PL 10-11 R1 Rosters - Page 4

On October 15 2010 21:30 frank0406 wrote:
where is Anytime？

On October 15 2010 16:53 GTR wrote:
Hopefully we can get Fantasy ready by Week 2, if possible....

On October 15 2010 20:20 SuperArc wrote:


How is KT's Bo7 lineup better than SKT, Hite Entus or Stars?

On October 15 2010 20:56 SuperArc wrote:


lol how can a player like turn enter a slump hahaha

On October 15 2010 21:55 Kici wrote:
Hmm where is EffOrt

On October 15 2010 21:55 Kici wrote:
Hmm where is EffOrt

On October 15 2010 21:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:


Well it's definitely better than Hite's and Stars, and I think it's damn close with SKT.

I mean, name the playable players on each team and compare them to KT (this is without maps to consider, though, which is very important. We just don't know how the new PL maps will play out).

KT's best players who'll probably get playtime this season are:

Flash, ForGG, Stats, Violet, Tempest, Action, Hoejja.

Hoejja is obviously the weak link here but that's as solid a Terran/Protoss Lineup there is in the league. Obviously still weak in the zerg department if Action doesn't perform -- tentatively an amazing line up, Action really is the dealbreaker here.

Now, let's take Hite Entus:

Leta, Skyhigh, Snow, Movie, Horang, Hogil, Hydra

While that is actually more players and on the bottom end they're definitely better than Tempest/Hoejja, after Leta the team devolves purely into snipers. The entire Entus part of the line up, now that Effort's gone, all have one good matchup for the most part. Skyhigh TvT, Snow PvT, Movie PvZ (I'll say his PvP ain't bad, though), and well I'm not even sure Hydra's good enough to qualify as a sniper. The same goes for the rest of the hite side, where Horang and Hogil are both almost exclusively vP players.

In a pure KT vs Hite Entus setup, that's not so bad, since KT is very Terran/Protoss heavy and this new Hite Entus is almost exclusively made out of vT and vP experts (hell hite and entus both individually had a history of bothering KT). But overall, especially with regards to other teams who have stronger zergs, Hite Entus isn't nearly as well rounded as KT. I expect Hite Entus to probably make playoffs and lose out in the lower stages (kind of like how Hite and Entus usually do, funnily enough). This is a team very dependent on coaching and how good maps are for snipers, though. VERY finnicky, good potential.

Onto SKT, who do have a very star studded lineup:

Fantasy, ...Canata(cringe, but he did win in playoffs), Bisu Best, Kwanro, S2, Hyuk

Arguably the best protoss lineup (KT has added some shadows to that claim, though), but pretty one dimensional elsewise. Fantasy is a great player, but he is the only great player on their terran line. Canata CAN win sometimes, but I'd barely rank him over Hoejja. Their zerg line is about as bad as KT's. Kwanro, like Action, alleviated the pain, but that's not enough to call it competent. Best is good, very good at PvT and alright at PvP, passable PvZ (people hate on his PvZ just because it's nowhere near as good as his other matches, not because it's that bad). Bisu, well, I don't buy into the hype and I wouldn't even call him a top 5 protoss right now, honestly, but a lot of people will crucify me for this statement so at the very least he's a good asset to the team.

On the Terran side of things, KT is way ahead. Flash is a terran lineup in and of himself and ForGG is about the same caliber as best, currently -- excellent in the "easy" matchup, alright in his mirror, and questionable in the "weak" matchup. Their protoss lineups are comparable. Bisu obviously CAN be the best out of all of them, but he definitely hasn't shown it lately. Best is probably the most vaunted player, but I'd say Stats/Violet/Tempest is a really strong threesome, especially. My only reservations here is that I think Bisu and Best will play better in the "don't know your opponent," format -- KT had a slight falling out in the later rounds when it was implemented. The non-Flash line started to pick it up in round 5 so that might be cured, but I have my doubts as they don't have the same experience and composure.

Lolzergs. Action and Kwanro are alright, no one else is worth mentioning no matter how much SKT fans want to believe stew and fuck are actually good.

I'd say, like last season, KT and SKT are devastatingly close. I think last season came down to the 1st seed edge -- if SKT had had it then they probably would've won, like KT did. I think it comes down to the maps for the regular rounds between these two. If there's a lot of protoss favored maps I think KT will thrive with 3 capable protoss to SKT's 2, since Flash is good enough to do without favored maps ontop of that. I think if it's more zerg oriented, SKT might do better just because they have enough zergs they're willing to play and zerg maps typically mean protoss dismay, so bad for KT. Terran maps are a bit more even. Flash probably doesn't need the help but put fantasy and forgg on a favored map and they can wreak havoc (fantasy moreso, don't go crazy SKTers!)


Phew, that was a lot on KT and SKT. Star studded and shoe ins for the playoffs right now barring major implosion or PL death.

Onto a team with a little spot in my heart, Woongjin!

Woongjin's playable lineup consists of:

Really, Free, Flying, Zero, Soulkey

Hrm, I like stars guys, but losing Kwanro, MVP and Guemchi did put a dent in them. If that old guard were still here I think they'd have a really solid all around team, but frankly outside of these five all they have are very untested rookies or fading players who got traded away (like sair). I know some people are pointing to honsin or crazyhydra, but I don't really see it. Those two will probably be played but I'm not sure I'd call them assets. I probably should've included CrazyHydra since I included Hoejja and Hyuk and Hydra, the horridly mediocre zerg brigade, but in every list above I did deride all of those players and I left crazy off the list for that point: Stars actually isn't THAT deep. More deep than Oz and Khan, sure, but honestly, Stars is a bit top heavy. In a Bo5 like last season they'd be ungodly scary right now with those 5 up there (hell cut out Flying and that's all you need, 4 absolutely great players), but they suffer. They've got 1 Terran who's about the quality of ForGG (Good at two matchups bad at one), They've got 2 protosses, one seasoned and excellent, the other promising but definitely hasn't really SHOWN his promise since he made splashes last year. 2 straight up, undeniably good zergs to make the second strongest zerg line up right now.

I don't think they have shit on KT head to head, as KT plays best against Zergs for the most part and aren't particularly afraid of anything else, especially coming out of this (Free is great and all but he isn't even necessarily the favorite against half of KT's lineup). They're a good team, they'll probably even make playoffs this time around after picking PL weight-lifter Really, but their depth took a massive hit when they lost kwanro/mvp/guemchi. That's a decent 1/1/1 lineup (well maybe not MVP) that really would've bolstered their new acquisitions. But I think they're in the same boat as Hite Entus despite being kind of the opposite of them: Instead of a bunch of snipers, they've got a topload of good players and some inconsistency at the bottom.



This entire thing is consistent with my view. If playoffs is still six teams I expect KT/SKT/STX to make the top 3 in some order (STX probably second best STX is great at getting almost there and sucking it up), with Woongjin/HiteEntus making up 4th and 5th and I think Wemade or Oz (woo what is that) making up the 6th. I might be biased making this analysis since I already had this sort of idea but that's the best I can see.

Kt will probably be first though. They gave Flash WL twice. 70 wins this season wooooop.

On October 15 2010 22:32 d_so wrote:
holy smokes hite entus sounds awesome

On October 15 2010 22:25 Holgerius wrote:
Recent success vs Zerg? Winning two games vs an SKT Zerg is success in your eyes? O__o

Snow has a lot to prove before I'll start considering him a solid player.