• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:46
CEST 06:46
KST 13:46
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic3Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation DreamHack Dallas 2025 - Official Replay Pack BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO8 - Group A RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals NA Team League 6/8/2025 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 27350 users

[Interview] Sangho on Match-Fixing

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Normal
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 05:59:45
June 15 2010 05:56 GMT
#1
Daily E-Sports interview/article about Sangho and the match-fixing scandal.

The player who was hurt most by the match-fixing scandal

After the news of the match-fixing incidents came out, who were the players who were hurt the most? Probably the numerous players who played fairly and had nothing to do with the match-fixing. The unpleasant incident caused both OGN and MBC to have difficulties securing sponsors, and disappointed the fans and hurt the industry. There is also another victim – before the completion of the investigation, eSTRO’s Sangho was implicated due to a fabricated list of involved players by a netizen.

I met Sangho the day after the first public investigation of the match-fixing. When I met him, his face was much thinner than during his life in the practice house. The happy and enthusiastic Sangho who entertained everyone around him has all but disappeared now. Reflected now on his face is only the hardships and sorrows he had to endure.

Even though he is now willing to accept this interview, Sangho told us that during this exceptionally difficult time, because he was falsely accused of match-fixing combined with his father going through surgery, “there were times when I wanted to die.”

Only because of one loss

Sangho will never forget the day of 2009 10/24. Because it was a game that day that involved him in the maelstrom of the match-fixing incident. In the third set of a game against STX, on Outsider, Sangho missed a crucial timing against Calm, and lost the game after securing a huge advantage.

“This game led to a lot of criticisms from fans. I myself am disappointed that I was unable to decisively judge the situation while being in the advantage. But I didn’t know that this game would change my life so much.”

Before the 2009-2010 SPL season began, Sangho decided with his teammates that they would definitely make the playoffs. Because hyvaa and Upmagic have been performing well and Really has been playing his role as the ace, Sangho believed that there is a very realistic possibility that eSTRO could accomplish something this season.

But when the season began, Sangho was unable to get many victories. Thanks to the free agency, he enjoyed the highest salary on eSTRO, but didn’t deliver many wins. This worried him, but the desire to win backfired and he ended up losing more and more, and his confidence was lost along with the games.

“After the game where the opponent staged a comeback, Sangho didn’t know what to do,” he said. Everytime he lost a game, he would be criticized, and people would even say he might as well retire. Sangho talked with head coach Kim and told him his thoughts: “If I can’t get myself out of my current situation, I’ll retire.” In his mind, “if I fall here, all of my efforts would have been for naught,” and similar thoughts couldn’t be dispelled.

“I gave my soul to eSTRO. I will definitely lead the team into the playoffs. So from that point, I started practicing with everything I had, and tried to condition my mentality, and hoped to chase away from the fans’ memories the failure that game.”

For the hard-working Sangho, to be accused of match-fixing was fatal. Later, we learned that he would often give the salary-less B-teamers spending money. He had such a strong passion for eSTRO, but the netizens’ accusations robbed Sangho of the strength to even lift up a mouse.

[image loading]

Afraid to leave the house

Everyone has had at some point thought that they couldn’t go on, but only few actually attempt suicide. Sangho would see celebrities who commit suicide after rumors and slandering, and had thought they didn’t cherish life enough. But when he himself met a situation like this, he really considered ending his life.

“I used to think that if you have the courage to commit suicide, then you should have the courage to face life. But when I actually met something like this, I started to understand what those people thought. I had never even heard of the match-fixing, let alone participate in it, but I have to face this kind of slandering, I was really depressed. I would walk on the street and people would run up to me and ask ‘did you really throw games?’ For a while I was afraid to even leave my house. Staying at home, I thought, ‘can I really continue like this?’”

When faced with these people who wouldn’t trust him, who wouldn’t listen to his explanations, Sangho began to have regrets. Regrets of giving the past 5 years of his life, in the pursuit of his dreams and passions, to e-Sports. Sangho no longer knows why he abandoned everything to come here. When all people could do is glance at him with expressions of suspicion, Sangho just wanted to know how he could disappear.

“I first heard rumors of the match-fixing in the beginning of February. I didn’t know why when I went to the games, no one would talk to me, and everyone would act so strangely. Only later did I find out the reason. I would watch movies where the innocent protagonist gets blamed and suspected, and now, I became that protagonist, only in real life.”

Exacerbated by father’s surgery

Even though he was blamed for match-fixing, Sangho believed that the truth will eventually surface. But just when he first saw the light at the end of the tunnel due his teammates’ trust, his father fell down. This only worsened the situation.

“I was in the middle of practice, and my mom kept calling. She knows that usually, I won’t answer when practicing unless it’s an emergency. It seems like there will be bad news. I answered the phone and learned that my dad fainted. I cried, and immediately returned home.”

