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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
So, I would give him a title ' 'NaDa' of the foreign scene'. Poll: Do you agree that Mondragon is ' 'NaDa' of the foreign scene''? (Vote): Yes, certainly (Vote): No, he doesn't deserve the title (Vote): He should be called ' 'JulyZerg' of the foreign scene' instead | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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Ethelis
United States2397 Posts
 NaDa has no equal nor a "parallel foreigner" | ||
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KingKRule
United States84 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:31 Foreplay wrote: No. Nada is the 'Mondragon' of the korean scene. No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene My mind is blown... I think.. | ||
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The6357
United States1268 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene wha? | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene that doesn't make any sense | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
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Achromic
773 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene WTF? LOL. | ||
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Bifur
Russian Federation1208 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:44 krndandaman wrote: They are similar indeed, but I think Nada's dominance far outweighs Mondragon's 'dominance' in the foreign scene. Nada has won so many starleagues that it's ridiculous. He has also been in the top few ranks of Kespa rankings for a LOOOOONG time. Mondragon has certainly been a top ranked foreigner for a while, but I haven't seen dominance in mondragon as I have seen in Nada. Jaedong has almost caught up NaDa: he has 3 OSLs and 2 MSLs in his pocket. One more victory and NaDa will be overshadowed. | ||
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fAnTaCy
United States893 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene I see what you did there | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:51 Bifur wrote: Jaedong has almost caught up NaDa: he has 3 OSLs and 2 MSLs in his pocket. One more victory and NaDa will be overshadowed. Nada will never be overshadowed. | ||
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Lysteria
France2280 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene What. | ||
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
Just no. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:51 Bifur wrote: Jaedong has almost caught up NaDa: he has 3 OSLs and 2 MSLs in his pocket. One more victory and NaDa will be overshadowed. Nada did it first, can jaedong do that? no. thats one thing jaedong will never have | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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SoL[9]
Portugal1370 Posts
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Wings
United States999 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene I thought my dragon was not a korean scene? | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
I highly doubt anyone will ever be as successful as NaDa .. Actually I dont know what a person has to do to be more successful than him.. Would winning 1 more osl or 1 more msl than NaDa mean he is more accomplished ? Maybe .. Mondi isnt the NaDa of the foreign scene There is no single player you can compare to NaDa from the foreigner scene.. Because 1) No one dominated as much and put up such consistent results.. Reason being: There were never as many tournaments and as many money on the line as in korea.. Dont compare em.. u kinda really cant.. | ||
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
On February 23 2010 06:00 arb wrote: Nada did it first, can jaedong do that? no. thats one thing jaedong will never have He can be the first to beat it. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8077 Posts
Gotta get flamed hard for this. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
but again its because there are so many amazing pros in korea and NaDa is such an oldschooler an since he retired and faded away so many new amazing players rose up.. foreigners.. its just a few who did amazing for a certain time and then there are players like Mondi who did amazing basicaly for ever and never really went of the radar.. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Mmm about Nada i guess he is already in the top 5 all time Koreans  | ||
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uNiGNoRe
Germany1115 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene No, scene is the NaDa of the Korea Mondragon. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11596 Posts
On February 23 2010 06:29 MaGic~PhiL wrote: actually u might be right.. but again its because there are so many amazing pros in korea and NaDa is such an oldschooler an since he retired and faded away so many new amazing players rose up.. foreigners.. its just a few who did amazing for a certain time and then there are players like Mondi who did amazing basicaly for ever and never really went of the radar.. Nada retired? wtf? | ||
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radiumz0rz
