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Bean54
United States85 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:27 TwoToneTerran wrote: Tempest manhandled an SKTzerg, too, and I didn't sing his graces either, just nominally mentioned him as part of the lineup -- though Wax is right about Tempest being a definite drop off from the absolutely solid Flash/ForGG/Violet/Stats/Action lineup. Snow is better than tempest, but he is not all around solid. I believe he's, say, a better specialty player than a loadbearing player who can be played more flexibly like Stats or Leta. The problem is is that Hite Entus has an abundance of snipers and that takes away from Snow's PvT specialization. He is absolutely capable of beating a zerg sometimes. But he's not proven to be even mildly consistent or good at it. I mean, no more than anyone else who beats soo and s2. edit: also you derided ForGG. I don't get that. ForGG is well proven in his TvZ and TvT. His TvP is shaky but I wouldn't even begin to call it as shaky as Snow's PvZ. Snow will most likely develop into a better player given time, but for this season it's silly to say he's more of an asset than ForGG to a team. Also, no one is saying Snow is worse than Hoejja or tempest. I wrote a whole lot of words and I didn't go into a diatribe on your favorite players individually because I was doing my best to be nominally unbiased. Snow is a greater player than KT's bottom 2. He's probably the #2 all around player on his team, but that is honestly not saying much because Hitentus is basically what CJ was if you replace Effort with Leta and add MOAR SNIPAHS. KT is deep in the sense that, if you ranked their players 1 2 3 4 5 6 with every other team's 1 2 3 4 5 6 they'd probably come out on top or fairly even to everyone but STX, and maybe Woongjin and SKT. Dude what are you talking about. Snow's PvZ is at least two classes better than forgg's TvP. Snow rarely looked bad in his losses, forgg looks horrible in the majority of his TvP. You must have missed Snow being the only solid player apart from Effort in CJ. Without Snow we wouldnt even have been in post-season. So yes, Snow is contributing more than forgg. Just cause he can sometimes play decent vs Kal doesnt mean he is any good in this matchup. Snow is at least as good as Violet and only worse than Flash and Stats. forgg's time is long over. And of course KT fares better than all other teams since their 1>>>>>> all others. | ||
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oBlade
United States6213 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I'll name you a top protoss ForGG beat last SEASON. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:42 TwoToneTerran wrote: Name one top zerg that Snow has beaten. I'll name you a top protoss ForGG beat last SEASON. Kwanro. Oh yeah since when did beating protoss become harder than beating zergs? I mean the leagues are swarmed with good protoss players, right? | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5822 Posts
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:45 maybenexttime wrote: Where is Iris? T____T Did he retire or something? Isn't he joining ACE? | ||
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MageKirby
United States535 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Maybe stealing flash's build orders, too. | ||
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POWEROUTAGE
Singapore884 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:41 SuperArc wrote: Snow's PvZ is at least two classes better than forgg's TvP. Wow how can you even start to claim that? How many games of PvZ has Snow played exactly? I am in no way slighting Snow's PvZ, but you're considering too small a sample size even if you can quantify how much Snow is better than ForGG comparing the different matchups. In other news, ForGG is extremely reliable in TvT and TvZ, the latter matchup in which he can be considered to be S class. On October 16 2010 00:41 SuperArc wrote: And of course KT fares better than all other teams since their 1>>>>>> all others. Not to mention KT's 2,3,4,5 > most of the others too bar a few teams. So what's your point? | ||
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Spanxxx
United States408 Posts
effort will be missed.. omfg i can't believe i get to watch new bw games! | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:48 TwoToneTerran wrote: Beating Kwanro in a +20 minute game is not the same as beating Free in his best matchup, when Free was obviously the #1 toss last season. ForGG is just as capable if not moreso in TvP than Snow is in PvZ. Period. I'm not saying ForGG is a necessarily better player than Snow, but he is the same kind of player. Snow can snipe Flash? ForGG can snipe Jaedong. Snow's got okay PvP but gets manhandled by Bisu? Well ForGG has alright TvT but got manhandled by Flash. Snow kind of sucks at PvZ but can scrape wins against shit players and sometimes beat alright ZvPers like Kwanro and Hero? Well ForGG kind of sucks against protoss but can sometimes beat amazing players like Free and Kal. ForGG has a slight edge and I think that's more due to experience than skill. Maybe stealing flash's build orders, too. Actually I'd rate Snow's PvZ higher than his PvP. Especially based on the quality of his games. Kinda shows that you didnt watch Snow's games. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
I watched the games live and I still remember the comment I made. Snow seems mechanically sound, his macro is good and his unit composition is fine, but the kid has absolutely horrible decision making in PvZ and that makes him unbelievably vulnerable to anything that isn't precisely within his game image. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:51 TwoToneTerran wrote: I did, but he played and SKT Zerg. Unless you think Tempest has amazing PvZ, rofl. lmao you rate players based by one game? No wonder you think forgg is good.  Wouldnt surprise me if you hadnt seen more than three of his games (arena msl final) | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Thegilaboy
United States2018 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
Soo played a pretty mediocre game against Snow, but I'd honestly say Snow is better simply because he's a dream league bonjwa and Tempest has yet to prove himself against zergs of a decent level. Although Snow hasn't shown himself to be any good at PvP yet. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On October 16 2010 00:57 TwoToneTerran wrote: Uhhh he made plenty of units in those games. He also harassed in the game against the SKTzergs but I mean, that was my point, it was the exact same quality of gameplay that tempest showed. Snow's PvZ is sixth player level when he's his team's #2. :> Snow's PvZ is sixth player level? lol Watch all of Snow's games and come back here and say his PvP (which is not sixth player level) is better than his PvZ. | ||
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