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Waxangel
United States33584 Posts
 More seriously, Triathalon is a ridiculously silly map, and Starcraft II could use some funky maps too. Present SC II is reminding me of people playing Destination (Steppes of War) and and Python (Lost Temple, Metalopolis) exclusively back in the day. | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
I was so fucking pumped during this game holy shit..the lockdown to stop the recall was jizztacular | ||
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
So excited! | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
epic game tho. that lockdown on the arbiter was zomg awesome. | ||
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
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funnybananaman
United States830 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:38 yomi wrote: Brood War even has better graphics than SC2 true story i like them much more | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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iloahz
United States964 Posts
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Lightswarm
Canada967 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:38 gogogadgetflow wrote: wrong forum section i think. epic game tho. that lockdown on the arbiter was zomg awesome. Im pretty sure that was done on purpose | ||
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Madkipz
Norway1643 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:41 iloahz wrote: wow bw definitely has better graphics than sc2 in youtube/video forms. jank it up to 1080 p, or it might just be the casters you view have their settings set to low, low settings sorta bring sc2 down to a red alert , sc bw level. | ||
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
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Skee
Canada702 Posts
While SC2 has had 2 months. Dont forget the thousands of patches BW has had over the years. | ||
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jgju
United States454 Posts
Games like this make me think I'll probably just go straight back to bw as soon as the beta is over. | ||
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Gamer0ne
Bulgaria51 Posts
Sounds & graphics are shoulders & head ahead,no question about it. | ||
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Umbrella
Taiwan936 Posts
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aeroH
United States1034 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:46 Madkipz wrote: jank it up to 1080 p, or it might just be the casters you view have their settings set to low, low settings sorta bring sc2 down to a red alert , sc bw level. 12 years to develop strategies. 17 seconds to call down a nuke. 20 minutes for hiya to make me laugh and cry. On May 10 2010 09:43 Lightswarm wrote: Im pretty sure that was done on purpose people with 5000 posts don't troll | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
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gForce.
United Kingdom345 Posts
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Bear4188
United States1797 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:40 blabber wrote: Just a question to the sc2 map editors out there: is it possible to have some of the gimmicks that are found in the more crazy bw maps? Like Troy geysers, Plasma eggs (or the idea that only workers can go through a certain type of wall by mining a Mineral), neutral arbiter (mothership) to cloak a wall, etc All those things can be done easily, and much more. The problem with map making right now (besides the inability to publish :p ) is that mapmakers as well as the players don't really know the full extent of what map elements will do in terms of gameplay. The mapmakers need just as much time to figure out how to tweak gameplay on their maps to what they're looking for. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:52 Liquid_Turbo wrote: SC2 is SC2. BW is BW. Why do you need to post it in the SC2 forum? I think more people come here, so it'll get more attention | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:54 3 Lions wrote: I think more people come here, so it'll get more attention Sad thing is, If some random poster posted this, it would have gotten locked..anyways I'm glad we have someone showing the newbies who don't even go to the BW forum just how much Bw potential for awesomeness >SC2 potential for awesomeness. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
The game would have been awesome if the T actually won it... nontheless it was an entertaining game, for sure. | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:01 3FFA wrote: Not as entertaining as watching a bunch of DTs die to mass baneling with an overseer overhead, especially when you must compare it to... wait, what can I compare it to in BW?!? lol. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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minus_human
4784 Posts
Also lol at the guy complaining that this is not BW forum, it's fucking WAXANGEL posting, he was around when you were playing Mario, you can't get more veteran than that | ||
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aeroH
United States1034 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + (9:01:58 PM) so much bettr than sc2 (9:01:59 PM) sc2 is (9:02:02 PM) WOAH THAT LOOKS AMAZING (9:02:03 PM) bw is (9:02:06 PM) HOLY SHIT WTF HOW DO YOU DO THAT | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
in sc2 they are joke ;/ | ||
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Waxangel
United States33584 Posts
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
Terran had actually won. He did a bunch of cool shit and then just got overrun | ||
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:14 Waxangel wrote: yes, I abuse mod power to promote the game I like better That's a good thing  . | ||
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
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Lightswarm
Canada967 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:17 Tsagacity wrote: Just finally finished watch it. I would have liked it a lot more if + Show Spoiler + Terran had actually won. He did a bunch of cool shit and then just got overrun the 3 port wraith was bit excessive since it didnt do anything significant. perhaps 4 port wraith into BC is the key | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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xOchievax
