EPT[Interview] Hana MSL 2010 Semi-Final B Winner - Page 12
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Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
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Pvvned
United States405 Posts
Jaedong is one of the best and will go down in the history of SC as one of the best. Flash will undoubtedly match that and will etch his name alongside his rival. As for now, these are the top two players in the entire world and they will duke it out to see who will come out on top. I doubt either are thinking even a fraction of what is being discussed here. They are simply focused on beating the other and claiming the gold. All we can do is sit back and enjoy. | ||
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AlwaysGG
Taiwan952 Posts
On May 20 2010 21:28 roMAD wrote: I love how FlaSh fans only mention the disadvantages of his preparing for the finals where he will play 2 zergs. The maps are different, the matchup to prepare for is only one, there's a whole week to prepare between the finals. oh look at your icon too ? | ||
Smix
United States4549 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:11 flamewheel91 wrote: =.= Smix look what you have done... this was bound to happen regardless ;;; | ||
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hasuprotoss
United States4612 Posts
On May 21 2010 04:05 tree.hugger wrote: The Department of Team Liquid Security has released it's monthly fanboy activity report. Team Watch Hite SPARKYZ Fans: Missing, presumed extinct. I'm dead! But really, there isn't much to cheer about as a Hite fan... So many of our players got caught in the scandal, Leta hasn't been living up to all that hype from so long ago, no type-b!!, and myriads of other crap makes me a sad Panda. But JAEDONG HWAITING! | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 21 2010 12:45 LG)Sabbath wrote: flash's current competition: free, kal, baby, great, mvp, midas, sea (current power rank) jaedong on his prime had to face: bisu, stork, fantasy, best, ggplay, hwasin (10/15/2008 power rank) I'm curious why you chose 10/15/08 as Jaedong's "prime". He won no leagues in that period, and that was really just the interim between Flash's 2008 dominance and the start of the Six Dragons' period of Protoss dominance. The mid-2009 period where Jaedong won both his OSLs is much more appropriate for what could be considered Jaedong's prime. The only reason I can see you not using those PRs instead is because you think PRs including Canata, Kwanro, and Iris don't work out strongly enough for your argument. | ||
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InFdude
Bulgaria619 Posts
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On May 21 2010 09:13 Shikyo wrote: Uhh Tennis can't be compared simply because Nadal IS the better clay player O_O It's not a perfect analogy, but like I said, it demonstrates that you need to look at the bigger picture when asking yourself who the best player of the season or year or 5 years is. It's meaningless to only look at the head to head record between two players while ignoring everything else, because by that logic you'd have to say Nadal was the better player overall during Federer's prime years, which is an absurd statement. | ||
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AlexGG
China3 Posts
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On May 21 2010 16:41 KristianJS wrote: It's not a perfect analogy, but like I said, it demonstrates that you need to look at the bigger picture when asking yourself who the best player of the season or year or 5 years is. It's meaningless to only look at the head to head record between two players while ignoring everything else, because by that logic you'd have to say Nadal was the better player overall during Federer's prime years, which is an absurd statement. This is true. Both things must be considered at the same time and is not black and white. See Savior vs Firebathero. No-one would argue that Savoir was the better player overall etc. but Firebatheros playstyle and mentality was just perfect against Saviors playstyle and mentality and therefore he beat him consistantly. FBH did however not do much other good and Savior got several titles. Same goes for Nadal vs. Fed. Nadal has the PERFECT playstyle and mentality against federer (which i can point out if anyone wants me to) and has a better record. Meanwhile federer has better statistics overall, so few are argueing which is the better player, but it is still not clear due to their mutual records. Flash vs JD however, JD has more titles and have them from different "eras" of progaming history (From bisus era to fantasys to Flashes etc.) and he so far also beats flash consistently on the big stages. | ||
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KristianJS
2107 Posts
