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dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
December 13 2009 19:32 GMT
#241
Idra Macro SOO BAD
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
December 13 2009 19:46 GMT
#242
On December 14 2009 04:23 Piy wrote:
Idra was angry because he should by rights have won that game. He majorly messed up twice in the late game and got frustrated and rage quitted.

Idra is normally decent manner against Ret. You people are making waaay to much of this. Like you're calling Idra a whining kid when you're all sitting in an internet forum making fun of some teenager who most of you haven't spoken too...


No, a lot of us just generally dislike Idra because despite the fact that he is a very good starcraft player he's terribly bad mannered and just plain arrogant half the time. Because he has fast hands he thinks his shit doesn't stink, so to speak.
U Gotta Skate.
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7291 Posts
December 13 2009 19:48 GMT
#243
On December 14 2009 02:47 Qwertify wrote:
I don't get it. Zerg can't just camp until they get 4 gas.

1. Terrans can stop additional expos, and limit Zerg to 2-3 gas.
2. Swarm doesn't protect buildings so you can siege those. Plus splash will slowly dmg units.
3. Irradiate can take out lurkers under swarm.
4. Firebats can mop up lings under swarm.
5. Zerg are not immune to drops, esp. dropships with dmatrix.
6. Terrans can expand/tech at the same time as Zerg.
7. Camping allows terrans map control with tank, vultures, silos, and mines.


problem is when you are making d ships you arent making vessels which are essential to defending/attacking vs hive. Expansions for terran are also incredibly hard to hold. Basically to defeat hive you have to never lose map control because the minute you do its game over ;\
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
December 13 2009 19:55 GMT
#244
I don't take Idra's bm so seriously, to me he plays it up a little. Takes his natural affinity to be bm and picks it up a little to rile people up. He's the Starcraft equivalent of a "heel" type of person in entertainment wrestling. The heel, the guy you love to hate.
twitter: @terrancem
ZaDeX
Profile Joined May 2009
Venezuela27 Posts
December 13 2009 21:11 GMT
#245
who dosnt love idra bm talk ?

idra gm = no funny T.T
malathion
Profile Joined March 2009
United States361 Posts
December 13 2009 22:59 GMT
#246
On December 14 2009 04:48 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 02:47 Qwertify wrote:
I don't get it. Zerg can't just camp until they get 4 gas.

1. Terrans can stop additional expos, and limit Zerg to 2-3 gas.
2. Swarm doesn't protect buildings so you can siege those. Plus splash will slowly dmg units.
3. Irradiate can take out lurkers under swarm.
4. Firebats can mop up lings under swarm.
5. Zerg are not immune to drops, esp. dropships with dmatrix.
6. Terrans can expand/tech at the same time as Zerg.
7. Camping allows terrans map control with tank, vultures, silos, and mines.


problem is when you are making d ships you arent making vessels which are essential to defending/attacking vs hive. Expansions for terran are also incredibly hard to hold. Basically to defeat hive you have to never lose map control because the minute you do its game over ;\

Lol its hilarious that terrans here are whining about TvZ imbalance
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-13 23:11:38
December 13 2009 23:11 GMT
#247
On December 14 2009 04:48 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 02:47 Qwertify wrote:
I don't get it. Zerg can't just camp until they get 4 gas.

1. Terrans can stop additional expos, and limit Zerg to 2-3 gas.
2. Swarm doesn't protect buildings so you can siege those. Plus splash will slowly dmg units.
3. Irradiate can take out lurkers under swarm.
4. Firebats can mop up lings under swarm.
5. Zerg are not immune to drops, esp. dropships with dmatrix.
6. Terrans can expand/tech at the same time as Zerg.
7. Camping allows terrans map control with tank, vultures, silos, and mines.


problem is when you are making d ships you arent making vessels which are essential to defending/attacking vs hive. Expansions for terran are also incredibly hard to hold. Basically to defeat hive you have to never lose map control because the minute you do its game over ;\


as long as you defend your vessels you don't need to have constant production of additional ones.

vessel+dropship warrs!
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 13 2009 23:39 GMT
#248
its all about skill

Idra will never be something big

partly due to korean pro gaming being so highly evolved compared back to Giyom times
partly due to not being able to accept a lose and always searching stupid excuses..

hatred outlives the hateful
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
December 14 2009 21:19 GMT
#249
On December 14 2009 03:59 Mobius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2009 18:16 HeavOnEarth wrote:
On December 13 2009 09:08 Frits wrote:
On December 13 2009 08:57 niteReloaded wrote:
If idra is serious in what he says, I'm not so sure he's progamer level metagame-wise.


explain

I think it's pretty irrelevant, besides, blaming your loss on something out of your control is an effective coping strategy, even if it makes you look stupid.

imo any games after then 10 minute mark favor the better player
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/290667/1x1.html

therefore, it wasnt completely out of his control
so wouldn't pretending it was just hurt him later on?

Any game favors the better player...

do you play starcraft? obv i meant any disadvantage he could have had , after the 10 min mark is probably nothing substantial, stop taking my post out of context
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YoungModerN
Profile Joined April 2009
Brazil389 Posts
December 14 2009 21:25 GMT
#250
On December 14 2009 08:39 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
its all about skill

Idra will never be something big

partly due to korean pro gaming being so highly evolved compared back to Giyom times
partly due to not being able to accept a lose and always searching stupid excuses..



You said everything.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
December 14 2009 21:45 GMT
#251
On December 14 2009 08:39 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
its all about skill

Idra will never be something big

partly due to korean pro gaming being so highly evolved compared back to Giyom times
partly due to not being able to accept a lose and always searching stupid excuses..



