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On October 16 2010 02:13 teamsolid wrote:TBH, I think the teams are way more balanced now that Estro players got drafted out and Hite/Entus merged. I can name 3-4 solid/promising players on every team now (aside from ACE). KT and SKT1 still look the most OP though, with at least 5 big names each. Should be an exciting season. Show nested quote +On October 15 2010 16:53 GTR wrote:Samsung KHAN Stork, JangBi,  greatWoongjin Starsfree,  Really, ZerOWemade FOXPure, Midas, BaBy Hwaseung OZJaedong BackHo, HiyA, Lomohite ENTUSSnow, Movie, Leta, sKyHigh, KT RolsterViolet Stats, fOrGG, Flash, ActionMBCgame HEROSea, Light, HyuNSK Telecom T1Hyuk Bisu, BeSt Fantasy, KwanroSTX SoulKal, Shuttle, FrOzen, Calm
I agree with most of what you've written, but i think that if you're going to count backho, you should probably count Roro or Shine for Fox.
And i also think ACE actually looks pretty decent, FBH, Ruby, Much and Yellow all have the ability to win games in this next season.
I am so excited! the bo7 format means that newbies will actually get to play! i think its looking good.
OZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On October 16 2010 02:25 bokchoi wrote:
So Busan didn't make ace? Or just didnt go to the army?
He didn't make ACE. They took FBH over Pusan. So he stayed with MBC, now he's a coach. =)
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Now that Boxer isn't on T1 I have to root for another team. I have to find the balance between not being a sellout bandwagoner (SKT, KT) and not rooting for a team that is only going to give me bad moments. If Reach was still in ACE I would choose them... But Yellow isn't enough.
Decisions, decisions.
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Watching SKT without that slim possibility of Boxer playing just wont be the same =(
Also here is hoping that now with backho Oz can get to post season again!
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On October 16 2010 03:26 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 03:16 Assymptotic wrote:
CJ Entus with a weak zerg line-up. I never thought I'd see the day. I fail to see where this assumption is coming from, Hydra and Hogil are far from weak.
The only team we beat in terms of zerg line-up are KT, MBC and Ace...
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I took a cursory glance at the rosters, I don't know what's been happening in SC lately, I don't know anything about this SC2 bullshit, but I have to say - these rosters and the fact that some teams aren't here makes me interested in this Proleague season 
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I think a lot of people are overestimating Action still. He's got awesome potential, and enough skill to be assured a regular starting spot, but I don't think he's gonna be more than a 55% or so win rate player for round one. I expect him to deliver similar results to luxury for the near future, and then we'll see if playing at KT develops his potential.
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On October 16 2010 06:45 Waxangel wrote:
I think a lot of people are overestimating Action still. He's got awesome potential, and enough skill to be assured a regular starting spot, but I don't think he's gonna be more than a 55% or so win rate player for round one. I expect him to deliver similar results to luxury for the near future, and then we'll see if playing at KT develops his potential.
Given that Luxury was (technically) good enough to win a MSL, I think that's good enough for KT for now.
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Essentially only Hogil, Leta, Horang2 and Puma made in on the rooster. The other player to survive judging from the Hite Entus entry on TLPD Britney survived and that's it right? No Tazza or the Sparkyz's zerg players that looked like mini July, Clay, and I think there was another. Oh well, I hope they do well on this team.
Changed my profile favorite team to Hite Entus = CJ logo, hopefully there is a new team logo?
Maybe new uniforms too?
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On October 16 2010 06:45 Waxangel wrote:
I think a lot of people are overestimating Action still. He's got awesome potential, and enough skill to be assured a regular starting spot, but I don't think he's gonna be more than a 55% or so win rate player for round one. I expect him to deliver similar results to luxury for the near future, and then we'll see if playing at KT develops his potential.
Honestly, a winrate above 50% is all I'm hoping for, for now. That would already be a huge improvement over the last rounds of last season, when you already knew you were getting a loss whenever KT sent out 815, Firefist, and to a slightly lesser extent Hoejja. Especially against terran.
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Uhm, guys, where's the Liquibet for this season? Don't tell me all the staff think that the league will die in the middle of the road hence no Liquibet for BW?
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Woonjin looking sic!
