• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 23:52
CET 05:52
KST 13:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT8Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book16Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0224LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker15
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Nexon's StarCraft game could be FPS, led by UMS maker How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game?
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Team League Season 10 PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) $5,000 WardiTV Winter Championship 2026
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 512 Overclocked Mutation # 511 Temple of Rebirth
Brood War
General
Gypsy to Korea Ladder maps - how we can make blizz update them? TvZ is the most complete match up Brood War inspired Terran vs Zerg cinematic – feed Which units you wish saw more use in the game?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0 KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Diablo 2 thread ZeroSpace Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Corso Formazione Insegnanti Yoga What Game makes you happy and stress free?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Ask and answer stupid questions here! Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Search For Meaning in Vi…
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2625 users

[Interview] Hana MSL 2010 Semi-Final B Winner - Page 13

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 All
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-21 20:53:17
May 21 2010 20:52 GMT
#241
On May 22 2010 02:30 QibingZero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2010 12:08 adelarge wrote:
This Jaedong fanboyism is getting out of hand. I really want to like him and cheer for good close games in MSL, but some people are making it extremely hard. Lets take a look at some facts, shall we?

Fact 1: Flash and JD are 4:3 in recent history (by recent I mean this and last season OSL/MSL + adequate SPL period, because if you wanna include previous MSL, you sure as hell cannot dodge last OSL). Yeah, that's right, Flash has more wins over JD than he has loses. Maybe somebody wants to pretend they only played in MSL and ignore the rest, but it doesn't work that way. JD got his ass whooped when they met in OSL and he lost again right after the MSL finals in ace match in winners league.

Fact 2: Flash has recenty broken almost every imaginable record. Highest Kespa rank ever, highest Elo ever BY FAR, he is the first progamer ever who had two MUs over 2300. Heck, he had EVERY MU over 2300. He had TvP higher than Jaedong ZvP! (You could argue that JD didn't play any protoss recently...well, maybe if he didn't get kicked out of OSL so soon, he could, like Flash or Effort did).

Fact 3: Flash is the first player ever who managed to reach double consecutive finals. Lets stop for a moment and think about it. Never ever in the whole history of BW there was a player who achieved that. Not Boxer, not iloveoov, not Nada, not Savior and definitely not Jaedong.

Fact 4: Flash is the best player in proleague. Yeah you are reading it right, not only he got to double consecutive finals, he at the same time scored most wins in PL. He even won the Winners league playoff for KT, something Jaedong failed to do when he had the chance last year (although he was really close).

And you are going to throw everything out of the window and say JD>Flash because of two BO5? Two BO5 which could together be played easily under 8 hours? Two BO5 from which one is already one of the most controversial and fucked up finals ever? Really? I mean...really?


Bo5 is simply the most accurate way we have to determine who is the best player. It's absolutely ridiculous that people like yourself discredit bo5 wins like they're nothing, when in reality they mean far more than anything else. By the way, Jaedong is 3-0 in bo5 matches between them, not 2-0. I can't believe you think you can downplay that and yet mention 'Oh Flash is ahead 4-3 in 'recent history'.' This is cherry picking stats at best.

Other points: Yawn ELO. Double finals, yes it's impressive (but so is winning a finals the last 3 seasons and going for 4 this one - in fact jaedong has been in a finals 7 of the last 8 seasons). Proleague? Using your love of 'recent history', we can note that Jaedong has more wins in this round, and is 4-0 in ace matches to Flash's 2-2. Also, WL vs PL finals? =P

And if you really want to play the this card, be prepared to fight against Jaedong's other accomplishments, such as his WCG Korea / international victories.


First of all, nobody ever discredited importance of BO5. But it seems that some people thinks it's more important factor than everything else combined. Which is bullshit. The game is called Starcraft and not Who's the best in BO5 for a reason, get it through your head already people.

I choosed the recent history as a reaction to others who were so eager to include JD win in last MSL. Maybe you would like to pretend nothing else happened, but it did. And A LOT. You wanna go for a shorter time interval? What about this season?

I'm well aware about their first BO5 meeting...you really believe that has some importance now? I also didn't mention how Flash won two BO3 right after, kicking JD from OSL and GOM.

