That video is from the Final of the 11th Edition of the HAVANA STAR LEAGUE, the main event in the StarCraft Scene in Cuba.
From 1999 to 2006, several attempts were made to organize Cuban StarCraft players in a league, and several low-pretension tournaments were played, but it was not till January 8, 2007, that the first national event was held, thus marking the beginning of the Havana StarCraft League (HSL, by its Spanish acronym)
These tournaments have three qualifying events, called “preliminaries”, which guarantee 32 tickets for the HSL, where participants make eight groups of four. The system copies that of the soccer World Cups.
The event’s results are logged and tabulated for a StarCfrat ranking, based on the ELO system used in chess. The current Ranking will be uploaded later.
In this event Roger "Rockstar" Recio , a zerg player from the o.O team (one&Only), known as the bronze titan for his 4 Bronze medals achieved in the tournament, faced Angel Yasmany "Hokage" Sanchez, a protoss player from the MaX team FOR THE GOLD MEDAL OF THE TOURNAMENT in a Best of 5.
Not a single player has been able to win 3 hsls. Considered to be the curse of the HSL in cuba, one player manage to win 2 in a row, terran player o.O]T[XerOx, and another to win with two different races, Boundless[Link], who win with both Zerg and Protoss
Thanks to the financial support of Red Bull and RBOL, the event stood as the best to the moment, with over 350 people attending the event. ADEC organized the event with the help of PMM and Maxim Rock Theather, the place at which the event was made. ADEC is Asociacion de Deportes Electronicos de Cuba (Cuban E-Sports asociation) Responsible for all starcraft events in the island.
On april 20, the final of the HTL (Habana Team league, the cuban proleague) Will be held, no concrete finalists are determined. But the current favorites are one&Only, MaX and CH.
Why is Cuba not known to the world?: Cuba does not participe in any foreign tourney, nor can access any type of B.net due to having a very poor internet conection, myself have 56kb modem conection right now. So we have our own National pro scene, similar to the likes of Korea And China.
Im also a player, i was the first terran to win a HSL, and to win 2 in a row, wining the last one and the before. Due to me losing in the ro8, i stayed as the spanish comentator of the event. Im the manager of the one&Only team.
MaX /// 1 htl gold and 1 htl silver one&Only /// 1 htl gold. CH /// 1 HTL Silver King /// Oldest team with an un-edited name. ACE /// Cuba has also mandatory military service....not that has anything to do with the name. SxE /// Its leader is the youngest SC player in cuba, Ernesto "CHI", with only 13 years old. STAR /// Newest Team.
EDIT: Since everyone really support us, i will update this everytime i can with more vods and pictures that will be edited by the end of the month, also, ill make a different OP about the HTL finals, which are also very exciting. Thank you TeamLiquid.net, your posts in this thread have made a LOOOOOOOOT of people very very Happy.
We have had this tournaments for a while now, 2 years maybe, we just didnt go this serious until the last feew months. I went to europe on vacations and achieved high ranking on iccup, so we are really good players, dont underestimate us, cuba has very poor internet conections, mine right now is 56k modem, so we are completely aisolated from the world, only myself have traveled since im not born cuban. The play level here its extremely high.
On February 13 2010 12:24 oo_xerox wrote: The payment its actually very very good. Are you comparing this country to mars? O.o LOL
I think he just means that it's a shock to know that there are starcraft tourneys in Cuba. I don't think anybody would have expected it. Like you said, it's a small country and you don't have good internet there, so nobody here really knew that you guys played starcraft, let alone competitively.
I was kidding, i know what he meant ^^. We just want to share this to the world, and hopefully one day those barriers wont exist and we can show you how skilled we are at the game, the top players here dream about that.
On February 13 2010 12:46 ErOs_HalO wrote: WOW How did they get RedBull to sponsor ???
Especially sponsor a bunch of noobs..
Heeeh, no. We arent noobs. ill accept that from anyone but a noone like you. Srry. RedBull adn Rbol saw future in the PLayers, and the skill level i must say is very high, i ll ask permission to upload training replays from each team if you like. Being unknow to you =/= being noob.
On February 13 2010 12:47 nonduc wrote: Good news! The island of progaming in the west part of the world!
If SC2 kills BroodWar, then Cuba will be one of the few to have a solid BW Pro Scene, we cant play SC2 in a competitve way, so, if everything stays according to plan, we wont update BroodWar. we cant anyways with the poor internet available.
On February 13 2010 12:46 ErOs_HalO wrote: WOW How did they get RedBull to sponsor ???
Especially sponsor a bunch of noobs..
Heeeh, no. We arent noobs. ill accept that from anyone but a noone like you. Srry. RedBull saw future in the PLayers, and the skill level i must say is very high, i ll ask permission to upload training replays from each team if you like. Being unknow to you =/= being noob.
On February 13 2010 12:53 oo_xerox wrote: If SC2 kills BroodWar, then Cuba will be one of the few to have a solid BW Pro Scene, we cant play SC2 in a competitve way, so, if everything stays according to plan, we wont update BroodWar. Not with the poor internet we have.
No. No. Just NO! SC2 will not kill BroodWar in any way! Korean pros will not play SC2 without LAN-support.
On February 13 2010 12:53 oo_xerox wrote: If SC2 kills BroodWar, then Cuba will be one of the few to have a solid BW Pro Scene, we cant play SC2 in a competitve way, so, if everything stays according to plan, we wont update BroodWar. Not with the poor internet we have.