United States253 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:56 Mortality wrote: Mondragon is a great player, but no. Just no. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On February 23 2010 06:00 arb wrote: Nada did it first, can jaedong do that? no. thats one thing jaedong will never have he could become the first to get 7 individual titles though. I agree that Jaedong wont become the successful player with his 6th title yet though. Nada was strong for a longer period of time, also Jaedong was never a bonjwa. But I think there's still enough time for Jaedong before bw dies. | ||
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Piste
6183 Posts
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ErOs_HalO
United States167 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2751 Posts
So if anything, it should be the other way around. | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
This has stupidity written all over it. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
He was like 14 back then, clearly being the "Koll" of these days. Many people in the german starcraft scene wondered how someone that young could be that good  | ||
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PhOeniX[MinD]
361 Posts
mondragon is good but NaDa is a real genius | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17743 Posts
I see that many new people on TL.net have never heard of "life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" and stuff like that | ||
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TheBB
Switzerland5133 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene Just to quote it one more time. Also, LOL. Mondragon <3. | ||
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BalliSLife
1339 Posts
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G3nXsiS
United States656 Posts
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene That makes perfect sense, you really just have to think about it, will explain upon request. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9109 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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nK)Duke
Germany936 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:31 Foreplay wrote: No. Nada is the 'Mondragon' of the korean scene. I either have accidentally smoked some weed or this very funny | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Ao_Jun
Denmark396 Posts
i just glanced over nadas achievements :D I knew he was dominant but.. lol. + Show Spoiler + Place ↓ Year ↓ Event/League ↓ 1st 2009 IeSF Star Invitational 2nd 2009 e-Stars Heritage League 2nd 2008 Blizzcon Tournament 1st 2007 ShinHan Bank StarLeague Masters 2nd 2007 ShinHan Bank OSL Season 3 2nd 2006 Third SuperFight 1st 2006 ShinHan Bank OSL Season 2 2nd 2006 Second SuperFight 1st 2006 IEF Korea China National Match 1st 2006 Elite MSL AllStar League Seoul Tour 3rd 2005 Blizzcon Tournament 2nd 2005 CKCG Korea China Cyber Game Tournament 2nd 2005 Sneakers AllStar Match 2nd 2005 MBCgame Team League 1st 2004-05 IOPS OSL 2nd 2004 YATGK MSL 2nd 2004 SKY ProLeague Grand Final 1st 2004 SKY ProLeague Season Total 3rd 2004 KT-KTF Premiere League 1st 2004 SKY ProLeague Second Round 3rd 2004 Ongamenet SKY ProLeague First Round 2nd 2004 HanaFOS CEN Game MSL 2nd 2004 Ongamenet Neowiz Pimang ProLeague 1st 2004 KT-KTF Premiere League Championship 1st 2004 KTF Bigi Premiere League (Perfect winning) 3rd 2003 TG Sambo 2003 MSL 2nd 2003 STOUT MSL 1st 2003 Hot Break Ongamenet Masters 1st 2003 First GhemTV StarLeague 2nd 2003 GhemTV FindAll Challenger Open Starleague 1st 2002-2003 Panasonic OSL 2nd 2002 KTF Bigi 4 kings Battle 2nd 1st 2002 Baskin Robbins KPGA Tour 4th League 1st 2002 Pepsi Twist KPGA Tour 3rd League 1st 2002 Reebok KPGA Tour 2nd League 3rd 2002 First GhemTV StarLeague 1st 2001 The Second World Teenager Culture Festival Starcraft Tournament 1st 2001 iTV Hangame Survivor Pro League 1st 1st 2001 KT Megapass Survivor Pro League 1st Oh, and yea i kinda agree with the OP. | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
Mondragon is - The Reach of the foreigner scene - The White-ra west of Berlin. - The Koll of 2001 | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8077 Posts
On February 23 2010 08:14 Emon_ wrote: Sounds good (: Though we can add a couple Mondragon is - The Reach of the foreigner scene - The White-ra west of Berlin. - The Koll of 2001 It's getting nasty. Is there still anything comparable to sanity in this thread? | ||
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betaben
681 Posts
On February 23 2010 07:20 Manit0u wrote: I see that many new people on TL.net have never heard of "life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery" and stuff like that No. Nada is the lively life of mondragon of the korea full life thx to the shield battery. | ||
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
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Hasse
Sweden579 Posts
On February 23 2010 06:01 MYM.Testie wrote: I think doing it first has no importance. ;p Go ahead and tell that to the guy who's doing your girlfriend ;P | ||
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airtown
United States410 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene ![[image loading]](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e37/Krunchmastaflex1/successful-troll-is-successful.jpg) | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Prof. Protoss
Germany744 Posts
On February 23 2010 08:14 Emon_ wrote: Sounds good (: Though we can add a couple Mondragon is - The Reach of the foreigner scene - The White-ra west of Berlin. - The Koll of 2001 - The IdrA in the TSL2 finals - The foreign GGPlay in the OSL finals vs Iris | ||
