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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On May 21 2010 04:13 InFdude wrote: I just want to remind you guys that if Jaedong wins this he will have 6 SL titles and IMO golden mouse and 3 MSL > golden mouse. No one is arguing that so far Jaedong has accomplished more (more medals etc) during his career than Flash so far. Aside from Elo records, kespa records, winning percentage and such... | ||
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okum
France5776 Posts
On May 21 2010 06:22 On_Slaught wrote: I wonder how all the KT fans will defend flash if he loses both finals... He was unlucky to have to play his weakest matchup in both finals. Some Storks and Kals, and it would've been easy-pie. | ||
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johnlee
United States242 Posts
I've been hoping for this for so long :D Can't waittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. Thanks for the translation! | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On May 21 2010 06:37 okum wrote: He was unlucky to have to play his weakest matchup in both finals. Some Storks and Kals, and it would've been easy-pie. but then again TvZ is easier than TvP no? easier being relative. Stork and Kal are doing way worse than Jaedong and Effort | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On May 21 2010 04:43 Trezeguet23 wrote: Yeah but if Jaedong wins he will have 2 finals wins over Flash in a row which is pretty overwhelming. Overwhelming is kinda pushing it. In his peak years Federer lost to Nadal in the French Open Finals every single year yet that didn't somehow take away from Federer's other accomplishments and mean that Nadal was a better player in those years. You gotta look at the big picture. Obviously Flash has a way to go before he catches up to JD in terms of overall starleague success, but even if Flash loses both MSL's to JD this year, if he wins both OSL's I don't think too much can be read into it. Flash still had the better year. Maybe Flash just is weak to Jaedong's particular playstyle (like Federer is to Nadal)  | ||
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pshych0
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 21 2010 07 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 21 2010 07 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 21 2010 07 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:32 KristianJS wrote: Overwhelming is kinda pushing it. In his peak years Federer lost to Nadal in the French Open Finals every single year yet that didn't somehow take away from Federer's other accomplishments and mean that Nadal was a better player in those years. You gotta look at the big picture. Obviously Flash has a way to go before he catches up to JD in terms of overall starleague success, but even if Flash loses both MSL's to JD this year, if he wins both OSL's I don't think too much can be read into it. Flash still had the better year. Maybe Flash just is weak to Jaedong's particular playstyle (like Federer is to Nadal) Except that Nadal is a clay specialist and no one was saying Nadal was worse than Federer on clay. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On May 21 2010 08:00 KristianJS wrote: The point is just that even being consistently beaten by another player in a final no less doesn't necessarily outweigh every other factor once again using the tennis analogy nadal is ahead of federer in H2H 14 - 7 yet Federer is the world ATP ranked number 1 its not all about losing the head to heads its also about how well you play the smaller guys and in Flash's case he's in both the MSL AND OSL training for the number 1 and number 2 zergs in Jaedong and Effort respectively | ||
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Flash is 26-5. Jaedong is 25-6. Of course I chose 31 because it coincides with Jaedong all-killing Sparkyz and ending his mild slump, but this is still a Bo5 between two dominant and mostly evenly-matched players. | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On May 21 2010 08:05 Trezeguet23 wrote: How can Flash say he is the best player if he has lost a finals twice in a row to the same player? This is seriously a flawed argument which has been dealt with a lot already this topic, even this very page. It's not all about head to head record. And if you wanna start talking like that, why not argue like this: how can JD call himself as good a player as Flash if he crashed out of the OSL the last two seasons while Flash made it to the finals both times? Just please realize there's a bigger picture here than just looking at head to head records, even if it's in consecutive finals (see: Federer-Nadal). | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 21 2010 05:36 Fr33t wrote: QFFT. Jaedong is even more of a monster lately than usual, he has this, no question. agreed Jaedong will win this like last MSL and no matter what people say Jaedong was going to win in that power outage hands down. I can't wait for this rematch of jaedong winning again :D | ||
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Deletrious
United States458 Posts
On May 21 2010 08:12 KristianJS wrote: This is seriously a flawed argument which has been dealt with a lot already this topic, even this very page. It's not all about head to head record. And if you wanna start talking like that, why not argue like this: how can JD call himself as good a player as Flash if he crashed out of the OSL the last two seasons while Flash made it to the finals both times? Just please realize there's a bigger picture here than just looking at head to head records, even if it's in consecutive finals (see: Federer-Nadal). Ok... but to be fair this isn't just a head to head, this is the championship game that occurs at the end of the playoffs. I don't care if you had a better regular season record, if you don't win the championship you can't really call yourself the best. | ||
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FastEddieV
United States614 Posts
On May 21 2010 04:34 n.DieJokes wrote: Regardless of what happens in the final, this match officially solidifies Jaedong as the GOAT of 5 pooling. What about the time he 5-pooled Skyhigh in game 4 of the WL finals and then instead of continuing the pressure by making nothing but lings, changing to an econ approach after the initial rush stalled out? Maybe my memory is bad but I think that's how it went. http://www.youtube.com/v/Dyr_q8XPPJA EDIT: Go Jaedong! I've never been a huge Flash fan. I realize all the (legitimate?) bonjwas were terran so it fits but I'll always pull for the zergs :D | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On May 21 2010 08:18 Deletrious wrote: Ok... but to be fair this isn't just a head to head, this is the championship game that occurs at the end of the playoffs. I don't care if you had a better regular season record, if you don't win the championship you can't really call yourself the best. This is basically all about the hypothetical "Flash wins OSL but JD wins MSL scenario" | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
But all this hypothetical stuff is getting silly (''If this happens your guy will suck, therefore your guy sucks'' ).  | ||
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DatTheMighty
Vietnam122 Posts
anyoen remember flash after his first osl victory? kid just doens't stop winning once he gets like super confident and cocky. i think it'll be like fuckign 10x what happened if he pulls a dual gold. | ||
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