After learning that his dad would have to go through a major surgery, Sangho felt like the brave mentality he had laboriously built-up was just destroyed again. Sangho kept going under these false accusations, but this news crippled him again.

“Luckily, my dad’s surgery was a success, but even after the surgery, his condition can’t be cured completely. And under this condition, he saw the rumors on the web, and was very angry after seeing people accuse me of match-fixing. As my dad, he understood me better than anyone. He knew I would never do anything like that. Just after the surgery before he recovered, my dad said ‘find me everyone who left these kinds of comments.’ He got angry, and ended up collapsing again.”

Sangho first witnessed the truth in the very real harm of rumors. His father collapsing before even fully recovering from the surgery made Sangho wish he could find each and every one of the people spreading these rumors and change their mind. He can’t forgive the people who hurt him and his father so much.

“Even though the investigation has proven my innocence, no one apologized to me. There is no trace of remorse from the people spreading the rumors. They almost killed a man. They don’t even know how one sentence from them has caused so much harm. But of course, there will be people who will be unrepentant even after seeing my interview. If they can try looking at this from someone else’s shoes, they’ll know how dangerous the things they’ve done were, but unfortunately they’re not doing that.”

[image loading]

Towards a new dream

When the rumors were coming out full speed, Sangho never stepped forward and said “I didn’t.” The main reason was because no one would’ve believed it. He knew that only when the investigations concluded could he convince others of his innocence. But if he had said something, a lot of the rumors would’ve been dispelled. But Sangho doesn’t regret his decision of silence.

“Saying stuff without any evidence – who would’ve believed it? Also, if it was my responsibility to step forth and say something to wash myself of any suspicions, does this mean that every innocent player had to step forth to say something? I had hoped that if I said nothing, the rumors would die down. I didn’t want my teammates to get hurt, so I had to keep silent.”

The investigation lasted from April to May. Sangho lived a difficult life during those two months. When he decided to leave eSports, Sangho returned home without looking back once.

“I didn’t watch TV for two months. The past 5 years were for nothing. If I remained in this place where my dreams died, I wouldn’t be able to breathe. Now? I haven’t thought much, but it’ll be difficult for me to pick up a mouse again.”

After confirming that his dad is recovering again, Sangho began to consider his future. Even though many people are telling him that he probably won’t be able to succeed as a player again, it’s hard for him to completely suppress his passion for eSports.

“The reason I wanted to do this interview was not because I wanted to prove my innocence. I just don’t want another victim like me to appear again. I sincerely ask of the netizens to not forget that just one little rumor from you can make you the same as a criminal, to almost kill a man. I hope no one gets hurt like Id id again.”

Sangho still hasn’t forgotten the pain he suffered, but his heart is no longer as cold as it was. He is currently considering his future – should he return to eSports and do what he can to his ability? Or should we clap for a Sangho who will be soaring towards a new dream? And is it time for the culture of flip-flopping, inconsiderate commenting change?

http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/news/view.daily?idx=28339&page=1

http://www.playsc.com/bbs/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=202022
TranslatorBaa!
Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
June 15 2010 06:05 GMT
#2
So this is why Sangho disappeared. <_<
DebOnAire - 「 Bisu[Shield] 」
G3nXsiS
Profile Joined July 2009
United States656 Posts
June 15 2010 06:11 GMT
#3
Poor SangHo. The lives of non Flash or S-class progamers..........
Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 06:15:20
June 15 2010 06:14 GMT
#4
This makes me so sad because he's such a friendly, funny guy. I have many good memories of time spent backstage with him, Suny, Hyvaa, Really, Action, and the other eSTRO players (As well as Hwanni.) I won't forget all our silly chicken parties, that one photoshoot were I made him go outside without a coat and he nearly fell over a sculpture, the afternoon with them all bickering over the free polaroids, or stealing his cartons of juice :/ I hope he's happier whatever happens in the future.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 15 2010 06:15 GMT
#5
This saddens me greatly..
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Mojawi)SoJu
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)259 Posts
June 15 2010 06:15 GMT
#6
poor man.. TT
#1 김택용 팬 | #1 화승 오즈 프로게임단 팬 | 스타2 하자! | 나를 찢어갈겨 이 씨발놈아 왜 나를 미치게 만들어 니가 뭘 아는데?
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
June 15 2010 06:22 GMT
#7
Wow, this is so sad .. wish the best for SangHo on his future endeavors.
KimchiFriedRice
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada237 Posts
June 15 2010 06:28 GMT
#8
Whose been hurting my Sangho?
Mofos
I will shove Kimchi up your ass and watch you writhe in pain.
wiesel
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany727 Posts
June 15 2010 06:31 GMT
#9
That's sad, best of luck for him in the future.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
June 15 2010 06:38 GMT
#10


Hopefully he is getting apologies from the netizens who posted nasty things about him based on those rumors.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
June 15 2010 06:38 GMT
#11
omg thats so freaking sad T___T evn though he wasn't the best of players .. but thats crazy. raelly unlucky series of events for him this year...