No. No. Just NO! SC2 will not kill BroodWar in any way! Korean pros will not play SC2 without LAN-support.
This is reallllly fucking cool to learn. Hope the scene stays strong for you guys! This is like the second-strongest national scene in the world! Hahahah, how surprising.
It'd be interesting to see if players from Cuba have unique or different play-styles, since they are more isolated than other countries - who mostly try to take after Koreans.
And wow, if all the people playing are above A- on iccup... that's pretty sick, is it really true?
On February 13 2010 13:58 Shauni wrote: It'd be interesting to see if players from Cuba have unique or different play-styles, since they are more isolated than other countries - who mostly try to take after Koreans.
And wow, if all the people playing are above A- on iccup... that's pretty sick, is it really true?
Me and SlipKorn manage to do that in 4 months with a share account between the 2 of us. But only reps can tell, i should ask my teammates if they are ok with uploading reps, and ask other teams ass well. The top foreing players are better than us, judging by reps.
That's pretty sweet. I would have never expected such a great looking event from a country which I've never even really associated with SC before. I'd really like to see some reps as well, just to see the stylesets which come from being somewhat isolated from the rest of the scene.
its 1 am here, tomorrow there will be another event to say the HSL groups, and the finalists to make changes, like KOREA LOL, i will ask there about replays, if they agree i will put them on repdepot. But remember, im pretty sure they will give (Like me lol) their best practice reps so...also, cubans are very shy about showing reps, i ll try to convince them.
this is great, was always a fan of the cuban nation, and now this who needs US consumerism when all u need is sc:bw, great medicine, cuban cigars, great music and beaches def gonna check out these reps i have no doubt the cuban can hold their own in starcraft.
What on Earth?!? This video is so awesome. Out of all countries the cubans seem to be the best in creating some real Korean Pro Gaming atmosphere with these dedicated fans and badass gamers haha. As soon as SC 2 comes out the cubans will dominate Brood War as long as they can't afford the computers for SC 2 by now
Cubans are characterized by playing macro games, we arent very cheesy.
I think ill regret this, but i`ll upload 2 tvp from preliminaries.
Tomorrow we have a training season, ill leak a few tvz and zvp, before you guys star saying how much we suck and all, pls remember we are very young at this, so dont expect korean reps.
And to STU: Actually all of the elite players have badass PCs, but what motivates us is the competitivity of the game.
I cant believe how many positive comments im getting here. Thank very much guys. I didnt expect this, actually i thought this would be part flaming part LOLing but no.
On February 13 2010 14:43 jalstar wrote: I like how they play in a "virtual studio"
They have probably had less power outages than MBC though .
It's actually a good thing for them, probably cheaper than soundproofing.
Oh, huuum, we actually have soundproof cabins for the next HSL, Rbull will gain more promotion with it but players will get more nervous and might lower their play level, and no matter how much soundproof you want, crowd vibrations will be very notable. so werenot sure wheter to use those or not.
This is just so great, really reminds you of the early (and present) Korean StarCraft scene. Hopefully everything will work out well with the advent of Sc2 in one way or another.
I just realized, that im nowhere in that vod to be seen.........wtf? oh well.............i was the caster or comentator or wtv im not sure what the right word in english is, anyway skip to 1:07 and pause, in the referees table im the second guy from the right, theres no clearer picture of mine than that one.
On February 13 2010 14:43 jalstar wrote: I like how they play in a "virtual studio"
They have probably had less power outages than MBC though .
It's actually a good thing for them, probably cheaper than soundproofing.
Oh, huuum, we actually have soundproof cabins for the next HSL, Rbull will gain more promotion with it but players will get more nervous and might lower their play level, and no matter how much soundproof you want, crowd vibrations will be very notable. so werenot sure wheter to use those or not.
The atmosphere will just be so much better with player booths, and what separates the champions from the average players is being able to withstand the pressure.
Very impressive, if you're able to continue the evolution at the same pace it wont take long until you can compete with the professionality of Korea, Red Bull is a very nice sponsor. :o
Also I am confused why pubbanana thinks this is that good of an environment, wasn't Korea perfect because of the wide spread internet connection etc. it seems like Cuba has nothing like that? Not that I doubt anything you have to say.
And hey I agree with booths being better just for the aesthetical value, it upgrades the feeling of professionality so much when the players aren't sitting in another room or in the same room without booths. And I feel people are not going to get bored as easily and you might get new fans just because they enjoy watching those god damn handsome nerds.
Any word on how much does the average Cuban league player practice? Is it on the same level as Korea or do they also have job/school they have to share time with?
You mentioned that Cuba has been running these Leagues since 2007, but the players have only gone pro in the past two months - what does this mean exactly? That the participating teams/players only managed to find sponsors within the last two months? I'm really eager to know more about it all compares with how the Koreans run their teams.
Also about RedBull - are they sponsoring the currently running League, or the next coming one? If it's the next League, what company is sponsoring the current one? Or if it's the inverse and RedBull is sponsoring the current one, who sponsored the previous one?