On May 21 2010 17:50 Ota Solgryn wrote: Flash vs JD however, JD has more titles and have them from different "eras" of progaming history (From bisus era to fantasys to Flashes etc.) and he so far also beats flash consistently on the big stages. I don't think anyone would disagree with the idea that JD has the overall better career results so far (hard to argue against more medals!), but I think the discussion of who had the better season is less straightforward, and unlike what JD suggested, isn't going to be determined by MSL alone  | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
On May 21 2010 15:28 TheYango wrote: I'm curious why you chose 10/15/08 as Jaedong's "prime". He won no leagues in that period, and that was really just the interim between Flash's 2008 dominance and the start of the Six Dragons' period of Protoss dominance. The mid-2009 period where Jaedong won both his OSLs is much more appropriate for what could be considered Jaedong's prime. The only reason I can see you not using those PRs instead is because you think PRs including Canata, Kwanro, and Iris don't work out strongly enough for your argument. um, yes it does? both canata and iris are better than all of the players on the current power rank, except maybe comparing them to midas, but midas isnt exactly on his prime right now i picked that power rank because it was more representative... mid-2009 power ranks had bisu + fantasy + leta + stork on almost every single one, with bisu being in all of them, sometimes as #1... bisu is now gone, he used to beat flash left and right, but not jd... anyway jaedong had a far longer period of dominance than flash so his opponents were many more i'm pretty sure you can pick almost any power rank with jaedong as #1 and it will be tougher than the current one, and thats not even considering that jaedong had to beat flash while he was (is) doing good, while flash cant even beat jd (bo5) when hes slumping | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On May 21 2010 14:10 darktreb wrote: I can't believe we've reached a point where a player reached four out of the last four finals and people are trying to come up with ways to discredit him. Here's the list of other people who made as many finals in their ENTIRE CAREER than Flash made in the last two seasons. There's a good chance you'll recognize a lot of them, and for good reason: Nada Savior Oov Jaedong Boxer Yellow* Bisu Stork Reach Nal_Ra July Chojja * only one to never win, poor guy Oh and Flash is 51-9 in Proleague, 54-9 if you include the Winners League finals. He's also beaten pretty much every single top player at least once in Proleague. Look at that record again: 54-9!!!!! Nobody is denying that Jaedong is an incredible player. He has now made 6 finals in his career I believe he's the greatest of all time already. He's also made a final in 4 straight seasons and I believe 6 out of the last 8? Or is it 6 out of the last 7? It's simply incredible what Jaedong has done. But nobody has ever dominated to the degree Flash is dominating right now, for as long as Flash has dominated at this level. Flash fans simply want that to be acknowledged is all. Jaedong is really great - if he's not already the GOAT he will be shortly. Nobody should try to discredit his incredible career accomplishments, as well as how well he has played lately. But similarly people should stop downplaying what Flash has done in the past 8 months, even if he loses both finals (which I highly doubt). Thou speak'st aright, young grasshopper! | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
nor do I even want to read what you fucking retards spewed out your fucking ass you call mouths But watching this BO5 reminded me once again why Jaedong is so good at BO5s Jaedong's ability to dissect BO5s and create mind blowing strategies is so surreal at times and once again he proved why he is the Perfect Zerg of our age I watched the whole series (which was roughly like 40 minutes with commercial breaks lol) and I've never been more impressed with JD ever than before. Fuck the power outage, terran imba and etc retarded discussions you new posters, respected, veterans and even staff members are having in this thread We're lucky to have such epic MUs in years, and I wish you all put your fanboism aside for once and be glad we can watch some epic starcraft. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
i believe | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19343 Posts
On May 21 2010 04:05 tree.hugger wrote: The Department of Team Liquid Security has released it's monthly fanboy activity report. Team Watch Hite SPARKYZ Fans: Missing, presumed extinct. im a hite fan till the end | ||
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QibingZero
2611 Posts