:<
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
June 15 2010 06:40 GMT
#12
i sometimes hate the internets.

such a volatile, unaccountable, heartless place.
"Science has so well established that the preborn baby in the womb is a living human being that most pro-choice activists have conceded the point. ..since the abortion proponents have lost the science argument, they are now advocating an existential one."
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 06:45:54
June 15 2010 06:43 GMT
#13
getting shitted on lots by netizens... sounds like Korea to me

as far as progamers go, he probably got the worst out of anyone

as far as general celebrities... about average
Fish_Baguettes
Profile Joined March 2008
Australia589 Posts
June 15 2010 06:44 GMT
#14
Thanks for the translation! The match-fixing scandal has simmered down significantly now, and its good to see that at least some attempt at a follow-up has occurred. I just feel it was very unfortunate that (P)SangHo was innocently caught up in the witch-hunt and inadvertently forced to 'resign'. While he may not have shown fantastic results, I feel that every gamer in the SC scene carries a bit of the soul of e-sports within them, and its always a shame when one disappears.


“The reason I wanted to do this interview was not because I wanted to prove my innocence. I just don’t want another victim like me to appear again. I sincerely ask of the netizens to not forget that just one little rumor from you can make you the same as a criminal, to almost kill a man. I hope no one gets hurt like Id id again.”

Sangho still hasn’t forgotten the pain he suffered, but his heart is no longer as cold as it was. He is currently considering his future – should he return to eSports and do what he can to his ability? Or should we clap for a Sangho who will be soaring towards a new dream? And is it time for the culture of flip-flopping, inconsiderate commenting change?


Do there happen to be any netizen comments on this article, and what their reaction to the article was? And considering he was on the eSTRO team which TL has lots of contacts with (i think...i could be wrong!), would there be anything the foreign community such as TL could do? Maybe even send him a 'Best Wishes' card? I'm sure I'd be happy to support him returning to the e-sports scene...but then again that may just be me...
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66155 Posts
June 15 2010 06:45 GMT
#15
wtf this is such a huge blow for him, his family, friends and estro...
the power of netizens...
POGGERS
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51418 Posts
June 15 2010 06:45 GMT
#16
On June 15 2010 15:38 moopie wrote:


Hopefully he is getting apologies from the netizens who posted nasty things about him based on those rumors.


Unfortunately it's impossible with the nature of Korean internet society.
Commentator
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
June 15 2010 06:46 GMT
#17
wow this changes everything for me and my opinion of sangho. Did he even get any charges?
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
JIJIyO
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1957 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 06:51:48
June 15 2010 06:49 GMT
#18
Wow that's so sad. =( Stupid netizens causing people so much misery........ It's really sad when you read that 5 years of his life was crushed just like that. Bleh. I wish Sangho luck in whatever he does in the future!

On June 15 2010 15:44 Fish_Baguettes wrote:
Do there happen to be any netizen comments on this article, and what their reaction to the article was? And considering he was on the eSTRO team which TL has lots of contacts with (i think...i could be wrong!), would there be anything the foreign community such as TL could do? Maybe even send him a 'Best Wishes' card? I'm sure I'd be happy to support him returning to the e-sports scene...but then again that may just be me...

Yes yes! I haven't sent anyone a message in best wishes (even my favourite progamer Jaedong....no longer Savior), but I would definitely write one to Sangho!
KT_Violet
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
June 15 2010 06:51 GMT
#19
Poor sangho, hopefully everything starts to improve =[

thanks for translation sheepzor
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8082 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 06:55:07
June 15 2010 06:53 GMT
#20
poor guy. he should switch to SC2. I mean he's gotta be better than tester and look at how good tester is doing on SC2
Free Palestine
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 15 2010 06:54 GMT
#21
Well, that sucks.

Hope he does well with whatever future endeavors.

Maybe we should get a card together for him as the next person we send one to?
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
June 15 2010 06:55 GMT
#22
I feel terrible for Sangho. 5 years of is life and it disappears just like that from a rumor (and it was that one game only). I would be so bitter if that was me. Poor Sangho
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 07:10:49
June 15 2010 06:55 GMT
#23
he really thought of suicide, man, thats awful....i didnt know things like this affected the players in this magnitude
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
oo_xerox
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States852 Posts
June 15 2010 07:07 GMT
#24
On June 15 2010 15:49 JIJIyO wrote:
Wow that's so sad. =( Stupid netizens causing people so much misery........ It's really sad when you read that 5 years of his life was crushed just like that. Bleh. I wish Sangho luck in whatever he does in the future!

Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 15:44 Fish_Baguettes wrote:
Do there happen to be any netizen comments on this article, and what their reaction to the article was? And considering he was on the eSTRO team which TL has lots of contacts with (i think...i could be wrong!), would there be anything the foreign community such as TL could do? Maybe even send him a 'Best Wishes' card? I'm sure I'd be happy to support him returning to the e-sports scene...but then again that may just be me...

Yes yes! I haven't sent anyone a message in best wishes (even my favourite progamer Jaedong....no longer Savior), but I would definitely write one to Sangho!


i have never send any msg either, and i would for sangho
I could get a more coherent article by gluing a Sharpie to a dog's cook and letting it hump the page.
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
June 15 2010 07:08 GMT
#25
i love these interviews. it gives life to the progamers who we dont know much about. on screen, we only see that they are sc-playing robots. but deep down inside, they have personalities. and we can see them through these interviews. i think hes a pretty nice guy. i feel bad for what he had to go through. the korean netizens sure are fierce. theyve caused many celebs to commit suicide and almost got one more.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
June 15 2010 07:18 GMT
#26
I feel sooo bad for him best of luck to him in the future.
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
maneatingshoe
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada484 Posts
June 15 2010 08:14 GMT
#27
that's so sad (((
I hope he can get back up on his feet quickly, and that people do take the time to apologize
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
June 15 2010 08:17 GMT
#28
Really sad to see someone who gave his life to esports treated like this
OMG you nasty gurl
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8748 Posts
June 15 2010 08:21 GMT
#29
Those pictures of him making me instantly sad... it's exactly as the interviewer says. Sang Ho was the happiest and nicest guy who loved what he did and loved his team. Terrible thing to go through. I hope he can think of all the good times.
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
gameguard
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Korea (South)2131 Posts
June 15 2010 08:29 GMT
#30
wow ive been desensitised enough over the years but this make me choke up. Especially after reading how awesome he is from people who met him. Hope he finds peace in whatever he does next.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
June 15 2010 08:35 GMT
#31
I love sangho man, this made me so sad
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
June 15 2010 09:03 GMT
#32
Ugh this is so sad. You spend pretty much every day of your life for 5 years and this happens. I wish Sangho luck in the future.
cemlions
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada43 Posts
June 15 2010 09:05 GMT
#33
I think considering suicide over people thinking you cheat at BW is a bit off.
I knew I wasn't a noob cause I just didn't feel good when I was noobing out
Phearlock
Profile Joined December 2007
Norway400 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 09:05:47
June 15 2010 09:05 GMT
#34
Can I like, give him a hug? Never a huge fan of him but ye gods he doesn't deserve what he's been through =(
cemlions
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada43 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 09:09:42
June 15 2010 09:06 GMT
#35
If I was this guy I would take it as motivation to pown everyone.
I knew I wasn't a noob cause I just didn't feel good when I was noobing out
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
June 15 2010 09:11 GMT
#36
On June 15 2010 18:05 cemlions wrote:
I think considering suicide over people thinking you cheat at BW is a bit off.

It is not like if he has been banned for hacking on US east.
He was a professional who dedicated five years of his life to full time progaming and those rumors have ruined his reputation and his career.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
June 15 2010 09:18 GMT
#37
--- Nuked ---
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
June 15 2010 09:21 GMT
#38
On June 15 2010 16:07 oo_xerox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 15:49 JIJIyO wrote:
Wow that's so sad. =( Stupid netizens causing people so much misery........ It's really sad when you read that 5 years of his life was crushed just like that. Bleh. I wish Sangho luck in whatever he does in the future!

On June 15 2010 15:44 Fish_Baguettes wrote:
Do there happen to be any netizen comments on this article, and what their reaction to the article was? And considering he was on the eSTRO team which TL has lots of contacts with (i think...i could be wrong!), would there be anything the foreign community such as TL could do? Maybe even send him a 'Best Wishes' card? I'm sure I'd be happy to support him returning to the e-sports scene...but then again that may just be me...