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PrideNeverDies
Kazakhstan74 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
mondragon maybe even played before NaDa did, here it says he started to play in '98. I only remember him winning some 64 player tournament in '00/'01 against AoT)robkill( (who later went to [pG]) In these early days he was good, but there were a lot of other skilled german players. I dont really remember all of them, Kosh, Korn, kalas(c?)hni, fisheye, mmmbop...... fisheye f.e. qualified for the WCG 2001, 2002, 2003 but Mondragon did not.If you look at his overall WCG performance, he was not better than FisheYe (second 2003), Testie, Draco (both taking a game off of a pro gamer: link) blackman, Elky..... He placed third in 2007 and beat savior yes but as i said, it's nothing special. If you look at his gosugamers.net profile you can see that he won a lot of toruneys with huge price money: - SEC 2005 against Advocate i think (cant find results sry) for 5000€ - both GIGA.de grandslams (2k each afair, but these were national tourneys) - GGL America Cup. He placed second at the TANL3 (losing 2-5 to draco.. xD) He was knocked out in the first TSL by dreiven in the RO16 but was #1 on the ladder (hello Wuthering Heights lolol) In the ESL Major Series he was knocked by Idra both times, in Season IV and Season V. He is a really good 2on2 player, finishing #1 2v2 on WGTour 2 times: in season 3 with Lazer (he was also #3 1v1), in season 7with testie. Apparently in season 9 he was #1 1v1, but I don't know that for sure. And now he is in the finals of the biggest foreigner tournament so far, winning $5k at least (sure he had quite an easy bracket but still) So, that are a lot of accomplishments. But you cant compare that to NaDa who has won the biggest tournament in the WORLD 3 times (the OSL obv), getting the Golden mouse in the process, the KPGA tour 3 times and placed second in 2 MSLs and one OSL. that is teh shit. being in the kespa top 30 for 6 years or what, hello??? €: i mean even if mondi was top 30 on the gosugamers power rank for 6 consecutive years, so what. Comparing him with NaDa is like saying Michael Ballack is the german Zinedine Zidane. they are both good but there is a difference! | ||
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Gaspadin
Russian Federation132 Posts
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kroko
Finland2136 Posts
Top players at foreigner scene has chanced alot during years, but Mondi has always been one of them. I remember times when all foreigner events were won by Mondi,Testie or Sen... After that Mondi or Draco. | ||
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Ret.
Brazil33 Posts
there's no point in comparing foreign scene to korea's progamers .... | ||
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BalloonFight
United States2007 Posts
On February 23 2010 09:31 Djin)ftw( wrote: So, that are a lot of accomplishments. But you cant compare that to NaDa who has won the biggest tournament in the WORLD 3 times (the OSL obv), getting the Golden mouse in the process, the KPGA tour 3 times and placed second in 2 MSLs and one OSL. that is teh shit. being in the kespa top 30 for 6 years or what, hello??? €: i mean even if mondi was top 30 on the gosugamers power rank for 6 consecutive years, so what. Comparing him with NaDa is like saying Michael Ballack is the german Zinedine Zidane. they are both good but there is a difference! i think that people in this thread getting all offended (not necessarily this quote) or using logic like in this quote are missing the idea of what an analogy is. Obviously nobody in the foreign scene has accomplishments that can compare to winning 3 OSL directly. That's why it's an analogy. | ||
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
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Not_Computer
Canada2277 Posts
On February 23 2010 08:56 Prof. Protoss wrote: - The IdrA in the TSL2 finals - The foreign GGPlay in the OSL finals vs Iris No. Mondragon is the Mondragon of the Mondragon scene. | ||
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mIsUZu
New Zealand528 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
but i can see why not as well. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene This is possibly my most favourite comment ever made | ||
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Katsuge
Singapore7730 Posts
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nozaro33
Taiwan1819 Posts
The greatest and most achieved Starcraft player ever | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
Then again based on credentials or just, what each of them mean to their respective scenes? | ||
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Gaspadin
Russian Federation132 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.image-load.net/pic.php?type=jpg&f=b2c8624dc27ea84b5b1f2fdc367ddd2c) | ||
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
On February 23 2010 13:22 Gaspadin wrote: ROFLOLLOLOL Oh my god, new meme. | ||
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shurgen
350 Posts
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GuYuTe-
United States550 Posts
