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L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:53:17
May 21 2010 20:52 GMT
#241
On May 22 2010 02:30 QibingZero wrote:
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On May 21 2010 12:08 adelarge wrote:
This Jaedong fanboyism is getting out of hand. I really want to like him and cheer for good close games in MSL, but some people are making it extremely hard. Lets take a look at some facts, shall we?

Fact 1: Flash and JD are 4:3 in recent history (by recent I mean this and last season OSL/MSL + adequate SPL period, because if you wanna include previous MSL, you sure as hell cannot dodge last OSL). Yeah, that's right, Flash has more wins over JD than he has loses. Maybe somebody wants to pretend they only played in MSL and ignore the rest, but it doesn't work that way. JD got his ass whooped when they met in OSL and he lost again right after the MSL finals in ace match in winners league.

Fact 2: Flash has recenty broken almost every imaginable record. Highest Kespa rank ever, highest Elo ever BY FAR, he is the first progamer ever who had two MUs over 2300. Heck, he had EVERY MU over 2300. He had TvP higher than Jaedong ZvP! (You could argue that JD didn't play any protoss recently...well, maybe if he didn't get kicked out of OSL so soon, he could, like Flash or Effort did).

Fact 3: Flash is the first player ever who managed to reach double consecutive finals. Lets stop for a moment and think about it. Never ever in the whole history of BW there was a player who achieved that. Not Boxer, not iloveoov, not Nada, not Savior and definitely not Jaedong.

Fact 4: Flash is the best player in proleague. Yeah you are reading it right, not only he got to double consecutive finals, he at the same time scored most wins in PL. He even won the Winners league playoff for KT, something Jaedong failed to do when he had the chance last year (although he was really close).

And you are going to throw everything out of the window and say JD>Flash because of two BO5? Two BO5 which could together be played easily under 8 hours? Two BO5 from which one is already one of the most controversial and fucked up finals ever? Really? I mean...really?


Bo5 is simply the most accurate way we have to determine who is the best player. It's absolutely ridiculous that people like yourself discredit bo5 wins like they're nothing, when in reality they mean far more than anything else. By the way, Jaedong is 3-0 in bo5 matches between them, not 2-0. I can't believe you think you can downplay that and yet mention 'Oh Flash is ahead 4-3 in 'recent history'.' This is cherry picking stats at best.

Other points: Yawn ELO. Double finals, yes it's impressive (but so is winning a finals the last 3 seasons and going for 4 this one - in fact jaedong has been in a finals 7 of the last 8 seasons). Proleague? Using your love of 'recent history', we can note that Jaedong has more wins in this round, and is 4-0 in ace matches to Flash's 2-2. Also, WL vs PL finals? =P

And if you really want to play the this card, be prepared to fight against Jaedong's other accomplishments, such as his WCG Korea / international victories.


First of all, nobody ever discredited importance of BO5. But it seems that some people thinks it's more important factor than everything else combined. Which is bullshit. The game is called Starcraft and not Who's the best in BO5 for a reason, get it through your head already people.

I choosed the recent history as a reaction to others who were so eager to include JD win in last MSL. Maybe you would like to pretend nothing else happened, but it did. And A LOT. You wanna go for a shorter time interval? What about this season?

I'm well aware about their first BO5 meeting...you really believe that has some importance now? I also didn't mention how Flash won two BO3 right after, kicking JD from OSL and GOM.

I also don't know what's your problem with my point about the WL and PL finals. Do you want to elaborate? I though the fact that KTFlash won it and JaedongOz wasn't even in playoffs is well known already.

For the last time, so nobody would hopefully miss it - JD is far more accomplished player and he was definitely better than Flash in the past, nobody is denying that. But last couple of months Flash outplayed him in everything except BO5 (yet). It's enough to call him better player, BO5 results regardless.

It seems that JDs fans are just kicking around trying to dismiss everythig Flash did to keep their beloved player at the top.

And this is not damage control, more like reactions from fan who has enough of the biased nonsence. I've been reading TL for like three years and I've never felt like I should defend player like I should defend Flash now...and I've been his fan since his OSL/GOM run. He simply didn't have the skills/results to compete with JD in the past and I acknowledged that. But know he has and the fact that so many people are stupidly trying to downplay everything he did is something I can't ignore.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
May 22 2010 13:19 GMT
#242
On May 22 2010 05:52 adelarge wrote:
It seems that JDs fans are just kicking around trying to dismiss everythig Flash did to keep their beloved player at the top.

+ Show Spoiler [osl spoiler] +

in before flash fans nerdrage
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LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 13:22:18
May 22 2010 13:21 GMT
#243
OSL spoiler:
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Haha, "I can't leave Flash alone to win both titles"....
REEBUH!!!
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
May 22 2010 13:31 GMT
#244
On May 22 2010 22:21 LunarC wrote:
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Haha, "I can't leave Flash alone to win both titles"....


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I'm actually afraid that Flash will be super angry and destroy Jaedong...Oh wait, isn't jaedong scarier when he is angry? Well, he is pretty damn angry in his games lately, so gogo DONG
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3022 Posts
May 22 2010 13:38 GMT
#245
On May 22 2010 22:31 Art.FeeL wrote:
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On May 22 2010 22:21 LunarC wrote:
OSL spoiler:
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Haha, "I can't leave Flash alone to win both titles"....


+ Show Spoiler +

I'm actually afraid that Flash will be super angry and destroy Jaedong...Oh wait, isn't jaedong scarier when he is angry? Well, he is pretty damn angry in his games lately, so gogo DONG

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in the worst case scenario flash will play his best, and jaedong has a winning record against that

I BELIEVE!

man im more hyped now than i would be if flash had won the osl, this is gonna be awesome, cant wait
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L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
May 22 2010 13:42 GMT
#246
On May 22 2010 22:19 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 05:52 adelarge wrote:
It seems that JDs fans are just kicking around trying to dismiss everythig Flash did to keep their beloved player at the top.

+ Show Spoiler [osl spoiler] +

in before flash fans nerdrage


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Haha, you have no idea what is to be Flash fan for so long. He was getting kicked out of leagues for almost two years, even if he had the potential to win them...and I've been his fan through all of this. If I was prone to nerdraging, I would probably stop following progaming long time ago. Today, I'm just sad, but such thing is a part of every sport.

But there are gonna be another finals, Flash is still fighting!
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