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Wow, this is amazing.
You mentioned that Cuba has been running these Leagues since 2007, but the players have only gone pro in the past two months - what does this mean exactly? That the participating teams/players only managed to find sponsors within the last two months? I'm really eager to know more about it all compares with how the Koreans run their teams.
Also about RedBull - are they sponsoring the currently running League, or the next coming one? If it's the next League, what company is sponsoring the current one? Or if it's the inverse and RedBull is sponsoring the current one, who sponsored the previous one?
It's so shocking that these Leagues have been running for a good two years and we've never heard anything about them until just now. I really hope StarCraft continues to grow in Cuba. I hope you guys get your shot at entering WCG. It never even occurred to me until now that Cuba had never participated.
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there were posts about this back in 07 I remember on TL. Glad to see you guys doing so well!
edit: I may have been thinking of a different HSL though haha I just searched to double check and it looks like something totally different than what I thought I was thinking of. ;X
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reminds me of the baseball scene in cuba ;o
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Many seems surprised like in Latinamerica there´s no chance to have a SC:BW scene in good conditions???
I feel envy when I see places like Chile, Argentina, even Peru, with poorer internet infraestructures in comparision with my beloved Spain, but they have stronger and more established competitions and players :_(
Anyway, its sooooo good to see places like Cuba having these events
VIVA CUBA CARAJO!!1
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But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-...
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cuban league? is there any players from there? do they play iccup? haha this is just weird.
I dont think many people knew about this at all.
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On February 13 2010 16:23 Puosu wrote:
Very impressive, if you're able to continue the evolution at the same pace it wont take long until you can compete with the professionality of Korea, Red Bull is a very nice sponsor. :o
Also I am confused why pubbanana thinks this is that good of an environment, wasn't Korea perfect because of the wide spread internet connection etc. it seems like Cuba has nothing like that? Not that I doubt anything you have to say.
And hey I agree with booths being better just for the aesthetical value, it upgrades the feeling of professionality so much when the players aren't sitting in another room or in the same room without booths. And I feel people are not going to get bored as easily and you might get new fans just because they enjoy watching those god damn handsome nerds.
Any word on how much does the average Cuban league player practice? Is it on the same level as Korea or do they also have job/school they have to share time with?
I have no idea of why pubbanana said that. Our enviroment is the worst for starcraft. We dont even have a b.net for ourselves. We play using INCOMING CONNECTIONS and then trough UDP, its less laggy than using the modem option. Altough we dont really care y know? just 2 guys playing starcraft is more than enough.
And this is the most impresive thing, some players dont even train 4 times a week for a long period of time, just a couple of games maybe and watching reps, after the final, im manage to get my team some practice schedules, but my career sometimes makes it difficult to put pressure on the other players, so, right now oficcialy its only 2 hours per day, playing or watching reps, and 4 on weekends.
I also agree with the booths, so......we stick with them......the most important HSL in cuba is the one that takes place in summer, its like all are MSLs and the one in summer is OSL LOL, cause there are mora participants and more people are willing to help with the event.
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On February 13 2010 16:58 pR0gR4m3R wrote:
Many seems surprised like in Latinamerica there´s no chance to have a SC:BW scene in good conditions???
I feel envy when I see places like Chile, Argentina, even Peru, with poorer internet infraestructures in comparision with my beloved Spain, but they have stronger and more established competitions and players :_(
Anyway, its sooooo good to see places like Cuba having these events
VIVA CUBA CARAJO!!1
Actually, puting that way, its quite obvious that a country like Cuba with poor internet conections plays BW, 56k conections arent very helpfull when playing Call of duty. And only very few players have any type of conections, just a modem and a phone line, thats it, HSL was formed.
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On February 13 2010 17:11 Shauni wrote:
But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-...
Wow, actually the TSL showed that no only a selecto few but the entire foreign elite can get past b+. Also, i thought that was the only way to get real good, i didnt know that cheesy play is what actually gets you very high ranking..........hmmm i think i might surprise some players here.
The problem with our play style is that we are VERY VERY bm among ourselves, and some think the only clean way to win someone is to destroy him in a macro oriented play. The 3rd place competitors actually have one of the most intense rivalries in the scene, and are the most BM. But the diference betwen other scenes and ours, is that the audience LOVES Bad Manners.