It's so shocking that these Leagues have been running for a good two years and we've never heard anything about them until just now. I really hope StarCraft continues to grow in Cuba. I hope you guys get your shot at entering WCG. It never even occurred to me until now that Cuba had never participated.
there were posts about this back in 07 I remember on TL. Glad to see you guys doing so well!
edit: I may have been thinking of a different HSL though haha I just searched to double check and it looks like something totally different than what I thought I was thinking of. ;X
Many seems surprised like in Latinamerica there´s no chance to have a SC:BW scene in good conditions???
I feel envy when I see places like Chile, Argentina, even Peru, with poorer internet infraestructures in comparision with my beloved Spain, but they have stronger and more established competitions and players :_(
Anyway, its sooooo good to see places like Cuba having these events
But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-...
On February 13 2010 16:23 Puosu wrote: Very impressive, if you're able to continue the evolution at the same pace it wont take long until you can compete with the professionality of Korea, Red Bull is a very nice sponsor. :o
Also I am confused why pubbanana thinks this is that good of an environment, wasn't Korea perfect because of the wide spread internet connection etc. it seems like Cuba has nothing like that? Not that I doubt anything you have to say.
And hey I agree with booths being better just for the aesthetical value, it upgrades the feeling of professionality so much when the players aren't sitting in another room or in the same room without booths. And I feel people are not going to get bored as easily and you might get new fans just because they enjoy watching those god damn handsome nerds.
Any word on how much does the average Cuban league player practice? Is it on the same level as Korea or do they also have job/school they have to share time with?
I have no idea of why pubbanana said that. Our enviroment is the worst for starcraft. We dont even have a b.net for ourselves. We play using INCOMING CONNECTIONS and then trough UDP, its less laggy than using the modem option. Altough we dont really care y know? just 2 guys playing starcraft is more than enough.
And this is the most impresive thing, some players dont even train 4 times a week for a long period of time, just a couple of games maybe and watching reps, after the final, im manage to get my team some practice schedules, but my career sometimes makes it difficult to put pressure on the other players, so, right now oficcialy its only 2 hours per day, playing or watching reps, and 4 on weekends.
I also agree with the booths, so......we stick with them......the most important HSL in cuba is the one that takes place in summer, its like all are MSLs and the one in summer is OSL LOL, cause there are mora participants and more people are willing to help with the event.
On February 13 2010 16:58 pR0gR4m3R wrote: Many seems surprised like in Latinamerica there´s no chance to have a SC:BW scene in good conditions???
I feel envy when I see places like Chile, Argentina, even Peru, with poorer internet infraestructures in comparision with my beloved Spain, but they have stronger and more established competitions and players :_(
Anyway, its sooooo good to see places like Cuba having these events
VIVA CUBA CARAJO!!1
Actually, puting that way, its quite obvious that a country like Cuba with poor internet conections plays BW, 56k conections arent very helpfull when playing Call of duty. And only very few players have any type of conections, just a modem and a phone line, thats it, HSL was formed.
On February 13 2010 17:11 Shauni wrote: But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-...
Wow, actually the TSL showed that no only a selecto few but the entire foreign elite can get past b+. Also, i thought that was the only way to get real good, i didnt know that cheesy play is what actually gets you very high ranking..........hmmm i think i might surprise some players here.
The problem with our play style is that we are VERY VERY bm among ourselves, and some think the only clean way to win someone is to destroy him in a macro oriented play. The 3rd place competitors actually have one of the most intense rivalries in the scene, and are the most BM. But the diference betwen other scenes and ours, is that the audience LOVES Bad Manners.
On February 13 2010 17:11 Shauni wrote: But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-...
Wow, actually the TSL showed that no only a selecto few but the entire foreign elite can get past b+. Also, i thought that was the only way to get real good, i didnt know that cheesy play is what actually gets you very high ranking..........hmmm i think i might surprise some players here.
The problem with our play style is that we are VERY VERY bm among ourselves, and some think the only clean way to win someone is to destroy him in a macro oriented play. The 3rd place competitors actually have one of the most intense rivalries in the scene, and are the most BM. But the diference betwen other scenes and ours, is that the audience LOVES Bad Manners.
On February 13 2010 13:42 pubbanana wrote: The culture in Cuba is just perfect for SC progaming. I'm not really shocked by any of this.
explain??
Well think about what made starcraft so popular in korea. It was cheap, didn't require fancy hardware and it was fun in a time of recession. Because, and no offence is meant here, Cuba's average income is not as high as other countries, seeing starcraft as a fun, cheap source of entertainment is not TOO much of a surprise. But I am still shocked.
On February 13 2010 16:23 Puosu wrote: Very impressive, if you're able to continue the evolution at the same pace it wont take long until you can compete with the professionality of Korea, Red Bull is a very nice sponsor. :o
Also I am confused why pubbanana thinks this is that good of an environment, wasn't Korea perfect because of the wide spread internet connection etc. it seems like Cuba has nothing like that? Not that I doubt anything you have to say.
And hey I agree with booths being better just for the aesthetical value, it upgrades the feeling of professionality so much when the players aren't sitting in another room or in the same room without booths. And I feel people are not going to get bored as easily and you might get new fans just because they enjoy watching those god damn handsome nerds.
Any word on how much does the average Cuban league player practice? Is it on the same level as Korea or do they also have job/school they have to share time with?
I have no idea of why pubbanana said that. Our enviroment is the worst for starcraft. We dont even have a b.net for ourselves. We play using INCOMING CONNECTIONS and then trough UDP, its less laggy than using the modem option.