Yet he makes more money than most of the progamers. Say he wins this 10k dollars. Add this with that ~7k he already made this year.

I'd say it's quite a good salary for playing a game and talking shit to whoever you want, cuz you had the opportunity and time to benefit from a professional enviroment, while others did not.
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RemYnisce
Profile Joined December 2009
United States24 Posts
December 14 2009 21:55 GMT
#252
Someone should definitely post a replay link or a recorded link of this when they find out! I'd love to watch this. ;D
If I were in World War 2 theyd call me spitfire.
n3m0
Profile Joined January 2007
Portugal247 Posts
December 14 2009 21:57 GMT
#253
he might be really good now but he has to realize sooner or later that he's not the best and he will lose many games.
Former WGT Clan League Admin - Former Portugal A team manager - Former member of MgZ) / iG. / LRM) - Starcraft Broodwar
hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1156 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-14 22:02:23
December 14 2009 22:01 GMT
#254
On December 14 2009 08:39 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
its all about skill

Idra will never be something big

partly due to korean pro gaming being so highly evolved compared back to Giyom times
partly due to not being able to accept a lose and always searching stupid excuses..



this, and
partly due to him being a non-creative robotic player. It gets him no where.

On December 15 2009 06:45 Geo.Rion wrote:

Yet he makes more money than most of the progamers. Say he wins this 10k dollars. Add this with that ~7k he already made this year.

I'd say it's quite a good salary for playing a game and talking shit to whoever you want, cuz you had the opportunity and time to benefit from a professional enviroment, while others did not.


Labor job in US makes much more than 10k. If you argue that he goes to Korea cause playing sc is fun and being a progamer is his dream, then absolutely fine. But if you argue he's making good money, that's really really really sad.
FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
December 15 2009 09:46 GMT
#255
If anyone his age is making under $40,000-45,000 in the U.S., they did something wrong with their life. I don't put a large emphasis on monetary gain in life, but it is required in order to obtain the life I desire, so I deal with it. Is he doing better than the people playing 5-10 hours a day, making no money? Yeah. But is he a mega pasty with a chip on his shoulder? Yeah, he is. I don't mind his attitude; I find it hilarious. Regardless, he is still completely delusional.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
December 15 2009 09:55 GMT
#256
On December 14 2009 04:55 GogoKodo wrote:
I don't take Idra's bm so seriously, to me he plays it up a little. Takes his natural affinity to be bm and picks it up a little to rile people up. He's the Starcraft equivalent of a "heel" type of person in entertainment wrestling. The heel, the guy you love to hate.


Completely agree, lots of people here are getting way too worked up. Just because idra gets a bit angry when he loses and is slightly BM doesn't mean that he's a complete asshole and can't accept a loss and will never amount to anything. Did FBH and oov ever amount to anything? They sure fucking did.
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
December 15 2009 10:00 GMT
#257
On December 15 2009 07:01 hixhix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 08:39 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
its all about skill

Idra will never be something big

partly due to korean pro gaming being so highly evolved compared back to Giyom times
partly due to not being able to accept a lose and always searching stupid excuses..



this, and
partly due to him being a non-creative robotic player. It gets him no where.

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2009 06:45 Geo.Rion wrote:

Yet he makes more money than most of the progamers. Say he wins this 10k dollars. Add this with that ~7k he already made this year.

I'd say it's quite a good salary for playing a game and talking shit to whoever you want, cuz you had the opportunity and time to benefit from a professional enviroment, while others did not.


Labor job in US makes much more than 10k. If you argue that he goes to Korea cause playing sc is fun and being a progamer is his dream, then absolutely fine. But if you argue he's making good money, that's really really really sad.


correct me if im wrong but $17,000 in a year cannot be that bad for a young adult in south korea? whom is already provided for with food and housing? yah...he's certainly making more money than by working at publix lol
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
December 15 2009 10:02 GMT
#258
On December 15 2009 18:46 RANDOMCL wrote:
If anyone his age is making under $40,000-45,000 in the U.S., they did something wrong with their life. I don't put a large emphasis on monetary gain in life, but it is required in order to obtain the life I desire, so I deal with it. Is he doing better than the people playing 5-10 hours a day, making no money? Yeah. But is he a mega pasty with a chip on his shoulder? Yeah, he is. I don't mind his attitude; I find it hilarious. Regardless, he is still completely delusional.


dude. he is 19. and he is not living in the US. -_-
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-15 10:04:52
December 15 2009 10:03 GMT
#259
On December 15 2009 07:01 hixhix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2009 08:39 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
its all about skill

Idra will never be something big

partly due to korean pro gaming being so highly evolved compared back to Giyom times
partly due to not being able to accept a lose and always searching stupid excuses..



this, and
partly due to him being a non-creative robotic player. It gets him no where.

Show nested quote +
On December 15 2009 06:45 Geo.Rion wrote:

Yet he makes more money than most of the progamers. Say he wins this 10k dollars. Add this with that ~7k he already made this year.

I'd say it's quite a good salary for playing a game and talking shit to whoever you want, cuz you had the opportunity and time to benefit from a professional enviroment, while others did not.


Labor job in US makes much more than 10k. If you argue that he goes to Korea cause playing sc is fun and being a progamer is his dream, then absolutely fine. But if you argue he's making good money, that's really really really sad.


I'd say 17k for a year is good, even in the US, if you take into account that you're job is your hobby. And my point was that even though there are a ton of progamers better than him, he still earns more than them, or those foreginers who spend almost that much time, but in a less competitive enviroment (even though they might be more "talented" meaning they were better when they had the same conditions.)
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
eborp
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States266 Posts
December 15 2009 16:01 GMT
#260
Room and board is free. And I don't think he pays taxes.
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