it.
Think about it like this. When you select some marines with SCV, you can use hold position command so the SCV hold position too. They don't normally have the hold position command though. So if you have a few peon with and without mineral, it will work for all.
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I've tried and it doesn't seem to work...
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i didnt even know that...thats awesome >:0
i need to start using that
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