And this is the most impresive thing, some players dont even train 3 times a week, after the final, im manage to get my team some practice schedules, but my career sometimes makes it difficult to put pressure on the other players, so, right now oficcialy its only 2 hours per day, and 4 on weekends.
I also agree with the booths, so......we stick with them......the most important HSL in cuba is the one that takes place in summer, its like all are MSLs and the one in summer is OSL LOL, cause there are mora participants and more people are willing to sponsor.
I said the culture is perfect, not your internet or your equipment. Cubans have a long history of making do with what little they have, they're a strong and resilient people, I'm not surprised Cubans can do this much with a 12 year old computer game.
On February 13 2010 17:11 Shauni wrote: But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-...
Wow, actually the TSL showed that no only a selecto few but the entire foreign elite can get past b+. Also, i thought that was the only way to get real good, i didnt know that cheesy play is what actually gets you very high ranking..........hmmm i think i might surprise some players here.
The problem with our play style is that we are VERY VERY bm among ourselves, and some think the only clean way to win someone is to destroy him in a macro oriented play. The 3rd place competitors actually have one of the most intense rivalries in the scene, and are the most BM. But the diference betwen other scenes and ours, is that the audience LOVES Bad Manners.
Yes, but the TSL season was a special lengthened season where foreigners played each others up to A-. In other seasons where there are almost only high level amateur or semi pro koreans past A- it's almost impossible to get beyond it, especially since you need over 50% winrate. Playing macro oriented builds is obviously good to improve your lategame but it's not good on a ladder unless you know exactly what you can and can not get away with. If you are the slightest bit too greedy you'll get cheesed and allined in almost every game. I can imagine that because cuban players know eachother well and because most play this kind of macro style - they aren't adapting very well to allin. You could see in the reps for example, that the tosses double expanded very quickly off just one or two gates with no scouting information in T's base. The builds in both of those reps would have been demolished by a well-executed timing push, but it was like a mutual agreement for both parts to secure an early third.
On February 13 2010 13:42 pubbanana wrote: The culture in Cuba is just perfect for SC progaming. I'm not really shocked by any of this.
explain??
Well think about what made starcraft so popular in korea. It was cheap, didn't require fancy hardware and it was fun in a time of recession. Because, and no offence is meant here, Cuba's average income is not as high as other countries, seeing starcraft as a fun, cheap source of entertainment is not TOO much of a surprise. But I am still shocked.
You have a point there. Non taken, im not cuban, just living here until i finish lawschool, and cubans are known to do lots of stuff with little things in return, money aint everything here......
But no, its not the same.......actually nvm it is.
On February 13 2010 16:25 CuteSmallHydra wrote: Wow, this is amazing.
You mentioned that Cuba has been running these Leagues since 2007, but the players have only gone pro in the past two months - what does this mean exactly? That the participating teams/players only managed to find sponsors within the last two months? I'm really eager to know more about it all compares with how the Koreans run their teams.
Also about RedBull - are they sponsoring the currently running League, or the next coming one? If it's the next League, what company is sponsoring the current one? Or if it's the inverse and RedBull is sponsoring the current one, who sponsored the previous one?
It's so shocking that these Leagues have been running for a good two years and we've never heard anything about them until just now. I really hope StarCraft continues to grow in Cuba. I hope you guys get your shot at entering WCG. It never even occurred to me until now that Cuba had never participated.
Cuba has been runing this league without asking anything in return. The playes dont get paid to play, that cant happen due to the ADCE not being supported legally by the government. Some organizations would finance the event, which is quite expensive, this final had DJoy one of the best minimal Djs of the country. But only in the last 5 o 6 months the thing got real, we got a big asociation to help us(us i mean starcraft players), not economicaly, but oriented us and gave us some of their most important contacts, so we can walk by ourselves.
Red bull its not runing the league, they just want the promotion and just look at the event, how much promotion do you need? they pay for some minor things we need mostly, and give us some contacts for the preparation of the event. The previous one was also helped by RedBull. Its economic losses arent comparable to the losses of other internationals tourneys, so they can afford to help the HSL for a while.
You have never heard of cuba before....thats actually kinda our fault, only now that we have solid sponsorship and support that we are proud to show ourselves to the world and receive all of this feedback, if i have done this thread before, without any real evidence, like the final vod, you guys would have thought of this like an unimportant lan party lol.
On February 13 2010 17:11 Shauni wrote: But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-...
Wow, actually the TSL showed that no only a selecto few but the entire foreign elite can get past b+. Also, i thought that was the only way to get real good, i didnt know that cheesy play is what actually gets you very high ranking..........hmmm i think i might surprise some players here.
The problem with our play style is that we are VERY VERY bm among ourselves, and some think the only clean way to win someone is to destroy him in a macro oriented play. The 3rd place competitors actually have one of the most intense rivalries in the scene, and are the most BM. But the diference betwen other scenes and ours, is that the audience LOVES Bad Manners.
