Mondragon and NaDa

On February 23 2010 05:31 Foreplay wrote:
No. Nada is the 'Mondragon' of the korean scene.

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 05:44 krndandaman wrote:
They are similar indeed, but I think Nada's dominance far outweighs Mondragon's 'dominance' in the foreign scene. Nada has won so many starleagues that it's ridiculous. He has also been in the top few ranks of Kespa rankings for a LOOOOONG time.
Mondragon has certainly been a top ranked foreigner for a while, but I haven't seen dominance in mondragon as I have seen in Nada.

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 05:51 Bifur wrote:


Jaedong has almost caught up NaDa: he has 3 OSLs and 2 MSLs in his pocket. One more victory and NaDa will be overshadowed.

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:

No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 05:51 Bifur wrote:


Jaedong has almost caught up NaDa: he has 3 OSLs and 2 MSLs in his pocket. One more victory and NaDa will be overshadowed.

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 06:00 arb wrote:

Nada did it first, can jaedong do that? no.

thats one thing jaedong will never have

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 06:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
actually u might be right..

but again its because there are so many amazing pros in korea and NaDa is such an oldschooler an since he retired and faded away so many new amazing players rose up..

foreigners.. its just a few who did amazing for a certain time and then there are players like Mondi who did amazing basicaly for ever and never really went of the radar..

On February 23 2010 05:56 Mortality wrote:
Mondragon is a great player, but no.

Just no.

On February 23 2010 06:00 arb wrote:

Nada did it first, can jaedong do that? no.

thats one thing jaedong will never have

On February 23 2010 05:50 Ryoo wrote:

WTF? LOL.

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 05:31 Foreplay wrote:
No. Nada is the 'Mondragon' of the korean scene.

On February 23 2010 08:14 Emon_ wrote:
Sounds good (: Though we can add a couple

Mondragon is
- The Reach of the foreigner scene
- The White-ra west of Berlin.
- The Koll of 2001

On February 23 2010 07:20 Manit0u wrote:


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On February 23 2010 06:01 MYM.Testie wrote:
I think doing it first has no importance. ;p

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 08:14 Emon_ wrote:
Sounds good (: Though we can add a couple

Mondragon is
- The Reach of the foreigner scene
- The White-ra west of Berlin.
- The Koll of 2001

On February 23 2010 09:31 Djin)ftw( wrote:
So, that are a lot of accomplishments. But you cant compare that to NaDa who has won the biggest tournament in the WORLD 3 times (the OSL obv), getting the Golden mouse in the process, the KPGA tour 3 times and placed second in 2 MSLs and one OSL.

that is teh shit. being in the kespa top 30 for 6 years or what, hello???
€: i mean even if mondi was top 30 on the gosugamers power rank for 6 consecutive years, so what. Comparing him with NaDa is like saying Michael Ballack is the german Zinedine Zidane. they are both good but there is a difference!

On February 23 2010 08:56 Prof. Protoss wrote:


- The IdrA in the TSL2 finals
- The foreign GGPlay in the OSL finals vs Iris

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 09:31 Djin)ftw( wrote:
mondragon maybe even played before NaDa did, here it says he started to play in '98. I only remember him winning some 64 player tournament in '00/'01 against AoT)robkill( (who later went to [pG]) In these early days he was good, but there were a lot of other skilled german players. I dont really remember all of them, Kosh, Korn, kalas(c?)hni, fisheye, mmmbop...... fisheye f.e. qualified for the WCG 2001, 2002, 2003 but Mondragon did not.If you look at his overall WCG performance, he was not better than FisheYe (second 2003),

On February 23 2010 17:48 Maenander wrote:


Just some comments:
Mondragon never competed in WCG before 2004, he outright refused to show up for the german finals. But yeah, FisheYe was clearly the best german player until sometime 2003 or so.

