EPTPL 10-11 R1 Rosters - Page 5
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Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
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Antoine
United States7481 Posts
ok and about Reach, he has 2 weeks left in his military service, so that's why he's not on ace. There's no way that somebody who only would be around for 1 or 2 games is going to be on a team. And, since he's still in the Air Force for 2 weeks, that's why he's not on KT. So, we don't know anything about whether or not he's switching to sc2 yet, but since he told me last week that he's going back to KT when he's discharged, I think I'm going to believe him. | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 15 2010 22:38 SuperArc wrote: If you dont call Snow solid then there is no reason to call Tempest, forgg, Hoejja or Action (and maybe even Violet) solid. And guess what, that is KT's half lineup. Snow used to be under 30% in PvZ, now he's 50. And his PvPs vs Bisu were damn close too. He has played 12 games in total in PvZ for christ sake (and almost all of them are vs terrible players anyway). Trying to argue that he's good and solid based on that sample pool is silly. Trying to argue that he's crap is pretty silly as well. I'm simply saying that Snow has thus far done absolutely nothing notable outside of his awesome PvT wins, and he has to prove himself before we can make any type of proper judgement about him. You try to make it sound like he's already some established top player. Guess what; he's not. And I really wouldn't call Forgg solid btw; few players have such a huge skillgap between their best possible performances and their worst. One day he beats JD, the next he loses to Hogil. But he is far more proven than a player like Snow. ^__^ | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On October 15 2010 22:58 Holgerius wrote: He has played 12 games in total in PvZ for christ sake (and almost all of them are vs terrible players anyway). Trying to argue that he's good and solid based on that sample pool is silly. Trying to argue that he's crap is pretty silly as well. I'm simply saying that Snow has thus far done absolutely nothing notable outside of his awesome PvT wins, and he has to prove himself before we can make any type of proper judgement about him. You try to make it sound like he's already some established top player. Guess what; he's not. And neither are Tempest, Hoejja, forgg (post arena) or Action. So why do you call KT's lineup deep? Or let me quote "On paper KT will roflstomp with a Bo7 format." With what, three players alone (Flash, Stats, ~Violet)? And Snow's Dream league record includes many A-teamers and he still was unbeaten. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
If you dont call Snow solid then there is no reason to call Tempest, forgg, Hoejja or Action (and maybe even Violet) solid. Just throwing it out there is no reason to call any of the players you just listed as solid. Tempest is randomly awesome or awful, same with Forgg, Hoejja is perpetually awful but can squeak an awesome win sometimes, and Action's hive tech play is the complete opposite of his lair tech play and the reason of his failures. If the stars align, KT will do well, if they don't welp Flash carry the weight boy. On October 15 2010 23:07 SuperArc wrote: And neither are Tempest, Hoejja, forgg (post arena) or Action. So why do you call KT's lineup deep? Or let me quote "On paper KT will roflstomp with a Bo7 format." With what, three players alone (Flash, Stats, ~Violet)? And Snow's Dream league record includes many A-teamers and he still was unbeaten. Protip: Every lineup has massive weaknesses after their 3rd best player or thereabouts. Look at SKT for christ's sake. KT can have a slew of massively flawed players but that still makes them deep if they are comparatively as good, or better, than the opposition's weaker players. If you go pair Forgg against Hyuk or Canata, for example, you can probably expect him to win even if he's a pretty awful player a lot of the time. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
They have the depth, they have (if Action delivers that is) good players of all races and they have the bonjwa in their line-up in case of ace games. I think KT are strong favourites to win again. And I guess we'll have to wait and see when it comes to Snow. ^__^ | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
Then i saw he was captain and was like "fuck yeah"  | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 15 2010 23:25 tree.hugger wrote: Oh hey look, people still play BW for a living. I almost forgot... The long wait is finally over, woooohooooo! :D I am so excite! | ||
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jpak
United States5045 Posts