Yes, but the TSL season was a special lengthened season where foreigners played each others up to A-. In other seasons where there are almost only high level amateur or semi pro koreans past A- it's almost impossible to get beyond it, especially since you need over 50% winrate. Playing macro oriented builds is obviously good to improve your lategame but it's not good on a ladder unless you know exactly what you can and can not get away with. If you are the slightest bit too greedy you'll get cheesed and allined in almost every game. I can imagine that because cuban players know eachother well and because most play this kind of macro style - they aren't adapting very well to allin. You could see in the reps for example, that the tosses double expanded very quickly off just one or two gates with no scouting information in T's base. The builds in both of those reps would have been demolished by a well-executed timing push, but it was like a mutual agreement for both parts to secure an early third.
mmm, you are right indeed. But still, im not lying about or iccup results, and the fact that we dont cheese too often does not mean we cant cheese nor cant stop it. But i think you have a point more solid than me. The final saw only one cheese in 7 plays.
I will tell my team to practice nothing but cheeses this evening. Thanx.
hi everyone Im Cuban and also i love starcraft... i can tell u how people do to play sc in Cuba at least, me, i didnt have a pc, so i had to go to a friends house... i can assure u, it wasnt a very good pc... nobody has this pc in his house.... this was a problem already.... another problem was how do u connect to the other people... it's no a secret for everybody that in cuba there is no internet... so we connect to other people by telephone n modem.... if the other people had a telephone, we connect to them by modem usually a 16-32k... the other problem was when the month was finished, u had to pay the telephone... so it was a big amount of money cuz our calls were to another province...so u can imagine some of the problems that r affecting to the cubans... n maybe that makes u think about them cuz it's no easy to play sc in Cuba, believe me, the other problem is that in Cuba they dont pay u for playing sc, U can love sc, but if u dont have the means to play it, it's imposible to be better...
On February 13 2010 12:46 ErOs_HalO wrote: WOW How did they get RedBull to sponsor ???
Especially sponsor a bunch of noobs..
On February 14 2010 05:44 SpaNiarD wrote: ErOs_HaIo +1
How do you come in here, learn there's an entire SC scene you weren't previously aware of and immediately start bashing it? That's like beyond retarded.
On February 14 2010 05:44 SpaNiarD wrote: ErOs_HaIo +1
How do you come in here, learn there's an entire SC scene you weren't previously aware of and immediately start bashing it? That's like beyond retarded.
Spanniard its like the stupiest poster on earth, hes been in some known clans as the punching bag of them, he keeps telling everyone hes b on iccup when he actually keeps loosing to everyone, for fucks sake, stay the fuck out from here asshole and try to train a bit to see if you beat a c player.
More vods are coming! thanx for the support everyone!!!
On February 14 2010 06:15 FranzF1 wrote: Awesome Cuba Fighting... Its a shame that SC2 is coming soon..T_T SC2 is going to kill SC at least in the foreign scene.
5 or so, but the point abput cheese said before made me thing, and maybe cheesy play would be the medicine for cuban players LOL, dunno why i didnt get cheesed too much when i played a while back.
On February 13 2010 17:11 Shauni wrote: But if most Cuban players play that macro oriented and greedy like it was shown in those reps, I can't imagine them getting very far in any ladder. The players being A- seems high, only a select few foreigners can make it past A-...
Wow, actually the TSL showed that no only a selecto few but the entire foreign elite can get past b+. Also, i thought that was the only way to get real good, i didnt know that cheesy play is what actually gets you very high ranking..........hmmm i think i might surprise some players here.
The problem with our play style is that we are VERY VERY bm among ourselves, and some think the only clean way to win someone is to destroy him in a macro oriented play. The 3rd place competitors actually have one of the most intense rivalries in the scene, and are the most BM. But the diference betwen other scenes and ours, is that the audience LOVES Bad Manners.
I think Idra moved to the wrong country to play starcraft.
On February 13 2010 12:53 oo_xerox wrote: If SC2 kills BroodWar, then Cuba will be one of the few to have a solid BW Pro Scene, we cant play SC2 in a competitve way, so, if everything stays according to plan, we wont update BroodWar. Not with the poor internet we have.
No. No. Just NO! SC2 will not kill BroodWar in any way! Korean pros will not play SC2 without LAN-support.
SC2 has LAN-support, albeit Internet-authenticated one like Steam. However, since Korea is one of the most advanced countries in IT coverage and people often play at PC bangs, that will not really present an issue for them. Unfortunately, considering the limitations of IT technology in Cuba, I imagine that it would already be difficult to try and login onto Battle.net to actually make use of the feature (assuming you were allowed to login at all). Haofang has claimed it`s first victims. =/
Anyway, it is preety amazing what Cuban players have been able to set up. I hope the scene stays strong for a long time. One question, though....do you have to resort to using illegal copies of Brood War? I am not trying to be insulting or judgmental. But I imagine it is hard/impossible to get a legal copy on Cuba, considering the embargo.
EDIT: Also, does Cuba have anything like the "Great Firewall of China"? Or does the limited access to IT technology already present a sort of barrier?
On February 13 2010 12:53 oo_xerox wrote: If SC2 kills BroodWar, then Cuba will be one of the few to have a solid BW Pro Scene, we cant play SC2 in a competitve way, so, if everything stays according to plan, we wont update BroodWar. Not with the poor internet we have.
No. No. Just NO! SC2 will not kill BroodWar in any way! Korean pros will not play SC2 without LAN-support.