United States69 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:38 yomi wrote: Brood War even has better graphics than SC2 damn right it does | ||
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ChinaRestaurant
Austria324 Posts
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
lol, how can you even pretend to believe that's true? I have a thing for old-school pixelation, but this game looks almost indistinguishable from Warcraft 2 these days. It's so simple. | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:31 Wr3k wrote: Is it just me or does SC2 seem to play faster than BW. Yup.we can't make fun of 1a2a3a gg..now its 1a gg.. But really..wasn't it designed to be a faster game overall? | ||
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Ideas
United States8167 Posts
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Trezeguet
United States2656 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:52 gogogadgetflow wrote: 12 years to develop strategies. 17 seconds to call down a nuke. 20 minutes for hiya to make me laugh and cry. people with 5000 posts don't troll lol I was all yes, yes, yes .....noooooooo The game was ridiculous, I woke up to watch the Jaedong games just as this one started and wow, best game I've seen this year no question. | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:14 Waxangel wrote: yes, I abuse mod power to promote the game I like better Haha fair enough. Was just suprised.. most 'anti'-sc2 threads seem to get locked up quick! BW forever. | ||
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:34 Liquid_Turbo wrote: Haha fair enough. Was just suprised.. most 'anti'-sc2 threads seem to get locked up quick! BW forever. Seriously, where do you people come from? The entire tone of these forums is "anti"-sc2, because people just looooove to bitch about everything. | ||
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Vain
Netherlands1115 Posts
at least zerg weren't those squishy bugs they are now back in the days... | ||
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:35 suejak wrote: Seriously, where do you people come from? The entire tone of these forums is "anti"-sc2, because people just looooove to bitch about everything. Or maybe the game that we have loved forever is being succeeded by something with a similar name that doesn't do it justice. I can only hope that at some point SC2 will surpass SC1 in greatness.. | ||
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:38 Megalisk wrote: Or maybe the game that we have loved forever is being succeeded by something with a similar name that doesn't do it justice. See, but nothing could ever do it justice. You will be angry about anything. It's the nature of your variety of attachment. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
i like how free has gotten his arbiter locked down twice now | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
I can't help but feel that they should make the neutral arbiter 0/0 energy...hiya could have won then :[. Oh wells. Amazing fucking game. | ||
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ymirheim
Sweden300 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:58 Megalisk wrote: Sad thing is, If some random poster posted this, it would have gotten locked..anyways I'm glad we have someone showing the newbies who don't even go to the BW forum just how much Bw potential for awesomeness >SC2 potential for awesomeness. More likely is that all the arrogance and dismissiveness of sc2 potential is going to alienate people who did not play broodwar from ever getting interested. Considering almost every broodwar promotion thread these days starts with "omg gusy, look how much better broodwar is than sc2 lol" (Not every bw fan does this but there is a serious amount of elitism going around) Fortunately I am one of those enjoying both games so I won't fit into that category but just saying, if people on this forum are interested in getting people who are new to the series with sc2 to take an interest in bw, then they are doing just about every possible thing wrong. | ||
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dynamite
Germany33 Posts
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33584 Posts
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EPO
Canada341 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:52 Liquid_Turbo wrote: SC2 is SC2. BW is BW. Why do you need to post it in the SC2 forum? oh shit thanks for clarifying. | ||
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paper
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BladeRunner
United States407 Posts
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Xinliben
United States931 Posts
Unless it is Thelittleone playing. | ||
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minus_human
4784 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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jtbem
Canada1404 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Yep. | ||
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Dingo_egret
Brazil97 Posts
wait what In all honesty, that game was pretty awesome, I loved it, I love BW, but I really don't see how that match is a basis for claiming it is superior to SC2. About the only thing done here that you could not do in SC2 (excluding map stuff but that's simply because SC2 maps haven't had community contribution yet) is the lockdown (which was incredibly sweet, by the way). I'm going to get flamed a lot for this but I feel like people are just getting childish, it seems like they want Sc2 (a game that has had no expansions and some 3 months to develop) seem worse than BW (an expansion that has had 12 years of people playing it hardcore and for a lot of money) and will use whatever justification they can to make that valid. Now I'm not checking back on this thread just because I don't wanna get into silly discussions, but that's my opinion. | ||