Yes yes! I haven't sent anyone a message in best wishes (even my favourite progamer Jaedong....no longer Savior), but I would definitely write one to Sangho!


i have never send any msg either, and i would for sangho

i think i sent one to savior(maybe?) and flash i know, id love to send one to sangho! esp after the saddening things i read in this article
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
June 15 2010 10:15 GMT
#39
so hes innocent...
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
June 15 2010 10:17 GMT
#40
On June 15 2010 18:05 cemlions wrote:
I think considering suicide over people thinking you cheat at BW is a bit off.

someone dosen't know about netizens
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
CoWsGoesMoo
Profile Joined June 2010
250 Posts
June 15 2010 10:38 GMT
#41
How about we make him one of those letters. You know the same kind of letters you guys do for Pro Gamers.
cognizantfire
Profile Joined March 2010
Hong Kong77 Posts
June 15 2010 11:08 GMT
#42
Yeah I would totally write him a message if we're going the well wishing card...
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
June 15 2010 11:14 GMT
#43
I hope that after this interview he can get a renewed excitement from his fanbase and turn it into something positive,.
yomi
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States773 Posts
June 15 2010 11:18 GMT
#44
Thanks for the article. Great translation by the way, you could feel the power of the words much better than in simple translations.
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
June 15 2010 11:29 GMT
#45
Lets write him a letter!
Bisu... ;-(
nadafanboy42
Profile Joined August 2009
Netherlands209 Posts
June 15 2010 11:31 GMT
#46
On June 15 2010 20:29 SkytoM wrote:
Lets write him a letter!

Yes, please!
NaDa/Jaedong/Liquid-Fanboy
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
June 15 2010 11:51 GMT
#47
I would too write him and his father a message. He looks like a very Nice guy, from (P)NonY's and NeverGG's messages, and he gave spending Money to b-teamers!

Maybe he should contact (P)TesteR and Start playing SC2, as his former coach and progamer (P)TesteR would be very understanding of his situation and giving (P)SangHo some top tips .
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
June 15 2010 11:52 GMT
#48
So Estro won't let him back even though he's proven innocent? Korean politics are harsh.

A big letter sounds like a great idea.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
pyr0ma5ta
Profile Joined May 2010
United States458 Posts
June 15 2010 11:55 GMT
#49


Glad he was able to clear his name at the end of the day. Hope he finds the will to continue with whatever he chooses to do with the rest of his life.
"I made you a zergling, but I eated it." - Defiler
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
June 15 2010 12:10 GMT
#50
On June 15 2010 20:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
So Estro won't let him back even though he's proven innocent? Korean politics are harsh.

Where did you read that?
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
June 15 2010 12:10 GMT
#51
:l..
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
saritenite
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Singapore1680 Posts
June 15 2010 12:25 GMT
#52
On June 15 2010 20:31 nadafanboy42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 20:29 SkytoM wrote:
Lets write him a letter!

Yes, please!


Third-ed. Or send him a bunch of cheerfuls
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
June 15 2010 12:35 GMT
#53
It breaks my heart to imagine how many similar personal tragedies are behind the scenes due to these few match-fixing suckers. Of course, he is in a very special situation amongst them too

Sangho fighting!
BW fighting!
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
June 15 2010 12:47 GMT
#54
If he comes back then I'll organize some kind of project for him >.>
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
Ota Solgryn
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Denmark2011 Posts
June 15 2010 12:55 GMT
#55
This makes me even angrier at the players that acutally did matchfixing. I mean, if it only hurt themselves or maybe even if the reputation of progaming got a blow (which all sports have gotten) one might be able to forgive these players.

But this is the real hurting of real people. All the non- S or A class players and especially those rumored to have participated.

Fuck you Savior, Lux, Yarnc etc. Hope at least some people will learn from this.
ihasaKAROT: "Wish people would stop wasting their lives on finding flaws in others"
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
June 15 2010 13:01 GMT
#56
On June 15 2010 20:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
So Estro won't let him back even though he's proven innocent? Korean politics are harsh.

A big letter sounds like a great idea.

I dont know about other people but i sure wouldn't want to go back if i was Sangho.

Wasn't anytime also one of the few who got suspected but was innocent?
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
bobhund
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden364 Posts
June 15 2010 13:03 GMT
#57
Such a sad story, I sure hopes that someday he will be able to start chasing his dream again.
Editor in chief at Rakaka.se
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
June 15 2010 13:14 GMT
#58
On June 15 2010 21:10 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 20:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
So Estro won't let him back even though he's proven innocent? Korean politics are harsh.

Where did you read that?

Well you're right, I didn't, but I also didn't read that they let him back in. The melancholy tone of the article made me assume he was out in the cold.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
June 15 2010 13:39 GMT
#59
sounds dramatic...

to have a person of his sincerity towards his team and proffession suffer such hardships over a false accusation, thanks the OP for translating this interview and gives Sangho a chance to tell his story to a wider audience.

Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 13:47:21
June 15 2010 13:47 GMT
#60
On June 15 2010 15:11 G3nXsiS wrote:
Poor SangHo. The lives of non Flash or S-class progamers..........

Sangho was decently paid. I think this is more sad because he faced deep depression as an innocent young man, while at the same time worrying about his dad.