SC2 has LAN-support, albeit Internet-authenticated one like Steam. However, since Korea is one of the most advanced countries in IT coverage and people often play at PC bangs, that will not really present an issue for them. Unfortunately, considering the limitations of IT technology in Cuba, I imagine that it would already be difficult to try and login onto Battle.net to actually make use of the feature (assuming you were allowed to login at all). Haofang has claimed it`s first victims. =/
Anyway, it is preety amazing what Cuban players have been able to set up. I hope the scene stays strong for a long time. One question, though....do you have to resort to using illegal copies of Brood War? I am not trying to be insulting or judgmental. But I imagine it is hard/impossible to get a legal copy on Cuba, considering the embargo.
EDIT: Also, does Cuba have anything like the "Great Firewall of China"? Or does the limited access to IT technology already present a sort of barrier?
We use pirate copies of BW, due to the embargo ofc. Cubans cant get thing bought on shops due to this, so most things here are pirates, if that were to change, we would use originals copies of broodwar, blizzard need support also you know?
I dont understand completely your question, but yeah, i suppose there is a "firewall".
On February 13 2010 12:53 oo_xerox wrote: If SC2 kills BroodWar, then Cuba will be one of the few to have a solid BW Pro Scene, we cant play SC2 in a competitve way, so, if everything stays according to plan, we wont update BroodWar. Not with the poor internet we have.
No. No. Just NO! SC2 will not kill BroodWar in any way! Korean pros will not play SC2 without LAN-support.
SC2 has LAN-support, albeit Internet-authenticated one like Steam. However, since Korea is one of the most advanced countries in IT coverage and people often play at PC bangs, that will not really present an issue for them. Unfortunately, considering the limitations of IT technology in Cuba, I imagine that it would already be difficult to try and login onto Battle.net to actually make use of the feature (assuming you were allowed to login at all). Haofang has claimed it`s first victims. =/
Anyway, it is preety amazing what Cuban players have been able to set up. I hope the scene stays strong for a long time. One question, though....do you have to resort to using illegal copies of Brood War? I am not trying to be insulting or judgmental. But I imagine it is hard/impossible to get a legal copy on Cuba, considering the embargo.
EDIT: Also, does Cuba have anything like the "Great Firewall of China"? Or does the limited access to IT technology already present a sort of barrier?
We use pirate copies of BW, due to the embargo ofc. Cuba is incredible good to get everything pirate LOL, the day CoDmw2 hit the stores, we got a pirate copy 3 hours later, nothing here is original.
I dont understand completely your question, but yes, cuba has the biggest firewall ever.
So it is a lot like China in those regards. Not that suprising. Thank you.
Who needs "ping pong" diplomacy when we can 2fac push with siege (then mines)! OBAMA TEAR DOWN THESE WALLS!!! Send Idra over there to settle this beef with Castro. Screw Kissinger.
we not have diferent strats than anyone. We use the same strats that use everyone since all players here in Cuba watch replays of Korean gosus and try to improved. Some day we have the oportunity to play in international tournaments I hope.
On February 14 2010 13:36 [AcE]Kenny wrote: we not have diferent strats than anyone. We use the same strats that use everyone since all players here in Cuba watch replays of Korean gosus and try to improved. Some day we have the oportunity to play in international tournaments I hope.
Long Life Too FREE CUBA!!!!!!!!!!!
CUBA LIBRE! which also happens to be an excellent drink.
On February 14 2010 11:55 Nal_rAwr wrote: can i see the iccup accounts of any of the cuban pro's?
man you guys should definitely go to WCG
OMG thats my dream, and hopeffuly we can go and kick some koreans ass LOL, nah really we are working on that....any help will be helpfull LOL
On February 14 2010 14:02 {88}iNcontroL wrote: so the phillipines and cuba have the best foreign lan community outside of korea...
Anyone see something funny about that?
WTF
OMG incontrol posted in my thread <3
On February 14 2010 13:36 [AcE]Kenny wrote: we not have diferent strats than anyone. We use the same strats that use everyone since all players here in Cuba watch replays of Korean gosus and try to improved. Some day we have the oportunity to play in international tournaments I hope.
Long Life Too FREE CUBA!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW LESTER WTF U DOING HERE? this guy also plays in our leagues, hes also on of the oldest players, more of a pasive player tough, hes getting active after rbull sponsorship LOLOLO gogog team ace!!!!
Since everyone really support us, i will update this everytime i can with more vods and pictures that will be edited by the end of the month, also, ill make a different OP about the HTL finals, which are also very exciting. Thank you TeamLiquid.net, your posts in this thread have made a LOOOOOOOOT of people very very Happy.
EDIT: Also, if anyone ever comes to cuba and plays STARCRAFT you can stay at my place, its not very fancy, but fuck it youll get free meals and met the havana with our comunity....i also know a lot of chicks ROFL!!!!
Yo, how heavy is the Canadian participation in the CSL? Looks like there're a lot of schools, so maybe hit-up NCIX to see if they'll sponsor it. Even just small stuff like covering hosting costs and promotion.
WoW, this is incredible, I'm one of the players of the HSL and helped in the organization of the HTL [Havana Team League], we have just launched the knockout stages. @ oo_xerox: this seems like a dream father.
FKKKKKK you crushed my dreams of being the best non asian <=14 year old other than kolll.
I apologize if anyone took my comment about mars badly, it was just such an isolated scene that I had no idea it existed. I did NOT mean that Cubans are from mars in any way >.<
On February 14 2010 20:56 Kreedit wrote: Redbull sponsoring a Cuban league???