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On May 10 2010 11:57 Xinliben wrote: Day just casted this. Man that game was awesome, wish I saw it live. I like playing SC2 more, but undeniably BW is a much more entertaining spectator sport. So many interesting things can happen, either just fantastic micro or completely radical builds that are just odd like this game. SC2 has already fallen into a rut of being fairly predictable (big groups of units a move into each other pretty much sums up the "late game") Unless it is Thelittleone playing. You don't seem to understand the way these games work. TLO is good because he does original shit and everybody else is boring. Korean pros are good because they do original shit and everybody else is boring. It's just the nature of these things, man. It's the evolution of a game. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
There is nothing in SC2 (maybe except for that one time TLO used colossus like reavers) that makes me change my underwear. Maybe in a couple of years but for now BW is much better. I mean cmon, Im d- in BW and fcking almost platinum in SC2. | ||
Chill
Calgary25996 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On May 10 2010 12:11 iLoveKT wrote: Damn strait BW>>>SC2. There is nothing in SC2 (maybe except for that one time TLO used colossus like reavers) that makes me change my underwear. Maybe in a couple of years but for now BW is much better. I mean cmon, Im d- in BW and fcking almost platinum in SC2. ...in a regional beta that's been out for a couple of months and has what is currently a funky laddering system? :-/ lol, "almost platinum". I'm not sure you get how this works. | ||
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JSH
United States4109 Posts
Free on the other hand did not seem amused | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
On May 10 2010 12:17 suejak wrote: ...in a regional beta that's been out for a couple of months and has what is currently a funky laddering system? :-/ lol, "almost platinum". I'm not sure you get how this works. the point is I find SC2 relatively easy compared to BW. And thats not a good thing, for me at least. | ||
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QueueQueue
Canada1000 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:46 ymirheim wrote: More likely is that all the arrogance and dismissiveness of sc2 potential is going to alienate people who did not play broodwar from ever getting interested. Considering almost every broodwar promotion thread these days starts with "omg gusy, look how much better broodwar is than sc2 lol" (Not every bw fan does this but there is a serious amount of elitism going around) Fortunately I am one of those enjoying both games so I won't fit into that category but just saying, if people on this forum are interested in getting people who are new to the series with sc2 to take an interest in bw, then they are doing just about every possible thing wrong. I agree with this. I love BW, I love watching BW pro matches, however I do love SC2 as well. It's sad to see some TL veterans and BW activists alienating such a great community, and are doing so in such an immature way. They come across as petty and arrogant. It's just so childish, and really does nothing for Brood War but make its followers look like morons. Please stop. Embrace the idea that the Starcraft community will be growing. It's good for its overall awareness and presence in the gaming world. SC2 bringing new people into the community inevitably will bring more into watching the SC1 pro scene which is also great. On a note about the Hiya vs Free game... It was unorthodox, showed map abuse, and that's about it. The game itself wasn't even that great. Don't get me wrong, the lock down was great, but that single action didn't make the rest of the game all that entertaining. Overrated. Edit: On May 10 2010 12:14 Chill wrote: Guess I'm the only one not impressed with that game. Terran shenanigans dying to conventional macro. The lockdown was sick though. You're not the only one! | ||
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dtnmang
Vietnam752 Posts
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
On May 10 2010 12:14 Chill wrote: Guess I'm the only one not impressed with that game. Terran shenanigans dying to conventional macro. The lockdown was sick though. You're a long-time commentator and player. It would make sense that you'd be somewhat unimpressed from the analytical point of view that may have become ingrained. Maybe all you can see is base count and macro, or maybe it's just not even your taste at all. But the people who hyped it up thought that it was impressive entertainment from the point of view of a lay spectator. Shenanigans are entertaining. Screaming Korean commentators and fangirls are entertaining. Mind-controlled manner command centers are entertaining. Nukes are entertaining. Seeing HiyA smile is entertaining, in a nauseating, horror movie kind of way. And yes, last second lockdowns are entertaining. If you want technically impressive, maybe you'd be underwhelmed by this game in particular, but if you want to be entertained as a spectator, it was a fun and unique ride that brought back momentary flashes of Boxer. Was it the "best" game of the year? Maybe it depends on your point of view. | ||
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:30 suejak wrote: lol, how can you even pretend to believe that's true? I have a thing for old-school pixelation, but this game looks almost indistinguishable from Warcraft 2 these days. It's so simple. don't need to pretend, IT'S FUCKING TRUE, sc;bw graphics = sex with kerrigan, sc2 graphics = bob the builder built sc2 | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
twas an awesome gameee | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On May 10 2010 12:14 Chill wrote: Guess I'm the only one not impressed with that game. Terran shenanigans dying to conventional macro. The lockdown was sick though. It's not like it was a suicidal strat though - Hiya had a timing (right after the recall that didn't do much) where he could have pushed and won. I "agree" though in the sense that if you pull off that many shenanigans, you should probably actually have a lead instead of an "I did all this crazy stuff just to squeeze out one small timing window that you can usually get playing normal TvP anyway". | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17707 Posts