I also don't know what's your problem with my point about the WL and PL finals. Do you want to elaborate? I though the fact that KTFlash won it and JaedongOz wasn't even in playoffs is well known already.

For the last time, so nobody would hopefully miss it - JD is far more accomplished player and he was definitely better than Flash in the past, nobody is denying that. But last couple of months Flash outplayed him in everything except BO5 (yet). It's enough to call him better player, BO5 results regardless.

It seems that JDs fans are just kicking around trying to dismiss everythig Flash did to keep their beloved player at the top.

And this is not damage control, more like reactions from fan who has enough of the biased nonsence. I've been reading TL for like three years and I've never felt like I should defend player like I should defend Flash now...and I've been his fan since his OSL/GOM run. He simply didn't have the skills/results to compete with JD in the past and I acknowledged that. But know he has and the fact that so many people are stupidly trying to downplay everything he did is something I can't ignore.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
May 22 2010 13:19 GMT
#242
On May 22 2010 05:52 adelarge wrote:
It seems that JDs fans are just kicking around trying to dismiss everythig Flash did to keep their beloved player at the top.

+ Show Spoiler [osl spoiler] +

in before flash fans nerdrage
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
LunarC
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1186 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 13:22:18
May 22 2010 13:21 GMT
#243
OSL spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +
Haha, "I can't leave Flash alone to win both titles"....
REEBUH!!!
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
May 22 2010 13:31 GMT
#244
On May 22 2010 22:21 LunarC wrote:
OSL spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +
Haha, "I can't leave Flash alone to win both titles"....


+ Show Spoiler +

I'm actually afraid that Flash will be super angry and destroy Jaedong...Oh wait, isn't jaedong scarier when he is angry? Well, he is pretty damn angry in his games lately, so gogo DONG
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
May 22 2010 13:38 GMT
#245
On May 22 2010 22:31 Art.FeeL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 22:21 LunarC wrote:
OSL spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +
Haha, "I can't leave Flash alone to win both titles"....


+ Show Spoiler +

I'm actually afraid that Flash will be super angry and destroy Jaedong...Oh wait, isn't jaedong scarier when he is angry? Well, he is pretty damn angry in his games lately, so gogo DONG

+ Show Spoiler +

in the worst case scenario flash will play his best, and jaedong has a winning record against that

I BELIEVE!

man im more hyped now than i would be if flash had won the osl, this is gonna be awesome, cant wait
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
May 22 2010 13:42 GMT
#246
On May 22 2010 22:19 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2010 05:52 adelarge wrote:
It seems that JDs fans are just kicking around trying to dismiss everythig Flash did to keep their beloved player at the top.

+ Show Spoiler [osl spoiler] +

in before flash fans nerdrage


+ Show Spoiler +
Haha, you have no idea what is to be Flash fan for so long. He was getting kicked out of leagues for almost two years, even if he had the potential to win them...and I've been his fan through all of this. If I was prone to nerdraging, I would probably stop following progaming long time ago. Today, I'm just sad, but such thing is a part of every sport.

But there are gonna be another finals, Flash is still fighting!
Prev 1 11 12 13 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
01:00
#69
PiGStarcraft412
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft438
PiGStarcraft412
RuFF_SC2 257
PiLiPiLi 105
StarCraft: Brood War
Noble 28
Purpose 22
Icarus 9
Dota 2
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
taco 991
m0e_tv505
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox403
Other Games
summit1g12575
C9.Mang0592
Maynarde150
Tasteless97
ToD86
Trikslyr50
minikerr6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1246
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 77
• practicex 12
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo930
• Stunt374
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 8m
WardiTV Winter Champion…
7h 8m
Replay Cast
19h 8m
PiG Sty Festival
1d 4h
Maru vs Bunny
Classic vs SHIN
The PondCast
1d 5h
KCM Race Survival
1d 5h
WardiTV Winter Champion…
1d 7h
OSC
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
Clem vs Percival
Zoun vs Solar
[ Show More ]
Epic.LAN
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
herO vs NightMare
Reynor vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Epic.LAN
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
Serral vs YoungYakov
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Winter Champion…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

C-League Week 31
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: King of Kings
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 1st Round Qualifier
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026: China & Korea Invitational
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.