Correct me if im wrong but isnt Cuba still under an embargo from the US that forbids all companys to associate with them?
Or maybe im thinking of a different country
Red Bull is an Austrian company. As such, it is not legally obligated to uphold an embargo imposed by another country. Infact, due to laws passed by the European Parliament, it is actually illegal by companies from EU countries to obey the embargo.
On February 15 2010 00:33 Jayson X wrote: What a great thing you have going on there. Tell us how large is your active player base?
350 spectators sounds like a great event! I wish you all the best in your upcoming tournaments.
The preliminaries for this 12th hsl had around 100 competitors, but the play level diference is noticebale, only 8 or so are elite players. So preliminaries are quite fun to watch....
On February 15 2010 00:18 Pokebunny wrote: FKKKKKK you crushed my dreams of being the best non asian <=14 year old other than kolll.
I apologize if anyone took my comment about mars badly, it was just such an isolated scene that I had no idea it existed. I did NOT mean that Cubans are from mars in any way >.<
I was just kidding, i completely understood your analogy
It's really cool to see this popup out of nowhere so late in SC's life, nice work.
I'm interested in what the Cuban live audience makeup is. Similar to Koreans? Girls and people that might not actually play much SC or more like the foreigner scene where it's male dominated. From the short video you put it looks like a good mix of male and female. Do you know if a majority of them actually play or is it more of a fun place for spectators to go hang out with a bunch of people even if they don't really know SC.
Someone on cuba must have decent internet. Now I want to see a show match! Someone set something up yo Also why did it take 10 years for the community in cuba to tell us your alive down there lol.
I would love to see the playstyles of people who took SC:BW play to a high level in a completely isolated environment. It'd be like a parallel universe.
cuba is like the atlantic city of progaming as korea is like las vegas. I am quite impressed and suprised as to why we were not informed sooner. this is another step in the progression of esports. more information plz
On February 15 2010 03:40 GogoKodo wrote: It's really cool to see this popup out of nowhere so late in SC's life, nice work.
I'm interested in what the Cuban live audience makeup is. Similar to Koreans? Girls and people that might not actually play much SC or more like the foreigner scene where it's male dominated. From the short video you put it looks like a good mix of male and female. Do you know if a majority of them actually play or is it more of a fun place for spectators to go hang out with a bunch of people even if they don't really know SC.
Oh, its like the foreign scene, there are some girls as well, but males are our main spectators.
On February 15 2010 03:46 InToTheWannaB wrote: Someone on cuba must have decent internet. Now I want to see a show match! Someone set something up yo Also why did it take 10 years for the community in cuba to tell us your alive down there lol.
Indeed, but its on their work, very strict and hard to get, everything we will upload from now on will be from a better internet bradband conections. Still, the port used forb.nets is permanently closed in this country, im not sure why tough, but even if it wasnt, 56kb conecctions would lagg like hell; we can still schedule something here if you guys convince a good foreign player to do thid with us.
On February 15 2010 03:53 Patriot.dlk wrote: Very cool keep playing and post replays and whatnot. Pictures would of course be epic since it's hard to imagine this.
On February 15 2010 03:57 lolaloc wrote: VODs and interviews please
Just wait a little longer until RBOL relases all of the audiovisual materials please, it will be double the epic LOL
On February 15 2010 04:06 minus_human wrote: I hope your players are not all Protoss -.-
On February 15 2010 06:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: well.cuba have many players toss and zerg but not good players terran,the ebst player terran of cuba is oo_xerox winner of 2 hsl
OMG im blushed, actually we are entering a protoss dominated scene, LOL so yeah, last HSL was zerg dominated so it was very easy for me, only 3 or 4 elite protoss, i took 2 out and the other 2 were weak against zerg, wen i won the last one it was a TvZ and ZvZ finals.
On February 15 2010 04:48 Nal_rAwr wrote: USA vs CUBA
gogogo
our usa team isn't that good cuba could win if we were to play 5 on 5
Nony, idra, and incontrol will totaly all kill us, i love u guys!!!! Just kidding, we should schedule that sometime ^^
On February 15 2010 03:46 InToTheWannaB wrote: Someone on cuba must have decent internet. Now I want to see a show match! Someone set something up yo Also why did it take 10 years for the community in cuba to tell us your alive down there lol.
“For us it was a pleasure to play with people from other countries, more than anything to compare our level, to see that we lack?, Here all play by modem and the problem that is sometimes given plenty of problems or lag, and is uncomfortable lag. Todos play dedicate ourselves to practice well enough to get good results and `out in ranking.El posteo man above me is my idol terran, 2 HSL row, won 1st place in the ranking, was the first terran win a HSL, and founder of one of the best clans oO [only and One]. Thanks for your comments, they are comforting.”
If we manage to get a decent internet connection, is there any well known foreign team/player willing to give a showmatch with us? i will find 4 or 5 players to do so.
Hearing about the lag issues, I wonder how Zergs manage to stay competitive without relying on Muta micro? Or is it not bad enough where you cant muta micro?
This is awesome btw! If showmatches do occur, we should find some way to stream/commentate them (if possible) !
On February 15 2010 10:50 zzzzsleepyhead wrote: Hearing about the lag issues, I wonder how Zergs manage to stay competitive without relying on Muta micro? Or is it not bad enough where you cant muta micro?