So yeah, I can see the similarities. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On February 23 2010 09:31 Djin)ftw( wrote: mondragon maybe even played before NaDa did, here it says he started to play in '98. I only remember him winning some 64 player tournament in '00/'01 against AoT)robkill( (who later went to [pG]) In these early days he was good, but there were a lot of other skilled german players. I dont really remember all of them, Kosh, Korn, kalas(c?)hni, fisheye, mmmbop...... fisheye f.e. qualified for the WCG 2001, 2002, 2003 but Mondragon did not.If you look at his overall WCG performance, he was not better than FisheYe (second 2003), Just some comments: Mondragon never competed in WCG before 2004, he outright refused to show up for the german finals. But yeah, FisheYe was clearly the best german player until sometime 2003 or so. | ||
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11563 Posts
 Both are amazing old school players, but I'd say their play styles are a bit different! | ||
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ToT)SiLeNcE(
Germany590 Posts
On February 23 2010 17:48 Maenander wrote: Just some comments: Mondragon never competed in WCG before 2004, he outright refused to show up for the german finals. But yeah, FisheYe was clearly the best german player until sometime 2003 or so. I would like to add some info to this. I started playing in 2000 and know him from back then, so it feels appropriate Actually before 2004 the German scene was very very active and mostly kept to themselves. It was a very fun time. There were several ICCUP like German only servers back then (FSGS server, DEF team server and others). It was a very fun time indeed. It was only with WGT that the scenes started mingling much more! That's when ToT recruited Ovvi and WiLLet (I think those were the first international recruits), and later Ret, Testie, Sen, etc. I think Mondragon has actually been around for much longer then Sen, so I don't get why people always mention them both in the same sentence in terms of old-school-ness. He was actually unbelievably young back then! I think he was like 12 or 13 when I first met him. That's maybe also why he didn't compete in the first WCGs... But he was already recognized as a very talented player. We used to have these IRL clan meetings (something like 80 people LANs) which he always won although he was only 12 years old He used to be [PL]Mondragon back at the start and was the student of the great [PL]Kalaschni (one of Germany most famous Zergs). He didn't compete in too many tournaments, but he was definitely one of the top 10 players in Germany relatively early. Of course he was overshadowed by the Marquis, DEF, Oger and FA people at the time (Kosh, Korn, Fisheye, Kalaschni, Adu and others). But he surpassed them and used to be the only guy who could compete with Fisheye from 2002/2003 onwards.I would also like to mention that he has a phenomenal record in both clanwars and nation wars. In 2004-2008 times he won like 80% of his games 2-0. He was _by_far_ the most consistant player in both ToT and team Germany. Sometimes I feel like people have a different understanding of the word oldschool now. They seem to have forgotton the 1999-2002 years, because people now haven't been around back then Edit: Here is his GER-Team record: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/gerteam/old/statsdetails.php?sid=1&name=Ger-Mondragon | ||
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NiGoL
1868 Posts
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene ROFL....wat? | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
On February 23 2010 18:21 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: I would like to add some info to this. I started playing in 2000 and know him from back then, so it feels appropriate Actually before 2004 the German scene was very very active and mostly kept to themselves. It was a very fun time. There were several ICCUP like German only servers back then (FSGS server, DEF team server and others). It was a very fun time indeed. It was only with WGT that the scenes started mingling much more! That's when ToT recruited Ovvi and WiLLet (I think those were the first international recruits), and later Ret, Testie, Sen, etc. I think Mondragon has actually been around for much longer then Sen, so I don't get why people always mention them both in the same sentence in terms of old-school-ness. He was actually unbelievably young back then! I think he was like 12 or 13 when I first met him. That's maybe also why he didn't compete in the first WCGs... But he was already recognized as a very talented player. We used to have these IRL clan meetings (something like 80 people LANs) which he always won although he was only 12 years old He used to be [PL]Mondragon back at the start and was the student of the great [PL]Kalaschni (one of Germany most famous Zergs). He didn't compete in too many tournaments, but he was definitely one of the top 10 players in Germany relatively early. Of course he was overshadowed by the Marquis, DEF, Oger and FA people at the time (Kosh, Korn, Fisheye, Kalaschni, Adu and others). But he surpassed them and used to be the only guy who could compete with Fisheye from 2002/2003 onwards.I would also like to mention that he has a phenomenal record in both clanwars and nation wars. In 2004-2008 times he won like 80% of his games 2-0. He was _by_far_ the most consistant player in both ToT and team Germany. Sometimes I feel like people have a different understanding of the word oldschool now. They seem to have forgotton the 1999-2002 years, because people now haven't been around back then Edit: Here is his GER-Team record: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/gerteam/old/statsdetails.php?sid=1&name=Ger-Mondragon I was just having this convo with chill how sen isnt as oldschool as people are making it seem edit- comparing mondi to nada is saying mondi is the greatest foreigner of all time . To still be able to compete even out of your prime. I guess he could be compared to him | ||