On May 10 2010 12:14 Chill wrote: Guess I'm the only one not impressed with that game. Terran shenanigans dying to conventional macro. The lockdown was sick though. You're not alone. For the entire game I was thinking to myself that nukes and 3 port wraith harass was cool, but you can't win the game this way and if only Free will be able to hold on until he gets his tech it's game over right there. Hiya had too much supply/resources locked in harass so when the first Protoss hits came crashing down on him, he didn't have enough units to respond and deal with the threat quickly enough, which translated directly into immediate loss of map control and thus a huge setback for a mid-late game. But you have to admit that seeing EMP + nuke and awesome lockdown is rare this days. | ||
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On May 10 2010 12:44 Sephy69 wrote: don't need to pretend, IT'S FUCKING TRUE, sc;bw graphics = sex with kerrigan, sc2 graphics = bob the builder built sc2 Most disturbing set of analogies ever to grace the internet. I hope your weird sexual appetites are kept at bay by some sort of well-regulated porn supply. BW had its day. It will go on being an ok game. But it's just a lot of tedium and clicking these days for some of us. Sorta ugly clicking. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:56 Tsagacity wrote: I really wish SC2 had some sleek, hi-res 2D look to it i wish SC2 was on 2D  | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On May 10 2010 13:20 skronch wrote: i'm glad this was posted. people need to be made aware how baller hiya is Anybody can be baller and lose. =D | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3128 Posts
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:30 suejak wrote: lol, how can you even pretend to believe that's true? I have a thing for old-school pixelation, but this game looks almost indistinguishable from Warcraft 2 these days. It's so simple. It's like playing 2D chess on a computer versus 3D chess. No one in their right mind would prefer to play on a 3D board because the unnecessary clutter interferes with the game. | ||
GTR
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
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suejak
Japan545 Posts
On May 10 2010 13:40 Saracen wrote: It's like playing 2D chess on a computer versus 3D chess. No one in their right mind would prefer to play on a 3D board because the unnecessary clutter interferes with the game. The difference being that this is a space game with aliens and explosions. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9107 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:59 Senx wrote: + Show Spoiler + The game would have been awesome if the T actually won it... nontheless it was an entertaining game, for sure. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + scan scan scan EMP EMP EMP WA RECALLLLLLLUUUUUUU WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LOCKDOWNU YAAAAAAAAAA When I saw that recall animation I was sure the game was over. It was the most outrageous timing on lockdown I have ever seen. Well done to the observer for catching all the action with such perfect precision. It would have been so easy to miss either moment by a few seconds. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
On May 10 2010 14:03 vek wrote: I only caught the last half of this game on the stream the other night (I was an idiot and only wanted to see Midas vs Jaedong) and wow this has been pretty much the best game I've seen in months. Multiple pimpest plays from both sides. + Show Spoiler + scan scan scan EMP EMP EMP WA RECALLLLLLLUUUUUUU WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LOCKDOWNU YAAAAAAAAAA When I saw that recall animation I was sure the game was over. It was the most outrageous timing on lockdown I have ever seen. Well done to the observer for catching all the action with such perfect precision. It would have been so easy to miss either moment by a few seconds. Yeah great job by the observer. The TSL made me appreciate the korean observers quite a bit with how off things could get between observers and the casters when they aren't in the same room. | ||
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Tadah
Sweden120 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
And if you're going heavy wraith, you've really gotta kill those neutral arbiters, man. | ||
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On May 10 2010 13:12 suejak wrote: Most disturbing set of analogies ever to grace the internet. I hope your weird sexual appetites are kept at bay by some sort of well-regulated porn supply. BW had its day. It will go on being an ok game. But it's just a lot of tedium and clicking these days for some of us. Sorta ugly clicking. i'm glad you liked my analogies. BW didn't "had its day" BW is still having it's days, everyday and it will go on being one of the best games ever to surface this earth | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
rage MC | ||
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pyrogenetix
China5098 Posts
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rredtooth
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Spritescaper
United States63 Posts
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
On May 10 2010 15:43 pyrogenetix wrote: hiya should ask out the cute girl that started applauding when he lockdown the arbiter =D If they ever met physically, she'd be the one asking him out. That's what i would do if i were her. His play is too pimp <3 | ||
Smix
United States4549 Posts
such a goodd gamee just sad i missed it live | ||
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Ftrunkz
Australia2474 Posts
Unconventional stuff like this is exciting, and makes broodwar fun to watch, but this happens, what, 1 in every 100 games? In starcraft 2 every 10th game you see something unconventional you didnt think was viable and a good player pull it off to beat another good player, if anything this proves why sc2 > bw | ||
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Creationism
China505 Posts