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nice nice... maybe someday u will be pro , like koreans! GG
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On February 14 2010 02:28 oo_xerox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 17:11 Shauni wrote:
But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-... Wow, actually the TSL showed that no only a selecto few but the entire foreign elite can get past b+. Also, i thought that was the only way to get real good, i didnt know that cheesy play is what actually gets you very high ranking..........hmmm i think i might surprise some players here. The problem with our play style is that we are VERY VERY bm among ourselves, and some think the only clean way to win someone is to destroy him in a macro oriented play. The 3rd place competitors actually have one of the most intense rivalries in the scene, and are the most BM. But the diference betwen other scenes and ours, is that the audience LOVES Bad Manners.
haha, that's awesome
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On February 13 2010 16:12 ArvickHero wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 13:42 pubbanana wrote:The culture in Cuba is just perfect for SC progaming. I'm not really shocked by any of this.  explain??
Well think about what made starcraft so popular in korea. It was cheap, didn't require fancy hardware and it was fun in a time of recession. Because, and no offence is meant here, Cuba's average income is not as high as other countries, seeing starcraft as a fun, cheap source of entertainment is not TOO much of a surprise. But I am still shocked.
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On February 14 2010 02:23 oo_xerox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 16:23 Puosu wrote:
Very impressive, if you're able to continue the evolution at the same pace it wont take long until you can compete with the professionality of Korea, Red Bull is a very nice sponsor. :o
Also I am confused why pubbanana thinks this is that good of an environment, wasn't Korea perfect because of the wide spread internet connection etc. it seems like Cuba has nothing like that? Not that I doubt anything you have to say.
And hey I agree with booths being better just for the aesthetical value, it upgrades the feeling of professionality so much when the players aren't sitting in another room or in the same room without booths. And I feel people are not going to get bored as easily and you might get new fans just because they enjoy watching those god damn handsome nerds.
Any word on how much does the average Cuban league player practice? Is it on the same level as Korea or do they also have job/school they have to share time with? I have no idea of why pubbanana said that. Our enviroment is the worst for starcraft. We dont even have a b.net for ourselves. We play using INCOMING CONNECTIONS and then trough UDP, its less laggy than using the modem option. And this is the most impresive thing, some players dont even train 3 times a week, after the final, im manage to get my team some practice schedules, but my career sometimes makes it difficult to put pressure on the other players, so, right now oficcialy its only 2 hours per day, and 4 on weekends. I also agree with the booths, so......we stick with them......the most important HSL in cuba is the one that takes place in summer, its like all are MSLs and the one in summer is OSL LOL, cause there are mora participants and more people are willing to sponsor.
I said the culture is perfect, not your internet or your equipment. Cubans have a long history of making do with what little they have, they're a strong and resilient people, I'm not surprised Cubans can do this much with a 12 year old computer game.
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On February 14 2010 02:28 oo_xerox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 17:11 Shauni wrote:
But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-... Wow, actually the TSL showed that no only a selecto few but the entire foreign elite can get past b+. Also, i thought that was the only way to get real good, i didnt know that cheesy play is what actually gets you very high ranking..........hmmm i think i might surprise some players here. The problem with our play style is that we are VERY VERY bm among ourselves, and some think the only clean way to win someone is to destroy him in a macro oriented play. The 3rd place competitors actually have one of the most intense rivalries in the scene, and are the most BM. But the diference betwen other scenes and ours, is that the audience LOVES Bad Manners.
Yes, but the TSL season was a special lengthened season where foreigners played each others up to A-. In other seasons where there are almost only high level amateur or semi pro koreans past A- it's almost impossible to get beyond it, especially since you need over 50% winrate.
Playing macro oriented builds is obviously good to improve your lategame but it's not good on a ladder unless you know exactly what you can and can not get away with. If you are the slightest bit too greedy you'll get cheesed and allined in almost every game. I can imagine that because cuban players know eachother well and because most play this kind of macro style - they aren't adapting very well to allin. You could see in the reps for example, that the tosses double expanded very quickly off just one or two gates with no scouting information in T's base. The builds in both of those reps would have been demolished by a well-executed timing push, but it was like a mutual agreement for both parts to secure an early third.