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 18:21 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:


I would like to add some info to this. I started playing in 2000 and know him from back then, so it feels appropriate

Actually before 2004 the German scene was very very active and mostly kept to themselves. It was a very fun time. There were several ICCUP like German only servers back then (FSGS server, DEF team server and others). It was a very fun time indeed. It was only with WGT that the scenes started mingling much more! That's when ToT recruited Ovvi and WiLLet (I think those were the first international recruits), and later Ret, Testie, Sen, etc. I think Mondragon has actually been around for much longer then Sen, so I don't get why people always mention them both in the same sentence in terms of old-school-ness.

He was actually unbelievably young back then! I think he was like 12 or 13 when I first met him. That's maybe also why he didn't compete in the first WCGs... But he was already recognized as a very talented player. We used to have these IRL clan meetings (something like 80 people LANs) which he always won although he was only 12 years old He used to be [PL]Mondragon back at the start and was the student of the great [PL]Kalaschni (one of Germany most famous Zergs). He didn't compete in too many tournaments, but he was definitely one of the top 10 players in Germany relatively early. Of course he was overshadowed by the Marquis, DEF, Oger and FA people at the time (Kosh, Korn, Fisheye, Kalaschni, Adu and others). But he surpassed them and used to be the only guy who could compete with Fisheye from 2002/2003 onwards.

I would also like to mention that he has a phenomenal record in both clanwars and nation wars. In 2004-2008 times he won like 80% of his games 2-0. He was _by_far_ the most consistant player in both ToT and team Germany.

Sometimes I feel like people have a different understanding of the word oldschool now. They seem to have forgotton the 1999-2002 years, because people now haven't been around back then

Edit:
Here is his GER-Team record:
http://starcraft2.ingame.de/gerteam/old/statsdetails.php?sid=1&name=Ger-Mondragon

On February 23 2010 18:21 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote:


I would like to add some info to this. I started playing in 2000 and know him from back then, so it feels appropriate

Actually before 2004 the German scene was very very active and mostly kept to themselves. It was a very fun time. There were several ICCUP like German only servers back then (FSGS server, DEF team server and others). It was a very fun time indeed. It was only with WGT that the scenes started mingling much more! That's when ToT recruited Ovvi and WiLLet (I think those were the first international recruits), and later Ret, Testie, Sen, etc. I think Mondragon has actually been around for much longer then Sen, so I don't get why people always mention them both in the same sentence in terms of old-school-ness.

He was actually unbelievably young back then! I think he was like 12 or 13 when I first met him. That's maybe also why he didn't compete in the first WCGs... But he was already recognized as a very talented player. We used to have these IRL clan meetings (something like 80 people LANs) which he always won although he was only 12 years old He used to be [PL]Mondragon back at the start and was the student of the great [PL]Kalaschni (one of Germany most famous Zergs). He didn't compete in too many tournaments, but he was definitely one of the top 10 players in Germany relatively early. Of course he was overshadowed by the Marquis, DEF, Oger and FA people at the time (Kosh, Korn, Fisheye, Kalaschni, Adu and others). But he surpassed them and used to be the only guy who could compete with Fisheye from 2002/2003 onwards.

I would also like to mention that he has a phenomenal record in both clanwars and nation wars. In 2004-2008 times he won like 80% of his games 2-0. He was _by_far_ the most consistant player in both ToT and team Germany.

Sometimes I feel like people have a different understanding of the word oldschool now. They seem to have forgotton the 1999-2002 years, because people now haven't been around back then

Edit:
Here is his GER-Team record:
http://starcraft2.ingame.de/gerteam/old/statsdetails.php?sid=1&name=Ger-Mondragon

On February 23 2010 05:50 Ryoo wrote:

WTF? LOL.

On February 23 2010 21:25 RamenStyle wrote:
Not even close.

Maybe the european oov, but even that is a stretch.

On February 23 2010 07:12 bEsT[Alive] wrote:
Why would you give him a nickname after another fucking player? Let alone Terran. Plus, NaDa isn't even consistent. He has spells.

This has stupidity written all over it.

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote:


No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene

On February 23 2010 07:00 Piste wrote:
I think the options for voting are bad. Mondragon is Mondragon. Nada is not as consistent.