EPTBlizzard to cease negotiations with KeSPA - Page 20
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United States606 Posts
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Clearout
Norway1060 Posts
On April 25 2010 12:22 kuresuti wrote: Haiti... Iceland... Now this? 2012? You sir win half my internetz for that | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On April 26 2010 17:33 nimoraca wrote: What is even more frightening is that it might be the case that pro gaming in Korea is dying and not just BW. Well, that's true. That's pretty much the reason why KeSPA have tried to push Sudden Attack and other games so hard in the last years. They are trying to find a replacement to BW, but they have had no luck so far. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On April 26 2010 00:38 J1.au wrote: But if there had been no KeSPA would Korean BW have continued this long? I doubt it. Here is an easy example and it is basically the same. If FIFA organization suddenly cease to exist would there still be football? Of course it would still be around and huge because there is a huge demand for it. Someone else will replace it. The organization is shit compare to the demand for something. | ||
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On April 26 2010 02:58 SoMuchBetter wrote: because kespa has always been about short sighted and short term returns, hence their near misses with almost killing their own industry and blatant abuse of the rights of the players its built on This right here. KESPA had the chance to offer English commentary and go global, but they never did. Them being short sighted is actually hurting and killing esports in the long run. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 26 2010 19:16 [X]Ken_D wrote: This right here. KESPA had the chance to offer English commentary and go global, but they never did. Them being short sighted is actually hurting and killing esports in the long run. How much money would really be in BW outside Korea? Sure, there is a hardcore fan-base for pro-BW, but it's probably not very large. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On April 25 2010 12:30 J1.au wrote: Blizzard and KeSPA are both greedy companies. However if Blizzard stops BW tournaments I will never buy another of their games again. EDIT: Also, stop hating on just KeSPA. Without them Korean BW would be nothing. They're the ones who bring stability to the scene and make it attractive to corporate sponsors. KeSPA are an awful company. They care only about the money and don't give a damn about whatever fans they have. They're just in this to make a quick buck while Brood War is still popular. Someone will easily replace KeSPA, perhaps even a better company which would be alot better for spreading the scene outside of Korea. Korea wouldn't have any foreign players mainly due to influences from Kespa, without KeSPA stopping things like that eSports could finally become a worldwide thing. | ||
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k!llua
Australia895 Posts
On April 26 2010 19:39 Qikz wrote: KeSPA are an awful company. They care only about the money and don't give a damn about whatever fans they have. They're just in this to make a quick buck while Brood War is still popular. Someone will easily replace KeSPA, perhaps even a better company which would be alot better for spreading the scene outside of Korea. Korea wouldn't have any foreign players mainly due to influences from Kespa, without KeSPA stopping things like that eSports could finally become a worldwide thing. Is that a KeSPA thing or just a cultural stigma? | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On April 25 2010 12:30 Qikz wrote: Korea wouldn't have any foreign players mainly due to influences from Kespa, without KeSPA stopping things like that eSports could finally become a worldwide thing. You are kidding right? How can Kespa prevent e-Sports from becoming global when they only control what is going on in Korea? There is nothing stopping the creation of e-Sports in EU/NA except the lack of interest from both investors and the general public and that is totally unrelated to Kespa. Sure, Kespa could have tried harder to make Korean BW viewable outside of Korea or provide English commentary or something, but that would be suicide financially. The number of people outside Korea interested in watching Korean BW is probably way too small to make that viable | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On April 26 2010 19:39 Qikz wrote: KeSPA are an awful company. They care only about the money and don't give a damn about whatever fans they have. They're just in this to make a quick buck while Brood War is still popular. I want you to list reasons why you have this view of Kespa. I for one do not understand the extreme hate they get here on TL. Sure they could handle certain things better, but some people make it sound like they're worse than the Nazis. | ||
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
On April 26 2010 12:14 mrdx wrote: @nonduc: Waxangel is one of the most knowledgeable of the Korean progaming scene here, so no offence to you but please carefully read his post again, or perhaps print it out and stick it on your wall - cos I don't think you get his points (which are FACTS that everyone needs to know before having an opinion on this KeSPA v Blizzard issue). Are you kidding?! In 2001–2003 KeSPA started on MBC both individual and team leagues! 2001 KPGA August—2001 KPGA November + KPGA Winners Championship 2002 KPGA 1st Tour 2002 Reebok KPGA 2nd Tour 2002 Pepsi Twist KPGA 3rd Tour 2002–2003 Baskin Robbins KPGA 4th Tour 2003 KeMongSa KPGA Tour Team League 2003 LifeZone KPGA Team League It was a huge support in forming the second largest StarCraft broadcasting channel. | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33390 Posts