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On May 10 2010 16:36 Ftrunkz wrote: The best part is that hiya looked like he was enjoying himself, regardless of the outcome. His smile at the MC made me laugh :D. Unconventional stuff like this is exciting, and makes broodwar fun to watch, but this happens, what, 1 in every 100 games? In starcraft 2 every 10th game you see something unconventional you didnt think was viable and a good player pull it off to beat another good player, if anything this proves why sc2 > bw Hmm I have to disagree, I have yet to be impressed by any Starcraft 2 matches, Brood War is still lightyears ahead in terms of spectator enjoyment for me. I am not saying SC2 is bad, I enjoy it a lot. I just find watching even "top level" games quite boring. I think it is mostly the lack of interesting units. If you can recommend a good SC2 match I'm all for giving it a go but so far I have been disapointed by all of the recommended SC2 games. | ||
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Fx_
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Emon_
3925 Posts
I think that was the game ending moment. With the wraiths he could have went around the map and killed the remaining arbiters. Strange that he didnt remake them though. . . | ||
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ZenDeX
Philippines2916 Posts
On May 10 2010 16:36 Ftrunkz wrote: The best part is that hiya looked like he was enjoying himself, regardless of the outcome. His smile at the MC made me laugh :D. Unconventional stuff like this is exciting, and makes broodwar fun to watch, but this happens, what, 1 in every 100 games? In starcraft 2 every 10th game you see something unconventional you didnt think was viable and a good player pull it off to beat another good player, if anything this proves why sc2 > bw Because Blizzard somehow figured out what to automate and what not. In BW, unconventional strats get destroyed because of pure mechanics. | ||
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Batssa
United States154 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On May 10 2010 16:36 Ftrunkz wrote: Unconventional stuff like this is exciting, and makes broodwar fun to watch, but this happens, what, 1 in every 100 games? In starcraft 2 every 10th game you see something unconventional you didnt think was viable and a good player pull it off to beat another good player, if anything this proves why sc2 > bw That's largely because we don't really have a sense of what's "standard" other than in the most basic sense (marauders/roaches being good in every matchup, etc.), and because the "good" players are the equivalent of maybe C or B level players in BW right now. Unconventional strategies were common at the start of Brood War's competitive life as well, and won games just as often. | ||
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CCGaunt
United States417 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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Piste
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On May 10 2010 09:46 Madkipz wrote: jank it up to 1080 p, or it might just be the casters you view have their settings set to low, low settings sorta bring sc2 down to a red alert , sc bw level. sc bw level? bw is so crystal clear to watch. just aweseome easy for the eyes of spectators. Also the thousands of strats and patches since 1998 makes it almost impossible for sc2 to catch up. bw is 12 years ahead man. | ||
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Singapore6164 Posts
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + HiyA deserved to win that, also the smile when free mind controlled his scv was hilarious. | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
On May 10 2010 10:14 Waxangel wrote: yes, I abuse mod power to promote the game I like better I and i salute chuuuuuuuuuuuuu | ||
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Eggm
United States152 Posts
On topic : AMAZING GAME. God.... I was like squirming with excitement. | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
On May 10 2010 20:09 Katsuge wrote: that clutch lockdown had me shouting..;0 oh definitely, i was like nooooooooo fuuccckkk ahhhh recall!!, then a HUGE clutch lockdown and i was literally like "O_O!!" | ||
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
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SturmAddict
Malaysia176 Posts
However for me, this game is definitely awesome in my book. Hiya did everything you shoudnt do in a real tvp game. air upgrades. wraiths. cloak upgrades. ghosts. nukes. lockdown. It went fine.....until he suicided a dozen wraiths in his own nuke. I think he could have easily tipped the game otherwise. | ||
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
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Fuu
198 Posts
In the end, some people refuse to state the obvious, and often summarize bw superiority as a 12 years development advantage. Eventhough this point is partially valid, it blindly ignores a lot of issues which have already been raised (which is really bad for the new game). It's not too surprising you can't create this kind of topic on the SC2 forum. Thanks for the awesome game, though. | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
It's refreshing to see broodwar games because they remind you how mechanics used to matter. Can't just make 5 air units and micro them for 5 minutes while sucking at macro like in some *other* unnamed game. Thing is free had a good counter build against what hiya did. But micro and moving shot allowed hiya to even out the odds. Imagine if wraiths instead behaved like banshees. Boooooring... <3 Waxangel | ||
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mrdx
Vietnam1555 Posts
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On May 10 2010 21:49 LaLuSh wrote: In SC2 hiya so would have won. Wouldn't have had to wait for 6wraiths to 1 shot a worker, just make 2 banshees and gg. But they don't have moving shot so if the toss flipped his coin right and guessed for air he would have won. A borefest of a game decided by guessing. It's refreshing to see broodwar games because they remind you how mechanics used to matter. Can't just make 5 air units and micro them for 5 minutes while sucking at macro like in some *other* unnamed game. Thing is free had a good counter build against what hiya did. But micro and moving shot allowed hiya to even out the odds. Imagine if wraiths instead behaved like banshees. Boooooring... <3 Waxangel the more i think about that the more im convinced that sc2 will never be close to bw unless blizzard changes something drastically | ||