This is awesome btw! If showmatches do occur, we should find some way to stream/commentate them (if possible) !
thats cuban zergs weaknesses, so they rely more on macro games. But we are trying to improve that, cuban muta micro is not very good.
Also there isnt much lagg, almost unnoticeable.
Cuban zvt used to be very unique, similar to old times korean zvt, with 3 evos and hidra+lurker+defiler combo very lamer style, now is changing, i might upload a few zvt later.
If the B.net port wasn't blocked in Cuba, a 56k modem would work just fine. That's what I play on sometimes because the broadband at the place I stay filters out all p2p ports. It's cool to know that you all like to play SC. It would be cool to visit you and play some SC with you, though I'm sure you'd all own me cause I just started playing again after about 5 years lol.
On February 15 2010 20:26 KawaiiRice wrote: Aren't these games played live in LAN setting? Latency wouldn't matter so you could have good muta control ya?
Edit even though this is unnecessary: ammamamamazing league <3
No, the entire tournament isnt played via lan, only the final stage, so we use modem.
On February 15 2010 17:19 nonduc wrote: How about to write articles about the Cuban proscene (players and tournaments) in the Liquipedia?
On February 16 2010 01:49 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hmm xerox can you make op of xii hsl ?¿
Only after the final is done and we have vods, otherwise there is no point in doing so, i dont think the foreign comunity is interested by our league standings, so only results will be posted
On February 16 2010 02:10 iNfeRnaL wrote: LOL, really nice effort, this is sick!
lolz the two players playing on a little table...it's cool though to have a multi-national corporation like Red Bull as sponsor...remmeber Coca Cola OSL?
3. The same procedure will be to create new articles about the teams, about the players, and about tournaments.
4. For help. Open some Liquipedia page in edit mode, for example White-Ra article and copy the code. Paste in your new article. Change the data and text to those that you need for a specific Cuban player. You quickly get a ready-made article.
5. You can talk with Liquipedia stuff on Wiki IRC Channel or on respective talk pages.
this is great, I have a Cuban friend who play SC and even run a site about blizzard games (Starcraft.Notiblizzard.net) and he never told me about this!!!... I asked and he said mostly only people from La Habana played, since he is from "la provincia" he cant, and as far as I know there are a lot of players where he lives.. cant remember his town's name though.... maybe you know him, his nick is "Terminator"..
anyway good luck with everything, now I badly want to go to Cuba, and it isnt too far XD...
On February 16 2010 10:42 kawoq wrote: this is great, I have a Cuban friend who play SC and even run a site about blizzard games (Starcraft.Notiblizzard.net) and he never told me about this!!!... I asked and he said mostly only people from La Habana played, since he is from "la provincia" he cant, and as far as I know there are a lot of players where he lives.. cant remember his town's name though.... maybe you know him, his nick is "Terminator"..
anyway good luck with everything, now I badly want to go to Cuba, and it isnt too far XD...
...so i have to say that SC in Cuba is widely played, but mostly over LAN. We dont have cable internet access, just sattelite (i mean from the country out), so we cant play over at bnets like iccup or anything. It is still played A LOT. Myself in particular study at a university with over 10000 students, all studygin Computer SCience, so ass you might expect we play SC, W3,Dota,WoW a lot!!!! SC has lost a bit of popularity to DOTA in the past year or so but it is gaining again thanks to the Havana Leage and the guys over at ADEC. Right now im working in Venezuela and have played a few games over at iccup, but lag kills me here also. Anyways, since 2000 i know of this attempts of creating a league and such and its really nice that all this is happening, cause it is motivating retired players (really good ones, like B or B+ in iccup for example) to come back, making posible for new and old players to improve even more.... perhaps we'll have a WCG team someday... though i doubt it will be soon hehehe... :D keep it up oo_Xerox, y si necesitas ayuda de la uci tira pa aka chama!!!
On February 18 2010 05:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hmmm old players of cuba not are b b+ players,you can see the reps and see they not have this level,i have some one
WTF you talking about? the level in cuba IT IS that high .......wtf? youre b- and lost a lot of games here dude.....so yeah, quite high level, and a bit more after this final. Not to offend you, but how do you know about cubans if you live in spain?
EDIT: This thread its a scan for all cuban lurkers ROFL
On February 13 2010 12:46 ErOs_HalO wrote: WOW How did they get RedBull to sponsor ???
Especially sponsor a bunch of noobs..
It's really not that hard to get some kind of sponsorship for LAN parties these days. My roommate holds one a couple times a year (~20 people) that BAWLS sponsors.
Where can we get replays?? I found a few of hokage and rockstar on repdepot but they didn't seem like very good players....Stacking up 1000's in minerals, poor scouting, and mass hydras? I seriously doubt the best players from Cuba could even hope to compete in the foreign community. You could take any decent Korean amateur and he'd destroy all your best players. But it's hard to say without more replays.
These guys are freakin 250+ APM beasts. They just need some coaching about strategy, specific techniques and mechanics, but some serious coaching is needed.
actually my eapm n tvz is 180 and 160 in tvp and tvt here are two reps from this HSL (in which i lost in the ro8, im a noob) and i just used that weird bwrepinfo or something and it showed thos eapms, but i think i could have more or less that eapm
ps: the nicks was just me fucking around. if you guys want any more reps you can ask, this HSL is nearing its end with 4 semifinalist , max.void max.genius max.hokage and o.o_therock
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