On June 15 2010 15:40 danl9rm wrote:
i sometimes hate the internets.

such a volatile, unaccountable, heartless place.

Me too. I take from this that we should all at least try and be a bit kinder to each other. We're all just people out there behind the keyboards.

Celebrities have it really tough though. The adulation must be amazing but the hatred would cut so close to the bone.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-15 13:53:37
June 15 2010 13:53 GMT
#61
so sad This is what happens when everyone is overzealously angry...
Writer
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
June 15 2010 13:59 GMT
#62
On June 15 2010 22:14 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 21:10 okum wrote:
On June 15 2010 20:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
So Estro won't let him back even though he's proven innocent? Korean politics are harsh.

Where did you read that?

Well you're right, I didn't, but I also didn't read that they let him back in. The melancholy tone of the article made me assume he was out in the cold.

I took it to mean that he left himself because of his father's illness and his depression. Artosis came out pretty early on and said Sangho was not being investigated. So I don't feel that he was ostracised by his team.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
June 15 2010 14:01 GMT
#63
T_T poor sangho.
i hope he switches over to SC2 so i can see some more of him.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6174 Posts
June 15 2010 14:03 GMT
#64
goddamn match fixers. without them nothing like this would have happened..
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
June 15 2010 14:03 GMT
#65
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=118849
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=122113
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127563

According to these he was removed from A team roster in april, added back in may, and removed again now in june.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
June 15 2010 14:04 GMT
#66
On June 15 2010 23:01 BloodDrunK wrote:
T_T poor sangho.
i hope he switches over to SC2 so i can see some more of him.

I hope he comes back to eSTRO and replaces flying ;p
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
June 15 2010 14:06 GMT
#67
fuck koreans are so scary

they always talk shit

i'm korean and from my experience koreans talk the most shit out of any race
Nony is Bonjwa
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
June 15 2010 14:21 GMT
#68
T_T We should definitely make him a card. And if he cannot get back into eSTRO, we should encourage him to play StarCraft II since he is still young and has pro-experience.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
June 15 2010 14:41 GMT
#69
On June 15 2010 23:06 Nal_rAwr wrote:
fuck koreans are so scary

they always talk shit

i'm korean and from my experience koreans talk the most shit out of any race

lol sangho should lucky that he is not in China
textbook
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Korea (North)129 Posts
June 15 2010 14:52 GMT
#70
On June 15 2010 23:41 emucxg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 23:06 Nal_rAwr wrote:
fuck koreans are so scary

they always talk shit

i'm korean and from my experience koreans talk the most shit out of any race

lol sangho should lucky that he is not in China


Haha, are Chinese netizens worse?
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
June 15 2010 15:08 GMT
#71
I really enjoyed a lot of Sangho's play (in good form), this is such a sad interview. It's amazing how false rumours can destroy a character in the spotlight, even without any proof.

Wish him all the best in whatever he decides to do.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5498 Posts
June 15 2010 15:41 GMT
#72
Does he have a daum site or anywhere we can leave messages? I feel so bad for him
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
June 15 2010 16:06 GMT
#73
On June 15 2010 21:47 NeverGG wrote:
If he comes back then I'll organize some kind of project for him >.>


I'm pretty sure doing a project for him would be even better in a "critical" moment such as this.
pikaaarrr :3
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States593 Posts
June 15 2010 16:07 GMT
#74
On June 15 2010 15:40 danl9rm wrote:
i sometimes hate the internets.

such a volatile, unaccountable, heartless place.


korean internet is even worse TT

they're critical to jump on anything.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
June 15 2010 16:18 GMT
#75
On June 15 2010 23:21 Shiragaku wrote:
T_T We should definitely make him a card. And if he cannot get back into eSTRO, we should encourage him to play StarCraft II since he is still young and has pro-experience.

Agreed. He used to be one of my favourites to put on anti team for FPL (hehehehe) but nothing against the player himself, this article definitely shed some light on his situation.
[TLMS] REBOOT
QibingZero
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
2611 Posts
June 15 2010 16:33 GMT
#76
Shit... Sangho was actually really good before recently. His results were typically estro-ish, but his play was definitely supurb. Poor guy. =/
Oh, my eSports
Mortality
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States4790 Posts
June 15 2010 17:06 GMT
#77
I just what to point out that while progamers aren't as heavily into this community as they are the Korean communities, many of you contributed to this mess.

For shame.
Even though this Proleague bullshit has been completely bogus, I really, really, really do not see how Khan can lose this. I swear I will kill myself if they do. - nesix before KHAN lost to eNature
Gann1
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1575 Posts
June 15 2010 17:16 GMT
#78
On June 16 2010 01:06 Milkis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 21:47 NeverGG wrote:
If he comes back then I'll organize some kind of project for him >.>


I'm pretty sure doing a project for him would be even better in a "critical" moment such as this.


it would probably be hard to contact him, though...
I drop suckas like Plinko
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
June 15 2010 17:37 GMT
#79
This makes me so sad, he clearly gave his heart and soul into eStro and to be sent into a depression by the combined force of the 11 and neitizens is truly horrible.