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architekt
Germany64 Posts
in bw it was all about your imagination since units were so utterly pixelated. have you ever taken a glance at the sc2 artwork, the color concepts and stuff, no go look up sc1 artwork and tell me its better. nice game though. those were the good old days, now its the good new days! why always braggin about how bw is so much better, when after 12 or 11 years you finally get the chance to have a new experience. sry ppl of sc1, im just a newb who is tired of TLs uni sono SC2 negativism. | ||
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Bael
Australia49 Posts
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
On May 10 2010 23:07 lolreaper wrote: the more i think about that the more im convinced that sc2 will never be close to bw unless blizzard changes something drastically Bigger maps (and thus longer games). Thats what would make SC2 better. It would be even easier to balance the game on bigger maps IMO, cause you know, build time of units, small difference in stats, such things wont matter that much (and also if i could fast expand easier, i could have more scans ). | ||
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Gregsen
Germany667 Posts
Calm down SC2 fanboys | ||
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danbel1005
United States1319 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:38 yomi wrote: Brood War even has better graphics than SC2 Ok I love Broodwar, I really do, but u might wanna reconsider what u said, cuz clearly thats not a true statement. Anyways, to be honest I still find Broodwar a lot more fun to watch and play than SC2. For some reason Sc2 looks "wierd", I mean dont get me wrong Im not saying that Sc2 isnt worth playing but its simple not how I thought it would be. But then again this could be just because Im not feeling as comfortable playing it as I did when playing the Almighty Broodwar. | ||
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architekt
Germany64 Posts
/edit actually i am not so new to tl. its just a new account. see, i dont care about post count and i dont judge people by their post count either. | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
3 port wraith? remember the PP that had corsairs being used on LT with splash damage to kill off wraiths? it's probably not the most optimal counter, but archons would do the same thing - it's like fighting off mutalisks, but more fragile with cloaking. Lockdown? Free had that done to him a long long time ago by boxer on a blue tileset map (I want to say ROTK, but it might have been medusa...it was an example of a metagame counter). Mindcontrol? Well this map has the arbs floating around, which is a special map feature, which made this super viable. That was new and interesting from a strategy point of view. great great game though. BW players showing that they can still think and adapt with the best of them = awesome. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
good thread, too bad it got moved | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13074 Posts
watched it live and was awesome | ||
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Yggdrasil Leaf
221 Posts
Yep,yep. | ||
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
really cool game plan haha and well executed too. but also well played by free! definitely one of the best pvt's in recent years. | ||
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despite
Bulgaria105 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:49 mity wrote: well, BW has only had 12 YEARS to have people develop its strategies. While SC2 has had 2 months. Dont forget the thousands of patches BW has had over the years. lol@thousands. Do you know what the current version is? SC2 beta is going to have the same number of patches very soon. | ||
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Corrupt
Bulgaria1312 Posts
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
I got a question.. why is BW still played on only 128 128 pretty much... Can't we have gigantic maps yet? Cmon! Players are too good nowadays. But yeah, this game was amazing... it made me think for a long long time. | ||
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
make me feal like stoping sc2 and going right back to sc1 lol . | ||
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Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On May 10 2010 23:58 despite wrote: lol@thousands. Do you know what the current version is? SC2 beta is going to have the same number of patches very soon. Glad to see you count retail patches as being the same as SC2's beta patches. SC beta and BW beta had a lot of patches during their betas. This was a sick game, but too bad about the rest of the series not being as epic. | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
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Craton
United States17281 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:41 iloahz wrote: wow bw definitely has better graphics than sc2 in youtube/video forms. Watch the youtube videos from 2007 or so and earlier before you make things up. Low quality is low quality, regardless of what game is being shown. + Show Spoiler + Comparing high quality of an old game vs low quality of a new game is goddamned stupid. Just because there's a bandwagon, it doesn't mean you should hop on it. | ||
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
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Sandrosuperstar
Sweden525 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 10 2010 12:14 Chill wrote: Guess I'm the only one not impressed with that game. Terran shenanigans dying to conventional macro. The lockdown was sick though. No I agree with you Chill, the game was better than average but I've seen wayyyyy better games. I find it amusing that so many people from SC2 find that game incredible | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
SC2 = | ||
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