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Malinor
Germany4739 Posts
On February 23 2010 18:21 ToT)SiLeNcE( wrote: I would like to add some info to this. I started playing in 2000 and know him from back then, so it feels appropriate Actually before 2004 the German scene was very very active and mostly kept to themselves. It was a very fun time. There were several ICCUP like German only servers back then (FSGS server, DEF team server and others). It was a very fun time indeed. It was only with WGT that the scenes started mingling much more! That's when ToT recruited Ovvi and WiLLet (I think those were the first international recruits), and later Ret, Testie, Sen, etc. I think Mondragon has actually been around for much longer then Sen, so I don't get why people always mention them both in the same sentence in terms of old-school-ness. He was actually unbelievably young back then! I think he was like 12 or 13 when I first met him. That's maybe also why he didn't compete in the first WCGs... But he was already recognized as a very talented player. We used to have these IRL clan meetings (something like 80 people LANs) which he always won although he was only 12 years old He used to be [PL]Mondragon back at the start and was the student of the great [PL]Kalaschni (one of Germany most famous Zergs). He didn't compete in too many tournaments, but he was definitely one of the top 10 players in Germany relatively early. Of course he was overshadowed by the Marquis, DEF, Oger and FA people at the time (Kosh, Korn, Fisheye, Kalaschni, Adu and others). But he surpassed them and used to be the only guy who could compete with Fisheye from 2002/2003 onwards.I would also like to mention that he has a phenomenal record in both clanwars and nation wars. In 2004-2008 times he won like 80% of his games 2-0. He was _by_far_ the most consistant player in both ToT and team Germany. Sometimes I feel like people have a different understanding of the word oldschool now. They seem to have forgotton the 1999-2002 years, because people now haven't been around back then Edit: Here is his GER-Team record: http://starcraft2.ingame.de/gerteam/old/statsdetails.php?sid=1&name=Ger-Mondragon Wow, this post brings back some memories. I actually stopped playing during 2000 (played from late 2008) and Mondragon was already a known player in the scene back then. I never believed it when people said he was like 13. He wasn't the best player at the time, Fisheye was starting tearing things up, Kosh was really good, and Iron beat Grrrr... at a live event in munich (Pretty sure it was called PGL Germany), although it was just a showmatch. But yeah, Mondragon is really really oldschool. | ||
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ozdoba20
Poland47 Posts
cool match | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
Maybe the european oov, but even that is a stretch. | ||
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QuoC
United States724 Posts
lol this made me rofl. good humor :D mondragon and nada respectively had played their part in their own culture (meaning nada-->korean scene and mondi-->foreign), so comparatively yes, he is almost like nada in the korean scene. plus he's zerg :D fuckin awesome | ||
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Puosu
7015 Posts
On February 23 2010 21:25 RamenStyle wrote: Not even close. Maybe the european oov, but even that is a stretch. I think you're missing the point, people are comparing Mondi to Nada because he has been always there since the dawn of time a force to be afraid of, the consistent player. Iloveoov could hardly be considered consistrnt.. | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
On February 23 2010 07:12 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Why would you give him a nickname after another fucking player? Let alone Terran. Plus, NaDa isn't even consistent. He has spells. This has stupidity written all over it. Ironic. Nada is the most consistent progamer of all time. Go check out how long he's been in the top 30 of pro starcraft; I think the record is longer than almost any other player's entire career. Not to mention he's the only real OLD progamer still playing competitively. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene rofl | ||
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Altair
243 Posts
On February 23 2010 05:34 KingKRule wrote: No, Korea is the Mondragon of the NaDa scene lol wut? If he wins the TSL then yea he can get the title of "Nada" . Trivia: "Nada" means "nothing" in Spanish. HAHAHA | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
On February 23 2010 07:00 Piste wrote: I think the options for voting are bad. Mondragon is Mondragon. Nada is not as consistent. wtf? do you even know who the hell NaDa is? he was like top 10 kespa for about 7 years or so... how the fuck is that not consistent? | ||
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