More than anything I just want to give him a hug and tell him that I will never forget his game versus guemchi in the STX masters.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
HeadhunteR
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Argentina1258 Posts
June 15 2010 17:44 GMT
#80
wow public opinion and netizens is very powerfull in korea.. i feel so bad for him.. Its very unfair for him.. Sangho.. hope he can find his way..

A player i never cheered for but now i feel like i miss him.... he had some entertaining games even though i felt he would lose...

in The Kong line forever
ChewbroCColi
Profile Joined July 2009
Denmark108 Posts
June 15 2010 17:46 GMT
#81
Poor Sangho m(._.)m
Trowabarton756
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States870 Posts
June 15 2010 18:01 GMT
#82
On June 15 2010 21:10 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 20:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
So Estro won't let him back even though he's proven innocent? Korean politics are harsh.

Where did you read that?


Well according to his TLPD Sangho is listed with no team.
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Trowabarton756
EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
June 16 2010 04:31 GMT
#83
this sucks so much
But why?
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
June 16 2010 04:33 GMT
#84
On June 16 2010 03:01 Trowabarton756 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2010 21:10 okum wrote:
On June 15 2010 20:52 Nightmarjoo wrote:
So Estro won't let him back even though he's proven innocent? Korean politics are harsh.

Where did you read that?


Well according to his TLPD Sangho is listed with no team.


Is it clear that he's willing to give the scene another try? Sounds like he no longer has the will to go on. His play has suffered, I'm sure.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
June 16 2010 04:44 GMT
#85
wow, never even thought to think about the ppl/players that would be affected by this that had nothing to do with the problem itself
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
June 16 2010 04:45 GMT
#86
Poor kid.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
June 16 2010 04:58 GMT
#87
That's an intense story. He's such a nice guy, giving B-teamers spending money and such. Can't imagine what it would've been like for him.
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
June 16 2010 05:19 GMT
#88
Poor guy. Wish him the best.
ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
June 16 2010 05:26 GMT
#89
what the hell..... pretty unfortunate for sangho
fuck lag
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
June 16 2010 06:43 GMT
#90
On June 16 2010 02:16 Gann1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2010 01:06 Milkis wrote:
On June 15 2010 21:47 NeverGG wrote:
If he comes back then I'll organize some kind of project for him >.>


I'm pretty sure doing a project for him would be even better in a "critical" moment such as this.


it would probably be hard to contact him, though...

Well Artosis is contactable and he knows Hwanni. So I'm sure it would be possible to contact Sang Ho.
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 16 2010 06:57 GMT
#91
Thanks CSheep.
Sigh...
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
June 16 2010 17:58 GMT
#92
On June 16 2010 15:43 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2010 02:16 Gann1 wrote:
On June 16 2010 01:06 Milkis wrote:
On June 15 2010 21:47 NeverGG wrote:
If he comes back then I'll organize some kind of project for him >.>


I'm pretty sure doing a project for him would be even better in a "critical" moment such as this.


it would probably be hard to contact him, though...

Well Artosis is contactable and he knows Hwanni. So I'm sure it would be possible to contact Sang Ho.


This.
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-16 18:08:25
June 16 2010 18:07 GMT
#93
On June 17 2010 02:58 Caos2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2010 15:43 Subversive wrote:
On June 16 2010 02:16 Gann1 wrote:
On June 16 2010 01:06 Milkis wrote:
On June 15 2010 21:47 NeverGG wrote:
If he comes back then I'll organize some kind of project for him >.>


I'm pretty sure doing a project for him would be even better in a "critical" moment such as this.


it would probably be hard to contact him, though...

Well Artosis is contactable and he knows Hwanni. So I'm sure it would be possible to contact Sang Ho.


This.
Although it wouldn't be good if we put pressure on him to come back to e-sports. I think it would be better to wait until he's made his decision.
Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
June 16 2010 18:36 GMT
#94
Wow ;~; Everything about this situation is just heart wrenching; from Sangho's kind nature, his family crisis, and the amount of dedication he has given to eSports and his team, to how he took all the criticism from netizens, yet has remained so noble about the situation.

Thanks for the translation.
R.I.P. Nujabes ♫
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
June 17 2010 08:05 GMT
#95
On June 17 2010 03:07 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2010 02:58 Caos2 wrote:
On June 16 2010 15:43 Subversive wrote:
On June 16 2010 02:16 Gann1 wrote:
On June 16 2010 01:06 Milkis wrote:
On June 15 2010 21:47 NeverGG wrote:
If he comes back then I'll organize some kind of project for him >.>


I'm pretty sure doing a project for him would be even better in a "critical" moment such as this.


it would probably be hard to contact him, though...