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shalafi
394 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:38 yomi wrote: Brood War even has better graphics than SC2 Agreed, I've seen many people disagree, but I assume you're talking about VODs/Live streams. SC2 looks like crap in video, specially compared to SC1. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8021 Posts
On May 11 2010 03:09 Plexa wrote: No I agree with you Chill, the game was better than average but I've seen wayyyyy better games. I find it amusing that so many people from SC2 find that game incredible It's not that the game itself was that good in terms of playing (and actually it was damn disappointing that Free won at the end) but Hyia's build was just sick. 2 port wraiths into ninja expo + nuke with lockdown vs arbiters is the most original and balsy shit we have seen in TvP since Boxer golden age. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 11 2010 03:56 Biff The Understudy wrote: Uhh... that's just not correct. However, I will say that it is the most original and ballsy shit we've seen all year but going back to boxer? That's just wrong lol. It's not that the game itself was that good in terms of playing (and actually it was damn disappointing that Free won at the end) but Hyia's build was just sick. 2 port wraiths into ninja expo + nuke with lockdown vs arbiters is the most original and balsy shit we have seen in TvP since Boxer golden age. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8021 Posts
On May 11 2010 04:21 Plexa wrote: Uhh... that's just not correct. However, I will say that it is the most original and ballsy shit we've seen all year but going back to boxer? That's just wrong lol. Ok, ok, ok, I slightly exagerate. But seriously, do you see 2 ports wraith TvP into nuke every day in such important occasion? Maybe it's a mistake to hype this game more than it should but sayinng "meh it was not that entertaining" is just wrong too. Everybody was jizzing his pants on the chat of the stream. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8021 Posts
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On May 11 2010 04:30 Biff The Understudy wrote: Ok, ok, ok, I slightly exagerate. But seriously, do you see 2 ports wraith TvP into nuke every day in such important occasion? Maybe it's a mistake to hype this game more than it should but sayinng "meh it was not that entertaining" is just wrong too. Everybody was jizzing his pants on the chat of the stream. Well I said the game was better than your average game, just that I've seen far better games played out. I mean, look at Bisu vs Iris on Byzantium for instance! Or for something more recent, Flash vs Kal (not as awesome as Bisu vs iris though). | ||
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5529 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On May 11 2010 04:30 Biff The Understudy wrote: Ok, ok, ok, I slightly exagerate. But seriously, do you see 2 ports wraith TvP into nuke every day in such important occasion? Maybe it's a mistake to hype this game more than it should but sayinng "meh it was not that entertaining" is just wrong too. Everybody was jizzing his pants on the chat of the stream. No, I don't think you're exaggerating. Planning out such a strategy for a semifinal game is just epic. You could argue that the fantasy build was similar, but this is ... cloaked wraiths and nukes in TvP ~!~!~!~! | ||
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
On May 11 2010 04:30 Biff The Understudy wrote: Ok, ok, ok, I slightly exagerate. But seriously, do you see 2 ports wraith TvP into nuke every day in such important occasion? Maybe it's a mistake to hype this game more than it should but sayinng "meh it was not that entertaining" is just wrong too. Everybody was jizzing his pants on the chat of the stream. totally agree with you, and you are not exaggerating! | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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NeoOmega
United States495 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Props to Free for not completely losing his cool during the game; although he did have some very questionable moves in game. I think everyone's just hyped and excited cause Free got nuked. Everyone gets excited when a nuke appears. It's like when Casy nuke rushed Jy into retirement or when Boxer nuked Killer and Yellow. | ||
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zimz
United States510 Posts
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Devski
United States25 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
Unorthodox TvP ftw. | ||
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Rkie
United States1278 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
More seriously, Triathalon is a ridiculously silly map, and Starcraft II could use some funky maps too. Present SC II is reminding me of people playing Destination (Steppes of War) and and Python (Lost Temple, Metalopolis) exclusively back in the day. Well for SC2, it is, as you said, 'back in the day'. Give it time. The Map Editor alone will see SC2 grow into something special. | ||
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
On May 11 2010 08:59 Devski wrote: sc2 is still just a beta. give it some fucking time. it took sc1 years to get at the great state it is now How old was the genre back in the days of SC:BW? How much experience about RTS could they possibly have had? And how about now, so many years later? It's really disappointing so far. People dislike SC2 because it doesn't live up to their expectations which they have because they know so much about RTS. Blizzard should have the same amount of experience, but however could not make the game that good so far. Also, they seem only to change balance slightly. Make this and that skill an upgrade instead of instantly available, tune some values. But they barely try to implement stuff like spectacular micro. It just feels like the very foundation of the game might be a failure already. Of course Broodwar was not planned the way it tourned out so many years later. However, people didn't realize how many options and things there were because there were too few games to compare it with. SC2 has its predecessor and many other games it can be compared with and people know how sick macro or micro can look like, however they cannot reach it with the game base given. They know the options they used to have and now they're gone. Filling this huge APM gap only with slightly more positioning or a bit better focus firing? How boring is that? | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
