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duckhunt
Canada311 Posts
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
He lost 1st courage to the guy who won the whole event. He lost the second courage playing ZvZ, a luckfest. Those two say NOTHING about anything. Nony could've been paired up with the guy he lost to in the finals and same thing would've happened. Koreans didn't go out their way to help him out; not his fault, nor their fault, just 2 different worlds and everyone living the way they're used to live. He went there, he tried, the circumstances were obviously not right. An experience like this is worth having and he'll grow as a person. | ||
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inReacH
Sweden1612 Posts
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zazen
Brazil695 Posts
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
and its pretty clear from all your flaunts that you took good advantage of it if you go to a foreign country (especially a homogeneous one like korea), you should make a herculian effort to learn the language and fit into the society..otherwise, they have all the reason to not incorporate you into their own group...but from my experience, some koreans try to do that anyway overall, my point is that: you haven't said anything flat-out wrong (except for the koreans being insnaely xenophobic), but i have the problem with the way you say it as if it deserves your contempt and scorn, when it's only reasonalbe what the koreans (and the teams) expect and, on a slightly different note, korea has clearly treated you better than you make it out to be on your post | ||
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bellweather
United States404 Posts
On December 29 2009 04:55 Chill wrote: Actually this experience can very quickly teach you a lot about life - specifically who you are, what you want and need, and where you really want to go. Things that are important that you will miss by drifting through normal life like everyone does. You make these stark realizations in moments of change. I don't disagree, but I feel most people can make these realizations without the aid of what rekrul so endearingly labels as "slavery." 80+ hrs a week at an i-bank making pitchbooks as an analyst would surely yield similar results without the requisite travel to Korea/ attempt to win courage/ etc opportunity cost of progaming. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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ilistis
United States828 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
On December 29 2009 06:27 phosphorylation wrote: rekrul, you cannot deny a portion of female Korean population is retardedly favorable to big white males and its pretty clear from all your flaunts that you took good advantage of it if you go to a foreign country (especially a homogeneous one like korea), you should make a herculian effort to learn the language and fit into the society..otherwise, they have all the reason to not incorporate you into their own group...but from my experience, some koreans try to do that anyway overall, my point is that: you haven't said anything flat-out wrong (except for the koreans being insnaely xenophobic), but i have the problem with the way you say it as if it deserves your contempt and scorn, when it's only reasonalbe what the koreans (and the teams) expect and, on a slightly different note, korea has clearly treated you better than you make it out to be on your post i was never talking about myself ever, koreans treat me EXTREMELY well...i am fluent in their language and understand their culture...ive never met a korean who didn't like me i think lol. the part about being treated differently due to weight was merely i feel a slight difference than before, but its still totally fine this post was only directed at progaming teams and ur avg sc nerd dreaming to join one i was not knocking on koreans at all as all cultures in the world have their ups and downs. if you think anywhere in my post suggested that progaming teams deserve my contempt or scorn then you lack reading comprehension. the situation itself, though, does deserve contempt and scorn because it's just far too extreme. but the industry is young, and competition is out of this world fierce so what can you really expect. it is what it is. i honestly don't think the 'korean way' will carry over to sc2 at all. we still don't even know how hard the game will be, but i doubt with all the mbs bullshit it will take even close to the level of mechanics of sc1 (which is why so much practice is required). imo sc2 teams practice environment will be much more creative ones than slave shop ones. atleast the good teams, that is. p.s. as far as the girls go, most korean girls would rather never really talk to a foreign guy, of course there is a decent amount that love the whites, but i don't really get to take advantage of that as i pretty much only go to clubs that are exclusively koreans. but im all about educating the culturally uneducated! | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
I agree on the points of learning the Asian language of the country you are staying at. So many flops occur in professional sport transfers if the player does not adapt to the culture or the language of his new team in a new country. Suck it up and study the damn language, and your teammates and others will be more than impressed with you. Just look at Grrr and how long he has stayed in Korea, he even made guest appearances on those SC casual interview shows. Asians love foreigners that speak their language. It's not really that fucking complicated. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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jyLee