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On February 14 2010 02:35 Sight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2010 16:12 ArvickHero wrote:On February 13 2010 13:42 pubbanana wrote:The culture in Cuba is just perfect for SC progaming. I'm not really shocked by any of this. explain?? Well think about what made starcraft so popular in korea. It was cheap, didn't require fancy hardware and it was fun in a time of recession. Because, and no offence is meant here, Cuba's average income is not as high as other countries, seeing starcraft as a fun, cheap source of entertainment is not TOO much of a surprise. But I am still shocked.
You have a point there. Non taken, im not cuban, just living here until i finish lawschool, and cubans are known to do lots of stuff with little things in return, money aint everything here......
But no, its not the same.......actually nvm it is.
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I call exhibition match immediately.
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On February 13 2010 16:25 CuteSmallHydra wrote:
Wow, this is amazing.
You mentioned that Cuba has been running these Leagues since 2007, but the players have only gone pro in the past two months - what does this mean exactly? That the participating teams/players only managed to find sponsors within the last two months? I'm really eager to know more about it all compares with how the Koreans run their teams.
Also about RedBull - are they sponsoring the currently running League, or the next coming one? If it's the next League, what company is sponsoring the current one? Or if it's the inverse and RedBull is sponsoring the current one, who sponsored the previous one?
It's so shocking that these Leagues have been running for a good two years and we've never heard anything about them until just now. I really hope StarCraft continues to grow in Cuba. I hope you guys get your shot at entering WCG. It never even occurred to me until now that Cuba had never participated.
Cuba has been runing this league without asking anything in return. The playes dont get paid to play, that cant happen due to the ADCE not being supported legally by the government. Some organizations would finance the event, which is quite expensive, this final had DJoy one of the best minimal Djs of the country. But only in the last 5 o 6 months the thing got real, we got a big asociation to help us(us i mean starcraft players), not economicaly, but oriented us and gave us some of their most important contacts, so we can walk by ourselves.
Red bull its not runing the league, they just want the promotion and just look at the event, how much promotion do you need? they pay for some minor things we need mostly, and give us some contacts for the preparation of the event. The previous one was also helped by RedBull. Its economic losses arent comparable to the losses of other internationals tourneys, so they can afford to help the HSL for a while.
You have never heard of cuba before....thats actually kinda our fault, only now that we have solid sponsorship and support that we are proud to show ourselves to the world and receive all of this feedback, if i have done this thread before, without any real evidence, like the final vod, you guys would have thought of this like an unimportant lan party lol.
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On February 14 2010 02:40 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2010 02:28 oo_xerox wrote:On February 13 2010 17:11 Shauni wrote:
But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-... Wow, actually the TSL showed that no only a selecto few but the entire foreign elite can get past b+. Also, i thought that was the only way to get real good, i didnt know that cheesy play is what actually gets you very high ranking..........hmmm i think i might surprise some players here. The problem with our play style is that we are VERY VERY bm among ourselves, and some think the only clean way to win someone is to destroy him in a macro oriented play. The 3rd place competitors actually have one of the most intense rivalries in the scene, and are the most BM. But the diference betwen other scenes and ours, is that the audience LOVES Bad Manners. Yes, but the TSL season was a special lengthened season where foreigners played each others up to A-. In other seasons where there are almost only high level amateur or semi pro koreans past A- it's almost impossible to get beyond it, especially since you need over 50% winrate. Playing macro oriented builds is obviously good to improve your lategame but it's not good on a ladder unless you know exactly what you can and can not get away with. If you are the slightest bit too greedy you'll get cheesed and allined in almost every game. I can imagine that because cuban players know eachother well and because most play this kind of macro style - they aren't adapting very well to allin. You could see in the reps for example, that the tosses double expanded very quickly off just one or two gates with no scouting information in T's base. The builds in both of those reps would have been demolished by a well-executed timing push, but it was like a mutual agreement for both parts to secure an early third.
mmm, you are right indeed. But still, im not lying about or iccup results, and the fact that we dont cheese too often does not mean we cant cheese nor cant stop it. But i think you have a point more solid than me. The final saw only one cheese in 7 plays.
I will tell my team to practice nothing but cheeses this evening. Thanx.
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Wow this is awesome. The atmosphere is something else. I'm going to show my friends this.
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i think this should be moved to tourneys or general....im not sure broodwar its the right place for it.
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