On April 26 2010 11:30 nonduc wrote: I get your point — you cannot treat a long KPGA/KeSPA history properly and that’s why you use wrong data, terms, words, etc. E.g. you wrote “KeSPA after the chair passed to SKTelecom… the rights to broadcast their own product” — that passing was in 2008, the broadcasting rights incindent was in early 2007, the united under KeSPA Proleague started in 2005 (SKY Proleague 2005 Round 1). The history of KeSPA is more complicated than your description of it. Actually the position of chair passed to SKT in early 2005, just before the very first proleague (http://www.e-sports.or.kr/about/history.kea?m_Code=about_40&hYear=2005). I don't see how listing dates is disproving my points that KeSPA changed greatly in role, power and goals from its early beginnings  | ||
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nimoraca
Serbia84 Posts
This is not really a discussion on whether the KeSPA is evil and treating the players like shit (which is true). The point is that any other organizations/sponsors would think twice before investing the money in organizing the leagues under the conditions required by Blizzard. To me it seems that a game company should be happy if its game gets choosen by a progaming organization (be it KeSPA or not) to be played on the professional level. That is a huge commercial (free one). Imagine if WCG would need to pay Blizzard for SC2. If Blizzard was smart enough, they would pay WCG to introduce SC2 cause that would mean a huge publicity. Blizzard sold almost 5 million copies of SCBW in Korea. That something like 100mil in revenue for Blizz. To me it looks like Blizz should be paying KeSPA and not the other way around. | ||
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Oddysay
Canada597 Posts
Seven for the korean in their halls of stone, Nine for the foreigner and e-sport doomed to die, One for the blizzard Dark Lord on his dark throne In the Land of Mordor where blizzard lie. One Ring for e-sport to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring the e-sport in the darkness and bind them In the Land of dead where blizzard lie. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On April 26 2010 20:41 Holgerius wrote: I want you to list reasons why you have this view of Kespa. I for one do not understand the extreme hate they get here on TL. Sure they could handle certain things better, but some people make it sound like they're worse than the Nazis. I don't want to say that KeSPA has only done bad, because I have no clue, but I can list reasons why I personally dislike KeSPA: 1) Free Agent fiasco 2) Giving Leta and GoRush forfeit losses for typing ppp incorrectly. 3) Forcing GOM to stop broadcasting tournaments by withdrawing most teams from the tournament These are a few of the reasons why I don't think KeSPA is a good organization to represent eSports. Realistically, it's hard to tell how Blizzard would run things because we've never really seen Blizzard directly host an eSports tournament (last thing I remember was Blizzard sponsoring GOM), but I do know that KeSPA often does not have the players' best interests in mind, as indicated from the ridiculously strict, unfair policies regarding Free Agents (forcing the buying team to pay double the salary of the selling team for a player, and a player possibly losing their ability to play if they even sign up for Free Agency). In my humble opinion, I think that Blizzard will end up working with GOM for future Korean eSports endeavors. Considering the company has worked with GOM in the past, and considering Blizzard DID TRY to negotiate with KeSPA (fair or not), I think Blizzard does want the help of Korean companies in promoting and hosting eSports in Korea. | ||
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Vedic
United States582 Posts
On April 26 2010 20:56 nimoraca wrote: Comments of type "KeSPA only cares about money..." are really funny. If Blizzard were really caring for us (the players), they would put LAN support in SC2, which they didn't, which just proves they only care about the money too. There was even an online petition regarding the LAN issue. This is incredibly ignorant. Blizzard's move for a central server system is to protect it's investment (and, by proxy, YOUR investment), which also keeps the players/community unified. There was a petition to stop Doom 3 from being released for being satanic, too. Petitions mean NOTHING. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On April 26 2010 19:16 [X]Ken_D wrote: KESPA had the chance to offer English commentary and go global, but they never did. Them being short sighted is actually hurting and killing esports in the long run. You know they (OGN/MBC) can't actually do this because they don't have the rights to broadcast internationally (GOM had a different deal)? You know this is Blizzard's fault and not KeSPA's? I'm sure they would absolutely love to take their BW scene global but Blizzard is too restrictive so they are stuck with keeping it in Korea where they only have to deal with their own laws. | ||
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ket-
97 Posts
But from what I've read about KeSPA over the years, they kinda seem to really want the whole cake - in this situation I'm fairly sure they don't even care that much and just think they're big enough to take the hit or have a trick up their sleeve. Then again, I'm fairly clueless on the subject and just throwing out assumptions here. | ||
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vek
Australia936 Posts
On April 26 2010 21:22 Vedic wrote: This is incredibly ignorant. Blizzard's move for a central server system is to protect it's investment (and, by proxy, YOUR investment), which also keeps the players/community unified.. I hope by central you mean split up... forcing separate regions keeps the comunity unified? That just doesn't make sense... I haven't seen anything that baddle.net 2.0 does that backs up your argument. I have owned about 3 copies of SC/BW throughout the years but I would still rather play on iCCup or LAN with friends than battle.net. I doubt there are many people on iCCup that have not bought legitimate copies of the game. | ||
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