Well Artosis is contactable and he knows Hwanni. So I'm sure it would be possible to contact Sang Ho.


This.
Although it wouldn't be good if we put pressure on him to come back to e-sports. I think it would be better to wait until he's made his decision.


I think at least some form of support from the fans is critical at this stage. Perhaps it could be given to the team to forward to him?
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 17 2010 08:17 GMT
#96
The Wemade terran line vs the Woongjin zerg line (Zero, Kwanro, Neo G Soulkey and Crazy-hydra) would be an awesome series.
Mooncat
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany1228 Posts
June 17 2010 08:27 GMT
#97
Probably I'm a bit naive here but shouldn't estro like... formally apologize and rehire him or something? o.O
"[Lee Young Ho] With this victory, you’ve risen to Bonjwa status."
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
June 17 2010 08:36 GMT
#98
On June 17 2010 17:27 Mooncat wrote:
Probably I'm a bit naive here but shouldn't estro like... formally apologize and rehire him or something? o.O

Why should Estro apologize? As far as I have read they have done nothing wrong. The trouble was caused by netizens fabricating/spreading a list with his name on it. I don't think Estro ever took actions against him.

To me it sounds as if Sangho is considering whether he wants to return to e-sports, and if he chooses to I expect Estro will welcome him back (does anyone know if his contract with Estro is formally terminated?).
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
July 22 2010 06:52 GMT
#99
Wow...I had lost faith in him with the list came out on TL with his name on it. Since his name stopped coming up though he slipped from my mind and I focused more of the anger towards Fake Yellow and sAviOr. Feel really bad to see him go through such a thing like that.

Even though it's unlikely he'll read this, I apologize for doubting you (P)Ryan[Shield]. I hope you'll find your future soon.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
OpticalShot
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada6330 Posts
July 22 2010 07:36 GMT
#100
I just watched the 뒷담화 (the talk show thingy with Kingdom and Kim Carrier and the other guy) episodes 25/26 (associated with this OP), very illuminating. Kinda feel bad for putting SangHo on my anti for 2 FPL seasons before... best of luck for the honest guy.
[TLMS] REBOOT
unionbank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia666 Posts
July 22 2010 07:55 GMT
#101
considering the netizens are almost all like below the age of 18.. people need to stop taking those comments seriously i mean i did it sometimes as well and i just wrote it coz i felt like being bitter and stupid without thought or conclusive observation.. but its amazing how words kill.
김정우.... 이겼다!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-22 12:14:35
July 22 2010 12:07 GMT
#102
im not really moved by his "suicidal contemplations" but i always "liked" the guy. I hope he learns sc2 well enough to compete with tester, maka, etc.

Elsewhere, (Z)Mr Ma and (T)Mr Jin enjoy scrotal-baths in the Champagne Room.
GhoSt[shield]
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2131 Posts
July 23 2010 23:24 GMT
#103
He's got a future with SC2 and has been rightly able to clear his name on After-talk.
Danger_Duck
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Burkina Faso571 Posts
July 23 2010 23:36 GMT
#104
If anyone actually deserves a well-wisher card, I'd say it's this guy.
TBA
AssyrianKing
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia2111 Posts
January 27 2012 14:18 GMT
#105
I know this hasnt been commented on for a while, but reading this makes me feel heartfelt for SangHo. Also now he is without a team and I am hopefull he can find somewhere to play, and the reason I bumped this is that it tells a good point, a true point, where one little sentence can hurt someone without even knowing it, its even happened to me before. Thought the new TL members that havent seen this, can have a look and learn about the point of the article.
John 15:13
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 334
Livibee 22
trigger 13
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2595
Sea 2310
PianO 234
Leta 115
Terrorterran 29
Noble 20
Icarus 8
yabsab 2
Dota 2
monkeys_forever768
XBOCT131
League of Legends
JimRising 818
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K944
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor135
Other Games
summit1g10433
C9.Mang01009
WinterStarcraft337
ViBE177
ToD156
Maynarde106
Mew2King79
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1065
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH324
• Hupsaiya 73
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki18
• Diggity3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift5153
• Lourlo1063
• Rush732
• Stunt301
Upcoming Events
GSL Code S
4h 44m
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
5h 14m
OSC
16h 14m
Replay Cast
19h 14m
WardiTV Invitational
1d 6h
OSC
1d 8h
Korean StarCraft League
1d 22h
SOOP
2 days
sOs vs Percival
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
[ Show More ]
Cheesadelphia
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
GSL Code S
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
6 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.