Notice there's a reason why nobody compares SC2 to SC1? You know, that strategy game without lurkers, medics, corsairs, all those fun things? Apparently SC2 has a few expansions on the way. Oh and the actual game as well. Forgot about that. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On May 10 2010 12:14 Chill wrote: Guess I'm the only one not impressed with that game. Terran shenanigans dying to conventional macro. The lockdown was sick though. I was not impressed either. A gimmicky nuke that did not even kill the first nexus. With beta for SC2 being out, I am starting to see the other side of the argument of how some SC people are too fanatical and have no perspective. yes, sick game, but uh, people are going crazy off of nuke use? lol. Brood war is more difficult than SC2 of course, but SC2 has lots of things that are difficult as well. This game probably is not a good example for bw > sc2 lol. | ||
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
On May 11 2010 09:54 k!llua wrote: OK, let's try this again. Notice there's a reason why nobody compares SC2 to SC1? You know, that strategy game without lurkers, medics, corsairs, all those fun things? Apparently SC2 has a few expansions on the way. Oh and the actual game as well. Forgot about that. Great argument. "Ok, it's a boring game, but in two years it will potentially change when there might come an addon. Blizzard knows about that, but they do not care if the game sucks until then." If todays experience is "Starcraft without Broodwar sucks", why step back to make a game that is similar to Starcraft without Addon?... | ||
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FraCuS
United States1072 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
YEAA BW FOR LIFE, FOREVER, YES WE EVERYBODY, YEA KKKKUURUKK, YEAH KRRKKKR, AH YEA WE LOVE IT | ||
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crate
United States2474 Posts
I should have stuck to my instincts and continued not watching any BW games without a Zerg. | ||
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whamm
67 Posts
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jambonkingcool
Canada186 Posts
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Zorkit
Canada66 Posts
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
last game i saw was a long time ago destination light vs sumone i believe | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
On May 11 2010 13:37 whamm wrote: difference is that sc1 was awesome when it first came out, but slowly over years become a masterpiece. sc2 started out a disappointment, ppl try too hard to make it awesome but they try to pattern it in a way on how sc1 had evolved, the game will die in a couple years tops. , i have both games and ive barely played 2 games of sc2. You played 2 games and concluded it was a disappointment? | ||
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eXNewB
Canada291 Posts
no one should doubt that BW is better than SCII, SCII is garbage compared to that legend. People will like SC2 for a bit and there will be tourneys and all of that for a bit, but then it's going to die cause it's just a rock paper scissors game, and theres no turn around micro.... | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:49 mity wrote: well, BW has only had 12 YEARS to have people develop its strategies. While SC2 has had 2 months. Dont forget the thousands of patches BW has had over the years. there are no balance patches after 1.04 (?) in 2001 so half of your argument is invalid as for the other half, when BW came out nobody knew what to do in an RTS game, now people know what they should look for, so 2 months are like 2 years for the time BW came out and you know what? in 2000/2001  BoxeR was already doing crazy stunts so yeah, ur argument is invalid![[image loading]](http://imgbit.com/images/8b039724071243028981.jpg) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
On May 10 2010 09:41 iloahz wrote: wow bw definitely has better graphics than sc2 in youtube/video forms. yea overall I'm kind of dissapointed with SC2's graphics. It just looks to "cartoonish" and the buildings/units seem to have too much unneccessary colors/designs which makes identifying units/buildings more difficult. Some of the buildings (cybernetics core comes to mind) look like they were designed by a five year old who gets all giddy over pretty bright colors and crazy designs.. I don't feel like it's the right type of graphics if SC2 is going to become a spectator e-sport. I mean it definately says something when a lot of top players play the game on "low" settings purely for gameplay reasons. I wish they had just kept the same style of graphics as SC1 but just improved them. I have no problem with good graphics and attention to detail, it's just I hate that cartoonish look and it is possible to "overdo" it .. | ||
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stk01001
United States786 Posts
On May 12 2010 03:20 Mothxal wrote: You played 2 games and concluded it was a disappointment? Yes I guess supposedly 2 games was enough for him to determine that the game is no good... seriously why do people who have barely even played the game think they are in a position to criticize or form an opinion on it? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On May 12 2010 03:48 Mortician wrote: there are no balance patches after 1.04 (?) in 2001 so half of your argument is invalid right year, wrong patch; it was 1.08 | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8021 Posts
On May 12 2010 04:39 LunarC wrote: It's over-mobility and hp/damage inflation as well as a limited high-ground mechanic that's killing Starcraft 2. Also, units tend to clump too easily, which is pretty annoying. I hate the fact that units move together, à la Warcraft 3. That just kills the game completely. I think SC2 will be very limited because the game is too smooth and "intelligent". | ||
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