United States350 Posts
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Skeggaba
Korea (South)1556 Posts
Also, this thread is so huge that im not even going to say something about all that has been written here (didnt even read half of it). All i want to say is that i think RET seems to be a great guy, he does alot for the community and for ME - the streaming is awesome, he does all kinds of interviews, and he plays great starcraft. Its wierd actually to be such a fanboy for someone not even that famous, but thats just the case. He wrote in the other thread that he was feeling really down after his performance, and gave some kind of list of his disappointing achievements thus far. And sure, if you to are an A-team player, they are. But if you´re a dutchman that just got to korea and hasnt even played in a proteam, losing to Terror [fou], getting knocked out of courage twice (first time by the winner of the whole thing 2-1, second time 2-1 zvz) is NOT BAD! terror is a great great great player, 2-1 times 2 is SO IMPRESSIVE, even taking games from koreans at this level is amazing. heck, hes not S class (yet)!! ' Well i guess this post is mostly aimed direcly towards ret. Whatever you chose to do, just know that i (and many with me) has enjoyed your journey and streaming and games a tremendous amount, and hope that you continue to do awesome stuff, in korea or at home, in SCI or SCII, and that we the true fans allways will support you. I dont know if this will help at all, but i felt that i had to write something, since im emotionally invested in this whole thing. | ||
Chill
Calgary25963 Posts
On December 29 2009 06:38 InsideTheBox wrote: I don't disagree, but I feel most people can make these realizations without the aid of what rekrul so endearingly labels as "slavery." 80+ hrs a week at an i-bank making pitchbooks as an analyst would surely yield similar results without the requisite travel to Korea/ attempt to win courage/ etc opportunity cost of progaming. Ok. So who are you to judge someone for what they do? You're saying what he is doing has no value and now you agree it has value? So he's following his dream and gaining value, I see zero problems here. | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
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Djin)ftw(
Germany3357 Posts
On December 29 2009 04:01 ret wrote: I definately still believe it can be done in Korea. I don't want to make excuses or anything, but there are guys who won their courage group this past weekend that I have played a lot with online and I had huge winning records on them. (T/P users). And I know other foreigners would do well vs them also. (...)I absolutely hate the fact that I 'failed' however, and it just hurts more to see players worse than you do well. Maybe I should try one more time D: I don't think you can do it with that mindset. I mean, you are 24. That's the age where you should get a feeling about what to do with your life. So what do you want to do with yours? If you _really_ want to be a progamer in starcraft and starcraft 2 or another RTS later on, "Maybe I should try one more time D:" is not enough. If the average b teamer plays 14 hours a day you have to play 15. If the average b teamer has only 20 days off per year, you should only take 19 days off. If the average b teamer thinks playing the same BO/map a hundred times is enough, you should play it 200 times. I mean, lets face it: despite your ridicolous skill, you are competing with people who play computer games/starcraft since they are 10. Do or Do not. There is no try. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Sadly, most everything Rek said about Korean culture is true... ): | ||
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Shuray
Brazil642 Posts
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Scooge
Iceland144 Posts
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errol1001
454 Posts
On December 29 2009 04:52 Sabu113 wrote: meh. The doctor comments have to be trolls. Just one of many examples of ridiculous doctor hours are the 30+ hour shifts they force on residents(the number seems low). That's not talking about the consistently long hours through med school and being on call later in life. 1 more post showing a lack of reading comprehension. Amount of time, inconveniences, effort spent, are all completely irrelevant to a discussion about whether it takes more talent to be a doctor or a progamer. And no, I don't really consider B level progamers in this because they aren't succesful. I consider relevant the number of 'successful' progamers vs the number of successful doctors. And there are probably only a couple dozen people that I would consider to have been successful progamers, whereas there are close to 100000 doctors in korea alone (which, in order to be considered a doctor, you already are successful basically..). Seems to me like the number of people that can really thrive in progaming is a bucket compared to an ocean for doctors. Hell. Complaining about residency paying 50k - already more than all progamers except what.. maybe 15 people right now? I guess this is the problem: I don't consider just getting a progamer license to cut it in terms of being a 'pro gamer', because you don't make a living, you just earn board. Whereas on the other side of the argument, progamer is just progamer, and the bar being used for that is pretty low. Guess I'm done, this is probably more of a misunderstanding than anything else. | ||
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