KT looking imba w/ the Action addition
Hit Entus will be interesting
BW FTW!
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On October 16 2010 03:01 Lightwip wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 02:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:You know, Violet said something pretty insightful right before the finals. A lot of people hyped the SKT protosses, saying they were the best, but he proudly pointed out that KT tosses (Mostly him and Stats but Tempest had a good record too) were the best protoss lineup of the season. Not only did they win more games, they beat out their SKT competition more often than not, most recently in both R5 and the Finals.
Stats is better than both Bisu and Best. I won't even flinch in saying that. Maybe not at their respective peaks, but they've shown very little of those peaks in recent times, whereas Stats is just getting better. Looking at their records, I can really say that I think that their only GOOD matchup is PvP. Admittedly, they did win quite a bit against the SKT tosses in R5, but a good number of those are simply BO advantages(the one in the finals was exploiting 2 gate DT) rather than more impressive play. But their other matchups are quite weak. However far they strayed from their peaks, I can tell you that Bisu sure as hell wouldn't lose a series to Hydra and that Best is much better at PvT than both of them.
Rofl, what, Bisu wouldn't lose a series to a no name zerg? Come on now, that's been his MO for like a year now.
On October 16 2010 03:26 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 02:42 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Stats is better than both Bisu and Best. I won't even flinch in saying that. Maybe not at their respective peaks, but they've shown very little of those peaks in recent times, whereas Stats is just getting better. One has to be delusional to say that Stats is better than the greatest protoss of all times, or the monster macro protoss. Stats is a really solid, good protoss player, but he doesn't match Bisu or Best yet.
Stats is better at PvP and PvZ than Best, Best's PvT is immaculate but it's not like it's in lieu of Stats being horrible at the matchup -- he's damned good at every protoss matchup and he seems to be the only protoss not named Stork who has this quality. Bisu PvT has been worse than both Stats and Violet in recent times and his PvP is at best comparable. You can't say with a straight face that in CURRENT form that the SKT tosses are better.
They may end up better this season as Bisu is a giant question mark, but his league runs didn't inspire much confidence. It seems like his only stable matchup is PvP, which he isn't even particularly better at since KT tosses have wicked PvP records.
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FBH and Much :O
Woongjin's lineup is so sick I can barely contain myself.
Pikachu on SKT makes me sick.
TOSSGIRL!
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Meh, KT fanboys here are all like Action>Kwanro.
As far as result goes, Kwanro>Action in term rankings, achievements and win rates. Kwanro is an excellent all round player with no weak matchup.
Action, on the other hand, worth little of mentioning except for his late game against Terran. If it were not for that one single match against Flash, few here on TL would even care about him.
Let's not forget that SKT displayed great strength last season despite the dismal performance of its Protoss lineup throughout pretty much the entire season.
This season is different. Fantasy, Bisu and Best are all looking stronger than their spring season selves. And this time, we have Kwanro, who can kwanroll even the best of the best.
Btw, this bo7 format may actually work in favor of ACE. BO5 format placed greater emphasis on the top tier one or two ace players in a team, the type which ACE did not have. However, let's face it, the lower tier portion of teams like Oz or MBC is little better than ACE's players.
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Yeah man it's not like Action 3-0'd his OSL group filled with 3 top class players from each race recently and only got knocked out because he ran into Jaedong.
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On October 16 2010 08:28 dukethegold wrote:
Kwanro is an excellent all round player
I will agree with you that kwanro>action, but not even kwanro thinks he is a well rounded player.
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On October 16 2010 08:42 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2010 08:28 dukethegold wrote:
Kwanro is an excellent all round player I will agree with you that kwanro>action, but not even kwanro thinks he is a well rounded player.
I think he meant that Kwanro doesn't have a weak MU.
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On October 16 2010 08:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah man it's not like Action 3-0'd his OSL group filled with 3 top class players from each race recently and only got knocked out because he ran into Jaedong.
he didn't, he lost to Bisu
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On October 16 2010 08:40 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Yeah man it's not like Action 3-0'd his OSL group filled with 3 top class players from each race recently and only got knocked out because he ran into Jaedong.
1. He lost to Bisu
2. ZvZ/Effort didn't play that well
3. Zergliner, although it was a decent game regardless.
Not really.
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