On May 21 2010 12:08 adelarge wrote: This Jaedong fanboyism is getting out of hand. I really want to like him and cheer for good close games in MSL, but some people are making it extremely hard. Lets take a look at some facts, shall we? Fact 1: Flash and JD are 4:3 in recent history (by recent I mean this and last season OSL/MSL + adequate SPL period, because if you wanna include previous MSL, you sure as hell cannot dodge last OSL). Yeah, that's right, Flash has more wins over JD than he has loses. Maybe somebody wants to pretend they only played in MSL and ignore the rest, but it doesn't work that way. JD got his ass whooped when they met in OSL and he lost again right after the MSL finals in ace match in winners league. Fact 2: Flash has recenty broken almost every imaginable record. Highest Kespa rank ever, highest Elo ever BY FAR, he is the first progamer ever who had two MUs over 2300. Heck, he had EVERY MU over 2300. He had TvP higher than Jaedong ZvP! (You could argue that JD didn't play any protoss recently...well, maybe if he didn't get kicked out of OSL so soon, he could, like Flash or Effort did). Fact 3: Flash is the first player ever who managed to reach double consecutive finals. Lets stop for a moment and think about it. Never ever in the whole history of BW there was a player who achieved that. Not Boxer, not iloveoov, not Nada, not Savior and definitely not Jaedong. Fact 4: Flash is the best player in proleague. Yeah you are reading it right, not only he got to double consecutive finals, he at the same time scored most wins in PL. He even won the Winners league playoff for KT, something Jaedong failed to do when he had the chance last year (although he was really close). And you are going to throw everything out of the window and say JD>Flash because of two BO5? Two BO5 which could together be played easily under 8 hours? Two BO5 from which one is already one of the most controversial and fucked up finals ever? Really? I mean...really? Bo5 is simply the most accurate way we have to determine who is the best player. It's absolutely ridiculous that people like yourself discredit bo5 wins like they're nothing, when in reality they mean far more than anything else. By the way, Jaedong is 3-0 in bo5 matches between them, not 2-0. I can't believe you think you can downplay that and yet mention 'Oh Flash is ahead 4-3 in 'recent history'.' This is cherry picking stats at best. Other points: Yawn ELO. Double finals, yes it's impressive (but so is winning a finals the last 3 seasons and going for 4 this one - in fact jaedong has been in a finals 7 of the last 8 seasons). Proleague? Using your love of 'recent history', we can note that Jaedong has more wins in this round, and is 4-0 in ace matches to Flash's 2-2. Also, WL vs PL finals? =P And if you really want to play the this card, be prepared to fight against Jaedong's other accomplishments, such as his WCG Korea / international victories. On May 21 2010 14:10 darktreb wrote: I can't believe we've reached a point where a player reached four out of the last four finals and people are trying to come up with ways to discredit him. Irony at it's finest. This is a thread about Jaedong's MSL semis winner's interview. It's been hijacked into a Flash vs Jaedong fan war, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it wasn't the fault of the Jaedong fans commenting on the interview itself. If anything, we should be shocked at the audacity of those who will come in to a thread like this and attempt to discredit Jaedong. In short, let's start the damage control after the finals, not before. | ||
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Art.FeeL
1163 Posts
On May 22 2010 00:11 MrHoon wrote: I'm going to be honest with everyone in this thread, I did not read any of the comments written by Jaedong fans and Flash fans nor do I even want to read what you fucking retards spewed out your fucking ass you call mouths But watching this BO5 reminded me once again why Jaedong is so good at BO5s Jaedong's ability to dissect BO5s and create mind blowing strategies is so surreal at times and once again he proved why he is the Perfect Zerg of our age I watched the whole series (which was roughly like 40 minutes with commercial breaks lol) and I've never been more impressed with JD ever than before. Fuck the power outage, terran imba and etc retarded discussions you new posters, respected, veterans and even staff members are having in this thread We're lucky to have such epic MUs in years, and I wish you all put your fanboism aside for once and be glad we can watch some epic starcraft. The WORD! | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
And yea, the flash as well as the jaedong fanboys and all the discussion of who's the best or if the power outage actually decided the game may be a bit too much, but still, the discussion / trash talk from both sides is part of it and it is needed. | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
I expect he'll just macro machine his way through effort though, so my hope is with Jaedong to take him down a few pegs... | ||
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