 MuMyung?Coach:  PusanWow. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On October 15 2010 22:38 SuperArc wrote: If you dont call Snow solid then there is no reason to call Tempest, forgg, Hoejja or Action (and maybe even Violet) solid. And guess what, that is KT's half lineup. Snow used to be under 30% in PvZ, now he's 50. And his PvPs vs Bisu were damn close too. The problem is Snow might be CJ's number two player. Unless Skyhigh's or Movie's form improves that's going to be a huge responsibility. KT has 2 players who are clearly better than Snow and 3 more who are around his level or slightly better (fOrGG, Violet and Action). FWIW fOrGG and Violet _are_ solid and the rest don't really need to be. They just need to pick up a few wins here and there. Having a deep lineup is great but you need to win at least a few games at the top too. And while Leta is a great player he's not one of the best aces out there. I feel like CJ needs at least one or two players to improve drastically if they are to have a shot at the title. Of course their lineup is deep enough that it might just happen. | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
Officially they are still without a director. Mumyung is just head coach. http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=33321 | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On October 15 2010 22:58 Holgerius wrote: And I really wouldn't call Forgg solid btw; few players have such a huge skillgap between their best possible performances and their worst. One day he beats JD, the next he loses to Hogil. But he is far more proven than a player like Snow. ^__^ I think he's solid enough for a team format. He can be played in any matchup, he can snipe top players and he'll have great results against fillers. I doubt he's going to slump again like he did in OZ. Sure, there's a big gap between his best and his worst, but when your best is winning a starleague that's ok. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On October 15 2010 22:38 SuperArc wrote: If you dont call Snow solid then there is no reason to call Tempest, forgg, Hoejja or Action (and maybe even Violet) solid. And guess what, that is KT's half lineup. Snow used to be under 30% in PvZ, now he's 50. And his PvPs vs Bisu were damn close too. Tempest manhandled an SKTzerg, too, and I didn't sing his graces either, just nominally mentioned him as part of the lineup -- though Wax is right about Tempest being a definite drop off from the absolutely solid Flash/ForGG/Violet/Stats/Action lineup. Snow is better than tempest, but he is not all around solid. I believe he's, say, a better specialty player than a loadbearing player who can be played more flexibly like Stats or Leta. The problem is is that Hite Entus has an abundance of snipers and that takes away from Snow's PvT specialization. He is absolutely capable of beating a zerg sometimes. But he's not proven to be even mildly consistent or good at it. I mean, no more than anyone else who beats soo and s2. edit: also you derided ForGG. I don't get that. ForGG is well proven in his TvZ and TvT. His TvP is shaky but I wouldn't even begin to call it as shaky as Snow's PvZ. Snow will most likely develop into a better player given time, but for this season it's silly to say he's more of an asset than ForGG to a team. Also, no one is saying Snow is worse than Hoejja or tempest. I wrote a whole lot of words and I didn't go into a diatribe on your favorite players individually because I was doing my best to be nominally unbiased. Snow is a greater player than KT's bottom 2. He's probably the #2 all around player on his team, but that is honestly not saying much because Hitentus is basically what CJ was if you replace Effort with Leta and add MOAR SNIPAHS. KT is deep in the sense that, if you ranked their players 1 2 3 4 5 6 with every other team's 1 2 3 4 5 6 they'd probably come out on top or fairly even to everyone but STX, and maybe Woongjin and SKT. | ||
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
KT has a pretty deep line up right now. Flash/Violet/Stats/ForGG/Action is about as good as it gets. A potential problem area would be in the 6th man slot, but I don't have any doubts that Tempest, Hoejja and Anyppi can step up and do adequately. I'm mostly pining my hopes on Tempest, he seems to have changed his attitude towards his games in 2010 and started to take things seriously. That, coupled with his amazing storms and good corsair play, I think we can expect some good games from him. Hoejja would be a great protoss sniper, but with KT having no problems against protoss (Stats/Violet/Tempest are all >60% against protoss, Flash is the best TvPer of all time), he will struggle to find his niche. He is undoubtedly a talented player, but whether he can produce what us KT fans know he is capable of is a big question mark. Still, I'm optimistic. Anyppi on the other hand, is a raw talent that I have high hopes of. + Show Spoiler + As a KT fan, I have to say I'm absolutely ecstatic at the rolster(lol sorry, can't resist) that KT has. I suppose the other contenders would be SKT and Woongjin, they have great depth as well, but I suppose KT would edge them considering Flash would win KT the set when it comes to the Ace match. Cannot wait for tomorrow! | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
is that their new title for perpetual playing partner? | ||
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